What it's like to Coach Athletes on Steroids 

I wore a Sika Strength shirt to a powerlifting meet once and got put in the geared flight two weight classes above what I weighed in as.

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So completely disregarding your comment on giving drug advice, do I take tren before or after my daily SARM dose? Also, do I take it in my morning yoghurt or cook it along with my bolognese to get that 'Pizzolato special'?

What I'm gonna take away from this video is the quote at 18:31 "No drugs is obviously ... not good" 👌

If you guys are open to it, a potential video subject could be the Soviet strength system, as I know you've mentioned in the past that it comprises the base of pretty much every national team's programming. Could also discuss the development of some national systems away from the soviet base and how they kind of added their own unique quirks. Obviously the Bulgarian system is very well-known these days, but I wonder a lot about the Georgians, Armenians, and Iranians (besides just training crazy heavy all the time). Also, does box squatting have any significant carryover for high bar backsquats, or are there just better exercises for posterior chain work besides just rdls and deads/clean pulls?

Fascinating stuff...shame this kind of info wasn't out there when I was a teenager (30 odd years ago...😄😄)

It really sounds we need to get scientists serious about making peds safe and effective for everyone. Seems like a major quality of life improvement.

I'll only do drugs if they give me the iranian power (belly), I wanna have the Moradi plumber physique

This is quite possibly the best ped-use in sports related video I have seen (and you tube is now full of chat), will be saving this one for future reference if/when the debate comes up which it frequently does. Very interesting.

Just finished my first cycle of Sikastanozolol and it made mostly good strawberry jam out of dogshit. Thanks lads.

How much tren is considered "not natty" in Sikastan?

Dude as a natty this highlights the main reason I want to hop on gear. Not to be bigger or even to reach a higher peak (directly), but because I have so many of those niggling overuse “injuries.” As I type this my shoulder, my left knee, and my right hip are all somewhat impaired at the moment. They are not causing significant amounts of pain, but are bothering me enough that progress has slowed, and it’s unclear whether time off or just continuing to push through would slow more more. I just want to be able to recover at that much faster rate, and while I recognize that it will indirectly contribute to me reaching a higher peak. The main reason I would like to be on drugs is just the enhanced recovery.

29:20 It would be interesting to hear what differences there are in programming enhanced vs natural athletes, just from a general perspective. Its clear that the potential output from training is hugely increased from PEDs, but do the approaches to training need to change drastically too? Or is it simply just go harder for longer? ;-)

So refreshing to see coaches talking about this

You get to say “dude you’re fucking yakked out of your mind but your external rotation is garbage”

really incisive insight here guys and so refreshing to get away from the ignorant and pejorative comments associated with the subject. keep up the good work

This question for you, eoin. Since you guys have trained for years, what years were you and Clarence at your absolute strongest?

Fritz is natty i guess ? What about fridge? Low test only stuff ?

Wow, 13 hours in, and no dislikes. We luv u guys

Fascinating video, lads! This is some hard to come by information, so this is much appreciated.

Thanks for the information boys

I think when people make the point about steroids growing the muscles more quickly than tendons its because in general tendons take longer to adapt and when you put on tissue at maximal speeds there is simply not enough time, enhanced or unenhanced. I do not think that the steroids provide any unique muscle-only growth but by speeding up both processes the enhanced muscle growth is just even faster than the tendon growth. Another factor is also just strength, Most naturals will drop the weight on themselves hundreds of pounds before they hit the requisite strength numbers to tear a muscle. For example chest tears, On youtube there are tons of videos of them but they are almost all giant monsters pushing unreal numbers on the bench and most naturals just arent on that level.

Is dis Smasha Shmalashmadzhe dude also on Shmugs?

Great episode today lads, really enjoyed it.

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Well. I've been convinced.

Very interesting and informative. I always learn a lot from you two. Though sometimes I have to pause & replay to figure out wtf you said because of those accents.

Could you guys possibly elaborate a little on the effects of coming off drugs? Is gains loss and potential psychological effect of it usually significant? Is is an issue at all? Thanks!

Numerous studies have explored and documented the increased injury rate among users of anabolic steroids. It’s really quite simple from a mechanistic standpoint. Anabolic steroids inhibit myostatin. Inhibiting myostatin makes the muscle larger and stronger, but also inhibiting myostatin makes the tendon brittle and more likely to rupture. just because you increase the turnover of protein and increase the rate of muscle protein synthesis does not mean that you increase the rate of turnover in the tendon and collagen synthesis. The work of Jill Cook is something you might want to read. Tendons really don’t heal or turn over once we reach adulthood.

I took testosterone simply to get an understanding of what it truly was about. They helped my recovery but if I didn't put in the effort I wasn't improving. Still requires effort.

Boi in White looks like he hits a bong before making video on Sikastan :D

One thing i dont like about weightlifting is i get a minor strain every 2ish months, since i have a physical job in a warehouse on top of lifting load management is a bit more difficult I didnt realize that people on PEDs don’t get as many strains which can hamper their training cycles

What about other types of PEDS. Any experience with EPO, Stimulants, Nootropics, Betablockers? i realise most of these are not common for weightlifting but still curious.

