@@Shahzeb1988the tall guy is puppet he just want portrayed an image and always searching for approval from people around to feel he is winning, pathetic
No he wasn't, he intellectually didn't understand what they were saying to him. Due to the lack of understanding, by Sara's logic, the answer didn't exist. He would have only understood them if they gave him the answer he wanted. He kept on talking about subjective but expected objective answers for his small mind to fathom.
@@markorbit4752 Sara is lost, he bases his beliefs on his own understanding alone. He clearly doesn't have the mental capacity to understand Hijab and therefore couldn't say a word. He's not only disrespectful to others'beliefs but also ignorant. He started to attack Hijab on a personal level because he had nothing else to say. Go watch Sara's other debates. All terrible.
Because they are peddling it as the only truth and factual information, follow me or you go to hellfire thats why! We are right everybody else in the whole world is wrong.
Im basic? Okay. In pretty much every single one of your videos you are the one claiming to be the superior being/race. So what makes you different from the people who follow any religion?
B15... A belief doesn't require evidence. I could believe in fairies and unicorns. It's a BELIEF not a fact! If you are saying something is a FACT then you require evidence to back it up
+Sa Ra Garvey you said you watched the video more than 3 times, but you are still unable to disprove one of three premises Muhammad provided you with in order to reach an objective reality, not a subjective one
Reason over Dogma i think two mouths have a slight advantage over one mouth, that just common sense and a conversation tends to work better that way with a clearer outcome in terms of staying on topic... in any case its an advantage ie two horses are better than one, and so on. I dont think thats very difficult to figure out.Its not about brains it just the fact they can throw twice as much questions at him to defer them from answering his.which they do.
Sorry to be so off topic but does someone know of a tool to log back into an Instagram account..? I was stupid forgot my login password. I love any tricks you can offer me
Mohammed couldn't handle it, so resorted to little power trip moves like holding your shoulder and calling you "my boy", in an attempt to exert some kind of control over you
Sa ra vs the chuckle brothers.. 😂 they need their heads banging together! Hijab resorts to throwing punches and slaps when he loses an argument. Sa ra has these two in knots !
What was the point of Ali debating here, he just kept interrupting the debate between Mohammed and Sara. Ali's interjections didn't bring much to the table at all. If we are talking about Islam, Mohammed seems to know much more than Ali. Ali should of just left these two to it. Mohammed is one of the best debaters in Hyde Park and clearly very intelligent. But he needs to understand that not all people are muslim and that not all people appreciate being touched so frequently.
NAYEM SCORPION Compare Ali to Mohammed. Ali is really emotional, gets frustrated and even angry at times. Raises his voice and can be sarcastic. In general, Ali can't debate very well and debates because he is so emotional and passionate about Islam. Mohammed on the other hand is cool, calm and collected. He is polite and doesn't get emotionally riled. He is respectful and he clearly has a lot of knowledge on Islam and science. Ali ruined this debate for Mohammed.
NAYEM SCORPION I haven't listeed to Sara before. But he started off with a legitimate argument, but he then got caught out and didn't have a response. Athiests can't disprove god. Sara's point about Mohammed having understood him despite Sara using the wrong terminology was so flawed. Mohammed understood Sara not because he took what he said literally word for word, but because he guessed what Sara is getting at. If you want to talk facts, then you have to explain everything that you mean. Running away from explaining what you fully mean is a cheap cop out. That's when Mohammed won the debate in my opinion. If Sara had fully explained himself and exactly what he meant, then we would of continued with an interesting debate. But Sara had no answer to Mohammed's question and replied with a poor response.
I find it funny everyone is criticizing ali. He's the one who originally was talking to sa ra in the first place and he was most humble of them all. He's not afraid to say I don't know but his points didn't make sense.
I'm a Muslim, and I have to give Sa Ra props here. I understand and respect his arguments and the way he handled these two. Mohammad Hijab was rude at times, showing signs of frustration that Sa Ra had him stumped. And Hijab uses his common tactic of using big words to divert away from the point. Not a sincere debator at all.
