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What is the Deep Meaning of Probability? | Episode 2206 | Closer To Truth 

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Consider three powers of probability: refining data, assessing theories, probing ultimate reality. Watch how these work in cosmology: confidence in precise measurements; assessing competing models; revealing how quantum fluctuations became galactic structures.
Featuring interviews with Ivan Corwin, Licia Verde, ‪@SabineHossenfelder‬, David Wallace, and Aaron Clauset.
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@NothingMaster
@NothingMaster 9 месяцев назад
The deep meaning is that we have no access to absolutely exact predictability or knowledge. In fact, this is a fundamental feature of the Universe itself, and is cemented into the very foundation of the quantum mechanics/world via the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.
@ameralbadry6825
@ameralbadry6825 10 месяцев назад
Thank you Mr Kuhn for the great work. The way you present these topics, the settings and the people you interview reflect how smart and brilliant you are.
@James-ll3jb
@James-ll3jb 9 месяцев назад
Lol. He's a classic pretentious airhead!😅
@James-ll3jb
@James-ll3jb 9 месяцев назад
Lol😅😅😅😅
@genghisthegreat2034
@genghisthegreat2034 9 месяцев назад
He has retained the curiosity of a child who takes a screwdriver to an old clock, and it's wonderful to be a beneficiary of it. 😊
@Metaphile
@Metaphile 9 месяцев назад
Sabine is my hero. Love her stuff!!
@marcv2648
@marcv2648 9 месяцев назад
She believes the universe is deterministic, not probabilistic.
@JZsBFF
@JZsBFF 9 месяцев назад
She's probably the smartest entertainer in this universe, as entertaining as NGT but smarter.
@Metaphile
@Metaphile 9 месяцев назад
@@marcv2648 if that’s what she believes, it’s probably true! Check out her video debunking the quantum eraser. Everyone else had me believing it was magic, but her explanation is so grounded and clear. I believe PBS Space Time even acknowledged she was correct and revised their own explanation of the experiment.
@primenumberbuster404
@primenumberbuster404 9 месяцев назад
All hail the Science Karen!!!!!
@Will-thon
@Will-thon 9 месяцев назад
Just discovered this channel. This exploration of randomness and probability is excellent.
@CloserToTruthTV
@CloserToTruthTV 8 месяцев назад
We're so happy you found us! 💫
@binbots
@binbots 10 месяцев назад
General relativity and quantum mechanics will never be combined until we realize that they take place at different moments in time. Because causality has a speed limit (c) every point in space where you observe it from will be the closest to the present moment. When we look out into the universe, we see the past which is made of particles (GR). When we try to look at smaller and smaller sizes and distances, we are actually looking closer and closer to the present moment (QM). The wave property of particles appears when we start looking into the future of that particle. It is a probability wave because the future is probabilistic. Wave function collapse happens when we bring a particle into the present/past. GR is making measurements in the predictable past. QM is trying to make measurements of the probabilistic future.
@longcastle4863
@longcastle4863 10 месяцев назад
Interesting.
@innosanto
@innosanto 9 месяцев назад
This channel has been on the background of my watches while watching Lex Fridman, and Huberman , but may be pne of the best channels in youtube.
@TheTroofSayer
@TheTroofSayer 10 месяцев назад
Regarding Robert's reference to the two pillars introduced at the start, at 1:00 - "math as intrinsic and fundamental vs math as extrinsic and descriptive": It is my understanding, as an engineer, that AI is typically based on Bayesian probability algorithms. But there exists another AI in the form of neural nets, implementing the associative learning algorithm first inspired in AH Klopf's book, The Hedonistic Neuron (associative learning in neurons), and further buttressed in the semiotic theory of CS Peirce. Furthermore there has been online chatter, recently, about interpreting the Feynman diagrams in terms of association. If, as this line of thinking suggests, association is fundamental across all levels, then that opens up a new way of interpreting probability distributions in terms of agency theory, applicable to every form of collective, beginning at the subatomic domain. The associative learning algorithm for neural nets can manifest as probabilistically as any Bayesian probability distribution, despite being "purpose" (associative) driven. In this way, consciousness as a synthesis of purpose with randomness is compelling, perhaps averting entropy's inevitable decay into disorder.
@mishmohd
@mishmohd 9 месяцев назад
AI doesn’t necessarily follow Bayesian statistics unless the model used Bayesian methods.
@KittysCat-j7x
@KittysCat-j7x 8 месяцев назад
The AI that’s making headlines right now isn’t based on classical statistics or Bayesian statistics. These are non-parametric models with no deep statistical theory behind them. They work at making predictions but nobody really knows why.
@wmpx34
@wmpx34 10 месяцев назад
It sounds cheesy but I feel lucky to have lived in the same era as Mr. Kuhn and this show
@dadsonworldwide3238
@dadsonworldwide3238 9 месяцев назад
This topic wouldn't be made 20 years ago . As a matter of fact you would get diagnosed for ADHD 30 years ago for telling this to your teachers.
@DistortedV12
@DistortedV12 9 месяцев назад
Right it’s giving Carl Sagan
@stephenadams2397
@stephenadams2397 9 месяцев назад
what are the chances.
