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What is Wayland? A Beginner's Introduction for New Linux Users.  

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Curious about Wayland and how it differs from X11 in Linux? This beginner-friendly video will explain everything you need to know about Wayland and display servers in the Linux world. #wayland #linux
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@CZTachyonsVN
@CZTachyonsVN Месяц назад
I've started daily driving linux starting this year and haven't heard a more simple and clear explanation of how display servers work!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you very much for your comment! I’m trying to learn the skill of explaining concepts as simply and clearly as possible. It seems it worked this time. :)
@jameleddinelassoued7228
@jameleddinelassoued7228 Месяц назад
Commenting so I can see more of this on my feed!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Appreciate you leaving a comment!;)
@PyVerse-47
@PyVerse-47 Месяц назад
i was searching for years for someone that can explain these technical terms in a non technical way thanks you so much
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
You are welcome!
@KrishnaDraws
@KrishnaDraws Месяц назад
Very informative and clear presentation. Thank you!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you for sharing your thoughts! I appreciate it.
@MysteriousFoxy87
@MysteriousFoxy87 Месяц назад
Just a comment to pop this video up in the Recommended section :]
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you so much! That’s very kind of you;)
@0x7f2c
@0x7f2c Месяц назад
It worked
@lazyalpaca7
@lazyalpaca7 Месяц назад
it's freaking worked 😂
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
@lazyalpaca7 😁
@Satseful
@Satseful Месяц назад
It definitely worked 😄 and I am happy it worked, because this was interesting video.
@YBWang-pi9qq
@YBWang-pi9qq 9 дней назад
So simple and easy to understand. Julia, you are genius to explain complicated concepts, in an easy way.❤
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 7 дней назад
Many thanks for your kind comment!🙏🏼
@teleprint-me
@teleprint-me Месяц назад
For clarity, the server and client are abstract notions that apply to software, not hardware. The server and client may be run on the same machine or multiple machines. This means the server and client can run on the same machine. The server can also run on a remote, or networked, machine and this is the distinction. This means you can run the server (it is always software) on a networked machine and a client (also software) can run on a separate machine, utilizing a network of machines to transmit information between them.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thanks for clarifying this!
@kidrock1502
@kidrock1502 Месяц назад
Great simple video on Wayland an X11, like the charts and explanations, ur very gifted speaker, I really enjoyed ur explanations very simple and direct, that's a rarity on utube keep up the great work.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you so much for your kind words. I’m glad you found the video helpful and clear. Your feedback means a lot!
@Wes_Jones
@Wes_Jones 22 дня назад
I'm pretty new to Linux and this description was very easy to understand. Thanks!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 18 дней назад
Glad it helped!
@savagesarethebest7251
@savagesarethebest7251 8 дней назад
I just love how you can run a program on one computer and interact with it on another, or even on your tablet/phone
@gljames24
@gljames24 Месяц назад
"Both are written in C" This is incorrect as Wayland is a standard, not an implementation like Weston, Mutter, etc. A Wayland compositor can be written in Rust like in Cosmic DE, can be compiled to web assembly like Greenfield, or any other Turing complete language as long as it complies to the standard.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
I meant to say “primarily” written in C. The Wayland protocol itself is written in C, but you’re right that Wayland compositors can be written in various languages. For example, Hyprland uses C++, and others use Rust, as you mentioned. Thanks for pointing that out! I should have been more specific about this.
@mikkelpaulick5689
@mikkelpaulick5689 Месяц назад
@@juliaifrankThis is not quite right... The Wayland protocol is a standard defined in XML. There is however an open-source reference implementation called libwayland which is written in C.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Ok, thanks for pointing that out. I might have missed that one.
@deimanimaciones
@deimanimaciones Месяц назад
Thanks for this content, subscribed
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you too!
@VitisCZ
@VitisCZ Месяц назад
Given how wayland is supposed to be the new better thing that's supposed to fix all the x11 issues it really isn't thought through enough. Just look at how they abruptly had to pause new feature development to think about accessibility features because they clearly haven't thought about them and the way wayland is designed simply doesn't allow many accessibility features to work at least not in the initial design so they will have to make workarounds. Also adding new features can literally take multiple years because protocols have to be accepted by majority to be accepted. There's literally proposals for super basic desktop features that took 2 years to get accepted. Just a protocol not the implementation. And not to mention it's a protocol so every compositor has to reimplement everything. Yes there are libraries like wlroots but that still doesn't change the fact every compositor is completely independent and has different features and differing protocol versions. So you have one compositor implementing text input v2 but a different one implementing v1 and v3. This is the real situation and it makes things absolute PITA because you're trying to figure out why something doesn't work on one compositor when it works on another just to realize they don't implement the given protocol. So for the time being I'm simply not dealing with wayland. X11 despite it's shortcomings is still the king and will be for a while.
