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What Makes a Good King? How Tywin Lannister Is A Strategic Grandfather 

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In this short essay, I narrate some thoughts on a particularly interesting scene with Tywin Lannister, "What Makes A Good King?" I don't own GoT; this video qualifies as fair use.
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@5elementcontrol326
@5elementcontrol326 3 года назад
Whoever cast Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister deserve an award.
@lurksnitchtongue8986
@lurksnitchtongue8986 3 года назад
I'm pretty sure George was the one who recommended Dance for the role
@htvtc21
@htvtc21 2 года назад
D & D... hate them all you want but they were taking Ws before the final seasons
@shawnjames3242
@shawnjames3242 2 года назад
@@htvtc21 the casting directors chose charles dance. Not d&d. They probably gave the final approval but after the casting directors recommend charles dance, it doesnt require much talent or skill to see that he is the perfect choice for tywins role
@htvtc21
@htvtc21 2 года назад
@@shawnjames3242 the final decision is the most important decision, your hate for D&D clouds your judgement for something which is so simple to understand. you may as well as just say D&D never ran the show or contributed anything it was just the rest of crew & cast. yall arguments just to go against D&D are so dumb.
@johnnynguyen9240
@johnnynguyen9240 2 года назад
Tich Chigorimbo I think what was so infuriating was that they no longer cared about the writing and characters in season 7 & 8. Post-Season 4 wasn’t perfect but they were at least trying. A lot people hate them because they were once good until they couldn’t give a damn anymore. A lot of anger and hate towards them because they once cared and then they don’t. What’s worse was that they stopped caring at the very final season of a series of eight years.
@rc59191
@rc59191 3 года назад
That's what I like about Tywin as cold and cruel as he can be he still treats his grandkids better than his actual children like a typical grandpa lol.
@darkySp
@darkySp 2 года назад
Well, one of his sons is viewed as a dwarf freak that killed the only person he loved during child birth, his other son swore to be King's Guard so nullifying all chances of continuing the Lannister legacy (and also breaks his life-long vow to his king and commits incest with his sister) and his daughter is a maniacal, manipulative, power-hungry, jealous and emotionally unstable dumpster fire. Can't really blame him when you put yourself in his shoes.
@fufucarlos
@fufucarlos 2 года назад
He was brilliant and stern... but fair. He was only cruel to his enemies..
@fufucarlos
@fufucarlos 2 года назад
Aside from Tyrion of course... the one thing that he was irrational about his distaste for his own son. It cost him in the end.
@alexhulea2735
@alexhulea2735 2 года назад
cold and cruel..... not likely. the man was exceedingly pragmatic. he made his bones making his family's name respected, and has 2 of the worst psychpaths completely under control. one of the best characters in ASoIAF. the only mistake he made was mistreat Tyrion. no one's perfect after all :3
@hothotheat3000
@hothotheat3000 2 года назад
He did what needed to be done. I wanted him on the throne.
@19kilo241
@19kilo241 2 года назад
I love the utter disdain in Tywin’s voice when he mentions that Robert only attended 3 small council meetings as King.
@evanl8656
@evanl8656 Год назад
I also find it fascinating that he refers to Robert as "king Robert" and not "your father"
@rykoshuxero
@rykoshuxero Год назад
@@evanl8656 that's because he probably knew the true parentage but chose to overlook it because of the scandal it would cause.
@oibruv3889
@oibruv3889 Год назад
@@rykoshuxero he did seem genuinely shocked when cersei told him, but maybe i misunderstood
@user-nw5te4mo1q
@user-nw5te4mo1q 8 месяцев назад
This shows how little Tywin understands politics. During the Ming Dynasty of China, a famous emperor NEVER went to those councils for decades and the system was running fine.
@hamsterfromabove8905
@hamsterfromabove8905 3 месяца назад
@@user-nw5te4mo1q and your take away is that a nation runs best when the highest authority is ignorant to what's going on?
@Snarflelocker
@Snarflelocker 2 года назад
The way he says, "Yesss" when Tommen says wisdom is brilliant. It conveys so much relief and pride. Pride that his grandson got it right the first time, and relief that this grandson isn't like the last.