@windfoil1000
@windfoil1000 9 месяцев назад
Agreed. I've missed the last couple of weeks or so due to a RU-vid mixup. I suddenly realized something was missing in my daily feed and it was, unmistakably, Mr. Kuhn and his quest for truth. Happily, I've got some catching up to do.
@caiusKeys
@caiusKeys 10 месяцев назад
Chaos? Turbulence? Complexity? Incompleteness? Indeterminacy? Like, the way stuff actually works, not the way we humans want it to work?
@LightVibrationPresenseKindness
@LightVibrationPresenseKindness 8 месяцев назад
Awesome channel!
@reason2463
@reason2463 9 месяцев назад
In every case, we are talking about describing the behavior of systems. Probability math is a descriptor, not the system itself. We live in a random universe, where certain things are more likely to happen than other things.
@Peter-rw1wt
@Peter-rw1wt Месяц назад
When addressing the issue of probability, where do you start ? This is the crucial question, because if you cannot find the beginning, then the probability is that you will come to the wrong conclusion.
@lokiholland
@lokiholland 9 месяцев назад
Nice !
@AfsanaAmerica
@AfsanaAmerica 9 месяцев назад
The probability of human existence is impossible that it seems unnatural but it is natural.
@RavensCloudEmpath
@RavensCloudEmpath 10 месяцев назад
Used to follow Sabine Hossenfelder on Her channel...I was quite surprised when She used a certain manner to speak about Avi Loeb....I expected more gratitude for a fellow Scientist who takes steps and passionate. Nice video...🙏🌻
@festeradams3972
@festeradams3972 10 месяцев назад
Watched a few of Sabine's videos, she's always right, just ask her... has for Avi Loeb, and I'm aware of his opinions on the ET subject, in this case, I think that Avi is going down the rabbit hole...
@RavensCloudEmpath
@RavensCloudEmpath 10 месяцев назад
@@festeradams3972 I would surely be curious about what Avi Loeb did not say but could of...🧐☺️
@k-3402
@k-3402 9 месяцев назад
That's Sabine's schtick, isn't it? Bagging on other scientists and complaining about crap. It got old
@simonhibbs887
@simonhibbs887 9 месяцев назад
@@k-3402 I think it's healthy for science if scientists are honest about their opinions of each other's work. In fact that's the process. The whole point of science is to take a whole lot of chaff and try and find the few grains of wheat in there.
@primenumberbuster404
@primenumberbuster404 9 месяцев назад
​@@k-3402 lmao like a Science Karen. 😂
@DecodingUniverse
@DecodingUniverse 10 месяцев назад
@vinm300
@vinm300 9 месяцев назад
~1735 Voltaire "Of first causes I know nought", says Nature when quizzed by a philosopher
@stephencarlsbad
@stephencarlsbad 9 месяцев назад
@23:51 In other words, "RANDOMNESS IS JUST AN ILLUSION., NOT TIME"
@septopus3516
@septopus3516 10 месяцев назад
Personally, Laplace's daemon makes us think about probabilities as observer-centric. There is no randomness in base reality, there are no uncertainties in reality. Probabilities emerge from a lack of fundamental information. Whether quantum mechanical or relativistic, probabilities exist because of our inherent ignorance, and not because the universe is undecided about an outcome
@simonhibbs887
@simonhibbs887 10 месяцев назад
That’s the idea that outcomes in quantum mechanics are determined by ‘hidden variables’ that deterministically account further a given result, but appear random because we can’t measure them. Recent verifications of Bell’s Theorem has ruled out local hidden variables, but some teams are working on superdeterministic theories that include non-local hidden variables.
@longcastle4863
@longcastle4863 9 месяцев назад
Actually, life, imo, seems full of uncertainty, especially at the smaller intervals. You can have long term goals and require dozens of dozens of decisions to get there.
@justinking5964
@justinking5964 9 месяцев назад
like to play pick 3 game?
@simonhibbs887
@simonhibbs887 9 месяцев назад
@XvonPocalypse >"The universe does not know the future . ?" Is there any reason or evidence to suppose that it does? Can you give an account of what 'the universe' knowing anything means?
@AkiraNakamoto
@AkiraNakamoto 9 месяцев назад
Personally I think Laplace and his followers are wrong. Both Coppenhagen interpretation in physics and Information theory in digital science have shown that probability is a fundamental being of the universe. Let me call it as "PDAS = probability ding an sich" (per Kant's nomenclature). Then I am saying that none of the interviewees really thinks PDAS exists. Most of the commentators also have this negative view on PDAS. I am a computational scientist. The video didn't mention that information and entropy in informational science are defined on probabilities. If you believe the information stored in your computers is a real being, then you have to believe that PDAS is also a real being.
@alexxx4434
@alexxx4434 9 месяцев назад
So, probabilities is an approximation of different outcomes of an inherently deterministic undelying nature? I.e. if the systems at play are just too complex for us to comprehend or calculate we resort to approximations.
@charlesbrown1365
@charlesbrown1365 9 месяцев назад
I’m only interested in math , physics, chemistry ( astronomy ) in how they can improve and protect _human_ life . I’m an anthropology professor and humanist.
