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What Is The 4% Rule? How Much Money Do I Need To Retire? 

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In this video, I want to explain the 4% rule. This is also known as the Safe Withdrawal Rate - or basically the rate at which you can spend your money without ever running out of money.
An easy way to calculate what this means for you - and how much money you’ll need to retire is by flipping it around and multiplying your yearly expenses by 25.
For example, if you and your family spend $40,000 per year, you’ll need to have 1,000,000 invested to not run out of money.
There must be some limit to how long you can withdraw 4% and still have money left over, right? The study that explains the 4% rule is called the Trinity Study, and it looked at how much money you’d need to retire for every year between 1926 and 2009.
The study found that if you invest 50% of your money in stocks and 50% of your money in bonds, withdrawing 4% of your money will be fine for 25 years, 100% of the time. Doing it for 30 years - you’ll still have money left over 96% of the time. only if you retired in a very unlucky year and never made any money after retirement including pensions or social security - the 4% rule didn’t work.
So to make sure we’re all clear - the 4% rule isn’t 100% foolproof. But those odds are pretty darn good - and even while I hope to retire from regular work longer than 30 years - i know I’ll continue to make money doing things i love which will make sure that the 4% rule does succeed.
For those of you that want to be 100% sure your money will never run out (especially for those of you who plan to retire longer than 30 years), use the 3% rule and only withdraw 3% of your investments per year.
Let’s get back to the 4% rule and dive a little deeper.
As many of you are probably asking, why is 4% the safe number and not 10% or 2%.
Very simply, investing money will pay you dividends and increase in value at an average rate of 7% per year. On average inflation is about 3%, basically decreasing the actual value of the money you have. Combine those two numbers, and you’re a 4% - your net income will increase by 4% each year. And if you spend that 4% without going over, you’ll end the year with the same amount that you’ve started… in perpetuity.
Okay okay - i know a lot of you say this is crazy - what about the recession - you can’t predict stocks - and lots more thoughts.
But let’s look at those numbers even deeper.
Since 1900… over one hundred years ago, the average return per year has been 7% including reinvested dividends (meaning you reinvest the dividends - or the money the companies pay your for investing - into your investment).
For inflation - since 1913 - over one hundred years ago, the average yearly inflation is 3.22%
Even through the great depression, world wars, crazy years of inflation, more wars, and the great recession the average return rate has been 7% and inflation has been just over 3%
What does this tell us? It tells us that investing is more about being patient and investing early rather than trying to time the market.
Now this doesn’t mean that it can’t change. Investing is a risk. That’s why you do it and make money from it. But world war iii could happen. another even greater depression could happen. and we have to be prepared for something like that. because if you retired with 1,000,000 in 2007, assuming you’d be able to spend 4% of your net worth per year, you were in for a surprise - which might mean going back to work for a few years and waiting out the recession. hopefully, if you did that… and left your investments in the stock and bond market, you would be in good shape.
The key takeaway is that throughout the history of modern america - you’ll be fine to retire using the 4% rule. So calculate your yearly expenses… include some emergency padding… and start investing to get to that goal of 25 times your expenses.
Let me know if you have any questions or comments below! Is this crazy? Or am I onto something?
Again, thank you to mr money mustache and the mad feintist for the inspiration!
Cheers,
Phil
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@Aziz__0
@Aziz__0 Год назад
Planning retirement has never been this confusing! First SVB, then Signature bank and now First republic, these are all the signs of yet another 2008 market crash and recession 2.0, so my question is do I still save in the United States dollar, or could this be a good time to buy stocks? So I’m left wondering what 2023 has in store for us investors, I’ve been sitting on over $745K equity from a home sale and I’m not sure where to go from here,
@devereauxjnr
@devereauxjnr Год назад
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@Riggsnic_co
@Riggsnic_co 4 месяца назад
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@Syndiewndell
@Syndiewndell 4 месяца назад
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@martingiavarini 4 месяца назад
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@DavidMiller-du9dy
@DavidMiller-du9dy 2 года назад
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@kelvinjohnson3906
@kelvinjohnson3906 2 года назад
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@noelstout3056 2 года назад
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@AdityaWibisana
@AdityaWibisana Год назад
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@LivingOverseasTV
@LivingOverseasTV 6 лет назад
Very good information. I have been living on a budget of $1,200 per month including health care and traveling the world. I think this may be a good option for some. Ecuador and Thailand are both very affordable and my lifestyle, for the most part, is greatly improved. I would love to team up with someone to create some workshops to bring this information to those that are interested.
@haatib42
@haatib42 5 лет назад
Living Overseas TV sounds interesting, should start a blog
@Jvuski
@Jvuski 7 лет назад
I retired this year at age 11
@furtim1
@furtim1 7 лет назад
I retired retroactively from the creation of the universe until about 20 years ago.
@ciacono1
@ciacono1 7 лет назад
J Vuski llp
@simontalbot2507
@simontalbot2507 7 лет назад
LOL
@bevans76
@bevans76 7 лет назад
Scam
@ahadulislam8891
@ahadulislam8891 7 лет назад
J Vuski me too
@sunilj10
@sunilj10 8 лет назад
I retired this year at 40 my childhood dream come true
@VideoSchoolOnline
@VideoSchoolOnline 8 лет назад
That's awesome! Congrats! any tips?
@vikasnarang83
@vikasnarang83 7 лет назад
Sunil J - ya pls share ur exp.8006666130
@trevorthenbafan2848
@trevorthenbafan2848 7 лет назад
Sunil J congrats
@raviputcha
@raviputcha 7 лет назад
Now Sunil J will have to invent more lies just to answer your question. What a pain! Be kind to him folks! Common, who in the hell 'dreams' of retiring? that too in one's childhood, total bullshit!