@Malthizar
@Malthizar Год назад
He says yes that way because he was leading him down that road. Everything was a perfectly orchestrated play. He knew Tommen only had about 5 answers he could legitimately give, with wisdom (the "correct" one) eventually being stumbled upon.
@ViktoriousDead
@ViktoriousDead Год назад
@@Malthizar no
@cobaltjay9862
@cobaltjay9862 Год назад
@@Malthizar call me stupid but even after watching this scene years ago I couldn't remember or get the right answer even with Tywin's leading. Either I'm very stupid or Tommen is smarter than you're giving him credit
@YourLocalCopiumDealer
@YourLocalCopiumDealer Год назад
@@cobaltjay9862 It's a question that is present in nearly every fantasy story, with each writer/character giving their own answer. But it usually comes down to wisdom. Strenght without wisdom is barbarism, good without wisdom is naivete, faith without wisdom is fanaticism. If it's a question you never thought about, I wouldn't call that stupidity. But I do wonder why you never thought about it, because it's a question that is relevant even in our world. What would make a good president?
@DoremiFasolatido1979
@DoremiFasolatido1979 Год назад
Aside from the fact that there's no possible way Tommen could've been anything but a fuckin potato, as the product of a brother and sister. One of my cousins is the product of a father and daughter, and I wouldn't trust her to tie her own shoes. She's nice, and she's not an invalid, but I've seen lemmings with more going on upstairs.
@nabeelhussain1372
@nabeelhussain1372 3 года назад
"Boy I hate hearing my own voice after Charles Dance" don't we all brother
@anaionescu8913
@anaionescu8913 3 года назад
Wait, who said that?
@nabeelhussain1372
@nabeelhussain1372 3 года назад
@@anaionescu8913 ...the guy in the video?
@romanshibilski7093
@romanshibilski7093 3 года назад
@@anaionescu8913 Jesus you make me worry about humanity
@marinefougeres3565
@marinefougeres3565 3 года назад
Even as a girl I get that xD
@AndiGravity
@AndiGravity 3 года назад
Well, I mean, Jason Isaacs exists, so surely we don't _all_ hate our own voices after hearing Charles Dance.
@TheSniperpal
@TheSniperpal 3 года назад
That “YESSS” might have just been the happiest we ever saw Tywin. His excitement to have a competent ruler on the throne is heartwarming
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 3 года назад
That's one of my favorite feelings, when one of my students gives exactly the answer I was looking for, without me having had to give them any but the tiniest of nudges in the right direction.
@miquebts
@miquebts 3 года назад
That was manipulation
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 3 года назад
@@miquebts Every interaction you have with another human where you want them to do something, involves manipulation to one degree or another.
@miquebts
@miquebts 3 года назад
@@SRosenberg203 the point is that he fooled the kid and the guy who posted the first comment, he wasn't happy, he was just playing a role to manipulate
@Gunleaver
@Gunleaver 2 года назад
He was not giving competent advice. He was gaslighting Tommen into believing he needed to do whatever Tywin said. If Tommen is old enough to physically perform a sex act, he is very close to the age where he will rule in his own right, and Tywin wants him to think he will still have to listen to him. If Tommen doesn't want to listen to Tywin, he can always find people who will be happy to take Tywin out for the chance at royal favor. Edward III basically carried out a coup against his regent, his own mother, at a similar age to Tommen, by finding people who wanted to be in the good graces of the guy who would be ruling the country for the next 50 years. Tywin shoots down all of Tommen's ideas about good qualities, because they are things Tommen can get without him. Tommen can act strong without Tywin, and might take strength to mean "do it myself instead of asking for help like a weakling". Tommen can be holy without him, and striving for holiness means he would listen to religious authorities instead of Tywin. Tommen can be just without Tywin, he can listen to his own conscience and read the laws. What Tywin is aiming for is convincing Tommen that he NEEDS to listen to Tywin, that listening to other people is the most desirable attribute. He says "wisdom" and Tywin spins "wisdom" to mean doing what people who are wiser say. The YESSS is to encourage, via positive reinforcement, Tommen to please Tywin, by acting impressed and validating him when he gives the answer Tywin wants. It is because Tommen finally hit on a quality Tywin could spin to illustrate that he, Tywin, should continue to call the shots, even though he has only come as far as he has thanks to a lot of good luck, and he was getting his ass kicked by a kid fighting his first war, and his golden children did a lot of put the Lannisters in a spotty starting position, and they are relying heavily on the Tyrells for money and manpower, to the extent that an old woman of House Tyrell can talk shit to his face.