@kallianpublico7517
@kallianpublico7517 10 месяцев назад
Great post! Can a probability ever implicate the unknowable?
@djayjp
@djayjp 9 месяцев назад
Probability describes our ignorance of a system.
@e-t-y237
@e-t-y237 9 месяцев назад
Can't the multiverse theory be seen not as actual multiple universes, but as virtual multiple universes each as plucked/transduced/created by the observation from the virtual infinite potentiality of observations (universes)??
@tobyc8668
@tobyc8668 9 месяцев назад
There is zero evidence for other universes. So the biggest misconception about the multiverse is that it’s a bone fide theory that’s been proven. It isn’t-it doesn’t really have a mathematical basis- In the cycle of science it remains at the hypothesis stage .
@djayjp
@djayjp 9 месяцев назад
Probability in QM may only be epistemic, not ontologic.
@W-HealthPianoExercises
@W-HealthPianoExercises 9 месяцев назад
first guest made a bit of a mess trying to give an explanation of the CLT 🥰
@daniel7___
@daniel7___ 9 месяцев назад
I wish Robert didn’t rush the guests, seems impatient for his turn to talk.
@hammerdureason8926
@hammerdureason8926 9 месяцев назад
probability is just the hope/'lie that if one lived up to now ( despite how misersble/happy one may be ) that we may be happy tomorrow ... most humans live improbable lives.
@1SpudderR
@1SpudderR 9 месяцев назад
13:50....? I always mentally enquire what they imply by the “Infinite” Universe.... when set against an “Unlimited” Universe!? In other words what is their distinction between ‘Infinity’ and ‘Unlimited’!? In anything? It seems to be they do not like striking striking a difference between computer ‘Zero’ and ‘One’!?
@erickphilhower7265
@erickphilhower7265 10 месяцев назад
Why did the video go silent when she was explain. Thank you
@longcastle4863
@longcastle4863 10 месяцев назад
The _They…_
@Benson_Bear
@Benson_Bear 9 месяцев назад
Where is David Wallace
@anglewyrm3849
@anglewyrm3849 9 месяцев назад
Probability is a measurement of the future; there is before you know a thing and afterward, a temporal ordering
@websurfer352
@websurfer352 10 месяцев назад
A probability is a metric on the degree of certainty on a certainty!! In other words if you have a 70% probability of getting an outcome A, that means you are 70% certain that you would get an A, meaning you are 70% certain on getting a 100% certainty!! So, probabilities are degrees of certainty on the 100% or absolute certainty of getting an A!!
@mikhilsaju6929
@mikhilsaju6929 10 месяцев назад
But is that 100 on 70 based on assumption or facts?
@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC
@0-by-1_Publishing_LLC 10 месяцев назад
@@mikhilsaju6929 *"But is that 100 on 70 based on assumption or facts?"* ... All probabilities are based on a combination of assumptions and facts.
@simonhibbs887
@simonhibbs887 10 месяцев назад
What you're missing here is the distinction between prior probability and credence. Prior probability is the probability you estimate knowing the mechanism involved, so for example the likelihood of the outcome of a fair die you are about to roll. This is the kind of probability we are most familiar with. Credence is your estimate of the likelihood of an outcome that has already been decided. For example I put a coin in one of two empty boxes and ask you to give your estimate of the chances that the coin is in one box over the other. This could be an entirely deterministic process, maybe I could only reach one of the boxes to put the coin in it so there could be only one box it is in, but you will probably say 50% because you don't know which it is. In this latter case the probability has nothing to do with the actual position of the coin or why it's there, it's purely a statement about your lack of knowledge about its position. People mix up these different kinds of probability all the time, but they are totally distinct.
@niblick616
@niblick616 9 месяцев назад
⁠No its not.
@mesplin3
@mesplin3 9 месяцев назад
@@simonhibbs887 I'm not following your explanation. Couldn't we say the movement of the die is also a deterministic process (no quantum, just deterministic Newtonian forces)? So we just don't know which outcome of the dice will come up?
@demneptune
@demneptune 9 месяцев назад
Probability is fundamental, hence collapse is not found in quantum mechanics. In other words, it does not exist in mathematics, so it cannot exist in mathematical physics.
@maxpower252
@maxpower252 9 месяцев назад
I depends
@cjytispro7349
@cjytispro7349 9 месяцев назад
With a coin has three sides not two
@jamesruscheinski8602
@jamesruscheinski8602 9 месяцев назад
human physical brain develops mathematics that can describe classic and quantum universe?
@Maxwell-mv9rx
@Maxwell-mv9rx 10 месяцев назад
Probability shows reality though determinist evidence . However phich determinist never figure out for instance undertimate particles . Phich reality are unpredictable when probability links with unpredictable true evidence though probability true is nill
@longcastle4863
@longcastle4863 10 месяцев назад
What is phich?
@Maxwell-mv9rx
@Maxwell-mv9rx 10 месяцев назад
@@longcastle4863 phich is model math proceendings that show up How figure out though experiement reality.
@mcpkone
@mcpkone 10 месяцев назад
When we realize there are always endless possibilities for sentient beings who has developed free will, you realize that half of these will lead to a favourable out come, and half to an unfavourable. When we understand cause and effect and superposition, we understand probability according to the Theory of Holistic Perspective.
