What a crying shame that more people didn't bother to find this information out before the referendum - or even after, including many in our government who seem utterly ignorant of the complexities of international trade.
I have never heard so much bollocks in my life. How come we have dangerous toys from the EU countries and safe toys coming from Asia? How come we have been eating horse meat instead of beef? How come we trade with the whole world without being in a political union? Answer; Its all a load of bollocks. We don't need to pay 20billion to be in a union that spends our money for us and rule our laws.
@@Carl-im9gh 1. Could you name an example of said dangerous european toys? 2. Same reason it happens outside of the eu. People still break laws no matter who makes them. 3. First of the EU is more than just the single market. Secondly nobody ever said you can't trade without a political union. But to trade without tarrifs means that everyone needs to use the same rules so no single country has an unfair advantage. You clearly didn't listen to anything he said. But as you said you don't need to be in the union but you will also lose all advantages it gives you such as free trade with the EU. So stop complaining then that the EU isn't giving you what you are whining about and get on with it.
What did you expect? Most of the UK view EU as nuisance, a reason to make fun off, ridiculed, oppressor and what more. Amplified by your press. You never took it serious.
I do not believe that there should exist an exposition or explanation available anywhere that would be as clear, as substantive, as authoritative, as understandable, as concise and as enlightening. Thanks a lot.
Most of the pro-Brexit arguments are Orwellian in nature: 1. The idea that putting trade barriers between ourselves and our largest trade market, while withdrawing from 50 odd free trade agreements the EU has with the rest of the world, will "boost free trade". 2. The idea that damaging our economy will save us money simply because we no longer pay a much smaller contribution into the EU budget. 3. The idea that we'll have more influence internationally by withdrawing from the key forum that makes international decisions on our continent while alienating most of our closest allies. 4. The idea Brexit will give us more "control" over areas like economic regulation when in reality we'll still have our market heavily influenced by EU regulations that we now no longer have any say over. 5. The idea that the EU are "putting politics above prosperity" when we're the ones voluntarily choosing to inhibit trade simply to win an abstract argument about "sovereignty" and "control". 6. The idea that we must now deny the public any future say on this topic and strictly limit the role of parliament over Brexit to "protect democracy".
I know a few people who trot out the line that they want a trading union, but not a political union. (They tend not to be able to detail what they mean by that.) They all need to watch this to understand why a Single Market inevitably requires some degree of political union.
Because Brexit was all about immigration with the UK wanting to end free movement of people, and you cannot be in the EU or EEA without agreeing to free movement of people.
The UK is stuck in a bind because if it adopts a Norway style model none of the supposed benefits from Brexit (cutting immigration, leaving the customs union and signing mythical free trade agreements with the rest of the world, leaving ECJ jurisdiction, stopping budget payments) will be possible. If it goes for a hard Brexit, however, the situation will be far worse as the UK will effectively be putting trade barriers between itself and its largest market while also dropping out of roughly 50 free trade agreements the EU has with the rest of the world. So it's either accept the case made for Leave was nonsense and try to minimise the damage by following Norway's approach, or incur far more damage while staying true to the soundbites used by Leave campaigners in the referendum. A strong government would swallow their pride and do the former, but we have a weak government that's being pushed into the latter.
Beautifully explanation by Dougan of what the single market really is but I'm struggling to see what the issue is if we leave it in our current state (being that we are currently in perfect alignment). So long as after renouncing our membership of the single market we kept up with all the EU law/regulations with our products and services and such, would that then not make it relatively easy to continue to export UK goods and services to the EU? Am I missing something here?
What you are missing is, that right now the UK has a say when it comes to these regulations and they really transformed some of the big regulations in the past. When the UK is out, it cannot vote or ammend or have a say in these regulations anymore but needs to follow them if they want to have access to the sm.
