@@abdulmonam7243I agree. They want to burst out and inflict maximum collateral damage , just like Israhelli military. These people are a disgrace to their Islamic good names
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
قائد اعظم نے کہا تھا ،اپ آزاد ہے مسجدوں میں جانے کے لیے مندروں میں جانے کے لیے اور گرجا گھروں میں جانے کے لیے قائد اعظم نے کبھی نہیں کہا کہ ہم اسلامی قانون نافذ کریں گے ۔وہ بھی ایک سکیولر ریاست چاہتے تھے
@@ishwardevi134 you cant "understand" islam at a state level. Its everyone's personal choice how they want to interpret/understand their religion and how they want to implement it in their life
@@quamrulsiddiqui4225 financial transaction main female witness aadhi hay, so let me ask you this. Ager aik bank kee CEO aurat hay, aur bank ka chapraasi mard hay, tou kia chapraasi kee witness bank kee CEO say ziada valuable hay?? Kia benazir bhutton kee witness bhee financial transaction main half consider kee jaati ho gee??
I am a Muslim and a Pakistani. I want my country to work according to the principles of Islam. But I don't want any policy in my country which encourages discrimination based on religion.
Okay ..good Then What should be the policy of western Christan Country where Pakistani , Indian and Arab Muslims as well as other religion people who lives in ? Such type Hypocratic approach leads the distructuion for human kind.
@@rajivdas2937 being a citizen of Pakistan I just expressed what I want from my country. If majority public of my country wants anything opposite of this, I have not an issue at all. And for western countries, the people living there will decide what they want. I don't have any right to force my opinion on western countries, if they want to run their country with basic principles of their religion, i am not going to oppose them If you accept for western countries what their majority public has decided and you don't want to accept what majority public of Pakistan has decided, congratulations you are a true hypocrite who just want to forcefully impose your thoughts on others 🙂
As an Indian🇮🇳, I feel sad where Pak🇵🇰 is going please don't let Pak be destroyed by these puppets of the west! India is really in suffering from Neo librasim n lgtv😢
@@afia9641 What economy… look at the ground reality of India… so disproportionate . Have you seen the hunger index of India? Where is the worlds biggest Ghetto/ Slum ? India. Indian Sold Out “Godi Media” hides all the negative news.
Both of them have strong arguments in a very logical way but Qaisar Raja is more logical and convincing. I am very happy to see this type of debate in Pakistan and wisely conducted by TCM team. It has definitely opened the doors for number of students/individuals to take part in the discussions on sensitive issues of the faith, religion and all type of "isms"
As paksitani women I dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)
It's ur point of view not mine & also what majority Pakistani wanted & think r Islamic Rules also.If u see in the secular western countriesEurope,America etc discriminate women in many aspects for e.g women married in these western countries r known by her husband name no women independent Individual right While Islam given independent individual right of married women allowed used their Father sur name or old name as such.In work place secular western countries women officer paid lesser amount than male counter part while in Islam women work as officer got paid same equal amount.Islam allowed women she doing work & her earning is own,husband have no right of took earning from her.Witness of women r half in some cases not everycase because of at Arab era of that time majority women r not working women so know how of trades, business info r less known.