@mikebasketball11
@mikebasketball11 9 месяцев назад
Hmmm, I do t see how you came to that first realization. Care to elaborate on it at all?
@mcpkone
@mcpkone 9 месяцев назад
@@mikebasketball11 Happy to, for a sentient being which have developed free will, there are an endless amount of options to discover and possibly act on. These range from inaction in every shape and form, to constructive to destructive actions. This is particularly clear when we see actions and thinking processes as interconnected and recursive, rather than isolated events.
@symbolsandsystems
@symbolsandsystems 9 месяцев назад
abstract thinking about an ambient reality
@JZsBFF
@JZsBFF 9 месяцев назад
Our senses clearly have shortcomings but "good enough" is evolution's main motto.
@johnyaxon__
@johnyaxon__ 10 месяцев назад
NOT PROBABILITIES !!! POSSIBILITIES!!!!!!!
@amaliaantonopoulou2644
@amaliaantonopoulou2644 9 месяцев назад
I agree. First you have to see if something is possible and then ask about the probabilities.
@DuaneCowell
@DuaneCowell 9 месяцев назад
There's no probabilities, 1% know it's magic, l just want everyone to realise that it is
@stefane4477
@stefane4477 10 месяцев назад
Nice video, good intention... unfortunately it seems to ignore completely the great video in which you interviewed Tim Palmer. In that video you gave the impression that you had not only read his book "The primacy of doubt" but also understood it. Go back to this interview and you will be much closer to truth.
@kallianpublico7517
@kallianpublico7517 10 месяцев назад
You seem to be making a cogent point. I am interested in what you mean. Please refer to the ideas about "doubt". Is it the same as ignorance or is it specific like uncertainty?
@stefane4477
@stefane4477 10 месяцев назад
@@kallianpublico7517 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7ewNHzi8oZA.html
@Saed-f8n
@Saed-f8n 8 месяцев назад
Sorry your last expert does not have any clear understading of probabilty
@stellarwind1946
@stellarwind1946 10 месяцев назад
Shrodinger said probability was only an approximation of ultimate reality.
@JZsBFF
@JZsBFF 9 месяцев назад
Schrödinger also said something about a cat, but he never actually owned a cat. It was named Fellini.
@CheckmateSurvivor
@CheckmateSurvivor 9 месяцев назад
Probably.
@jacoboribilik3253
@jacoboribilik3253 2 месяца назад
Schrödonger was also famous for sleeping with married wives and having admitted to taking plasure in sharing the bed with someone betraying his husband. What I am hinting at is that he ws a rather dishonest man whose intellectual dishonesty probably spilled over into other areas of his life. I own this book of his "Mind and Matter", an endless ramble of nonsense trying to make him sound smart.
@TheRealTomWendel
@TheRealTomWendel 9 месяцев назад
Excellent presentation! The guests have confronted the problems in probability to an incredible depth. In my experience, it remains extremely difficult to get even intelligent people to see the importance of this topic to our understanding of how everything works. Most people are hopelessly stuck in an absolutist perspective.
@rastrats
@rastrats 9 месяцев назад
Fine. But what IS 'variability', what IS 'randomness'? WHY do 'errors' occur naturally? Why are computer nerds always male, while cosmologists are female?
@serge2k10
@serge2k10 9 месяцев назад
I'm partial to De Finetti's interpretation that probability is subjective and really just a way to delineate the limit of understanding of a system. A coin toss is not really random. It's just a system that we have no predictive knowledge about so our best subjective interpretation is to be entirely agnostic to the outcome.
@MBarberfan4life
@MBarberfan4life 9 месяцев назад
The term 'subjective probability' is ambiguous in the literature. It could refer to the betting behavior of a subject, or it could refer to the evidential relations of a subject.
@jamespower5165
@jamespower5165 9 месяцев назад
​@@MBarberfan4lifeYes, the correct term here is epistemic, meaning that probability is not a feature of the world per se but a feature of the limitations of our knowledge. Thus when we say there's a 40% chance of rain, we are not making a claim about reality but only about the limits of what we know about the possibility of rain(Empirically all that is claimed is that 40% of the times we claim there's a 40% chance of rain, it will in fact rain) Subjective probability is a different matter and has quite a many complications attached to it no matter how it is defined(including behavioral analysis)
@waltdill927
@waltdill927 9 месяцев назад
In the event, nothing probable is. ... Q: Do you stick with your first choice? A: Or maybe you're feeling lucky. Imagine calling "heads" on a single toss, and "staying" or calling "tails" as it falls.
@deguilhemcorinne418
@deguilhemcorinne418 7 месяцев назад
You're probably right...
@kevinconmee1147
@kevinconmee1147 2 месяца назад
If you knew all the outcomes of the coin forever then it would not be 'predictive' knowledge, it would just be knowledge. Is the problem with the world just a matter of lacking knowledge, of needing to expand out limits to knowing? What evidence do you have for that claim?
@JayakrishnanNairOmana
@JayakrishnanNairOmana 10 месяцев назад
The second type (for large numbers, small probability) the distribution is not called Gaussian, it is Poisson.