Phil M Firstly, thanks for weighing in on my Comment Phil. Ok, I get that we would then no longer have the ability to influence these regulations. But I'm struggling to see how that would negatively impact us economically speaking any more than it would if we still had influence over such things? Please forgive my ignorance if I am missing the seemingly obvious here.
He mentioned it in video, achievment of single market is normalization of trade law, that has led to fair competetive enviroment for member states. When there was union of coal and steel and later on with EEC, first 3-4 decades it took several big judgements being made that has been aiming to cut off unfair competition in betwen states aswell in private sector, some of these things would be now even bizzare(i believe there was one about size of chocolate bars), but they were required, in order so that each one state isn´t throwing others under the bus. With that being said, UK is going to return to that very world under the WTO rulles, so there are going to be duties and taxes, aswell as need to adjust to the outside markets which have different regulations, which will require to deregulate internal trade law. This may lead to increase of costs of production, which will lead to further cuts in private sector in order for market to stay competetive with outside world.
DrR1pper In terms of the regulatory Framework, we would no longer have any influence over how it develops, which we do now to reflect the priorities of our national govt and industries; and we would have less advance warning of regulatory changes that are coming into effect.
DrR1pper Good point. We are in perfect alignment. Should be no problem. However with single market you have to have free movement of people. Now that's the problem.
Great Michael- could do with a quickly produced graphic of the key features as you outline them. There has been talk of " the customs union" as though this is a separate and different organisation- what is your view?
Yeah, but 2 button presses on the camera and desk lamp pointed at his face would have helped get his point across without distraction. It's not just the point you make, if you're putting videos online there needs to be a basic level of producti on. His previous videos have been way better shot.
JCB diggers are sold all over the world, if a country said they wanted them blue instead of yellow i assume JCB would accommodate. It is the same with any product, you make it at least or to a higher specification than a country asks for. China manages it. EU is about protectionism.
Switzerland is part of the single market, but not a EU member. It's definitely been the right decision for our economy so far. It would be much harder to export and import anything without access.
Is Switzerland free to negotiate trade deals with non-EU countries? I hear that a key condition of being in the single market means is acceptance of the "4 freedoms" including "freedom of labour movement" (ie no immigration control with regards to EU nationals), pay into the EU budget, accept EU regulations & court judgements, but have no say in determining the EU laws & regulations. Is that correct? What is the benefit of such arrangement? Wouldn't it be better to be in the EU proper then? Why do the Swiss not want to be full EU members?
But according to Wiki & other sources, EU is not the same thing as the Single Market, which also include 4 non-EU members Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway (through European Economic Area), Switzerland (through bilateral treaties.) So it is possible to leave the EU but remain in the Single Market. But the question is why do these 4 countries not simply join the EU - what benefit(s) do they enjoy that they can't inside the EU proper? In other words, what's the point of a Soft Brexit?
What's not mentioned is how most of the regulations that the single market adopts come from GLOBAL organisations such as Codex, UNECE, wto. Does the UK currently have an independent seat at these organisations? Nope. It has a diluted voice as part of the EU. Norway on the other hand does have an independent seat at these institutions as part of the EEA.
No most of the rules don't come from these organisations. And if you're worried about democracy and accountability, then you have a lot more to worry about with bodies run by God knows who than you do with the EU run by the elected governments of 28 countries. You fool.
The UK still has its own voice. UNECE is an international body made up of UN member states. Each European country that accedes to UNECE standards does so as a sovereign nation - it has nothing to do with Europe. Europe just unilaterally applies the same rules as part of the Common Market because it's the easiest thing to do.
Gary Adlen have a read of this fella leavehq.com/blogview.aspx?blogno=25 Or cucumbers if youre struggling www.unece.org/info/media/blog/previous-blogs/cucumbers-blame-the-un.html
haku8645 eeas.europa.eu/delegations/un-geneva/660/eu-geneva_en read through this and you'll see that we do not a have a single voice, we align with the EU. Norway has more of a voice than us.