@sunilj10
@sunilj10 7 лет назад
I did not think it important to respond to your note, since I do not have to prove to anyone. However, I decided to honour the person who is encouraging others. Just because you think it is not possible, does not mean it does not exist or is not true. The biggest part of financial freedom is to stop being greedy - drawing the line, apart from having to create your stand alone cash flow. Btw, all of it is not given to me through generations. I have built my own independent flows, thanks to the almighty for the dream and the opportunities, I got and capitalized on.
@coasteyscoasteys
@coasteyscoasteys 7 лет назад
it's good to plan for the future but don't get addicted to it, at least live a little today. anything can happen, health issue, death,
@andrewnewman2516
@andrewnewman2516 4 года назад
Retired 8 years ago and I've been able to keep my finances in check through investment. i make about $24k a month from my investments in foreign exchange markets(forex). There isn't a particular amount of money needed for retirement
@jovenelpierre2630
@jovenelpierre2630 4 года назад
the income is quite reasonable, it's always safe to earn passively
@gagnonsmith5912
@gagnonsmith5912 4 года назад
Interesting
@andrewnewman2516
@andrewnewman2516 4 года назад
this past months have been the best of my life, with income coming in I don't worry much, my son is grown and has his finance rolling so I make donations to charity as I believe so much in humanity. Making the best of our my retirement days, we all live but once.
@ericwalter4416
@ericwalter4416 4 года назад
I'm fully interested in learning how to trade any suggestions?
@andrewnewman2516
@andrewnewman2516 4 года назад
Yes Andy, i made alot of bad trades at first but coming across an expert trader helped in getting back to winning ways , my expert trader still handle my trades and he's also teaching me how to trade efficiently, i made $6k on my own last week. Having an expert made the work a lot easier for me, their experience and understanding of the market is amazing.
@stangtrax
@stangtrax 6 лет назад
ATTENTION: At 1:07 it says 50/50 stocks and bonds. At 3:07 it is a chart of 100% stocks. Overall I agree and like the video. Each do what you want, but 100% stocks investment, with dollar cost average and a drip for me. I studied the stock chart also going back the 100 years even the great depression. One day I need to make a video of explaining how simple investing really is vs risk and reward. Man I would have liked to know what I know now 20 years ago.
@ariefraiser140
@ariefraiser140 4 года назад
The stock chart isn't saying that you should be 100% into stocks.
@keatonmorgan295
@keatonmorgan295 4 года назад
Good video, am grateful I made an early move toward retirement that has benefited me so much lately.
@forgednotcast612
@forgednotcast612 4 года назад
The Median balance in a 401k at age 65 is only 126,000 dollars which under the 4% rule is $5,040 a year and $420 a month. One Million is a very small segment of American retirees.
@ticnatz
@ticnatz 7 лет назад
I retired this year at 58. I won't even tap into my holdings. I will be reinvesting still, for quite a few years. I live in Europe, get an American pension, and will work just a little bit. I firmly believe in living below your means.....if you can
@aliesneo
@aliesneo 7 лет назад
Fleck can you share where in Europe you live and if you own a home there. if so, how did you acquire the house?
@nykidxxx
@nykidxxx 7 лет назад
Do your research, there's no way you can copy exactly what he does.
@Lexethan2011
@Lexethan2011 7 лет назад
Here's something to strive for. Well done!
@aliesneo
@aliesneo 7 лет назад
i am not interesting in recreating what Fleck has achieved, i simply want to know how he went about purchasing property in Europe and if he used financing from an american institution.
@slamdunk715
@slamdunk715 7 лет назад
He will be living in Europe, but siphoning cash from the USA at the same time?
@bernardmungin5940
@bernardmungin5940 7 месяцев назад
I really enjoyed this post. I am planning my retirement. I really don't want to work till I am 65. I am want to do it earlier.
@taxol2
@taxol2 6 лет назад
There is simpler way if you can afford it. Buy properties where the population is still growing, rent them as income. Keep renting them and hold these properties until you decide to quit being landlord. Maybe at age 75 or so. Sell the properties, invest the proceed in blue chips dividend stocks or bonds. Inflation will incrase your property value till the time you decide to sell them Dividends and bonds coupon will support your monthly living cost.
@andypagakis
@andypagakis 6 лет назад
Good advice, but most people dont really consider real estate investing, If you do it right you can 10% returns and increase in value too like you said
@taxol2
@taxol2 6 лет назад
Andy Pagakis I agree, that is why I said “if you can afford it” and definately not for everyone. Your 1st investment property (which is usually your second property-since your first property is for living) will drain you! But if you keep on doing it right, after the rent income coming in from your several properties, your 4th or 5th property will become very affordable (assuming there is no huge spike or crash in property price in very short time). I am lucky that I have been able to do it. The rent will support my living cost. The capital gains accumulating until my retirement year will be the long term “timed deposit”. Reaching retirement years most of them can be sold and I’ll switch to fixed income papers like blue chip investment stocks and invt grade corp bonds for my living cost.
@stangtrax
@stangtrax 6 лет назад
LMAO I would not want to put up with tenants.
@andypagakis
@andypagakis 6 лет назад
me neither, i factored in property management in my 10%
@taxol2
@taxol2 6 лет назад
stangtrax most of mine are nice people who maintained my houses quite well. Can always screen them before signing the lease agreement
@badass6656
@badass6656 7 лет назад
Shares and Bonds provide cash flow. If you spend less than the cash flow you can spend he income indefinitely. The 7% average return rate occurred when as you mentioned inflation was higher than now. Economic growth was also higher than it is currently. As you mentioned 3%, cash flow will be nearer this figure for most people.