@@afia9641 KIndly write the whole ayat for quran which is that let me quote you "Men are the caretakers of women, as men have been provisioned by Allah over women and tasked with supporting them financially. And righteous women are devoutly obedient and, when alone, protective of what Allah has entrusted them with.1 And if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them ˹first˺, ˹if they persist,˺ do not share their beds, ˹but if they still persist,˺ then discipline them ˹gently˺.2 But if they change their ways, do not be unjust to them. Surely Allah is Most High, All-Great." What Allah say first "if you sense ill-conduct from your women, advise them ˹first˺," ..it mean if you think that there is something happening in your back then advice her first after in the second commandment Allah say if they persist,˺ do not share their beds, and in the third commandment Allah say then discipline them ˹gently˺ which mean if she obeys you and ask forgiveness from Allah then be gentle with her and if she not do then it's permissible to beat her...now there are 2 stage before beating her why didn't you quote that like i am just shocked that why didn't you qoute the first two stages
@@wardahali9676 how many years did u live in West to give me this lecture about what rights women have in West and what kind of life they have?? Let me just give u one example. Islam puts a price tag on a woman ( haq meher) money at the time of nikha. A wife is nothing more than a live in maid who can be replaced by another maid anytime. All husband has to do is give her gaq meher money and divorce her. He can have 4 of those maids too. In west, their is no price tag money on a woman. The day she gets married, she automatically owns 50% of the assets husband has. In case if divorce, all the assets are divided equally between husband and wife. This is called EQUAL PARTNERSHIP. Islam main tou aurat ka gher hee nahi. Kyounkay usay kaheen say bhee nikala ja sakta hay
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
Bahi Allah ko Jeans 👖 se kia problem ha. Music dance laughing TV instrument se kia problem ha, Shave karne se kia Jannat nahi milti ... I live in Siberia how I wear pajama above knees I will die in cold. Or yahan 4 month day rehta 😮
Absolutely on spot Mr. Qaiser Ahmed Raja! Need more intellectual debates to give thought of food to general public who are stuck btw modernism and islamic values.
Bhai 26 million Muslims including mufti wajdi sahib prefer living with Jews, Christians and atheists in Europe, USA and Canada,under western,liberal, democratic values then live with Muslims in Muslim countries
@@and_then_I_whispered I can assure you the Christian feels the same way as you do when he reads the Bible and Hindus feel the same when they read their holy books. Just because you get the release of dopamine, serotonin and endorphins from your brain when you pray and read Quran doesn't mean its a universal phenomena.
these discussions need to happen more so that the people can rationally and on an academic level see that Islam is the answer and the way of life to attain true peace in this life and the next.
First of all I appreciate TCM for providing such a stage to debaters in order to present their contradictory ideas in a peaceful setting. Secondly, upload full episodes or entire program in a single episode, so we dont have to wait for their defending sessions & can go with either of them... Bunch of Thanks TCM😇🙌
@@ishwardevi134 yeah, these people want pakistan to turn into afghanistan. There are 100s of secular countries in the world where people follow their religion .. I live in US, people go to mosques/churches, temples etc and practice their religion. Mr Qaisar is wrong when he said in. a secular state, a person will have to act differently when they come out of the mosque.
First of all thanks TCM for arranging this long awaited and thought provoking discourse/ debate. Both sides presented their arguments in a very academic manner but Qaiser Raja sahab's arguments were more logical and concrete.
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
This is a commendable initiative by TCM. Respectful debates play a vital role in addressing important issues. Dr. Mehrub presented compelling arguments, and Dr. Qaiser skillfully defended the perspective that Pakistan was founded on Islamic principles, which resonates with the majority, so it should be upheld.
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
No.. He just appealed to uneducated people and popularism. If you wanna go back to stone age then follow him and give power to the Mullahs.. See where that takes you :) most certainly ull be a second Afghanistan. Unlike Saudi arabia and uae you don't have unlimited oil and slave labor to build your country for you. He doesn't understand basic finance if he's blaming interest for the Pakistani economical crisis. Pakistan borrowed heavily in order to sustain itself while the local production didn't ramp up to meet local demand. You have your insane population increase to thank for that. And now you are crying that it's interest on the billions Pakistan borrowed to feed these people is the problem? You signed a contract and now are crying that you have to pay the money back? That's not how the world works.
@@user-ek5uq6ce2koh you think following quran will lead you to stone age?? If you are a non Muslim than expecting these type of bullshit arguments is common from you guys, but if you are a muslim than you have insulted islam, if you will not ask forgiveness from Allah for this sin if you will not and keep resisting than you are not a Muslim anymore.
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)
@@afia9641 so you basically not want Quran as part of your daily life? so what are you doing in Pakistan come to our beloved India we can exchange the citizenship
@@afia9641 We do not care, if you, the women, want something, then come and fight instead of begging for it. We will see how well you idiots fare. Know your place woman, the only reason you can even bark is not because of your struggle or emancipation but because of the collective weakness of men today, the moment this world order shatters, your will return to your righteous place. Nobody is going to give you your so-called rights, cry about it.