The problem with the Eurosceptic case is you hear the same five soundbites stated over and over again (all by people, like Michael, who think they're ahead of the curve when actually we've all heard them thousands of times already). The "single market rules don't matter because they all come from international organisations" line is in the standard Eurosceptic playbook whenever anyone makes a sophisticated point about non-tariff barriers and our loss of influence in setting EU regulations following Brexit. It's complete bunkum and has been addressed countless times before.
This is very informative and thaqt all well and good, but the ultimate question is, can we survive or even thrive outside the SM? The UK is a net importer to the tune of ~£18.00 billion. So I assume the importer pays the tariffs, therefore affecting the UK to a higher degree. The issue is complicated by the fact of the "free movement" ultimatum imposed by the EU. Nowhere in the world is this ultimatum part of any trade agreement. Many voted to leave the the Eu based on regaining control over our boarders. It is simply going to be impossible to regain that control and stay in the single market, which does seem absurd considering we are talking about trade, why should that have anything to do with the movement of people. This is going to be such a complex and lengthy process so I feel if there is any way we can survive outside the SM and still see a growth in our economy then we should certainly be looking at that.
DrR1pper Why should products, services and capital move freely but not people? This is not a revenge on the brits the market was designed with this in mind since the beginning.
chamal75 in a broad sense I believe it is. I mean if we want to split hairs we can call it a trading relationship. It is the framework in which business can trade with the eu.
you generally can´t liberalise services without allowing the people providing them to move freely. Imagine lawyers, consultants, pilots, truck drivers etc...
saiga shotgun : I'm sorry, but I disagree. At the moment we have to many migrants. It's all about supply and demand.. At the moment we have too much supply of resources and hence businesses can pick and choose and pay low low wages. Hence we have businesses taking the mic with zero hour contracts, and an influx of migrants living 10 to the house to earn money and send it back to their own country where it is worth more. This means inflation on houses has not kept up with wages. It's a stupid decision by our successive governments to intentionally do this. Copying the Germans. But Germany have skilled In house labour and we do not...what industry do the UK have beyond paper shuffling finance market...which is a closed shop for the elites. At the end of the day no one will be able to afford to buy the houses and cars that are being made.... Look at your high street and see how many have boarded up as nobody is buying .... We can't afford anything...even in the sales.... HMV....MFI... Toys R Us.... Etc.... Every body turning to the Internet to buy as cheep as they can as that's all we can afford... Food banks and charity on the increase..... Flat evictions up.... Benefits being cut to artificially show low low unemployment.... All a fucking joke. "" Like I said it's about supply and demand and that equation has simply swing to fair towards businesses. We need to stop the influx of migrants and get the living wage back up. "" Our university graduates come out with £50+ in the hole and then have to raise cash for a house deposit. Do you think families will be made if a couple do not feel secure in their finances and have there own home? Migrants pop out babies left and right and go on benefit for them, (uk have become a cash cow for migrants) but than they relies they can not Suport them in the UK and go home. The U.K. Is in a shit hole and coming out of the EU and closing the influx of migrants is the only solution. Bankers and business can go overseas if they wish.... It makes no difference to most of us that are lucky to have a job.... We need to employ uk people and sell to uk... Forget about selling out side the uk as it does not benefit the inhabitants of the U.K. Beyond international business profits. As I see it government business Louis's controls our government and direction we are heading....Look at the banking crisis, they all got a free ride...the bloody lot should have all been jailed and the banks taken over by the government. Any normal business that did that shit the directors would be arrested....but no if you are a banker and have loads of lobbying cash. As I see it we have never recovered from the banking crisis and been in a 10 year prolonged depression and know brexit has aggravated it all. The made up government numbers are a joke as they measure every thing differently from before the banking crisis. Some of us know exactly what is glinting on and are awake, I just hope more are waking up, as shown by the brexit referendum.