@ThaylorHarmor
@ThaylorHarmor 7 лет назад
My motivation to retire is so I can volunteer more of my time. I can't fathom "relaxing" doing nothing.
@VideoSchoolOnline
@VideoSchoolOnline 7 лет назад
True that!
@coasteyscoasteys
@coasteyscoasteys 7 лет назад
Thaylor Harmor no one ever truly retires. you have to do something in your time or you will go crazy. i see lots of old people looking after gardens in retirement and they obviously enjoy it. so why not find a job doing that in your working days
@briannab5296
@briannab5296 7 лет назад
+coasteys coasteys ... men retire, women never truly get to retire.
@justinofboulder
@justinofboulder 7 лет назад
prefer the term FI (financial independence) to "retirement"........I enjoy work, and like that I can choose what projects I take on......
@MJAli89
@MJAli89 6 лет назад
1) Become debt free 2) Have a years salary saved for emergencies 3) Now work when ever you want to.
@norbertchong3920
@norbertchong3920 5 лет назад
WHO SPENDS $40,000 A YEAR? I spend more like $25,000.
@blackworldtraveler3711
@blackworldtraveler3711 5 лет назад
Norbert Chong Do you mean total expenses or just spending money? My total living expenses is $1500/mo. and currently living on $1k biweekly on a $160k/yr salary. But I have no debt and save/invest quite a bit. So I can actually live on my $2600/mo. pension when I retire next year, But I have the option of extra income of $2k-$6k/mo. tax free from Roth and $1k-$2k from pretax IRA. An emergency fund big enough to pay my total living expenses for the next 15 years. And other taxable savings,investments,passive income for early retirement until I reach 65 years later. So with my total living expenses taken care of an additional $25k/yr. just for spending is more than enough for me.
@TripSeibold
@TripSeibold 7 лет назад
Really liked your video. Great explanation and details on inflation. I'm personally planning on a 3.3% (30x) rule for myself. Great job putting this together and giving a shout out to MMM and Mad Fientist. How close are you to FI?
@justinofboulder
@justinofboulder 7 лет назад
Thanks for the positive comment! My partner just "retired" this year (she's 43), and seeing her do it has me excited to get there.....even though I still enjoy my work. I have about 5-7 years to go according to my figures. Started following MMM about 6 years ago, and while I never felt I could take the concept to the "extremes" he has, slowly I have been changing my ways and building wealth in the process.....
@Zorn101
@Zorn101 8 лет назад
Retired in an unlucky year? What a crock! Here is some good finical advice "Don't retire in an unlucky year!" How do you tell if it is an unlucky year? Sacrifice a chicken and roll the dice!
@blackworldtraveler3711
@blackworldtraveler3711 8 лет назад
I have a floor to my retirement so I can take any year.
@jobe8764
@jobe8764 6 лет назад
An unlucky year would have been 2008 crash. Many elderly stockholders panicked and sold their stocks thinking they were going to zero. Others could not retire and had to keep working after the 2008 crash.
@mar504
@mar504 6 лет назад
If you are planning to retire in the near future you can't be heavily invested in stocks for this exact reason. Or if you are, have an emergency fund to cope with a down market for a few years, stay the course.
@tankyg8231
@tankyg8231 6 лет назад
The Norwegian Government is using this for retirees and healthcare in Norway :P
@bobbytheblade2550
@bobbytheblade2550 7 месяцев назад
4% withdrawal rate is too low for those who retire early and have the means to grow the asset way beyond that. My wife has managed growth in our investment net worth an average of 12% which is crazy good, and we both retired in our 50's. Our withdrawal rate is right at 8% which allows us to index inflation and experience some real growth though slight. And we are prepared for cutting back in hard times. This works well for us, but is everybody going to be able to grow this well in retirement? Most folk should follow a safer, less aggressive route.
@gspeku9173
@gspeku9173 7 лет назад
at 2:45 its not 7%-3%, its 1.07*0.97=1.0379, so 3.79% thats how math works ;)
@ox5090
@ox5090 6 лет назад
S&p averages just under 10% every year with reinvestment.
@tkdcow9911
@tkdcow9911 8 лет назад
Far better than social insecurity.
@VideoSchoolOnline
@VideoSchoolOnline 8 лет назад
+TKD COW haha yep
@BigRed2
@BigRed2 6 лет назад
Video School Online Can’t get rid of obamacare, Social security will always be there because too many “voters” depend on it
@georgealex19
@georgealex19 7 лет назад
Am I the only person in the world who doesn't actually want to retire? Nor does it seem particularly tempting?
@amos1kurtda
@amos1kurtda 6 лет назад
Thanks for that very informative. Ive been investing in the real estate market, done pretty well out of it but looking for something more liquid. Any funds you recommend?
@HeritageWealthPlanning
@HeritageWealthPlanning 6 лет назад
Big fan of Video School Online. This video does an adequate job of discussing the 4% "rule". My only comment though is if you retired in October 2007. By March 2009, you are now taking 6.6% out of your portfolio. This is called sequence of return risk. It gets overlooked A LOT. And in reality when people are faced with it, they have a hard time staying the course. I've seen it over, and over, again. Secondly, the 4% rule was based on an era where the 10 Treasury bonds were paying twice what they are now. With bond rates as they are today, the 4% has been downward adjusted to 3.2%.