@IvoryTower779
@IvoryTower779 7 месяцев назад
TACTICAL GRANDFATHER INCOMING
@idatethefatkid
@idatethefatkid 2 года назад
Another reason why Tywin isn't harsh and domineering with Tommen is because he doesn't need to be. Tywin is normally up against people who are just as arrogant and power-hungry as he is, but now he is up against a shy little boy who views Tywin with unquestioning authority. Dominance is already established, so all Tywin has to do is show Tommen that he can be trusted.
@ColeArmstrongSF
@ColeArmstrongSF Год назад
But he failed to teach him that not everyone can or should be trusted
@pontiusaquila6907
@pontiusaquila6907 Год назад
@@ColeArmstrongSF well I think he was trying to express that when he shared the story about the just king who was murdered by his own brother
@tomdanks3427
@tomdanks3427 3 месяца назад
​@@ColeArmstrongSFhe would have succeeded if he did not die
@graylonperson9012
@graylonperson9012 2 месяца назад
great point
@MisterPeckingOrder
@MisterPeckingOrder 2 месяца назад
@@tomdanks3427Maybe he died because he didn’t succeed. Tommen took one look at the consequences of his actions (or rather inaction) and realized what was happening was because of the course of events he played a role in, and the weight crushed him.
@mitchellmahurin3465
@mitchellmahurin3465 3 года назад
"I'm not trying to trick you" is such a good line for Tywin to put Tommen at ease and help him remember that he is still Tywin's grandson.
@Gunleaver
@Gunleaver 2 года назад
Rather it speaks to his own reputation, that Tommen is afraid of this.
@mitchellmahurin3465
@mitchellmahurin3465 2 года назад
@@Gunleaver thats true, never thought of it that way.
@tommenbaratheon3612
@tommenbaratheon3612 2 года назад
Aye
@johnturcio4500
@johnturcio4500 2 года назад
Delivery is key
@hothotheat3000
@hothotheat3000 2 года назад
And his line delivery is very warm. I think Tywin likes kids because he is similarly warm to Arya while she’s under disguise. Kids have no ulterior motives, no guile. He can let his guard down a bit with them.
@PescadoDelDiablo
@PescadoDelDiablo 3 года назад
Tommen is his one chance to finally mold a competent heir to his legacy.
@lastbaratheon8043
@lastbaratheon8043 3 года назад
From Tywins pov I agree with you. Tyrion was the ready made package but he came a bit short so....
@hsgame4088
@hsgame4088 3 года назад
@@lastbaratheon8043 lmao
@succulentchinesemeals
@succulentchinesemeals 3 года назад
Was
@snefff6560
@snefff6560 3 года назад
Was*
@peenerbob8020
@peenerbob8020 3 года назад
@@succulentchinesemeals you probably just spoiled it for this guy
@cattuslavandula
@cattuslavandula Год назад
This is one of Tywin's smoothest moments. I love when he effortlessly guided the boy away from his mother. The power changed hands right before our eyes, easily, subtly.
@fakeplaystore7991
@fakeplaystore7991 7 месяцев назад
Having Tywin Lannister give you the birds and the bees talk surely would be an unique experience.
@WillNelson73
@WillNelson73 3 года назад
Tywin was actually a good teacher of children. Just see the scenes between him and Arya as well as his telling the story of teaching Jamie to read even when the Maesters could not. He is a quite good instructor that teaches young people the way the world is
@arcaneprince
@arcaneprince 3 года назад
Yes, he is basically THE archetype for paternal insight - stern, instructive, critical, strong. Good thought!
@lampcrow5453
@lampcrow5453 3 года назад
And this scene, honestly, is the one where he acts bar none the most grandfatherly in his own way. Besides Arya, Tommen is definitely the character he is nicest to.
@WillNelson73
@WillNelson73 3 года назад
@El Lorenzo couldn't have been much fun for Tywin, either. And in the end, he got results out of Jaimie that the maesters did not. I taught my sons to read when they were little. My sons were not dyslexic, but I learned that teaching is a skill set that requires patience.