The statement about bodybuilding responding to more and more drugs was interesting. Dr. Mike Israetel and John Meadows didn't really agree to that, they were of the opinion that many use unnecessary amounts that they don't benefit from compared to using less, and that some would even benefit from taking less, even in bodybuilding. That in their opinion you should start with the smallest amounts and increase the dosage over the time if they're tolerating more and getting benefits, but also trying different things if they respond to something very poorly, like finding the ones that don't ruin their health from the get go if they get a lot of bad effects from something and barely benefits.

Interesting stuff.

It's so weird looking back 10 years ago, in highschool, when I knew sooo many guys on various levels of gear. Only one guy was impressive (he benched 100kgx40+ reps when he was 16-17 lol)

Hi guys, nice video. What drugs should I take?

Sounds like I need to buy one of those stanozolol dart guns!

Fantastic video, tons of information

Awesome discussion.

Excellent video!

Leaving a comment for the algorithm, but I will also ask a question in hopes that it gets answered. How do I know when I am ready for greater frequency? I am in a GPP phase that looks a lot like super total training which will slowly transition into Strongman training when I have access to those implements. Is it better to do six or seven days a week when my frequency is at its highest or six or seven sessions on 3 to 4 days a week making it that I’m training every other day?

Great video

More injuries due to PEDs is an A myth based on my experience Most help with recovery emensly, that's the biggest motivator along with performance of course.

No question on gear advice. Just wondering if you have to take enough gear to pee straight Coca cola or if some weak Coffee is already enough, to become an honorary member of Sikastan? Kidney's are probably fucked Esther way, but at least it's good for the algorythm.

You can't make Strawberry jam out of dog shit BUT if I feed my dog Strawberry jam he will shit everywhere

I did 21 weeks of linear progression fuck a but of gear and I'd have gotten another 3 weeks bummer

Awesome video!

31:20 You're kind of wrong, you should research and know basics about main PEDs and PCT. There was that case, when a well respected PEDs consultant (with clients comp winners(female BB)) literally killed a few of his clients with a stupid drug combinations and got away with that. Even a well known and respected Renaissance Periodization have recommended as a first cycle orals solo, no PCT and thinks 4 weeks won`t shut your test.

Great content

Could you speak to use of PEDs being used for coming back from injury and getting through physical therapy more quickly? I've asked my doctor about it before and she was just like, "Drugs for coming back from injury... nah... those don't exist."

Good video!

Whos name do they mention at 10.50??

thanks for the content. I wish there was a drug I could take that would make me good at converting kilos to pounds and vice versa in my head.

for the algo baby

Why don't you guys add content like this (audio only) to your podcasts?

Excellent video. I am in the military, and I have noticed that the standards have ever so slightly changed with the advent of the Internet and access to “certain things.” I have also noticed that physical fitness standards have increased dramatically even expectations in certain “schools” are vastly elevated and most certainly tailored towards enhanced individuals. Like there will be preparation programs that are just impossible for most people to sustain that type of volume, and you look at the people who can do it, and you begin asking those questions. Unfortunately, PED’s are still taboo to speak on even though so many people are on them. But what a lovely video I hope people don't ruin this type of content. You all are amazing.

Absolutely no dislikes. Fucking beautiful.

Good vidoe guys.

The tendon injuries come from estrogen blockers not steroids.

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So interesting. My sport is strongwoman, and it is much more transparent than other sports, but I'm lifetime natty and really appreciate the info you guys provide.

yes

Not as many strains on AAS ?? Vs natty ..what …..happens way more on aas …. Not as much muscle soreness tho

Get you someone who looks at you how Fitz looks at Eion 6:29

I don’t think I’m cut out to climb The Great Stanozonol Tree.

What kind of breakfast cereal do you guys prefer?

Just watch the Bro Science video 'Pros and Cons of Steroids'. It's much more in depth! 😁

“You can’t make jam out of dog shit” 😂😂😂

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Phenomenon,,..da da de da da

shmugs and shmarms for the algorithm

The reason people think drugs leave your tendons behind is part due to all the nfl athletes who tear Achilles and stuff.. hard to prove either way..

Fucking great video!

So you're saying I should stop drinking RedBull?

Algoritmo

Algooooo

Wait sika is natty?

Cracks are always good especially when you don’t have to pay the chiropractor for them. Hey guys can I borrow those deerhead phones?

For the algo x

How wonderful must it be to be a sprinter, where people would get worse when stopping the gear, they get to avoid positive tests and get better 🤣

To be fair, I think, that the only thing that I could do faster on PEDs - is bald.

My squat has gone up 10lbs over the last year. My bench went up 25lbs. OHP is the same but rep maxes are up. Deadlift is the same but is a lot bigger than my squat. Why is my squat increasing so slowly?

"more drugs more better"

Al-Gore-Rhythm

Convinced to take ped’s at 13.33

In Sikastaan, drugs do you

I might take some PEDs bc of this video /s

on average your average is above average

This video topic is very *suspicious*

im so shit that if i took ped's i'd probably be worse

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Jesus, straighten yar sign up bahhs

Drugs are bad mkay ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

What it's like to Coach Athletes on Steroids

My dad took PEDs in the '90s and died of a heart attack in 2017. Coincidence? I think NOT

very condescending