For sure. Admirable arguments and exemplary behavior from him. As a Muslim I find Hijab and his minion there truly detestable. Sa Ra was right when he said they do a disservice to their faith.
As an ex muslim, all these levels of intellectual sphere Sara is taking muslims are so new to them. These are things that are never taught or allowed in madrassas. Critical thinking is forbidden in madrassas and muslim communities. Watch both Hijab and Ali faces when Sara asked them if Allah is SUBJECTIVE or OBJECTIVE. The look on their faces is priceless! That was the A-ha moment for them. That question really hit them. The question of the difference between Objective, Subjective, Belief and Knowledge is new to majority of muslims. This is like so alien to them. They NEVER thought of such things.
As an Ex muslim myself I concur. I am now an agnostic atheist and have been treated to these philosophical arguments by since 2017 by the atheist RU-vid platforms.. Sa Ra was not very sophisticated here in 2016 but compared to the guys he was debating he absolutely had the better and honest arguments. That's my opinion ofcourse..
You don’t , and haven’t ever known the history of muslims. These topics are normal throughout history. Just because your sheep acquaintances gave you a different image, doesn’t mean islam is shallow 😂. This guy talking like muslims are 50 iq. Maybe you’re 50 iq because that’s how you percieved it. If you even knew the knowledge behind majmaul bahrain, you’d feel like a fool for saying this rubbish.
This man talks to jinn that he thinks is his ancestors. He admitted to practicing voodoo and he's a kemet. He is into ancient Egypt and beliefs in the hidden knowledge which is basically sorcery and summoning jinn. He's being fooled and hope he finds guidance insallah!
Yep i concur, the only way to help Sa Ra is to do an Islamic exorcism. Next time hes in the park get a Qari to start reading Ruqyah on loud speraker. LOL
sa ra needs to learn about jinn's theres plenty of videos about it on youtube. dont go straight in to prove it wheres thre evidence etc just for once follow through with it and play safe if you later on in life or the next life come to learn that it was true they you can atleast say i tried to protect myself . you should live your life like that its wise to be safe if 10 people say dont go down that road because you will get shoot but yet i 10 peeps cant prove it,it would be wise to play safe and avoid it
Sarah Allow it lol u still going on but had to run before Mohammed shamed u and u was lucky that Ali was coming in and out the convo I know u will be avoiding them from now lol lol lol u looked so bad then started cursing I thought you want to benefit the community I know your people and proved them wrong too lol u all a like wannabes sad people
When a person tells you, i believe in this God and in this book just leave him alone, no hope there you are just wasting your time and they will not accept any kind of logic, But respect Sa Ra for trying and i liked his points of view.
Prove what? Lol. You guys are sooooo dense! It's subjective, it's cannot be proven objectively. Just like your Allah can't be proven objectively. Welcome to the Crazy side of life 😂
@ Sa Ra. Much respect to you mate. You can tell that after 15 minutes in the debate that both of them were running out of ideas and decided to regurgitate the same arguments. I wish you more victories in the future!
A N, you have the genes of your ancestors. If this is not enough, him existing today logically means that his ancestors had to be alive to give birth to him and same goes for his parents.
After watching this video, I will never believe in religion ever again. As an African, I am longing to connect with my ancestors. Thank you Sara for challenging these clowns who don't even know their own god.
Ali dawah: STOP!! LEMME SAY SOMETHING, I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING!!! *IGNORED* MOHAMMAD! MOHAMMAD! I NEED TO SAY SOMETHING! *THEY CONTINUE TO IGNORE* HEY HEY!! LET ME FINISH LET MEEEEE FINISH!!! MOHAMMAD MOHAMMAD LET MR FINIIISHHHH!!! *IGNORED*
Sara is correct... From the Scientific point-of-view using the Big Bang Theory and the Steady-State Theory, the Universe originated from matter and energy leading into the formation of the Universe. Energy is part of us. If you hold your hand up and hold it against another close, you will feel the heat and energy and tingle pulse.