@ultron-5600
@ultron-5600 3 года назад
@El Lorenzo what are you talking about? Maybe from where you are but things are different in America and Western Europe. Girls have all the opportunities to learn how to read and become knowledgeable and educated in any field of their choosing.
@anthonygonzalez2897
@anthonygonzalez2897 3 года назад
@El Lorenzo where are you from?
@robertdaiglejr
@robertdaiglejr 3 года назад
The only thing he lacked was compassion. If Tyrion was on his side I’m sure they’d be unstoppable.
@NoRegs30
@NoRegs30 3 года назад
And in the end it killed him But yes, the Lannister family United would be unstoppable, they are some of the best players of the Game of Thrones bar Varys, little finger and some others
@sydneysomething
@sydneysomething 3 года назад
I think also his wife dying whom we are led to believe he loved made him shut down his compassionate side
@thomasfevre9515
@thomasfevre9515 3 года назад
On the end, the broken relationship with Tyrion was his downfall, his one blindspot.
@runtergerutscht4401
@runtergerutscht4401 3 года назад
@Gregor Heisenhorn kinda ironic, really. Seeing how his lack of compassion for Tyrion killed him. Tywin was smart but he didn't understand that the key to excellence is balancing things as need be. He saw compassion destroy his father, so he lost his, instead of limiting it. In the end, that is why he died. He had the most magnificient son he could have wanted but he threw him away.
@AaSs-ln9mm
@AaSs-ln9mm 3 года назад
Oh really? He failed to even find his heir a wife. Jof is Barateon, so what about all this crap about "family"?
@MmaMadman85
@MmaMadman85 Год назад
Tywin is the grandfather everyone wants but the father nobody wants. He was cold and hard on his children to better his household but with his grandchildren or even Arya he shows patience, a sense of humor, playfulness, and a soft charm that shows how human he can be. Its either the man he wishes he could have been to his children showing itself to youth as he grows older OR he is truly a master manipulator that knows exactly how to manipulate anyone of any age. Either way its scary impressive.
@artinaam
@artinaam Год назад
It's probably because he is mostly disappointed with his own children and thus rarely shows any positive feelings towards them. Jaime made poor life decisions in his eyes (becoming a "glorified bodyguard", not a true heir to the family), Cersei is blinded with her own arrogance, despite being a smart and capable person ("I don't distrust you because you're a woman, I distrust you because you're not as smart as you think you are") and Tyrion, being a dwarf and a witty free-thinker who doesn't give a damn about "living for the family", is definitely not an ideal son in Tywin's eyes.
@Em-ih5du
@Em-ih5du Год назад
@@artinaam And yet Tywin was able to recognize that Tyrion is no fool and asked him to serve as hand of the king. Tywin is no fool either. He's able to set aside his disdain when he recognizes good qualities in people.
@Em-ih5du
@Em-ih5du Год назад
The Tywin-Aria scenes are my favorite of the whole series. I was so disappointed they weren't in the book :(
@pontiusaquila6907
@pontiusaquila6907 Год назад
@@Em-ih5du Tbh I always thought the move of sending Tyrion to act as hand was a bit more of a cunning political maneuver than just that he trusted his son. What seems more likely to me is that Tywin could predict the unrest that would grow in Kings Landing as the war worsened, and probably wanted to shield himself some from the political backlash that would come with being hand during such bad times. By sending Tyrion, he allows himself to focus on the war, while also using Tyrion as a PR shield to take the peoples ire, as the hand responsible for the cities woes in their eyes.
@Morganasnotarobot0
@Morganasnotarobot0 Год назад
Lord Twyinn ~ Charles Damce ~ Almost A Perfection Of A Role Almost surreal Indeed Of A finer Lordship Warrior, Gemtleman, Liege, Master, perhaps, someOftheWisest! May Prevail🗡️ ❤️🗡️
@revengance4149
@revengance4149 8 месяцев назад
also remember that Tywin made up King Orys 1. the Gaslighting is crazy
@theblackpearlofbraavos
@theblackpearlofbraavos 3 года назад
"A testament to her failures as a mother and a disciplinarian..." AND a ruler. Especially in the books.