@dra11y
@dra11y 2 дня назад
How can I connect with you? Legally blind software dev here who just switched to Linux from macOS. I feel so snubbed by contemporary Linux developers. Accessibility was better in the 90's than today, as at least terminal fonts were reasonable size. Now the v6 kernel supports large console fonts, but they aren't installed by default, so boot screen is terrible. Nothing to do with Wayland, but Wayland has it's own issues, especially not supporting consistent dark theme across all apps (really, it should force GTK apps into the user's theme, not the other way around), and cursor sizes and fonts in Qt apps being way, way too small. Screen readers can't communicate properly (there's a Rust project to build a new screen reader for Linux that I'm hoping to contribute to), and I'm building my own read-on-demand screen reader, because I absolutely must have it to use my computer. No one thinks of these things, then they blame us for bringing up these issues because it gives them headaches. Do they want Linux to be only for hardcore ableist nerds, or do they want mass adoption? I pick the latter. What's good for accessibility is good for all users!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 2 дня назад
Thank you for sharing your experience. I can definitely feel your frustration, and I completely agree that accessibility must be taken seriously if pushing for mass adoption. Wayland is still a work in progress in many aspects, and the only way to push for improvement is by speaking up, just as you’ve done. If you’d like to connect further, feel free to reach out through the contact page on my blog or on Instagram. The links are in my RU-vid page description and also in each of the video’s descriptions.
@CorvusNumber6
@CorvusNumber6 16 дней назад
Thank you! That was short and sweet. Perfect! 👍🏻😎
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 15 дней назад
Glad you liked it! :)
@cyberslot
@cyberslot Месяц назад
Hi Julia! I like your style and decision to represent the exposed information in the process of revealing it by hand on paper. It triggers a different complex of perception mechanisms, even it looks the same as, for instance, animated version at first glance. Also the used conceptual approach to stick to the simplicity. Keep up the great work!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Hi! Thanks for sharing your opinion. I was looking for a simple way to reinforce what I was trying to explain. From my own experience, I usually understand better if there is some kind of visual that goes along with the explanation to help anchor the ideas. So I decided to give it a try. People seem to like it, which I’m really glad to hear. Your feedback really motivates me to keep creating! 😊
@prashanthb6521
@prashanthb6521 18 дней назад
This is the best and simplest explanation of wayland I have come across. Thanks Julia.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 18 дней назад
Thank you so much! I’m really glad you found it helpful.
@SGUsyncgamingusa
@SGUsyncgamingusa Месяц назад
Great explanation! Very nice breakdown of Wayland. Keep it up!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you!:)
@saisantosh3599
@saisantosh3599 12 дней назад
Good to have found this, better explanation than others out there
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 12 дней назад
Thank you! I’m glad you found my explanation helpful )
@apmcd47
@apmcd47 18 дней назад
I think what often confuses users is that the X Windows system appears to throw the concept of client and server on its head. A server manages a resource, such as a printer. A client is a user, who through a the use of a software package, such as a word processor, wishes to use that resource. In the 1970s one would use a dumb terminal to run programs on a mainframe or mini computer, which manages the resources of CPU, memory and storage, ie a server. With a graphical workstation the resource, in this case the display/keyboard/mouse, is now local, and with X the client, a GUI software such as a word processor, could be on a remote machine. As you can now see, the concept of which is client, and which is server, depends on context, ie which resource you are talking about.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 18 дней назад
Thanks for this clarification!
@chrisjudge705
@chrisjudge705 12 дней назад
Best comment ever in this context, sooooo many books and teachers does not deep unterstand or enforce to note this logical reverse approach, this was long ago my first struggle with X. So many thanks for the clarification for next generation of programmers😊😊
@vinvivofikas9973
@vinvivofikas9973 Месяц назад
short, to the point and easy to understand. Thank you!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you. Glad it helped!
@disnaut4935
@disnaut4935 Месяц назад
This helped me so much, thank you very much for making this easy to understand!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
You’re very welcome. Glad it helped!