@mattkennedy3474
@mattkennedy3474 6 лет назад
I was born retired ::drops mic::
@maximilienbisson159
@maximilienbisson159 7 лет назад
While I think this 4% (or 3%) rule has a lot of logic, this can't be applied directly to everybody. In many countries/territories, you will have to pay taxes on the money you withdraw form your savings. The are a lot of different governemental programs and it probably is different everywhere, but, to continue with your 40000$/year expenses for a family; in order to have 40000$ cash (ready to be spent), the family will have to withdraw more (and in many places a lot more). Sure, as you said, those countries/territories would probably also have retirement plans for their retired people which would provide a certain amount of money troughout the year that you didn't take into account and that will probably counter balance a part of the taxes you'll have to pay, but probably not everything depending on your situation. Basically, I think this video is good to demonstrate that it's not so hard to calculate what you'd really need to retire. Just wanted to clarify that this 4% rule will not apply to everybody everywhere, and that it also doesn't allow for any extra expense unless you have an annual budget for ''extra'' taken into account.
@desscanlon2206
@desscanlon2206 4 года назад
Maximilien Bisson XX
@donaldlyons17
@donaldlyons17 2 года назад
Glad you said it and taxes were not taken out either. Why no one accounts for that makes no sense but normally they don’t.
@RetireCertain
@RetireCertain 7 лет назад
Great video with some very good data to explain the 4% rule. I would add that the increase in your stock investment account would include not only dividends, as you mention, but also capital gains, and both would be left in the account. The magic of compounding can do a lot without much work over many years. Thanks for your thorough video.
@jimgood1949
@jimgood1949 7 лет назад
OK as far as how much, but specifically how do you decide what to take the money from? If stock prices are high and bond prices are low, draw only from securities and leave bonds alone, then vice versa, or always draw a bit from both? That is the complicated question.
@MikeRosehart
@MikeRosehart 6 лет назад
Great video, I enjoyed it, I was thinking of making a very similar video explaining how I retired at 24/25 with the 4% SWR
@angeliacurtis
@angeliacurtis 6 лет назад
What type of acct are u using to invest if it's not a retirement acct like a Roth IRA? I guess I'm confused about the ability to withdraw from ur investment if ur not at least 59 yrs old.
@mar504
@mar504 6 лет назад
You can withdraw principle from your ROTH before 59 without any penalty. You can also look into loopholes to move money from a traditional IRA/401k into your ROTH if your goal is to retire early, just search for "roth conversion ladder" and "roth Rule 72(t)".
@theinfamoussixcylinder3945
@theinfamoussixcylinder3945 7 лет назад
Dude. For shit sake. Layman's terms. Please!!!!!! You lost me 30 seconds into the video.
@VikingZag
@VikingZag 7 лет назад
Why plan for perpetuity? I'm gonna die someday, so why not plan to let the principal come down a little over time? Based on family history, chances are I'll live to mid eighties, so if I plan to run out of money 20 years after that for a 2-decade cushion, I can take out a bit more than 4% without any real worry.
@Sky1
@Sky1 6 лет назад
Mama used to say, "It's just as easy to fall in love with a Rich one!".
@Brutus2834
@Brutus2834 8 лет назад
Thank you for explaining the 4% rule in a simple way to understand. I love personal finance!!!
@VideoSchoolOnline
@VideoSchoolOnline 8 лет назад
+Conilious “Brutus” Neequaye glad you enjoyed this!
@alexli1335
@alexli1335 5 лет назад
If you pay rent each week, then you can't do 4% or if you pay mortgage, you still can't do 4% the majority of people aren't privileged enough to have 1 million net to get their 7% return.
@NoRegertsHere
@NoRegertsHere 4 года назад
There is another advice for getting to $1m. Grant Sebatier and his book Financial Freedom, pod cast of sane name and blog Millennial Money is a good start. Get your cash flow sorted. You can’t cut out everything in your life, so once you’ve cut back your lifestyle creep, then look for money making opportunities to increase your savings rate. He has ideas there. Invest in index funds, like vanguard SP500. No debt required.
@GigasGirus
@GigasGirus 8 лет назад
I'll come back and watch this video once I reach 20 I'm a little too young for this
@antonettego2
@antonettego2 8 лет назад
The earlier you start the higher your return will be
@kieranmaude4259
@kieranmaude4259 8 лет назад
ANTONETTE GO nmpp
@guthannight
@guthannight 7 лет назад
your not to young man get started
@MistrDude
@MistrDude 7 лет назад
Good plan. Your current executable retirement plan is to get educated to pull in a high future income.
@GKS225
@GKS225 7 лет назад
I'm 20 and I regret not starting early, though be advised you should learn more before you make any major decision
@MyWorld-xy7gv
@MyWorld-xy7gv 4 года назад
Very informative.
@londonspade5896
@londonspade5896 7 лет назад
I retired at the start of this year only 7 months after conception, 60 days or so and I'll pop out ready to party.
@DLBcovers
@DLBcovers 6 лет назад
I hope to someday retire before I was born.
@Arbmosal
@Arbmosal 8 лет назад
People should be aware that the 4% rule gives you only a rough estimate. You made this clear in the video but I feel you could have stretched it a bit more. 1. If I spend 25 000 yearly now, 4%-rule says I need 500 000. But if I need 15 years to get to that number Inflation will increase my yearly expenses to over 30 000 so I need around 750 000 to cover the expenses at the time I retire 2. In the trinity study (and this you should totally have mentioned) success was defined to having 1$ or more left. They don't tell us what the average or median left over money was, but what if the average left over money after 30 years was only 100$? It is easily possible to be good for 30 years but fail after 35 or something like that. So one of the most important points you made, was that you have additional income from social security and by doing paid "work". For someone who does not have this additional income the 4% rule can well be to dangerous.