when someone debates Sa Ra in the future, can they please focus on HIS beliefs because i have noticed when he gets asked about his beliefs he smoothly wriggles out of it and ends up talking about the muslim beliefs. His beliefs are ridiculous no wonder he doesnt want to talk about them. Br. Hamza did exactly that and managed to make sa ra look really stupid
Reason over Dogma why does it matter ? It matters a lot because the question was about his belief and his ancestors not on Islam but he changed it to Islam more than his ancestors. You know why? Because he doesn't make sense and has a lack of solid proof
the point is its subjective he's already said his beliefs are personal. he doesn't make the claim that they are "true" to others nor does he care. the islamic stance is very different therefore requires them to prove their outlandish claims. thats the whole point of this debate.
who told you about jinns ahh you read it in a book, so do you know they exist have you see one or spoken to one? your as crazy as him if you believe that, he said himself he is man enough to stand up for what he believes in and admit its subjective. spooky jinns stories, scooby doo stuff.
Dude even if we showed you evidence pertaining to Jinns you would still disbelieve, heck if a Jinni slapped you across the face you still wouldn't believe 😹
Please fast forward to 31:38 !!! I’ve never seen Mohammed hijab silenced in such a fashion… you can see in his facial expressions and body language he has been snookered and has no way out 😂 Great work SaRa once again!
Sara cant even comprehend Br. Mo's knowledge and he wants to comprehend Gods knowledge??!! I hope God will guide you sara because without his guidance you are truly lost (as proved above)
I don't think he want to comprehend 'God's' knowledge. The stance is: if you can't prove 'God' exist, then how does it have knowledge and that you can arrogantly ascribe a logic to a being that you can't prove is real.
Everyone who watches this video can see that Sa Ra gave Ali and Hijab way too much respect. But as the debate continued, they kept bringing him down to their low IQ levels. I hope Sa Ra knows by now that you can never ever win a debate against a people who believe their cult is perfect, the founder of their cult is perfect, their Cultic scriptures are perfect. They believe all these without one shred of proof.
Azhania Orgena sara is a prick ..Now when he gets questioned all of a sudden he’s humble .. Get the fuck out of ere... He came from Energy ...what a prick... He knows he’s chatting shit ... Stumbling foooooil
@@cryptoknight7587 the first thing these guys do to a new baby boy is cut his foreskin off. But if God made that child perfect they didn't need to cut that poor baby did they.
@@margaretwaite5170 circumcision is not compulsory in Islam. It is not mentiomed anywherenin the Quran. It is a riutal from Hadith which was stolen from the Talmud and brought to Islam.
@@sensibleguy110 You don't need DNA to prove your ancestors. Just by you existing is proof that your ancestors existed because if they didn't exist then you wouldn't be alive today. Considering you call yourself 'Sensible Guy' you seem to lack a little bit of common sense.
Did you know that the bible the Tankh (The OT) and the NT teaches that you must love yourself first.......before you can love another person? Go figure....
u are dumb like him not tag team it's clear man talking faarrraaaaffff but think his talking sense he use words that he don't even know but still think his smart road rat is a road rat end off
I am a Muslim and I respect this African brothers logical questions. He makes much more sense than these 2 knuckle heads who keep answering back gibberish answers. I never seen this guy EVER lose an argument against the Muslims AS OF YET I really give him a lot of credit. I'd like to see him debate with MUSLIM brothers who are more philosophical and scientifically logic and who can admit when they do not have the answers.
hes basically replacing God with energy and where he gets his tools from to create the Universe, a Divine Entities intentions is something a human mind can't comprehend, Islam even teaches that 'Allah knows what we don't'.