@DenisNolan
@DenisNolan Месяц назад
This is great content. Heard so much about Wayland especially via the Linux unplugged podcast, but really have not put my mind to checking it out further.
@ThisISNM
@ThisISNM 22 дня назад
Thank you very much for explaining. Please keep up the good work.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 22 дня назад
Thank you so much! I really appreciate your support. More videos are on the way!
@yelircaasi
@yelircaasi 19 дней назад
Excellent video! It's makes me happy that content like this exists.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 18 дней назад
Thanks a lot! I’m happy to hear that you enjoyed it.
@Pmt1-u8s
@Pmt1-u8s Месяц назад
Wayland must support ssh protocol enabling to use application GUI of remote computer ( the way X supports for ssh -X ) ... and it's just one of the most basic features list missing in wayland The apprehension for Wayland is for being half baked and being pushed down the throat with arrogance ! But I highly appreciate your video which effectively explained basic difference in behind the scene operation of display manager ... my 💯 for your effort
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thanks for sharing! Comments like yours are important for pushing improvements. I try to stay neutral when talking about Linux. I usually love trying new stuff. But I get that sometimes people can get overly excited about new tech and miss out on the issues. It’s not always the Wayland team’s fault, I believe , but users’ overly excited take on the new stuff. Feedback like yours is needed to making things better. Hopefully, they’ll take it seriously and make the necessary changes.
@croxymoc3254
@croxymoc3254 Месяц назад
Waypipe exists
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
@croxymoc3254 Thanks for pointing this out!
@gljames24
@gljames24 Месяц назад
WayVNC is available and can be run headless.
@dmitripogosian5084
@dmitripogosian5084 Месяц назад
Wayland is fundamentally not network transparent, while network transparency was the cornerstone of X11. In that sense Wayland is significant step backwards
@XandaoTech-yc8br
@XandaoTech-yc8br Месяц назад
Thank you for the explanation, and warm greetings from Brazil.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you for leaving a comment and warm ( before October rolls around) greetings from Canada! :-)
@michaelmicek
@michaelmicek 11 дней назад
In my mind, the key difference between X11 and Wayland is that X11 was originally designed for "physical implementation" (0:50), albeit with client applications running on the "server" (mainframe) and the display server running on the client workstation (a "thin client"), whereas Wayland assumes the client applications and display server are on the same hardware (1:07). For most desktop users this allows Wayland to perform better, but it can't handle the case when they are not.
@Slickstaff_Stainpants
@Slickstaff_Stainpants Месяц назад
great video and it helped a lot. I have hearing issues and even with your accent i could understand you clearly. I hope Wayland provides a much faster and cleaner Desktop.. Windows 10 is buttery smooth and I want that in a Linux. Im learning on Fedora KDE because its given me the least problems.. of course NVIDIA is not helping. I really want Linux to be as good at Direct X or Vulkan (id prefer Vulkan) as Windows. Im a gamer. Windows 11 is looking to be a whole OS full of spyware and I dont want that.
@antonfrank3722
@antonfrank3722 Месяц назад
I also have Fedora KDE, and after installing the NVIDIA 555.58.02 drivers from RPM Fusion the gaming experience is a lot better.
@tessiof
@tessiof Месяц назад
Watching this on Wayland (I use Arch btw)
@GraniteFaun
@GraniteFaun Месяц назад
Saaame
@chairlovawitabat
@chairlovawitabat Месяц назад
Great vid thx for the explanation. My friend asked me what Wayland was the other day and I struggled for an explanation. Ima send him this video 😎
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
You’re welcome and thanks for sharing! 😉
@JasmanjotSingh404
@JasmanjotSingh404 Месяц назад
Thanks for simple explanation
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
You are welcome!
@ソク
@ソク Месяц назад
I'm ur 667th subscriber
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
👍😀
@bharath2633
@bharath2633 Месяц назад
Thank you for the video. Its on-point and interesting :)
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you for leaving the comment! It helps a lot to know how people feel about the way I try to communicate ideas and explain things.
@lazyalpaca7
@lazyalpaca7 Месяц назад
awesome content, immediately subscribed ❤️
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thanks for subbing and commenting! Appreciate it.