@ekundayopaul4795
@ekundayopaul4795 9 месяцев назад
Probability is just like a guide that will take you on a tour telling you about everything around but himself.
@mesplin3
@mesplin3 9 месяцев назад
7:00 I thought he was going to go to Vegas when he wanted to observe probability in the wild.
@festeradams3972
@festeradams3972 10 месяцев назад
I'm just waiting for him to have a guest on who enters the room says "42" then leaves.
@kelvincook4246
@kelvincook4246 9 месяцев назад
While that would be funny, and I would laugh out loud. I'm not so sure it would fit with the tone of this often times "serious" channel. Which is why it would be hilarious.
@candybanks8717
@candybanks8717 9 месяцев назад
You're going to have to wait 2,000,000 years😳
@michael-4k4000
@michael-4k4000 9 месяцев назад
42? 42 isn't a prime number! How about 137? 1/137?
@nolanrussell518
@nolanrussell518 9 месяцев назад
No blue. No set. No hike. Just a simple exit. Lol.
@kappaprimus
@kappaprimus 9 месяцев назад
​@@michael-4k4000unless you're being sarcastic, it's a reference from the Hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
@johnkuthe1
@johnkuthe1 3 месяца назад
Some infinites are bigger than others! Consider the set of all counting integers, 0,1,2,3...Now consider the set of ALL integers; -3,-2,-1, 0, 1, 2, 3.... Which set is bigger? AHA! :-)
@infinitygame18
@infinitygame18 9 месяцев назад
Emotions and words are more fundamental than Numbers , so as maths, you need something to apply maths , maths is a intellectual way of seeing reality, but its not all , their are things beyond in Duality than mathematics , probability only works with past data, future start changing as its prediction , but mind show us the illusion of not changing the changes
@Bill..N
@Bill..N 10 месяцев назад
If there were gold ribbons for "BEST of show," this one in THIS topic wins hands down.. Whether right or wrong, I've always thought of probabilities as related in SOME fashion to simple averaging.. When one dwells on the idea of WHY this averaging evolves over time and in the absence of influences from past results... Well, we just escaped the perimeters of science.. Good stuff..
@quantumkath
@quantumkath 10 месяцев назад
Agreed! Closer To Truth has roused my desire to learn more about the fascinating subject of probability.
@James-ll3jb
@James-ll3jb 9 месяцев назад
Indeed.
@harryelise2757
@harryelise2757 9 месяцев назад
You have no clue , I am going to answer every question you have and this Man has. This said absolutely nothing, it's time to know the truth and what is! Man made man, this is a fact, I'm going to explain.
@cmeimgee
@cmeimgee 9 месяцев назад
I've been following the series for a year or so, watching lots of the 10-15 minute interviews that discuss intersections of consciousness, quantum physics, emergence of complexity, etc. and most of them hit me at just the right time with just the right stuff. I'm a statistician and am really excited to start this video here, especially after reading your comment.
@James-ll3jb
@James-ll3jb 9 месяцев назад
@@cmeimgee . You'll need to get beyond the inveterate shallowness of these presentations.
@uberjohn6253
@uberjohn6253 9 месяцев назад
There is no truth; just a random number of infinite possibilities; and we all exist within a probability space. The fact that YOU exist (which you shouldn’t) is the confirmation.
@stephencarlsbad
@stephencarlsbad 9 месяцев назад
Doesnt the multiverse violate the conservastion of energy law of thermodynamics? How can the amount of energy required to make one decision "create and spawn infinite outcomes from the unchosen probabilities?" In other words, the multiverse theory is conflating the concept of "all probabilities from 0% through 100%" with real outcomes of actions and interactions from making 1 choice and placing that energy into that 1 choice aka action and interaction. Probability requires a "choice" to be made. Chosing = a selection. Selecting one particular choice out of 100 choices does not create 99 outcomes. It excludes 99 outcomes in favor of placing the energy into 1 choice aka action and interaction. No other energy exists to create reality out of the 99 other excluded choices, since that energy was only enough to be used to create 1 choice outcome. This is the law of conservation of energy working right before our very eyes. The concept of a multiverse created by the unchosen probabilities that could have existed, is a violation of the laws of thermodynamics.
@karlyohe6379
@karlyohe6379 9 месяцев назад
The dark, beautiful twin of probability is true randomness. Few acknowledge her vitality, but without her, probability is impotent; it is the random selection from the choices of what effect shall arise from a given cause that leads our universe along its arrow of time. The multiverse theory arose from the same refusal to accept randomness that we see in those who believe in a creator.
@notavailable4891
@notavailable4891 9 месяцев назад
I don't get Sabine's argument that having a limited dataset makes it difficult or impossible to determine the probability of some state. Wouldn't that make it easier? For instance determining the probability that our universe exists the way it does given it is the only thing that exists seems reasonable. Determining that if there is an infinite multiverse now seems impossible. In fact, we wouldn't be able to determine the liveliness of anything because every possible state is equally possible except maybe states where we don't exist at all since we do exist. But either way, this would make all knowledge defunct and science impossible as anything other than an exercise in ad hoc reasoning. So to me the opposite of what I think she was saying seems true.