A famous evangelist was once asked about the future of Jews and Muslims not believing in Christ. He smiled and shared he can’t judge them; only God can. His calling is to preach the forgiveness of God. To this minister, declaring who is going to hell is simply a side trail. Yet our Jesus warned anyone not believing in Him will be cast into everlasting fire. (Mat. 18:8; 25:41, 46) What is happening? Satan is attempting to undermine the doctrine of Christ. (2 John 1:9) The result is most Christian leaders, like the evangelist above, are no longer willing to warn those rejecting the gospel. (John 3:16, Rom. 6:17) The wicked that do will be judged by God before being cast into the lake of fire. (Rev. 20:11-15) Such compromise is having a drastic effect within the body of Christ. (2 Tim. 4:3-4)
39:15 Sa Ra says : "so stop speaking about him" But sa RA, what if the Creator INSTRUCTS people to INVITE people to the word of God? Quran 16: 125 "Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." His own premise of "not FULLY understanding God, therefore one ought not to speak about it" is dealt with by the Quran. So how does speaking about God do a disservice to God, when God INSTRUCTS people to invite people to the way of the ONE lord? O-0, dear o dear. That is my first impression after the first 45 minutes. I will continue his contradictions tomorrow.
***** Take it easy with Patje She is having a bad time with debating recently. She likes to question other beliefs, but in another video i just established that she thought she could relay on science for her own personal belief, but she/he knows better now.
Patje I already responded to your posts. Im sorry Patje, but you are to easy to refute ;-) My sincere advive is stay out of hells kitchen if you can not take the heat!
The guy SaRa made more sense in a way. Energy is eternal it is by the laws of physics. He was speaking on what we know as human beings. Remember faith is the belief in something without evidence. He was not using faith but knowledge we as human beings have. When the brothers were disagreeing with him I was confused. Because these are the laws of physics which govern our universe. They are a known facts, especially when he said energy is eternal. Because it is. Energy cannot be created nor can it be destroyed. I see in the comments people calling him stupid. But this is the exact logic great people like Isaac Newton and other great names had. I just agree with SaRa on this point because It is a known fact.
Hmm I would give the win to Sa Ra, 2 vs 1 and they still couldn't silence him. The Muslims especially the one in the jacket was trying to hard to seem smart.
The concept of God is highly subjective and can vary greatly among different individuals and cultures. Some people believe in a personal God who is all-knowing, all-powerful, and who has a personal relationship with each of their believers. Others believe in a more abstract or impersonal concept of God. Ultimately, whether God is subjective or objective depends on one's individual beliefs and perspective.
Yeah, I thought Sara won this one. Although I do disagree with him, I think that his points were just better stated and managed to solidify his point more. Hijab did a good job of countering and defending, but Sara was just better. As for Ali, he didn't really do much. But I did find it weird and funny how Hijab kept touching Sara.
Loved this debate, brilliant to watch. All three men made really good points, I thought Sara edged it slightly but not enough for me to believe there is not a God simply because it is faith and I don't have to prove His existence but then again I am Christian not Muslim so yeah
And he said that the believing of god is subjective, and he is right , objectively, it's impossible to prove the existence of something, outside of this universe 😉
First they said Sara is going to become aggressive .. He didn't.. He then kept touching him and asking him his name to bring on agitation.. Guys a prick
This debate should be enough to show Muslims why it makes very good sense for us Christians to believe in Jesus Christ, the incarnated son of God. The Muslim brothers present significant, yet unsubstantiated, views about God, which they fail to convincingly demonstrate. SaRa correctly asserts that the responsibility to prove a claim lies with the one who makes it. Furthermore, it's not justifiable to make an assertion and then demand others to disprove it. Conversely, SaRa's own belief system, rooted in his ancestral heritage, is well-defined yet highly personal. He acknowledges its subjectivity, emphasizing that its validity isn't contingent on others' acceptance. It's a belief deeply intertwined with his identity and self-belief. In contrast, as a Christian, I find solace in the teachings of Jesus Christ. He alleviates the intellectual struggle of defining God from an abstract perspective. By embodying both humanity and the divine logos-the rational principle through which we comprehend and connect with God-Christ offers a tangible and relatable understanding of the divine. Come to Christ, you, whoever is reading this. He is the answer.