@Onyx-it8gk
@Onyx-it8gk Месяц назад
Thank you for the video! It's important to inform (new and old) Linux users of the actual improvements being made, and this video does a great job!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thanks! :)
@kanes5105
@kanes5105 23 дня назад
Thanks for explaining Wayland so well.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 23 дня назад
You’re welcome! I’m glad it helped.:)
@basvenis
@basvenis Месяц назад
Gratefull is found this channel, nice introduction
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you so much for your feedback!:)
@eobardthawnemcoc
@eobardthawnemcoc Месяц назад
thank you and looking forward to more videos like this hehe
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you for leaving the comment! :)
@eobardthawnemcoc
@eobardthawnemcoc Месяц назад
@@juliaifrank you're always welcome
@MiBaLinuxTech
@MiBaLinuxTech 26 дней назад
Thanks for this great Video. Thanks for your work
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 24 дня назад
You are very welcome, I’m glad you found it helpful. Thanks for commenting!
@MiBaLinuxTech
@MiBaLinuxTech 24 дня назад
@@juliaifrank Hi, you make a great job. I have a problem on my linux mintin the morning I remove things from my start application and now I don't have dark mode and all what is displayed is wrong. I thing that have todo with the x11 but I can't fixed. I restart the lightdm service but nothing. Have you any idea? Sorry for disturbing you.
@nordmu
@nordmu Месяц назад
Helped me understand, thank you!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
You are very welcome! I’m glad it helped.)
@AjayPrashar
@AjayPrashar 27 дней назад
While I loved the technical content, I especially appreciated the tone, the clarity, and the pace of the video. Thank you for your effort in educating me.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 24 дня назад
Thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed the video and found it helpful. Your feedback means a lot and motivates me to keep creating more content. Thanks for watching!
@-TakaTan
@-TakaTan 16 дней назад
I came here to learn Wayland and ultimately actually I learned Ubuntu 24.10 for NVIDIA, that is stunning for me. Absolutely what I love to know.
@TomGDrAccessibility
@TomGDrAccessibility Месяц назад
Very good explanation, thank you!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you! I’m glad it was helpful.
@savagepro9060
@savagepro9060 Месяц назад
I stopped by to understand Wayland. I subscribed and became your 1000th subscriber. Bragging rights, for us, both!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
So you understand Wayland now and became my 1000th subscriber. Bragging rights, indeed! 😄
@savagepro9060
@savagepro9060 Месяц назад
@@juliaifrank Yep!
@galporgy
@galporgy Месяц назад
The algo brought me here and I liked it! I like your first-principles style of teaching (not surprised you’re a physics student), and appreciate the straightforward delivery without dumb memes and annoying background music. PS: usually it’s physics PhDs moving to finance, not vice versa, so you have done that backwards too! 😄
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you so much! I’m glad you enjoyed the video and my teaching style. I wanted the content to be the focus, hence no music etc. So I’m happy to hear you appreciated that decision. I hadn’t realized the finance-to-physics path was backwards until you mentioned it, though I was aware that it is typically the other way around. 😁 Thanks for your thoughtful comment! 😊
@Rbourk252
@Rbourk252 Месяц назад
Loved the explanation. ❤
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you!😊
@Daoist_Oak
@Daoist_Oak Месяц назад
This was very informative and clear. Thank you for providing such quality content. PS: BTW this is just a tangent but you look really similar to my college professor
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you so much for the kind words! I’m glad you found the content helpful. And that’s funny about the college professor-I’ve never heard of having a doppelgänger before :-) What is she teaching?
@ustav_o
@ustav_o Месяц назад
really nice explanation. great timing
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you!
@J_FiFi
@J_FiFi 28 дней назад
Great explanation, more topics would be appreciated ✨
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 24 дня назад
Thank you! I’ll work on more topics very soon. :)
@NormTurtle
@NormTurtle 28 дней назад
we need more ladies in linux 😭
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 24 дня назад
Agreed! Happy to be here and represent. 😊 Thanks for your support!
@aliefyakin4806
@aliefyakin4806 20 дней назад
I think I saw an oasis
@anakinsonone
@anakinsonone 19 дней назад
Really good and simple explanation
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 18 дней назад
Thank you for your feedback!!
@aliefyakin4806
@aliefyakin4806 20 дней назад
I hope more applications support Wayland in the future
@saberell
@saberell Месяц назад
Good presentation!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you!
@gorrumKnight
@gorrumKnight Месяц назад
Straightforward and informative, kudos! I use Arch btw. 😛
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you! :) I use Fedora.