@Seethi_C
@Seethi_C 2 года назад
But the 7% market return is already adjusted for inflation (gross returns are over 10% on average), so it would seem that you could safely withdraw 7%, right?
@tkdcow9911
@tkdcow9911 8 лет назад
Far better than social insecurity.
@Moyodsreds
@Moyodsreds 5 лет назад
In today's world with bonds at 2% I'm not sure the 60/40 rule and 4% withdrawal still holds true? What say you? Unlikely bonds will ever return to their former glory
@ping5580
@ping5580 6 лет назад
7% average over 100 years doesn't mean it'll average 7% over the 30 years during your retirement
@ethelbertt
@ethelbertt 4 года назад
A really good video, retirement it's a crucial point in our lives many forget to plan for.
@situated4
@situated4 4 года назад
“You get up 2.5 million dollars, any idiot in the world knows what to do: you get a house with a 25-year roof, an indestructible Japanese economy car, you put the rest into the system at 3 to 5 percent to pay your taxes and that’s your base, get me? That’s your fortress of solitude. That puts you, for the rest of your life, at a level of “f-you.” Somebody wants you to do something, “f-you.” Boss cheeses you off, “f-you.” It’s simple. Own your house, have a couple bucks in the bank and don’t drink.”
@AtheistEve
@AtheistEve 7 лет назад
I retired (by accident) at age 50.
@HD893
@HD893 7 лет назад
Here is the simple rule. Set a permanent monthly withdraw on your check, which will go to an investment account. You are never allowed to touch that account unless you are dying (you are out of luck). Excuses such as I have to go on vacations or weeding or gits are not allowed (You simply don't have money, NEVER treat saving money as normal spending money). You can take it out when you retired or better leave it there for your children (assuming you educate them well). Save money early is the key especially when you are young (resist peer-pressure aka large-scale brainwash).
@sarahbrown9745
@sarahbrown9745 4 года назад
A really good video, am currently retired and I have been able to make extra income from my Investments with a capital investment firm which has good retirement/Investment plans that has helped me remain financially comfortable.
@junsilver650
@junsilver650 2 года назад
Can anyone pls clarify the 4% adjusted for inflation? Is it 4% of your initial nest egg or present value? If your investment drops in value, would you be withdrawing 4% of that reduced investment?
@johembrey3616
@johembrey3616 7 лет назад
Of course the 4% rule will work for 25 years... you've specifically saved 25 years worth! It would work with no returns!
@80teg
@80teg 6 лет назад
No it wouldn't. You're forgetting about inflation.
@allistergraham9448
@allistergraham9448 6 лет назад
No it would not, since you wouldn't be able to afford the same things with inclusion
@omasavior1377
@omasavior1377 7 лет назад
Can't wait until I retire at age 17 #blessed
@ethanwormell4812
@ethanwormell4812 8 лет назад
I was excited to watch this video and then I heard the voice of a 20 year old....How about someone who is retired? Can we get some experience behind these hopes and dreams please?
@VideoSchoolOnline
@VideoSchoolOnline 8 лет назад
+Ethan Wormell I would check out MrMoneyMustache.com, he's what I've based a lot of my knowledge on.
@tillgaller1164
@tillgaller1164 7 лет назад
Sorry, so should I take 4% of my monthly income back or should I invest it? What to invest in?
@MichaelGGarry
@MichaelGGarry 7 лет назад
No, the 4% is the money you would have to live on *after* retirement. You need to save/invest as much as you can until then....
@parkerbohnn
@parkerbohnn 6 лет назад
You overlook things like sickness, the certainty of the biggest stock market crash of all time in the future (100 percent certain) and of course bank bail-ins where the banks simply takes your life savings.
@sheraazaliinamdar1216
@sheraazaliinamdar1216 8 лет назад
hey conlious nice to hear something worthy from u.I m from India where in my native state I want to start up with a concept where all d graduates and post graduates can get skilled themselves with the help of my videos and knowledge where ill make them to get their dream jobs in here how can i start shud i go wid youtube or with my website where they will get daily fresh videos and how i should be getting profits
@Oneofakind123
@Oneofakind123 6 лет назад
What about taxes on the investment gains? I never hear anyone mention that when talking about 4% rule. Should I simply add expected taxes on the yearly spending sum?
@blackworldtraveler3711
@blackworldtraveler3711 6 лет назад
Oneofakind Everyone situation is different. You should be able to figure it out and control your taxes.
@ReeceJCoxy
@ReeceJCoxy 5 лет назад
You say invest in bonds. What type of bonds. What rating status? And in stocks. Do you mean purely in stocks or some in mutual funds or etfs
@kickinkanga7026
@kickinkanga7026 3 года назад
My rule is spend as less as possible in every aspect of my life... Don't buy crap you don't need to try and impress people you don't know...
@mynameisgladiator1933
@mynameisgladiator1933 7 лет назад
Funny. You say you want to help people with retirement issues but you don't understand the basics of interest and compounding.
@nickdejesu2064
@nickdejesu2064 6 лет назад
I believe that your calculations on inflation/rate of return and withdrawals are off. From inflationdata.com/Inflation/Inflation_Rate/Long_Term_Inflation.asp the average inflation rate was 3.22%. The historical return from the stock market ( www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/042415/what-average-annual-return-sp-500.asp ) is 10% before inflation, not 7%. Therefore the calculation should be 10%-3% = 7% withdrawal rate, not 4%.
@NoRegertsHere
@NoRegertsHere 4 года назад
The 4% rule calc is based on 1/2 bonds and 1/2 index, not full index
@Pfhorrest
@Pfhorrest 7 лет назад
who the fuck besides the super rich get to spend multiple decades retired? normal people retiring at normal retirement age with normal lifespans will be lucky to see another decade of life after they retire.