@runtergerutscht4401
@runtergerutscht4401 3 года назад
Cersei fucks up anything she touches. Useful if you need to destroy your enemies, less so if you want to build a kingdom, or raise two children.
@swaghauler8334
@swaghauler8334 3 года назад
"Wisdom is a product of Experience, and Experience is often the product of poor choices." Mark Twain.
@tedwojtasik8781
@tedwojtasik8781 7 месяцев назад
Love it, only Charles Dance could transition from a missive about wisdom and kingship to scoring some vag and somehow make it all sound just perfect 🙂
@mattking9769
@mattking9769 8 месяцев назад
charles dance, amazing actor, underapreciated...
@tysonreesmusic
@tysonreesmusic 3 года назад
Not once during this scene does Tywin tell Tommen that he is wrong. He first acknowledges and approves each of Tommen's answers as having some merit, and only then does he masterfully offer a counterpoint in the form of a failed past king.
@arcaneprince
@arcaneprince 3 года назад
Yes! Excellent way to not alienate the kid while still being instructive.
@janosvymer5953
@janosvymer5953 2 года назад
@@arcaneprince it’s not supposed to be instructive. But rather manipulative
@ramasodimalete2699
@ramasodimalete2699 2 года назад
Ten times better than my school teachers who constantly demean me
@blowdagator9181
@blowdagator9181 2 года назад
Yeah he's wanting to make Tommen enthusiastic so he is more responsive to counsel
@RuggedPanther
@RuggedPanther 2 года назад
@@janosvymer5953 It can be both you know.
@samuelbattershell3413
@samuelbattershell3413 3 года назад
I think, in this scene, Tywin legitimately and truthfully wants to make Tommen the best King Tommen could be.
@grandadmiralthrawn9231
@grandadmiralthrawn9231 3 года назад
If Tywin and Tommen had lived then he would have definitely built Tommen into the best king there had ever been. I think at this point he had given up on his children so he wanted his legacy to live on through Tommen
@VVV953
@VVV953 3 года назад
Tywin and Tommen could have been the lesser of two evils
@josuediaz-robin689
@josuediaz-robin689 3 года назад
Agreed, but he still wanted to accomplish that by manipulating Tommen
@lkaseru
@lkaseru 3 года назад
@@VVV953 probably lowest of most if not all evils
@williamwhitfield6225
@williamwhitfield6225 3 года назад
@@lkaseru I don’t think it really is though, I don’t see Tywin as being evil at all. He’s a intelligent man who’s living in a ruthless world. He doesn’t take joy in killing he just does what he thinks he has to for his family to survive in this game of power. But Tywin would only be more of the same, the same system that has the realm constantly squabbling and fighting over power. Just look what happens when he dies, it creates a immediate power vacuum and everything goes to shit. No one is there to check the family and keep the other powerful families in fear. Change was what the realm really needed and unfortunately true change on a grand scale never comes without bloodshed on a massive scale. As Littlefinger said chaos is a ladder, and through the chaos of the wars for the throne a slightly better system was introduced.
@jeremyredandblueify
@jeremyredandblueify 7 месяцев назад
I would want Tywin be my teacher too. He is wise and that’s his grandfather that cares about furthering his family line.
@LewdDawg
@LewdDawg Месяц назад
Excellently structured presentation.
@TraciPeteyforlife
@TraciPeteyforlife 3 года назад
Tywin was good at teaching children who he saw good qualities in. Arya an Tommen were both smart an he knew they were worth his time.
@svenlauke1190
@svenlauke1190 2 года назад
...when...when was Tommen smart?
@MAui8BLac
@MAui8BLac Год назад
@@svenlauke1190 perhaps he meant tommen was humble, and he honestly could’ve been hella smart/wise wit Margery as his wife and Tywin as his hand adviser. But for sure tommen was young smart.
@svenlauke1190
@svenlauke1190 Год назад
@@MAui8BLac I mean...he was easily manipulated. thats the opposite of smart for me.
@Drxyz-tk6le
@Drxyz-tk6le Год назад
@@svenlauke1190 he did not know how babies are created. And got crazy with teenage hormones. Got a crazy mother guiding him Best of men are brought down by women. He had two cutthroat bitches eating at his head.