@MalumeOmega
@MalumeOmega Месяц назад
Well presented. Thank you. Tip: Purchase (or make) a light diffuser for your ring light.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you for leaving a comment! As for the light diffuser, I’ll think of something. Is it the light reflection in my glasses that is bothersome or something else? I just want to understand how to improve my videos. Thanks!
@Gurundiaocinac
@Gurundiaocinac 27 дней назад
There is this translucid paper used for cooking (cant remember the name) that years ago can be used un front of light src since it tolerate high temps, is just a simple craft. Is white and come un rollos (like aluminium ones).
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 15 дней назад
@@Gurundiaocinac Thanks for the idea!💡
@iury0x58
@iury0x58 Месяц назад
Great content! Subscribed.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you very much!:)
@geekboy6655
@geekboy6655 Месяц назад
Brilliantly explained! Good that the video has appeared in my recommended. Maybe consider recording something about systemd and init :)
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you so much for your feedback! Believe it or not, I’m making another batch of videos in a similar style. All because of the success of this one and feedback like yours. :)
@Chris558576
@Chris558576 21 день назад
Thank you for this.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 18 дней назад
My pleasure!
@fluoriteByte
@fluoriteByte Месяц назад
Its funny how some people saying that wayland is an outsider to the linux ecosystem and that thr x11 devs hate it Even tho x11 devs are the ones making wayland
@victornikolov537
@victornikolov537 Месяц назад
Short and clear. When done!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you for your feedback!
@guineapig1016
@guineapig1016 Месяц назад
Thank you
@sixpeer
@sixpeer Месяц назад
That was well explained!... If Wayland is the future and it eliminates the need for a separate window manager for a display server, does that mean it will eventually make all those window managers like Xfwm, KWin, IceWM, Compiz etc obsolete?.... Need more videos like these! Thanks!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thanks for the compliment! Wayland is designed to be the future of display servers. It can and will certainly impact the use of traditional window managers like Xfwm, KWin, IceWM, and Compiz, but many of these projects are adapting to work with Wayland too (some window managers are being adapted or rewritten as Wayland compositors (e.g. KWin, Mutter), and XWayland serves as a compatibility layer to allow X11 applications, including window managers, to run on Wayland as a temporary solution). It’s an evolving space, so it’ll be interesting to see how it all plays out. I’ll definitely keep making more videos like this. Stay tuned!
@coffee-is-power
@coffee-is-power Месяц назад
​​@@juliaifrankno, X11 Windows managers DO NOT Run on xwayland On wayland the desktop environment's compositor is responsible for managing and compositing the Windows There are wayland compositors like Hyprland which can provide window tiling features and can do really cool effects and animations and are fully customizable and they it is fully stand alone, you can just run "Hyprland" on a TTY and everything starts up
@lobotomy-victim
@lobotomy-victim Месяц назад
⁠@@coffee-is-powershe never said that x11 wm’s run on xwayland
@coffee-is-power
@coffee-is-power Месяц назад
@@lobotomy-victim No, she said "X11 applications, including window managers to run on wayland" which is completely wrong
@lobotomy-victim
@lobotomy-victim Месяц назад
@@coffee-is-power it’s not, you can run x11 window manager on wayland
@pravinkumarone
@pravinkumarone Месяц назад
Thanks Julia, well explained.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
I’m glad you like it. Thank you!
@TradersTradingEdge
@TradersTradingEdge Месяц назад
Great explanation, thank you.👍
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you for your feedback! Much appreciated! :)
@Oodle-ox2vf
@Oodle-ox2vf 29 дней назад
Excellent.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 29 дней назад
Thank you!
@bsvenss2
@bsvenss2 18 дней назад
0:19 It's no battle imho. Wayland is a development/transition of X to a newer, more modern and effective solution.