@ginsan8198
@ginsan8198 3 года назад
It doesn't answer how long the money would last, tho. Where is the assumption for how long we could live? 50 years? 70 years? A hundred years? Let's say I anticipate living for 70 more years, how much money would I need to have right now in order to live for that long? Does the 4% rule apply to this? What does the number 25 in your calculation mean? What is this?
@DavidEVogel
@DavidEVogel 3 года назад
The principle is never touched. Doesn't matter how long you live.
@robbieb2011
@robbieb2011 5 лет назад
It's simple and makes sense. He's basically telling you just to take out the interest. However the devil is in the details. Do you take the 4% from the bonds or stocks? Also bonds can be more risky than stocks in inflationary markets. I'm also assuming when he says stocks he means index ETF or index mutual funds to diversify the equity portfolio.
@blackworldtraveler3711
@blackworldtraveler3711 5 лет назад
Robbie B I don't do any of that and always based everything on my total living expenses which is currently under $1500/mo. for my primary home. Have no debt. My fixed income from pension is $2600/mo.. Social security will be around $3k/mo. at FRA. Emergency fund is equal to 15 years of current total living expenses. And more than enough regular savings and qualified dividend to pull from during early retirement if needed. I'm retiring next year and just set things up for dividend and interest income with no need for withdrawal. I have the options of $2k-$6k a month tax free from Roth and/or $1k-$2k/mo. from pretax.
@westerntui
@westerntui 6 лет назад
if you are only earning 7% average per year on your investments, your not very good at investing lol. its easy to average 13-14%
@DevonWayne
@DevonWayne 7 лет назад
So basically if you have $20k a year lifestyle and want to live the next 25+ years in that lifestyle (think: beach town) then you only need 25x your income or $500,000. Then start to wrap your head around what $500,000 is. If you do sales or commissions, and make $100 commission per sale ($1,000 item on eBay or Shopify or Amazon, take home $100 profit) then you need to make 5,000 sales. If you sell the item(s) 1x a day, it will take you over 13 years to make $500,000. If you automate and make it a business, not a one man show, let's say 3x items a day. That's Going to be over 4 years. If you automate the customer service, the item uploads, the returns, and focus only on getting quality lead items and quality control, maybe you can sell 5 items a day. 5 items a day would be 3 years. You could retire in 3 years, with eCommerce. You just need to run the numbers. That's all it is. Make 1 sale a day. Then scale it up.
@jhonmacraimbanajokora8657
@jhonmacraimbanajokora8657 2 года назад
The dividends and excess cash from the yearly expense being re-invested was not considered !!!
@coltukkor
@coltukkor 3 года назад
So the idea is you live off interest and after 25 years of retirement you still have the same principal going in?
@paulstroie
@paulstroie 7 лет назад
I retired while sperm!
@nachobis
@nachobis 6 лет назад
paulstroie and you are enjoying retirement on your condo....n 🙈
@KPad87
@KPad87 5 лет назад
Lol
@michaeljamie4613
@michaeljamie4613 2 года назад
I’m retiring next month. And I’m a bit nervous on how to keep up with my kids.
@idajakob7863
@idajakob7863 2 года назад
Same here mine is till next year end. I’m the only one taking care of them. Don’t think my pension will be enough.
@brandontgreen6742
@brandontgreen6742 2 года назад
Oh. But you can get your hands into trading and investing in stocks and crypto. One is never to young or too old for that.
@rodriguezmartin9172
@rodriguezmartin9172 2 года назад
@@brandontgreen6742 Please what do you mean by trading??
@brandontgreen6742
@brandontgreen6742 2 года назад
@@rodriguezmartin9172 You can venture in crypto or stock trading … and make money. The good thing is. You only need a broker who will help you out. I’m into that and I make good money too.
@brandontgreen6742
@brandontgreen6742 2 года назад
Crypto trading is investment and trading of digital currencies that can earn you good profit if you are properly guided on it, I’d recommend a broker Ms Delia Luna, she mentors me too.
@TheShowThatSUX
@TheShowThatSUX 7 лет назад
What concerns me about this logix is how things are changing: Yes 1913 to 2016 inflation = average 3.27% And yes 1913 to now = average market ROR 6.XX% But 2 problems with this model: 1) current rate to date average ROR is 5.47%, and depending how you do it weighted averages can be as low as 4.27%. 2) more recent inflation (1974 to now) averages out closer to 4.11% and no longer includes things like food and fuel so in practice is more. Those 2 numbers are far to close to one another for my liking.
@DavidGarcia-kw4sf
@DavidGarcia-kw4sf 3 года назад
You have to have a pretty low set of expectations to assume you will never make more than 4% a year on your investments. Even the S&P, not a super exciting standard, has earned 14.5% this year alone.
@ABC-ip6jq
@ABC-ip6jq 3 года назад
You probably know that wasnt a normal year. 7% and 3% interest is a ”safe-ish” number. You want to minimize the risk that you have to go back to work with no work experience the last 10 years
@godspeed7717
@godspeed7717 3 года назад
Lol, when the Inflation rate in my country is 8%.😔
@DrugzRKoool
@DrugzRKoool 8 лет назад
50% in stocks and 50% in bonds is foolish, you should never invest more than 20% of your money in one thing. Investing is a risk but it is more risky to stay forever in a job that you hate and think that the government will look after you. Times have changed.
@VideoSchoolOnline
@VideoSchoolOnline 8 лет назад
+DrugzRKoool great point! This is just what the Trinity Study based it's finding on.