@@latitudeash I understand your position, but I think you overreact. It is perfectly possible to solve the immigrant issues under the EU rules. I don´t try to persuade you, I´m just saying that the rationale behind your decision is rather weak. In my opinion there have been many mistakes made in your domestic politics that you can´t blame the EU for. For example your zero hour contract. What the heck is it? Can´t you protect your own people from being abused? It´s a pure nonsense not to be seen in continental Europe (and we are in the EU, too). I respect you decision, but don´t tell me the evil EU is the reason for you to leave. BTW I live in a country where there are no migrants at all. We simply don´t accept them (I must admit there was some tension as to this topic)
saiga shotgun 1) zero hour contracts is when tge employer gives you work when it is available, no employee rights and no garentee of work from day to day. 2) eu insist on no boarders and free flow of people from eu country to eu country on top of the economic imigrants that com to the uk via a short eu country stay. They only need 2yrs in any eu country to than move into the uk where the government will provide tax payers benefits
If only EU were about the single market. About trade only. Unfortunately it's not. hence Brexit. Single Market is also about free movement of people in the market. Correct? Brexit is about being able to rule ourselves and not by Luxembourg and Belgium politicians in Brussels.
The point is that the single market is not -- cannot be -- about "trade only". You need a closer sort of relationship to reap benefits of this magnitude in trade.
Great speech, in part The European Single Market works in 2 parts, the first is the easy one and is Tax, one Country places a Tax on another to allow goods into their Country, the second is the badass side of bureaucracy, this is the regulatory one, where countries such as the EU set out [deliberately] a list of requirements that you must comply with before they allow your goods to enter their Market Place, a bit like the boy's only club and preimerly set up to stop imports [goods entering from outside the club] and if you want to see this at it's best, come on over to visit me here in France, where I have lived now for nearly 10yrs and have seen first hand how the French have nearly all but managed to push out and keep out imports away from the French Market Place, including those from other European Countries! The French have developed their market place in to an art with everything going through Paris this keeps every product in check. Next time you are in France check out the shelves either in the Food Supermarkets or DIY Stores, everything, ok 99% is French at French High Prices! Fed up of Brexit, take a break, visit ApartmentsWales.com
@Gaz Smith who claimed "..our influence is watered down by being part of the EU" .... we used to have influence on EU decisions and soon we will have none. That means less influence which means that countries like Poland will have more. That is incontrovertible. Only the twisted mind of a Brexiteer will see it otherwise. As for "..our unemployment figures are the best they have been for 40 years despite so many unemployed coming here from Europe.." that happened WHEN THE UK IS STILL PART OF THE EU! That is a plus for the EU. We won't know about unemployment AFTER leaving the EU for many years.
@Gaz Smith who claimed "Our borrowing is the lowest it has been for almost 10 years".... sheer nonsense! The UK national debt is 1.7 trillion pounds. Nine years ago in 2008 it was just over 0.5 trillion! This has nothing to do with the EU or the Labour government or the conservative government, it is almost all due to the global crash following the US housing loan and derivatives crisis that blew up at the end of the Bush era. If you mean that our year on year borrowing needs has fallen that is due to the world emerging from the worst of that crisis. Any notion that it has something to do with Brexit is pure fantasy on your part.
@Gaz Smith I don't think you even watched the video. You clearly don't get what the Single Market is about. The Single Market is a Thatcherite idea. She embraced fully the idea that we could compete on a fair basis within a common framework. www.margaretthatcher.org/document/107219 It is just bizarre that her devoted followers inside the Tory Party are so devoted to pulling down her single biggest achievement.
Good Evening Michael. I have a question for you in your capacity of "EU law expert". How do you think people like you will adapt to your new toilet cleaning roles after all the Latvians leave the UK? 😆😆😆
Sorry but I found Dougan's explanation very biased to remain in the EU , and the rest of the world using WTO rules and bi lateral agreements somehow are not accounted for . You do not have to be in the EU to trade , Canada is not an EU country nor is South Afrrca , nor is South America , nor is New Zealand, nor is the USA, nor is China , nor are the Arabian countries, nor is Vietnam , Australia, Singapore, Malaysia etc etc, etc, . Turkey has been part of the customs union ( not the single market) for 20 years and have to ask EU permission to leave but they are not part of the EU .