@DiegoGZorrilla
@DiegoGZorrilla 29 дней назад
Very good explanation, it's the first time I get the difference 😅
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 29 дней назад
Thanks! I’m glad you found it helpful:)
@erixIsOffline
@erixIsOffline Месяц назад
Thanks❤
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Likewise:)
@MarcoKrieger
@MarcoKrieger Месяц назад
Thank you for clarifying what is x11 and Wayland and what does both programs do. I might came across some of those hiccups you mentioned. I tested Fedora 40 KDE and Manjaro KDE last month and had some trouble with my dual monitor setup and the painting application Krita. Krita became laggy and crush several times, which wasn't the case before with x11. But that could be a resolved with a patch or update of KRITA. The monitor situation is worse. In general both displays are mislabeled and in consequence of that, I had to mark the secondary monitor as primary to get the task bar on the correct monitor. After a reboot, the settings are gone and had to set back manually. Under x11 my Wacom Tablet works just fine and I just had to install a program for the GUI. It seems that this option is not in place under Wayland. I read about plans to create such a GUI, but that doesn't help right now. I know that you aren't responsible for this, I just wanted to point it out to your audience. Would be interesting to know if this is only a me-problem or does this issues affecting more people.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thank you for sharing your experience in detail! I’m sure some people can relate.
@CipherOne
@CipherOne 14 дней назад
Wayland camp 💯
@Guishan_Lingyou
@Guishan_Lingyou Месяц назад
This was a very clear explanation. I use linux and watch some content about it, but I don't have much of a need to understand what is happening under the hood given how I use it (e.g., I have no idea if I'm using Wayland or X11 right now ;-). That said, having heard a lot about Wayland vs X11, it's nice to actually have some kind of understanding about what people are talking about.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
That’s exactly what I was trying to achieve with this video. Thanks for confirming that it worked! :-)
@-TakaTan
@-TakaTan 16 дней назад
I came here because I only knew Wayland is probably for killing X11 and I like to learn anything I should learn.
@asknight
@asknight 11 дней назад
I've been with ubuntu exclusively since version 20 and have seen Wayland mentioned in tons of release notes off and on, scattered everywhere... and I'm a bit afraid (or ashamed) to admit that I never knew exactly what the heck it does, until now. Thank you!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 11 дней назад
No need to be ashamed at all! I was in the same boat for quite a while until I finally took the time to dig into it. Once I felt I had a clear and simple high-level understanding of Wayland ( without concerning myself with technical details ), I decided to turn that into a video. I’ve learned from the feedback that I missed/misunderstood some finer details, but I hope I was able to convey the general idea. Thanks so much for commenting, and I’m happy the video helped!
@asknight
@asknight 10 дней назад
@@juliaifrank it definitely helped well enough that you earned that click on the subscribe button! Keep up the great work!
@ElSenorEls
@ElSenorEls Месяц назад
This is good
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
I appreciate your feedback!
@gregharn1
@gregharn1 Месяц назад
Wayland def sounds like the way to go
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Wayland definitely has a lot of potential and improvements over X11. It’s going to be interesting to see how things develop. For now, it’s a bit of a showdown between the two display servers! 😊
@dra11y
@dra11y 2 дня назад
This is great from a dev's standpoint, but accessibility is terrible so far in Wayland. It does not respect the need for screen readers to access window information consistently. Dark theme is not consistent in GTK apps, which is terrible for those of us who are light sensitive. And cursors and font sizes in Qt apps are way, way too small. These issues often require countless hours of workarounds on the part of the user. If the architecture of Wayland is so great, why can't the Wayland developers address some of these inter-app communication issues so we can fix accessibility consistently?
@9mmfederalrimmed235
@9mmfederalrimmed235 6 дней назад
Thanks for the explanation. I don't know if Wayland is so nice. Lots of Distros provide rather X11 instead of Wayland and I read there are problems with Wayland. Maybe one likes an old well built workhorse better than the newest shiny car made out of plastic and which falls apart after 2 years. I installed yesterday KDE neon on my Dell SFF desktop (i3-9100, 24 GB RAM 2400 MT/s) and that came preinstalled with Wayland. I had nothing but trouble with crashing an thing called plasmashell. On Wayland I got about 50 plasmashell crashes. Annoying but it did not hinder the use of any App. I run Tuxedo OS on 3 other systems and no problem whatsoever. Tuxedo not even considers Wayland but is preinstalled with X11. Not a single problem now in 3 months on no system. So I figured this is not normal plasmashell crashes that often on KDE neon and I then restarted it with X11. Since X11 is standard now on KDE neon (all up to date), I had not a single crash of anything not even once plasmashell. So Wayland most likely is causing issues on Distros. Tuxedo allways tests all updates before releasing them and I realised they use allways X11 and an older version of Ubuntu kernel. I believe the KDE Plasma versions are the same between my KDE neon system and my other Tuxedo systems. KDE neon seems to provide the latest and greatest from Plasma and Ubuntu alike and Tuxedo is more conservative and provides a bit older versions in order to assure system stability and functionality. But now with X11 I had not a single hic up with my KDE neon system.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 5 дней назад
Thanks for sharing your experience! It’s true that Wayland can still have some issues depending on the distro and hardware, and X11 might be a better fit in certain cases. Hopefully, as Wayland matures, these problems will become less common. Appreciate the insight!