If you're reading this, there is something I want to share. You will find majority of the people agreeing with Raja Sahab in this debate because that's what people want here in Pakistan. And interestingly you will find replies in these comments only. But still, why do we see or hear people against Islam alot? Because they are being supported by the media and the west, just like they support Israel.
Can we normalize early marriage (right after reaching puberty) which is what Islam encourages? Can we normalize the massive age difference between husband and wife (even up to 50 yrs) as it was 1400 yrs ago? Can we normalize polygyny which is a sunnah? If one is gonna condemn these aspects of Islam then they're following their nafs (personal preferences), not Islam. Many aspects including these will never be accepted by today's society, even by the ones who pray 5 all farz prayers, do hijab niqab / have a beard, only share Islamic content on social media, etc. What people truly want is "Progressive Islam" where they follow religion not based on shariah but on their own nafs. They'll pray 5 times a day but at the same time condemn someone who wants to do polygyny and even label him as a perv.
Great great explanation by qaiser Ahmad raja with historical and current scenario . I listened to this man for first time , very impressed and completely agree
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
Mr.raja actually represent the enternal voice of each pakistani So no words in his honor but extremely thanks to Allah almighty for such aknowledgement,bless in this modern tenure the Great Mr.QAISER raja
Tell your teacher that we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)
Which world your talking about.....? Western world is far superior to it's people irrespective of their religion whereas Islamic world which has religion as it's head but no human rights,this can be proved that people risk their lives to go to western world.Look at your own country.
we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)
@@MuhammadAbdullah-io2eu I will fight till my last breath not to have those sharia laws IMPOSED on me. I know only insecure looser so called men (znakay) who want to have power and control over women want sharia law because it made them GOD
@@afia9641 Leave the country and go live in a secular country, they treat women like tissue papers and you know it very well. Property choro shadi bhi nahi miley gi, used, abused and left for another man to use. Men here respectfully take you in marriage, they give you inheritance, they provide for you and your children, meanwhile in a western secular society you’ll get a gora bf who will use you for all kinds of sexual activities, he won’t take you in marriage, he will not provide you since they believe in “equality” and you have to earn your own bread, he won’t give you any of his property, he will leave you if he knows you’re pregnant, he will leave you for another man to be used again when he’s bored of you.
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)
@@afia9641 Islam doesn't allow beating of wife, that's how ill-informed you are about the subject and this exposes your ignorance as well. Also, You are not the only woman in Pakistan ..... So it's just your opinion, so just keep it to yourself. No need to bring this Filth of Secularism and Liberalism in Muslim countries.
Raja Qaiser Sir not only delivered a factual argument, but also assertively put this man in women's clothing in his place with a resounding slap. The facts spoke for themselves, and Raja Qaiser Sir made sure that this individual learned his lesson.
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
Qaiser Ahmad Raja has impactfully advocated for the real purpose of Pakistan's creation, for Islam and for the sacrifices of our martyrs who died for the sole cause of an Islamic Republic of Pakistan. HATS OFF TO YOU SIR....
Such an enriching talk! I swear I feel so fulfilled and content by listening to such a philosophically, intellectually and realistically informed debate! Thank you TCM! This is going to be a trendsetter and will hopefully trigger a cultural/structural change in the nature of debates we usually have in Pakistan!
Anyone cannot measure my level of happiness on this sound discussion but it is not a complete discourse due to limited time. Such types of dialogue are crucial for a democratic culture. Both conversants have strong arguments to prove their perspective
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
Mehrub Moiz in her 10 minutes just explained the state and the relation of citizen with the state so beautifully that can be quoted in any debate vigorously. Awesome!
Honestly,despite everything mehurb arguements were coming from a much more depthful and factually eleborted ground then of Qasir,pakistan has two sides at this point but currently merhub point standa in correct however much controversial the majority conservatives find it
Agreed. There's a big issue with how qaisr is purposefully trying to misrepresent secularism. She is much more well read and intellectually honest when it comes to debates.