@MCSPARTAN501
@MCSPARTAN501 Год назад
@@svenlauke1190 Tommen wasn't especially smart but he was teachable. In time, Tywin would have taught him how to make good decisions without being utterly reliant on other people. Margaery would have been able to manipulate him anyway, but she's very smart herself. The realm would have prospered all the same with her helping Tommen rule.
@taylorbabe182
@taylorbabe182 3 года назад
I will always love the way tywin says "yessss" after tommen says wisdom 😂 fuck amazing actor Charles dancer
@SamuelSy
@SamuelSy 3 года назад
you can feel that he was really happy that tommen got that lol
@hothotheat3000
@hothotheat3000 2 года назад
“Finally, I got a winner in this family.”
@everythingisawesome2903
@everythingisawesome2903 Год назад
Ah yes, Dancer
@DerekRabanal
@DerekRabanal Год назад
Loved this video , great job
@StefanWinchester
@StefanWinchester 7 месяцев назад
God imagine getting the talk from tywin lannister lol
@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer
@Hawaiian_Pizza_Enjoyer 3 года назад
I think the interesting thing about the scene where Tywin advises Tommen about what makes a good king is that Tommen unfortunately becomes another example of a king whose positive character trait became his personal downfall. Baelor the Blessed fasted himself to death because of his devotion. Orys I. was murdered by his brother because he didn’t see the evil in front of him. Robert was strong but not interested in ruling. And Tommen, aspiring to be a wise king, listened to and counted on so many advisors, councilors and experts that he ended up barely making any own choices and was controlled and played by people who had their own interests in mind.
@arcaneprince
@arcaneprince 3 года назад
Quite insightful. I hadn't thought of that.
@grantwiler8068
@grantwiler8068 3 года назад
Unfortunate, but not a wrong move by Tommen. His best advisor was killed and the rest were incompetent
@SamerAN1985
@SamerAN1985 3 года назад
@Alvi Syahri tywin isn't an idiot he knows he's old but there's a world of difference between him dying while tommem is a kid who doesn't have s clue what to do and dying later after imparting as much wisdom and experience as he could tyrion ruined that but then again tywin ruined tyrion so i guess he had it coming
@joshuawebber388
@joshuawebber388 3 года назад
The fuck is orys the 1st
@ulfjohnsen6203
@ulfjohnsen6203 3 года назад
The one statment he failed to make was that «a wise king learns to tell the difference between good advice from bad»
@aurorasilverthorne
@aurorasilverthorne 3 года назад
Tommen would've been a great king with Margaery beside him as his wife and Tywin as his advisor. Cersei was the problem. If they'd sent her away the moment Tommen was crowned and married, things might have ended differently and on a much better note for all of them. Like Tywin said in the show, Cersei isn't as smart as she believes she is, and she was a hindrance to her family and her children not a help or an asset to them.
@thepredator9002
@thepredator9002 3 года назад
Tywin did try, he just died before he could
@aurorasilverthorne
@aurorasilverthorne 3 года назад
@@thepredator9002 True.
@NoRegs30
@NoRegs30 3 года назад
@@thepredator9002 His Sins finally caught up to him in the end
@keighlancoe5933
@keighlancoe5933 3 года назад
I don't think so, no offence. He would have meant well, but he would have tried to be a friend to everybody and enemy to no-one. He was just too nice and too soft, the schemes and machinations by nobles at court would have eaten him alive. Tommen would have made a great Maester, but a King...I think the only way he could become competent at that is if he experienced alot of misfortune and hardship and it hardened his character somewhat. Tommen is basically Tytos Lannister all over again.
@aurorasilverthorne
@aurorasilverthorne 3 года назад
@@keighlancoe5933 I don't agree with you, but you're entitled to your opinion. Most young children are naive and well meaning. In time Tommen would've wisened up to the way the world is, especially with Tywin and Margaery by his side to guide him and to show him how people really were. Children are not born with common sense. They must be taught and Cersei had little to do with her two younger children because she was doting over Joffrey. Never mistake kindess for weakness. Tommen needed time to grow and learn, but he didn't get it because of self-serving embaciles like Cersei who actually thought they knew what was best for the realm.