@dadsonworldwide3238
@dadsonworldwide3238 9 месяцев назад
Multi verse is darwins argument structure of given enough time and universe astronomical mathematical odds of a single cell origin arises in this fine tuned life. But this was disproven with multiple different genetic codes. It makes the multi verse a chaldean minded evolutionary primordial soup pagan religion motive. Its refusal to accept the evidence or reform epistemology of self beliefs.
@kathri1006
@kathri1006 9 месяцев назад
The problem is due to the pull of conciousness and attention and neuronal delay in perception, we will never be able to perceive anything in real time. It will always be a model, representational sample , closer and closer to the real thing. Always chasing shadows. Better to understand the mind and conciousness. Then you get it, all these illusions.
@WestOfEarth
@WestOfEarth 9 месяцев назад
What I find fascinating is that chance, probability, luck is such a powerful concept that ancient peoples created gods for it.
@tamiratsolomon4655
@tamiratsolomon4655 8 месяцев назад
I must admit that after many years of work in randomized algorithms, the efficacy of randomness for so many algorithmic problems is absolutely mysterious to me. It is efficient, it works; but why and how is absolutely mysterious. Michael Rabin
@renscience
@renscience 8 месяцев назад
Man is so selfish that it cannot embrace this randomness and has therefore invented creators whose sole purpose is to create us and shepherd us along…poorly I might add.
@arthurwebber-g4l
@arthurwebber-g4l 8 месяцев назад
Nice one.
@patricksullivan4329
@patricksullivan4329 9 месяцев назад
This is making probability way too complicated for most people to understand. It even botched coin-flipping, which is quite an accomplishment. Here's a better explanation: The probability of flipping an evenly weighted coin and getting a head (or a tail) is 50%, or 1 out of 2. Flipping that coin twice and getting heads both times is 25%, or 1 out of 4. You simply multiply the individual probabilities together to get the cumulative probabilities. Flipping a coin ten times and getting ten heads is 00.01% probable. I.e., you aren't using an evenly weighted coin. This reality is something people can use in their daily, ordinary lives. Why introduce quantum physics into it (though I love Sabine).
@iamavolk
@iamavolk 9 месяцев назад
Where did you find "Probability 101" in the description of this video?
@patricksullivan4329
@patricksullivan4329 9 месяцев назад
@@iamavolk The content of the video isn't fair game for comment?
@joemorgese
@joemorgese 9 месяцев назад
The truth is there are only three states of affairs Possibilities Probabilities Certainties
@LJ7000
@LJ7000 9 месяцев назад
I think you need to speak to some specialised Philosophers about probability, not scientists. Scientists are often unaware or misunderstanding of the meaning and metaphysic behind their probability work. There is currently some very interesting work being done on probability in modern philosophy.
@lyricallysupreme
@lyricallysupreme 9 месяцев назад
I understood everything the last guy said except “You gain a lot in terms of tractability”. Wtf does that mean?
@simonhibbs887
@simonhibbs887 9 месяцев назад
We gain a lot in terms of the ability to reason about random processes and their outcomes in useful ways. They become amenable to analysis. The root of tractable is the latin tractare which means 'to handle'.
@fig7047
@fig7047 9 месяцев назад
I will watch this "What is" episode because I am very interested in the topic. However, I suspect that "What is the Matrix?" will always be my favourite "documentary" about the nature of reality!
@justinking5964
@justinking5964 9 месяцев назад
like to play pick 3?
@nyttag7830
@nyttag7830 9 месяцев назад
In my 60 years I have learned that we don't really know anything, but like to believe we do.
@simonhibbs887
@simonhibbs887 9 месяцев назад
If only it had been possible to make any scientific or technological progress over those 60 years (I'm only a few years behind you). Oh well.
@JZsBFF
@JZsBFF 9 месяцев назад
For probabilities there's science, for the rest there's religion.
@followyourbliss973
@followyourbliss973 9 месяцев назад
Pretty trippy! I have a name for the new future math that explains it all...Triptonometry!
@B.S...
@B.S... 10 месяцев назад
What is the relationship between probability and cause? The classical probability of a ball rolling uphill = 0. In quantum mechanics the probability is > 0. Is there a cause? Or is it a fundamental property?
@idegteke
@idegteke 10 месяцев назад
In the quest of discovering the nature, mathematics goes sideways, instead of going forth. Using the knowledge (physics and math) we’ve gained inside our closest vicinity in terms of size ranges between the size of the atoms and the size of our planet will be less and less helpful (or, I’m confident, even valid) when we go to subatomic or intergalactic scales. Anything that contains or is using any kind of constants (c, h, e, pi) is fundamentally bound to our macroscopic reality which is, very obviously, only a subset of reality.
@kathyorourke9273
@kathyorourke9273 10 месяцев назад
I think Sabine’s name is pronounced Sabina.
@apolloforabetterfuture4814
@apolloforabetterfuture4814 9 месяцев назад
RLK is the 🐐
@robotaholic
@robotaholic 9 месяцев назад
Their chairs are awesome
@dr.satishsharma1362
@dr.satishsharma1362 7 месяцев назад
Excellent... ofcourse SabineHossen Felder is the best in all aspects... thanks 🙏❤.