Thanks, we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)
26 million Muslims are living in secular democratic countries…will they like if these countries stop being secular…where will Muslims flee for food, shelter and jobs…millions of Pakistanis are fleeing to secular countries to live and raise their families,but in Pakistan they don’t want secularism.haha…hypocrisy at it’s best
Secular’s can’t even decide what a woman is. Their freedom of speech get exposed every now and then, from Vietnam to Iraq Afghanistan and recently Palestine issue where uk home secretary said that “waving a Palestine flag is an act of terrorism” they support mass murders, war crimes and inhumane torcher. Only superiority they got is their economy ,other than that its a collapsing and dying ideology.
Secularism only remains and gets practiced when your coffers are full, the moment your coffers run dry you revert to state imprisonment and barbarity, this has been the case in every civilization for thousands of years and we'd be arrogant to think it'll be any different in this day and age
@@shakaibanwer2174 that's like saying if all the world oceans were to dry the US warships would become useless. They've reached and colonised space,moon and Mars. We're stuck in dreams of conquest of countries and continents. The secular states have conquered the world and beyond. The Islamic states have been stuck in sultanate,takfir,war,leg pulling,backbiting and death especially all the sectarianism. Even the sahih caliphate which according sahih hadith only lasted 30 years. It's been 100+ years since the Goras colonised the subcontinent. They're still extremely strong and within 300 years since the enlightenment this ideology has been so dominant every human being alive has felt its effects. We'r lucky if we get visas. Even the best world level muslim scholars like Dr Zakir Naik,Ahmed Deedat,Mohammad Hijab and our national heroes like Mr Jinnah and Dr Iqbal are the products of secular system. Even Mr Qaiser Raja sahib in the video has grown up in a secular states. Compared to desi liberal agenda he's aon the debate with clear facts.
Commendable initiative by TCM. We need more of such platforms where sensitive and controversial topics are debated with tolerance and respect. Great work!
you people want pakistan to turn into afghanistan.. There are 100s of secular countries in the world where people follow their religion .. I live in US, people go to mosques/churches, temples etc and practice their religion. Mr Qaisar is wrong when he said in a secular state, a person will have to act differently when they come out of the mosque
@@afia9641 So if sharia is nafiz you burgers think we will force hindu and christian in pakistan to accept Islam. Reallyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy😂😂😂😂
@@lmnopq9376 how do u know? First of all , these are my own thoughts, but lets assume for a second i copied them, what difference does it make?? whoever i copied from is representing my thoughts and I am just trying to express how I feel. So use your little energy to focus on the points I have mentioned instead of "copy pasting"
Pakistan should be an Islamic state with equal rights of citizenship without any discrimination on the basis of religion. I believe that all citizens of Pakistan should be treated equally, regardless of their religion.
you people want pakistan to turn into afghanistan.. we Pakistani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)
Mehrub's statement is too scholarly and based on logic and rationality. Mehrub's points are so deep that the opposite even didn't fully understand it haha. Qasir raja be like: Masses are as***. And I am with the masses. Raja sb, the majority can never be right.
How idiotic you have to be to suggest that QAR was on backfoot and didn't respond to Mr Awan's argumentative statement. Wait till you see the full debate. This portion is just the two of them rendering their respective case
How can 98 percent be wrong but 2 percent people who can't even define their sexuality till date are Right?which world are u living,if 98 percent ppl want to live a certain way they have all the right to do so,the only prob is u want k 98 percent islam maang rae hain,yehi kuch sur mangtein tou app khushi khushi bolte k accept kro majority ki demand
@@rahehidayat2755 Problem is not accepting what the majority wants. Point is there shouldn’t be hypocrisy in the name of religion. Your definition of religion and secularism should be the same geographically too. Religion dunya ke har mulk mey hai, but religion ke naam per vote lena, minorities ko by force convert karna, kisi ko bhy kaafir keh kar marna, extrem!sm ko support karna, islamic touch dena, etc etc Ye Ghalat hai. Keep your religion at your home, if you bring it my home, maybe I didn’t feel comfortable. So, keep it personal ! Also, majority cannot be right especially in a rotten society like ours. Mazhab ke naam per jahiliat khoot khoot ke bariii hai koi bhy mazhab ke naam per choran bhej deta hai, and tumhari halat wahi rehty, jaisey hai.