@@jesusisjerryallahistom Allah means god Jesus is isa a prophet in Islam so yr name makes no sense Also in christianity Jesus is either god or son of God so how the name again make sense
MashaAllah. Nice video. Good arguments. Funny dialogue at times. Sara's heart with the will of Allah will become softer and softer inshaAllah and will eventually embrace Islam. InshaAllah. Sara knows the truth it just comes down to submission.
PBWY. Hilarious. We were under the impression that Sa Ra was one of those who is confused and here we note that there is a whole organization that is confused!
@theshabirshuffle. PBWY. And! exactly the response we expected. Atheists/others are fully aware that the only 'headway' they can make is to attack the person and not the arguments so nothing new there. The simple fact is that like Sa Ra the Black atheist movement is respectfully clueless about evidence and its assessment thereafter. You are nevertheless entitled to your opinions about Br Shabir on a personal note.
Sa ra (peace be upon him) asked a greaaaaat question....why does God 'want' anything if he so powerful and self-sustaining? Hijab and ali baba had nothing in response.
Brother muhammed I respect you!! Wicked stuff! Ali dawah let brother muhammed talk Yu move back you don't know what your going on about your confused.com
One of the better debates I've heard at Speakers Corner. I've watched many of Mohammed Hijab's videos, not because I'm a follower of Islam or have an interest in the religion, but because of his intellect. However, he can be a little arrogant and patronising with it on ocassion. What I like about this particular debate is that Sa Ra dismantled Mohammed Hijab by just being logical and honest and you can clearly see Mohammed Hijab looking a little bewildered and lost with the angles Sa Ra was coming from. There was no sophistry from Sa Ra or convoluted theories masquerading as truth. Sa Ra was the equivalent of an awkward Southpaw boxer squaring up to an Orthodox boxer. I think this debate was the potential catalyst that turned Mohammed Hijab and a legion of Muslims against Sara. He's logical, quick thinking, not readily cowed and willing to ask probing questions. The disheartening part of the debate was the fact that Mohammed Hijab chose not to reflect on some of the conundrums put to him and humble himself. Instead, he opted to dig his heels in, become condescending and go down fighting for deeply entrenched beliefs instead of embracing the truth.
Lol they literally tried everything but it just didn't work. They can say whatever they want but nothing will ever beat logical and rational thinking. Sara most definitely came out on top.
Carl Lunnon Because he’s sticking to logic idiot, sara is appealing to an infinite regress. Green jacket guy is ending it at the beginning. Not hard unless you have no understanding of rationality or logic
You did a good job there Sa Ra. And that's the calmest I've seen Ali too. Good debate. I think its just fear. Life for people without religion or the chance it may go away is pure fear. If I don't stay a Catholic....I'm still a man. White. A builder. A husband. A farther. I have so many causes and rights to stand up for defend and a life to lead that's just and happy. Catholicism is a small part of who I am and my role in the short time I'm here is far more than preparing for when I'm not!!! Ultimately we all need to transcend the melevolance that is life and make our mark.....a good memory of yourself held by others after your gone is a start.
Ali dawah bless you brother, the brother always fighting for islam like a full time job and goes out of his way, with all the hate and everything towards him he still carrya on... much love brother and your work is appreciated... a true representation of prophet muhammad s.a.w
Why these guys are just trying to let down other religions , what about satanic verses in so called holy book Qur'an What about Mohammed got married with Ayesha who was 6 year old What about Mohammed rapped so many bandis . And one more thing these are mentioned in their hadis ,bukari and all ..they can't deny ..but think logically if all these things are true how can they justify Qur'an is for everyone. 🤣🤣🤣
@@jaspindersingh3992 what are you talking there is nothing to be addressed Becaue you’re just insulting Islam prophet mohammed pbuh don’t rape anyone you lack the basic understanding and knowledge of Islam it’s these types of islamphobes that wanna start acting like experts
@@jaspindersingh3992 what are you even talking prophet Mohammed pbuh didn’t rape no one you lack the basic understanding and knowledge of Islam it’s always these islamophobes acting like experts of Islam
I wish brothers at the park could avoid SaRa from now on. This is wasted time which could have been used on individuals willing to listen & learn. These kind of discussions are fruitless and please stop feeding SaRas' psychological egoism!