@user-z1u4u
@user-z1u4u Месяц назад
👍
@fernandomarsal6268
@fernandomarsal6268 Месяц назад
Interesante
@nodswal
@nodswal 20 дней назад
You mention Nvidia and wayland, are there times you would need to switch away from one or the other?
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 18 дней назад
I didn’t mention Nvidia specifically in this video. But if it helps to answer your question, Wayland is a display server protocol, and Nvidia is a major graphics card manufacturer. Historically, Nvidia’s proprietary drivers had some issues with Wayland support, but generally speaking, the compatibility between Nvidia drivers and Wayland has been improving. Sometimes, users might switch to X11 if they encounter specific issues or need certain features not yet fully supported on Wayland with Nvidia.
@kwaki-serpi-niku
@kwaki-serpi-niku 6 дней назад
For me in the way that I understand it, Wayland is comparable to DirectX on Windows. It is a graphics API. You have a desktop environment in Linux, which would be something like KDE or gnome. But you've got to have a graphics platform to manage The 2D and 3D. That's where x11 or Wayland comes in. Wayland sucks though. It creates problems instead of solving them.
@dipi71
@dipi71 Месяц назад
3:30 Is it possible that you're mixing up display managers (xdm, gdm, lightdm, sddm etc.) with window managers (kwin, compiz, fluxbox)? There's also desktop environments (Gnome, KDE, lxde, Enlightenment etc.). Of all those categories, some already work under Wayland or Xwayland. Some don't. Cheers!
@michaelmicek
@michaelmicek 11 дней назад
No, she didn't get into display managers at all.
@f67739
@f67739 Месяц назад
pretty new to linux but so far most packages ive installed when given a choice usually have compatability issues with wayland, plus LXDE still uses X11 and so does everything else, im x11 for now simply because im tired of everything in linux taking 15 steps as is lol
@Bunuffin
@Bunuffin 4 дня назад
Wayland IS the future... X11 devs are the one working on it, all the "battle" is meaningless.
@MeriaDuck
@MeriaDuck 18 дней назад
New user since 1994. Still learning 😂
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 18 дней назад
Haha, that’s awesome! There’s always something new to learn in the world of Linux. 😊
@lipepaniguel
@lipepaniguel Месяц назад
Wayland is not limited to C. Smithay, for example, uses Rust.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Yes, I realize now that I should have been more specific. Thanks for leaving a comment!
@Viking8888
@Viking8888 16 дней назад
Thank you for pronouncing GNOME correctly. It itches the ol melon 🧠 when people say noam, seeing as G.N.O.M.E is an acronym.
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank 15 дней назад
GNOME deserves to be pronounced with all its letters respected. Thanks for noticing! 😄
@Viking8888
@Viking8888 13 дней назад
@@juliaifrank That's how I feel too! It wasn't named after the little garden demon at all. 😉
@JasmanjotSingh404
@JasmanjotSingh404 Месяц назад
What are your views on Flatpaks are they safe Flatpak vs AUR?!
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
I think Flatpaks are pretty safe since they run in a sandboxed environment. This basically means each app is isolated from the rest of the system, so it can’t mess with files or settings. Even if something goes wrong with the app, the damage is contained within its own little bubble. As for Flatpak vs. AUR, Flatpak works on a bunch of different Linux distros, making it pretty versatile. AUR is meant for Arch Linux and is all about user-contributed packages.
@coffee-is-power
@coffee-is-power Месяц назад
​@@juliaifrankalso AUR is unsafe because anyone can submit build scripts including malicious ones that can Run as Root, its highly recommended to check the PKGBUILD file of the package before running it
@antonfrank3722
@antonfrank3722 Месяц назад
Flatpaks are great for apps like Discord, Spotify, etc, that don’t need direct system integration, but for things like some programming IDEs and applications like Steam the permissions can be kind of funky if you have the Flatpak. Apps like Flatseal can help with that, giving you the option to change permissions of every Flatpak application you have installed individually.