@AbuDhabiDude
@AbuDhabiDude 7 лет назад
Don't forget that you can diversify within the categories of "stocks" and "bonds". 50% spread between 15 different company stocks in different sectors and 50% in various types of government and corporate bonds is actually quite diverse. Even a simple index tracker is very diverse as you are actually invested in anything from 30 to 500 companies.
@Mylada
@Mylada 7 лет назад
DrugzRKoool The 50% stocks was probably invested in index funds, which is very well diversified.
@beyondfossil
@beyondfossil 7 лет назад
Two thumbs up!
@Zorn101
@Zorn101 8 лет назад
Your inflation numbers are wrong. When you account for harmonic adjustment , substitution and the fact that food and fuel are not included in the real rate of inflation.
@ementormike
@ementormike 7 лет назад
Zorn101 so, what do you think the historical average rate of inflation is then, if you think these items you mentioned should go into the calculation? Do you know why the items you mentioned, if they are actually excluded, are excluded by those that calculate the inflation rate?
@pssst3
@pssst3 7 лет назад
Historical rate of inflation? Inflation is dynamic and now varies so erratically that moving average over decade moves erratically. The government's published figures have as much relationship to reality as the unemployment rate. The total value of the monetary supply is meaningless when the government can print as much as it wants, whenever it wants and can charge whatever it wants to loan it to banks. The true rate of inflation is determined average desire for consumption, and actual productivity, not monetary supply, GDP or any other econometric. The fake one looks at the cost of a standardized selection of things, year after year. It doesn't matter what a 1970's standard basket of goods costs if everyone now wants to fill theirs with champagne and caviar, smartphones and 4K 40" TV sets, and "earns"their livings sitting on both fictitious. their butts clicking computer mice. The "value" of goods produced and the dollars spent to produce them are fictitious numbers with no objective reality, not even in hours of "labor".
@Timrath
@Timrath 7 лет назад
Meanwhile, here in Europe, you'll be lucky to get 0.2% per year out of bonds, at 2% inflation. And if that weren't bad enough, you have to pay a flat 25% tax on passive income, even if you made a net loss.
@MichaelGGarry
@MichaelGGarry 7 лет назад
Where in "Europe" do you have to pay that 25%? Every country has different taxation laws.
@Timrath
@Timrath 7 лет назад
Austria.
@sctony7116
@sctony7116 5 лет назад
I invest in BOTH stock maxout 401K and RE. RE beats stock market by landslide. Most ppl have no choice to buy rental properties with the lack of capital. It's no brainer if u got big chunk of money. There are tons MORE millionaire with RE than stock. There are tons MORE ppl broke by playing stock though. But there's not a single broke person investing in RE because RE is tangible it is REAL unlike stock that can crush -50% How can you rely on ur retirement income so fragile such as stock market? u retire 2008, ur 4% became 20K/yr instead 40K. No one can survive on 20K, so u take out 20K from 1M account now ur principle worth less. If bad yrs continue in stock market, u'll gonna withdraw even more, that will shrink ur fund more n more, the return will be less, so u withdraw more to make ends meet. Vicious cycle continues until all funds dried out in 401K. Its such shitty investment vehicle for retirement. I am experienced landlord at age 38. I don't rent out some punk, i got my own screening method to filter out bad tenants. My 500K condo rents out for 2K/m. Thats almost 5% return. Exclude ppty tax, condo fees etc I still come out 4%. And my condo will NEVER NEVER drops to 50% loss like stock market does. My goal is to have another 500K rental properties. All 1M in real estate investment excl. my own home. Then I am set for life I will retire by then. Remember the 1st rule of investment is to keep ur original investment intact. It's not about making money. U'll learn this if u have invested long enough. Preserving the Capital is the rule #1. But stock market already fails at rule #1
@thisisacrappyusername892
@thisisacrappyusername892 5 лет назад
Average investment rate-average inflation rate= personal networth
@deltaxcd
@deltaxcd 7 лет назад
This is not going to work this time We are entering super recession which will last forever and it will actually end capitalism itself. Current PE ratio is extremely low so buying stock for dividends is totally pointless. you will be extremely lucky if you will manage to retain at least half of your stock value in upcoming recession
@DougSwift
@DougSwift 7 лет назад
Am I incorrect to say that you have not planned to leave any money for your family if you simply follow this rule? I don't want my kids to get nothing when I die, assuming I retire with my preplanned number and I live for another 25 - 30 years?
@VideoSchoolOnline
@VideoSchoolOnline 7 лет назад
+Doug Swift that's definitely true if someone uses the 4% rule and spends the max every year, doesn't make any other sort of income ever again after 'retiring' and the social security system disappears (which it might). But being a little more conservative and using the 3-3.5% rule will leave some, and hopefully I won't never make a penny after retirement with hobbies or a side business. That being said, if you retire in an unlucky year and use the 4% rule, you might not end up with anything left over after 30 years. But for many of the past 100 years, you would have plenty left. But no assumptions
@VideoSchoolOnline
@VideoSchoolOnline 7 лет назад
+Doug Swift also personally, I plan on having a paid off house(s) that would go to the next generation
@Donkeyearsa
@Donkeyearsa 7 лет назад
Right now your lucky to get a 4% return on your investments. Just because decades ago you where looking at a 10% returns that does not mean that you will see such returns now days. At out right the best you should think of spending 2% of your investments so there will almost always be money there in tye future. The 2% also leaves you a good chunk of money if you have some massive expence like a uncovered medical bill or having to do a major repair to your house and so on and so forth.
@alrocky
@alrocky 7 лет назад
Donkeyearsa said: "Right now your lucky to get a 4% return on your investments." A total US stock market fund is up over 9% year to date.