Because Sara showed a perspective that left hijab and Ali at a loss? The questions still remain unanswered How does one describe allah What did allah use to create the universe If allah has no emotion, desire or requirement, why were we created? If the all knowing allah knows our destiny and the sinners from saints, why not just destroy the sinners??
And sara still doesn't have the meaning of subjective or objective, trying to talk like hamza. Sorry sara your still got away to go to get to hamaz platform
There is such a thing as genetic testing and be able to break down your complete DNA code and tree and find out your ansesters, its very possible especially with the technology we have today to find this out now.
fast forward a year and the big one is challenging sara to fight and Ali is calling him a dog! Theres your Islam I believe,have faith in God, yet these Muslims were made to look foolish by Sara ,as usual Trying to 'prove' God withwords is ultimately pointless. Faith is a gift from God from those who earnestly seek Him You know Gods people by their character, these muslims with their acts of violence IE challenging people to fight! Shows these people don't know God
SaRa, ive seen a few of your videos and i really like you so no offence brother, but it really does sounds like you are communicating with Jinns, not your ancestors. I think you should look into that. The biggest mystery of life is death. Dead people cannot communicate with the living as it goes against the laws of nature. I had this convo with one of my Iranian friends not long ago, He said he meditates in the dark with only one candle lit. He said after a while he started hearing a female voice speaking to him. It was a Jinn. But I hear where you are coming from and what you are trying to say. You have a right to your own belief of course. If you believe you are a "tree" it doesn't make you a tree. It makes you ill. There's a difference between belief and reality. We are not living in a twilight zone we are living in a world that has a system that we cannot deny. There is only one definition of God. God is the creator of all that exists, an all powerful eternal force . It doesn't seem realistic to say you are a God, perhaps use the term "powerful human being" instead. God created because He chose to. It's as simple as that. God can do whatever He wills it doesnt need to make sense to us. God is unfathomable He does not need to fit into our understanding of what a God should be or fit into the laws of nature that He created. Our knowledge is a drop of an ocean, Gods knowledge is as vast as the ocean.
It won't be subjective once you are harmed by one (yes, many are harmed by them ((punched in the face, strangled in sleep etc)) and also many have heard them talk). For instance, i know someone very close to me who complained of excruciating pain after a "friend" of theirs offered them a cup of tea. This person was adament the person who gave them tea put a magic spell on them because it's not the first time someone put a black magic spell on them. So weeks went by and this person started to not talk so much, a complete change in character. So I took it upon myself to contact a ruqi (a jinn catcher) I told the ruqi NOTHING about what had happened except giving him the person's name to check him. The ruqi does not know this person, does not know anyone we know as he lives on the other side of the world. Two days passed and he told me he had checked him, that this person does indeed have a magic spell on them it was done by his friend in a cup of tea (the jinn told him) to make him shut up (this person was a loud mouth). So After hours of the ruqi interrogating the jinn and reading Qur'an on him the jinn agreed to leave this person alone. This person was back to normal character after a day or two. So tell me, how would the ruqi know this? What was this about? Why do you think people like Beyonce are saying things like "I plugged my menses with pages from the Bible"? Because this act is black magic and where there is black magic there are indeed jinns. Its a very common underground practice.
Sa Ra Garvey And may I add, you are the spooky one claiming to hear voices and actually letting them "guide" u. You hypocrite. Your arguments are absolute croc. No basis no logic. Carry on paving your way to hell just don't say we didn't warn u ok.
Needing and wanting are different. God creating doesn't mean he needs to create but it doesn't mean that He doesn't have a will or want anything from us. With bringing stuff into existence, human being can only reconstruct based on the material we have whereas God can create by His will without having the materia already in existence.