@goatgary1
@goatgary1 Месяц назад
Great video my man
@Rolltidewhiskey
@Rolltidewhiskey 2 года назад
He was also intelligent enough to not want the crown.
@princevesperal
@princevesperal 3 года назад
Tywin legitimately wants Tommen to be a good king. Sure, he absolutely expects to be the main advisor in charge behind the throne, but what he cares most about is his legacy. Tywin knows he is no longer a young man. He does not want to hold on to absolute power for himself, only to see his efforts annihilated once he's dead because he left a meek, impotent king in charge.
@olumideaduloju6409
@olumideaduloju6409 3 года назад
Funny cos that's what happened. Left a week and impotent king in charge and his legacy was ruined. Tyrion was who he should have looked to. But "dwarves are bastards in their father's eyes".
@DM-Oz
@DM-Oz 3 года назад
@@olumideaduloju6409 To be fair, Tyrion wasnt as good as he believed himself to be
@crazyscotsman9327
@crazyscotsman9327 2 года назад
@@DM-Oz Still better then his siblings. Cersai is the worse ruler ever besides maybe Baelor the blessed.
@DM-Oz
@DM-Oz 2 года назад
@@crazyscotsman9327 Jaime(pos losting hand at least) could had been a good ruler if he cared enough to try, he is not the best, but he knows that but he seemed to be kind of good at understanding the people following him, at least is what it seemed during his PoV as Lord Commander
@OrDuneStudios
@OrDuneStudios 2 года назад
@@olumideaduloju6409 He wasmt expecting to get capped on the shitter
@abduljah9355
@abduljah9355 3 года назад
1:47 Tywin: "He was murdered in his sleep by his own brother." Tommen: "I think I'm safe from that danger."
@tommenbaratheon3612
@tommenbaratheon3612 2 года назад
Yeah I'm so nice who would want to kill me
@michaelflood2622
@michaelflood2622 2 года назад
@@tommenbaratheon3612 didn't you get killed by lord karlstark . Looked like you
@tommenbaratheon3612
@tommenbaratheon3612 2 года назад
@@michaelflood2622 n o
@Elysium346
@Elysium346 2 года назад
Tywin's response: Ah but that is where you misunderstand, think carefully; if one's own brother, one's own blood, is capable of thrusting a cold blade into your heart at an opportune moment, then why believe that any servant, or guard, or councillor would be unwilling to do the same. Its not just about watching one's family Tommen, its about being conscientious in every interaction.
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx Год назад
@@tommenbaratheon3612 In another life-a German soldier.
@rashidhairi3681
@rashidhairi3681 7 месяцев назад
It shows different between how was Ned Stark approached Joffrey and how was Tywin approached Tommen. What a wise man!
@rgnandanshetty2950
@rgnandanshetty2950 7 месяцев назад
Wow, what an amazing way to teach, any one can become a king if he has Tywin Lannister as his mentor❤
@conman1u808
@conman1u808 3 года назад
The casting of Charles Dance as Twyin was incredible
@cinderluna
@cinderluna 3 года назад
the more I see of Tywin the more I realise how we was by far the best character ain the show and the show really tumbled in dialogue and story after he died
@arcaneprince
@arcaneprince 3 года назад
Strongly agreed! And Charles Dance was one of the most well-cast actors ever.
@Slechy_Lesh
@Slechy_Lesh 3 года назад
Yeah, I can see why one could feel that. But we all know the real reason.
@thalmoragent9344
@thalmoragent9344 3 года назад
@@Slechy_Lesh Combination of both perhaps 😓 Imagine how he would've been if he lived to season 8? They'd have ruined him too... maybe it's best he died sooner than later
@Roycesraphim1
@Roycesraphim1 3 года назад
@@thalmoragent9344 probably would have taken rumors of the white Walker threat seriously and sent more lannister and Royal soldiers to the wall rather than do nothing.
@thalmoragent9344
@thalmoragent9344 3 года назад
@@Roycesraphim1 Exactly. He may have pulled extra strings but either way, he would've likely helped
@MrOverHeels
@MrOverHeels 2 года назад
I love how Tywin just Ignore Cersei's "This is hardly the time and place"
@manicpixiefangirl4189
@manicpixiefangirl4189 2 года назад
Because it is exactly the time and place. Little Joff is the perfect example of failure.