@08wolfeyes
@08wolfeyes 12 дней назад
Something I find interesting about probability is that it can tell you the chance, possibility of something happening but can't tell you when. I guess you could ask, what is the probability of an event happening over a certain amount of time. Then, if the probability is high, ask, what's the probability of it happening today. As time passes and the event hasn't happened, you could calculate the probability of it happening at that point and so on. Over time, the probability should increase, but it still couldn't tell moment the event will happen until it does happen. By that time, you already know the answer anyway. This is kind of why I think when calculating the wave function to determine what state a particle is in is in fact just telling us, while we can calculate the probability of a particle being in one state or another, we can't know until we observe it. Scientists then say that's when the wave function then collapses to 100%. All that says to me is that even though a particle has a specific spin, you will only know the answer once you observe it, which is kind of obvious.
@AkiraNakamoto
@AkiraNakamoto 9 месяцев назад
None of the interviewees is really a probability fundamentalist, i.e., a person who views probability (& in general any mathematical being) as an intrinsic and fundamental being in the universe. Let me call it as "PDAS = probability ding an sich" (per Kant's nomenclature). Then I am saying that none of the interviewees really thinks PDAS exists. In particular, the philosophical physicist Sabine Hossenfelder is a believer of determinism, just like Laplace and Einstein. She regards probability as something God put it there to twist the deterministic reality. I don't think she ever regards probability as an ontological ding an sich.
@jacoboribilik3253
@jacoboribilik3253 2 месяца назад
No one has a clue as to what the physical interpretation of probability is. We just have a technical mathematical formulation that makes up happy: a probability is an element of the interval [0,1] whose preimage is an element of the sigma algebra of events defined on a sample space. That's all we really know and it's something we came up with without asking nature. All ramblings about degrees of belief, limit of relative frequencies, propensities etc is all mumbo jumbo. And the law of large numbers doesn't state that the relative frequency of an event converges to the probability of the event, it just states the probability of that happening converges to one, so all applications of probability rely on the (educated but still not proven) belief that the model reflects reality.
@stephencarlsbad
@stephencarlsbad 9 месяцев назад
@23:51 "a lot of the world is too complicated to really deterministically understand so it's effectively random." THANK YOU!!! Which makes my point: Randomness does NOT exist. Its literally an expression of our lack of understanding of the complexity of the nature of reality. Stop wasting your time thinking about randomness. Its a waste of your time.
@mintakan003
@mintakan003 10 месяцев назад
I like it whenever CTT moves closer to science, than philosophy. (Though the latter can be important in clarifying the meaning of things.). Probability is important esp. in today's trending fields, such as data science, and machine learning ("AI"). Though the mathematical description can be re-applied in a number of areas, including quantum mechanics, which where one can interfere the probability distributions, as actual realities, as interference patterns, through the wave function.
@michael-4k4000
@michael-4k4000 9 месяцев назад
Philosophy is for the birds.... fly, fly, fly away
@waltdill927
@waltdill927 9 месяцев назад
Philosophy seeks only to clarify the general view of a range of "topics' in order to clarify the illusions of collective "reality". If it succeeds, this is because it makes the work of science, as the fashioning of methods for measuring the nature of the World -- probability outcomes, for example -- more likely to be based on true, as opposed to false, premises and/or untested presumptions. Outright rejection of its importance in establishing a valid ontology of what it is we believe we are actually observing, or whether we can ever be asking the right questions regardless of confirmed results, is never a good bet. If we cannot ask one valid question from an infinity of inconceivable answers, then how should we ask one invalid question from an infinity of conceivable answers? Philosophy succeeds when it encourages one conceivable answer from the first infinity, as often as it encourages one inconceivable answer from the second infinity. To recognize that one might benefit from asking the invalid question in the first case, is equivalent to recognizing a similar benefit by asking the right question in the second case, This is how philosophy "works". Master the knowledge lest you worship the science.
@onemediuminmotion
@onemediuminmotion 8 месяцев назад
@ 12:16 "The Deep Meaning" of probability in physics and cosmology is revealed in the the very 'scattershot' algorithm shared by the distribution of the galaxies in the cosmos and of the dandelion's seeds upon the wind -- the 'hope', if you will, that at least one will find purchase sufficient to enable the continuation of the magnificent [hi]story of the sensory self-awareness of existence. In this grand self-story, the mechanism of the map-['on-board' cybernetic "self-in-environment"-model]-maker, and 'his' map(s), cannot be extricated from "the territory" which (s)he endeavors to map. Consciousness is a fundamentally dynamic self-constructing "intelligently self-aware" cybernetic Feedback Loop - which we "humans" had best quickly recognize and appreciate, if we value that title for ourselves and our species.