You might want to look at your Atlas and then you'll understand why the countries you mentioned aren't in the EU. You might want to look further into how much they depend on their closest neighbouring countries for the majority of their trade. Singapore for example has a very close relationship with Malaysia, it gets all it's drinking water from there. If Singapore was next to France, it sure as hell would want to be in the EU and would be committing suicide if it tried to leave the EU. There's a reason why we need a close relationship with the EU, and why remaining in the EU is the best deal we can ever get. Also the rest of the world with their deals as you mention have spent decades getting those and tweaking them. What the UK proposes doing is at once, having to completely negotiate with every country on the plant and arrange bi lateral agreements to secure anything tangibly good. All at once. It's unprecedented. And what - what is our winning hand? what is our advance on the planet to get good negotiations? We don't have the oil reserves of Saudi. We don't have the technology and talented hard working engineers of Japan. We don't have the cheap hard working labour force of China. The reason UK has been the 5th largest economy is because we were the gateway into the EU for the rest of the world. And because of the City of London and it's function within the EU. Out of the EU we are a cold rainy island, we can't rely on tourism. We are the most Obese nation in the EU, we can't depend on being a cheap hard working labour force. And those that are smart, engineers etc will be poached out the UK to where the jobs and business move.
Dougan's EU funded one way or another. The claim that the UK needs the EU for its trade & jobs is an empty one. Over 90% of UK economy's not involved in exporting to EU. The USA, not in EU, sells more to the EU than UK does. Without paying a penny to Brussels or imposing one ounce of EU regulation on the US economy. The UK has a huge trade deficit with Europe & cost of UK/EU membership massively outweighs benefit. British access to 6% of the world's population living in EU costs us a fortune. £25m of our taxes a day net. UK access to other 94% of rest of world's pop'n outside of EU is free Britain on the brink.. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yR83juHjCuo.html
Regardless of which side of the debate one might find themselves on, It could be easily accepted that in order for a university to practice the Socratic Method and establish for others what might be held to be self evident truths, impartiality and a distinct lack of outright bias as an imperative might be considered to be the first of these self evident truths. In this regard, Professor Dougan, you fail dismally. I seriously doubt that you see the irony of the background you have chosen to use. The original Red Brick building from which we derive the term Red Brick University. What might Lord Birkenhead have thought of this and of course the other videos in this series. One might argue that having only read the text of these videos and without the detail of having seen the video itself that, these could never be the words of the Head of EU Law for the University of Liverpool but are more likely to have been written by either Nick Clegg or Nicola Sturgeon. Professor Dougan, as a politician I might applaud you. As an educator and sculptor of young minds and future leaders, you worry me.
So this is what a text book world looks like, shame it does not reflect reality of a protectionist racket managed by big business through lobbyists, lol he said "democratic accountability" and "independent courts" is this a parody video?
The idea the EU is "protectionist" is one of these Eurosceptic soundbites that is spouted constantly by campaigners despite there being zero evidence for it. A recent study on this found the EU has one of the most open markets in the world (only behind places like Singapore). Eurosceptics only call it "protectionist" because they want to pretend that Brexit can boost free trade, when the reality is that we're putting trade barriers between ourselves and our largest export market while withdrawing from 50 odd free trade deals the EU already has with other countries across the world. No serious person in any position of responsibility thinks this will boost trade. It's a complete sham that's being pushed by a few niche business interests who will be the only ones to actually benefit from Brexit (the rest of us will suffer the consequences while they send all their money into offshore tax havens).
And the real world is 500 miillion a week plus the 1 billion allready agreed to the DUP in lost revenue and bribes. So Brexiteers can buy a better recking ball.