@lylecosmopolite
@lylecosmopolite 7 лет назад
In April of next year, the current business cycle expansion will become the second longest in American history (the record begins in 1854). Also, P/E for the USA market is now 28. House prices along the Atlantic and Pacific coasts are back to where they were in 2006. A recession and asset price crash is coming. But a house price crash makes buying a starter house much more affordable for young adults (who are totally screwed at today's prices). For most of us, a decline in the price of one's house is only a paper loss. Stock prices will decline 30-60%, but should recover within 5 years at most. The questions are: what happens if you lose your job? If your dividend income declines 30% and is the same 5 years from now as it is today? Some people comment below that progress in robotics threatens a lot of jobs requiring little human capital. I agree that first world countries face a future in which 15% of the pre-retirement population will have to be supported by the public purse.
@MM-ts9jy
@MM-ts9jy 8 лет назад
Sorry, I'm not very instructed in this stuff and english isn't really my first languaje, what are bonds exactly?
@angelowillems3933
@angelowillems3933 8 лет назад
It's when you lend money to a corporation, and they pay you interest. It's like a savings account at the bank, but because a company can got bankrupt you get a higher interest rate as compensation for that risk.
@MM-ts9jy
@MM-ts9jy 8 лет назад
Ohh I see, thanks.
@MichaelGGarry
@MichaelGGarry 7 лет назад
Its also a loan to a government, which are less likely to become bankrupt, so pay less interest. Just be careful with bonds from Greece etc :D
@stangtrax
@stangtrax 6 лет назад
BONDS are something you should not invest in. Bonds are something that doesn't preform well compared to S&P 500.
@ehealthy222
@ehealthy222 6 лет назад
at 1:05 you said investing 50% in stocks and 50% in bonds....then you went on to say "Stocks average return is 7%" ----well, that's only 50% of your portfolio? So the total return of your full portfolio would be much less than 7%????? This strategy only works if you're investing 100% of your portfolio in stocks (which I think is actually a better idea because stocks grow more than bonds)......
@satyajh
@satyajh 7 лет назад
+Video School Online Is this calculation based on stats for the US bonds and stock market and the US rate of inflation? In India the inflation rate has fluctuated a lot over the decades so would the 4% rule hold true globally?
@M.G.R...
@M.G.R... 5 лет назад
Investing is one of the best way to retire
@FreeShikshaVideos
@FreeShikshaVideos 7 лет назад
Was difficult to nderstand
@BLUESUNJRPGs
@BLUESUNJRPGs 6 лет назад
was pretty easy to understand... you make 7% in the market... you lose 3% due to inflation, therefore you can spend 4% and break out even
@janefromthecountry1820
@janefromthecountry1820 6 лет назад
Mr Money Mustache and Justin retired millionaire from NC both play it safe and use the 3% rule (very early retires)... Sleep better at night.
@user_abcxyzz
@user_abcxyzz 6 лет назад
if you don't understand this 3rd grade math then you must be in 2nd grade
@ericoutofthegfw
@ericoutofthegfw 6 лет назад
You are living on 4% based on last year's price tho.
@alexvidu4517
@alexvidu4517 6 лет назад
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@Zenas521
@Zenas521 6 лет назад
I like the video, but you failed to talk about how taxes decrease your cash supply. If inflation increases at 3% and taxes are at 4% that comes to 7% of money loss. If the market increases at a rate of 7% then net zero, because 7% - 7% = 0%. That is why investments need to be 8% or better before you make money. Many people make money with investments at 12% or higher.
@pawezielinski7987
@pawezielinski7987 7 лет назад
Big isse with this vid: On what markets (location nad period) and on what investments do you measure 7% growth and 3% inflation? You know that USA, UK, Western Europe and Easter Europe have vastly different numbers for those, right? You know that different financial instruments will give different ror in the same given time? You do count taxes, right?
@twaters57
@twaters57 7 лет назад
This may be true if you are a big spender. If you don't have any huge outstanding debt, most people can get by on their pension and social security. If you get $2,500 from social security and then another $2,500 from pension or 401, that is the equal to about the same as $75,000 a year normal salary since most states don't tax social security and you don't have to pay 15% payroll taxes. Plus you won't be paying into a pension or 401 either. Don't believe you have to have million dollars in the bank to retire.
@gogoleateeste9630
@gogoleateeste9630 7 лет назад
Its a roller coaster, you lose money in 03, lose money in 08 and the only reason you don't lose money in 14 is because the individual mandate to buy health insurance, my scare is are we entering an age in which the only way the market grows is by government intervention? coming 2020 or 2024 what is the government going to push us down our throat to artificially grow the economy again?
@domjervis
@domjervis 7 лет назад
Pretty good video, Sir. Have you ever done one on annual Roth Conversions, the goal of which is to minimize the big, wet bite Uncle Sam takes out of one's IRA starting at age 70 1/2? I'm hoping that by using this strategy, my Required Minimum Distributions will be less than the sum of the Standard Deduction plus the Personal Exemption, resulting in no Federal Income Tax on those RMDs...100% legally.
@welshhibby
@welshhibby 6 лет назад
women are very lucky..they just need to marry a rich man, us men aren't so lucky we have to actually work for a living !
@furyofbongos
@furyofbongos 7 лет назад
For 4% multiply expenses by 25, for 3% multiply expenses by 33.
@jessecastro8453
@jessecastro8453 5 лет назад
I believe investing in real eastate is best for me. I tried investing in retirement funds and stick. Well my 401k was a bust because the guy handling it was stealing so a law suit happened, class action. Now that money is forever locked up in this suit. So now i don't believe in any investment that i can't control. Keep you money in real things not paper.
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