@ef2000123456789
@ef2000123456789 9 месяцев назад
I love the intro
@davidrandell2224
@davidrandell2224 9 месяцев назад
Strangely these “ truth seekers “ have never googled ‘Final Theory.’ If they had his search/ program/ show would have ended 21 years ago, and a new career choice needed. “The Final Theory: Rethinking Our Scientific Legacy “, Mark McCutcheon
@brindlebriar
@brindlebriar 9 месяцев назад
Probability is just the likelihood that something will happen. That's all. It's EXTREMELY simple. The simplest concept you'll ever come across. There _aren't_ different 'kinds.' It's like these people are doing everything they possibly can to make an extremely simple concept sound mystical and unfathomable and complex. It's bullshit and sophistry. What they're calling 'kinds' of probability are just the probabilities of different things. It's exactly like saying, 'The likeliness that you'll trip over a log and the likeliness that you'll get stung by a bee are different 'kinds of likeliness.' No. The *events* about which one is wondering what their likeliness might be, are different *events.* It's like saying, eating waffles on Monday vs eating waffles on Tuesday are different kinds of eating. No, you just stick the waffles in your mouth hole, chew them up, and swallow them, no matter what day of the week it is. Yes, it's a different day.
@Psalm1101
@Psalm1101 9 месяцев назад
Be nice if biology was E=MC2. Its the entropy effect that makes it impossible to know. She must stop saying many universes but one micrwave background not many
@renscience
@renscience 8 месяцев назад
Self similarity but never absolutely the same driven by Heisenberg, you can have one universality or integratability, but not both. The more you zoom in the big picture gets fuzzy and the more you zoom out the details start missing. Without this mechanism, the universe cannot function. In needs to be re-invented (rejuvenated) locally (virtual particles in a medium, a “soup” called space-time) or it dies.
@michael.forkert
@michael.forkert 9 месяцев назад
_What is a _*_Theoretical Physicists_*_ ? A _*_hypothetical physicist_*_ , who will become a Practical, or Real Physicist in the future?_ _Would you be willing to be my patient, if I presented myself as a _*_Theoretical Surgeon?_* _I tell you what! You should rather not._
@jamesruscheinski8602
@jamesruscheinski8602 9 месяцев назад
might quantum probability be bounded by speed of causation / light squared, as quantum energy is mass multiplied by speed of causation / light squared?
@mas7937
@mas7937 9 месяцев назад
Why when it comes to very complex subjects or topics, the people in charge of explaining it to me have the most fucked up accent that sounds very smart. It reminds me of Albert Einstein when he talks. Fucked accent again but very very smart man.
@rockapedra1130
@rockapedra1130 9 месяцев назад
Probability is a really hard concept for me to grasp. I've studied it to death, so it is not from lack of knowledge. It's the basis of the whole thing that is so poorly grounded. Need some genius to fix the whole mess. It uses words like "usually" or "it would be surprising if" that are nebulous and not very crisp. Hey, it's useful, I use it a lot, but I'm not happy with it.
@BigZ_4i20
@BigZ_4i20 9 месяцев назад
We got mf einstein back from the dead talking to contemporary fellows physicists about state of the art universe curiosity. WILD
@theonehappyorc1235
@theonehappyorc1235 9 месяцев назад
I watched few minutes of your video, you are welcome. Young man, there is no such duality that you described. Both concept are the same, you confuse yourself with dividing it like that.
@jamesruscheinski8602
@jamesruscheinski8602 9 месяцев назад
probability in universal quantum consciousness; and human brain awareness of quantum consciousness as mind describing probability / mathematics?
@aroundandround
@aroundandround 9 месяцев назад
What is the deep meaning of Arabic numerals? Arithmetic? Algebra? Geometry? They are math. Math is a language.
@stephencarlsbad
@stephencarlsbad 9 месяцев назад
If time = 0 then 1/3rd the power of time = 0 for any distribution outcome meaning there is 0 variance in outcomes, making all outcome probabilities completely probablisitc. What this means is that if 0 time aka eternalism is the foundation of the universe then the universe is completely probablisitic and any variation of probability must include a degree of relative time or else there is no probability outcomes beyond 0% or 100%.
@Saed-f8n
@Saed-f8n 9 месяцев назад
The first professor explanation of probability was weak. The second one doesn't know that uncertainty in measurement is not probability.
@pauljack7170
@pauljack7170 9 месяцев назад
the eternal stupid need of humans to find the deep meaning of things ! was Sysiphe happy ? yesterday i spent two hours looking for a special thermometer last time i sow was 2-3 years ago no way to find it resigned i checked the machine. that needs that thermometer .. it was checked 2 days before .... and opening the machine and using a lamp to see inside a dark neck ... there it was !! 😂😱 intuition ? my memory banks has been activated and unconsciously repeated the suggestion to check otherwise with a lamp ? or Spirits suggested me ? each one of us will find the answer according his spiritual view of life !
@DK-tk1nu
@DK-tk1nu 9 месяцев назад
I stopped watching by 10:35. A mathematical / statistical model does not generate anything. It describes something. The universe is not generated by a such model -- it is described by a model.
@jamesruscheinski8602
@jamesruscheinski8602 9 месяцев назад
quantum probability is below 1, and is inverse to classic probability which is above 1?
@YangsterBangs
@YangsterBangs 9 месяцев назад
not so sure if you're getting anywhere closer to the truth by interviewing people; if you want to know more about probability, take a math course, solve problem sets, take an exam with time limits, and explore some open problems.
@matishakabdullah5874
@matishakabdullah5874 10 месяцев назад
Very interesting. Thanks. Many in one and one in many?
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