I totally disagree with Raja Qaiser! Secularism doesn’t mean that it is anti religion it means equal opportunities for all religions, it provides a level playing field. State is neutral as far as religion is concerned, States does not have religions people have religions! When you assign a religion to a state then you are creating unjust societies. Constitution of Pakistan openly discriminates with its own citizens! It doesn’t stop here! Then another question arises “who is a Muslim”? Ahmadis are not Muslims! Ahmadis are Muslims! Now this holy war will now continue in Pakistan forever and we will never pay attention to the real issues of the country and will stay backward poor illiterate….. Remember! Only those countries have developed who has kept religion as a personal matter! I agree with Dr Mehrub Moiz Awan!
Secularism isn't anti religion. But its' anti Islam. There are numerous countries which are poorer and worse than Pakistan. But are secular. If secularism is the way to "development" then why haven't they done so?
@@DWAGON1818Islam fail hai Pakistan mai. Dollar army ka tool hai. Secular countries mai ziada stability hai. Aik arab mulk dosre Muslim ko citizenship nahi deta lekin secular countries deti hain. Insaf aur stability ziada secular countries mai hain.
@@pakiedits3629 Why? He himself said it's better to have religion and state going parallel? Shouldnt we respect will of the people there too? Or its share hypocrisy on our hands?
@@abcperson PPL will in which base ? Nagaland Manipur all northeast state annexed with the help of constitution backed democracy they gonna accept hindu rashtra churan? What about Punjab ? ! Kashmir ! ... Tamilians yeh churan accept karenge yeh churan lagta hai tumko ? Chutiye India is United of stated bend by great Indian constitution which is secular that's why it's lasting forever never gonna break 🔥
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
Qaiser grilled opposition very hard, but Mehrub also establish her statement in a good way. We have to respect both the intellectuals and also what a sound to ears verbally,itellactualy but also as a patriotic, of these two beautiful speakers.
TCM your efforts for arranging this discourse is commendable. We need these debates to promote the coexistence of different ideas and beliefs. But your decision to release it into divided parts won't be a good idea, it'll lose our interest and probably we could miss the other parts.
This is going to be big. Eagerly, keeping an eye on it. It would be a great discussion on prevailing intellectual discourses. I request the audience to embrace the difference of opinions and try to unpack the unsaid meanings behind it, rather than indulging in never ending debates.
none of this shit matters....who is right and who is wrong....its jungle here army ka danda apki bund ky andar tak gya hua jo shaid ap sab log bhol rahay hain.....low iq kunts😂😂🤣🤣
@@ishwardevi134 we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)
Insightful and respectful conversation! Dr. Mehrub did well! Disappointed that the highlights for the next part show this discussion to be orienting toward trans exclusion, which is a direct attack on the speaker in my opinion.
Mehrub speaks western bullshit of what west has gone through because of their Christianity but in islam minorities have many rights and protection of their lives and temples is the duty of a islamic sharia state don't compare western shit with our civilization
Thanks @TCM. You never disappoint your audience. ❤ Thank you for your efforts in promoting sensible, factual, informative and logical debate culture in a society where news channels spit misinformation, fallacies, and fake news out.
we paksitani women dont want following islamic laws in paksitan so we want secularism. 1: Men can have multiple sexual partners (by practicing polygamy) 2: Women should be given half the share in inheritance as compare to men 3: Female witness/testimony should be considered half. 4: Women can be divorced anytime and all a man is required to do is give her haq meher money and kick her out of the house regardless of how many years she spent their raising kids. There is no concept of join marital assets in Islam. 5:Custody of kids over 7 should be given to father incase of divorce because a female cant have a role of a guardian 6: An adult female (regardless of her age) needs a male "guardian" all her life and she can NOT make ANY decision without consent of her guardian (either father, husband or brother). Adult men dont have any such restrictions. 7 :Men can have concubines/londis and can sleep with women captured in war 8: Men are incharge over women and have a right to beat their wives (quran 4:34)