@JasmanjotSingh404
@JasmanjotSingh404 Месяц назад
Thanks for answer!! But flatpaks which are not maintained by original company itself like VLC flatpak Are they safe to use?
@bulentyildiz07
@bulentyildiz07 20 дней назад
when the system run, never touch. 😊
@epiphoney
@epiphoney 28 дней назад
I never heard of it before. Thanks. I hear it has issues with Nvidia video cards.
@yogesh193001
@yogesh193001 Месяц назад
The issue is with anydesk or TeamViewer etc
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Thanks for sharing!
@JasmanjotSingh404
@JasmanjotSingh404 Месяц назад
What are your views on thorium browser?
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
I’ve never used it before, tbh.
@JasmanjotSingh404
@JasmanjotSingh404 Месяц назад
Appreciated just keep uploading new content 😊
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
@@JasmanjotSingh404 will do! Working on three other Linux videos right now;)
@JasmanjotSingh404
@JasmanjotSingh404 Месяц назад
Interesting!!
@jokysatria4047
@jokysatria4047 Месяц назад
will old devices not supported by wayland?
@antonfrank3722
@antonfrank3722 Месяц назад
The age of the device/hardware shouldn't matter
@MahmudulHasan-wk3qv
@MahmudulHasan-wk3qv Месяц назад
I reccomend miro or sozi for these presentations
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
I’ll consider that, thanks!
@paleopteryx
@paleopteryx Месяц назад
Why not improving X11 instead of building a complete different server. protocol, etc? So far my wayland experience was a nightmare and I had to go back to X11. "New" doesn't necessarilly mean "better"!
@soymadip.
@soymadip. Месяц назад
Because most of the maintainers are volunteers. And a very old code like xorg is very hard to modernize
@fluoriteByte
@fluoriteByte Месяц назад
All the devs of x11 left to work on wayland, but they still accept merge requests yet no one actually sends them any code
@Lestibournes
@Lestibournes Месяц назад
The explanation I received was that in order to modernize X you'd need to change so much that it's easier to just start over with a new project.
@CristianMolina
@CristianMolina Месяц назад
X protocol was improved a lot throught decades, but at this point it is really hard to maintain and improve the current X11 code
@no_name4796
@no_name4796 Месяц назад
Because x11 is fucking older then the average politician, has the craziest spaghetti code, nobody fucking wants to even touch it (a wrong move and it will crumble), it lacks tons of features (heck multiple screen cannot have different refresh rates), it has tons of vulnerability which are unfixable (example: you can switch tty, kill the lockscreen, and just access the computer. Not the best thing. Wayland has a protocol where if you do that, you get a red screen of death, thus protecting your privacy) In few words, it's a one big fucking pile of garbage, which the fact it works alone is pure black magic
@JasmanjotSingh404
@JasmanjotSingh404 Месяц назад
Can you suggest debian vs arch which to use?!
@gorrumKnight
@gorrumKnight Месяц назад
Generally I would suggest Debian when starting out because of the amount of support. Or something Ubuntu based like Kubuntu or Mint for similar reasons. Arch is great if you are experienced in Linux or are a Windows power user willing to learn via trial by fire, lol.
@no_name4796
@no_name4796 Месяц назад
Fedora is also a good alternative. Stable enough while almost bleeding edge (packages are 1 or 2 weeks old) It's the best from debian and arch
@JasmanjotSingh404
@JasmanjotSingh404 Месяц назад
Redhat controversies ahead 🥴
@lisanalghaib
@lisanalghaib Месяц назад
Saudações do Brasil minha cara. I use cachyos btw
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Saudações do Canadá! Obrigada por assistir! 😊
@Superkuh2
@Superkuh2 12 дней назад
There's no such thing as Wayland. It is just a protocol without a strong reference implementation. Every Wayland implementation is different and software that will run on one wayland won't run on another. The waylands are fragmenting linux even worse than it already was. All because IBM/Red Hat want something easier for the fleets to deploy.
@jeffcauhape6880
@jeffcauhape6880 Месяц назад
How widely has Wayland been adopted?
@juliaifrank
@juliaifrank Месяц назад
Wayland has been increasingly adopted by major Linux distributions like Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian, and openSUSE. While it’s not yet universal, it’s steadily becoming the default in more systems.
@dmitrykhangulyan4349
@dmitrykhangulyan4349 Месяц назад
Хотел узнать, когда же xmonad протирают на Weyland, но тема осталась не раскрыта 😂
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