@jeffmusyoka1876
@jeffmusyoka1876 2 года назад
That's power
@sirtrevis
@sirtrevis Месяц назад
@@jeffmusyoka1876Thank you for saying this. I noticed and appreciated it immediately.
@JackobJackob32
@JackobJackob32 2 года назад
0:15 "I am going to play the scene first and then deliver the analysis" Is it weird that i was so positively surprised, that intro was not 2 minutes long and he let the scene play without interruption? Such a small difference and it makes such a big impact
@Mandl7739
@Mandl7739 3 года назад
God, Tywin is amazing and Charles played him amazingly, I honestly think Tywin would have been a great king
@Confederate-hj2dc
@Confederate-hj2dc 3 года назад
I think so too. Out of all the villains in GOT, he is the one villain who I would’ve seen win in the end. My second pick would be the High Sparrow and the third would be Stannis Baratheon. Agree or disagree, these three men were not as evil or horrible as most people seem to think if you think about it.
@doomdrake123
@doomdrake123 3 года назад
The speech of Pycelle at his funeral was awesome in the books.
@JarenLemon
@JarenLemon 3 года назад
He was a King in a way since Aerys Targaryen was a Mad Man who was terrible with his judgement and it was Tywin as his advisor that the Seven kingdoms prospered for a time, until Aerys started being a Dick and making Tywin suffer with underhanded tricks
@JnEricsonx
@JnEricsonx 3 года назад
@@Confederate-hj2dc High Sparrow, no. I can't trust anyone who does everything in the name of religion.
@Confederate-hj2dc
@Confederate-hj2dc 3 года назад
@@JnEricsonx maybe he wasn’t as religious as you think and that he was using religion to get the radical faith militant and peasants on his side. We will never know, but other leaders have done it in the past.
@StevieSeagal
@StevieSeagal 8 месяцев назад
When people dont listen to you, when people stare at their goddamn phones when you talk, when people do not respect you. You REMOVE them from your life, promptly.
@ChristianSandviknes
@ChristianSandviknes Год назад
One small detail from Tywin and Tommen is that when Joffrey was being poisoned, Tywin immediately ran to cover Tommen's eyes to shield him from the horrors
@user-ok3xt6mq5g
@user-ok3xt6mq5g Год назад
where is it said?
@user-ok3xt6mq5g
@user-ok3xt6mq5g Год назад
@@ChristianSandviknes Thank you!
@ChristianSandviknes
@ChristianSandviknes Год назад
@@user-ok3xt6mq5g No problem!
@rmhuff
@rmhuff 11 месяцев назад
Good catch! At 2:25, you can see in the background Tywin covering Tommen's eyes!!
@connie4937
@connie4937 9 месяцев назад
I never caught that!
@OriginalGazGoose
@OriginalGazGoose 3 года назад
I don't think that Tywin was actually manipulating Tommen, at least deliberately. I think that he is genuinely trying to create a good king in Tommen, to create at least one lasting legacy.
@johnhein2539
@johnhein2539 3 года назад
Tommen was quiet, polite, boring, but dammit if he wasn’t the Lannister’s last chance for a good king. Especially with Tywin as his teacher. The day would have come where he would have stood up and shown mercy against Tywin’s wishes, and though angry and trying to argue initially, part of Tywin would have been proud.
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 3 года назад
Tywin was trying to create a "Good King" by his standard of what a "Good King" means, which means a King that furthers the prestige and power of his own House, and puts that over the needs of the individual. Tywin saw that Tommen was malleable, and wanted to shape Tommen's ideology to match his own: Tommen's rule, following Twyin's beliefs, would be Tywin's ultimate legacy.
@SRosenberg203
@SRosenberg203 3 года назад
@Anjelica Snorcket Oh yeah, I wasn't trying to make an indictment of Tywin, I admire him greatly. I was just pointing out that he wasn't trying to create a "Good King" the way Jon Snow might imagine a "Good King" to be, for the sole purpose of best protecting the people. I agree though, that in the long run, that probably would have been the best thing for Westeros as a whole.
@kylepedersen1680
@kylepedersen1680 3 года назад
This was also why he was having the sex talk right away imo. They needed a Lannister heir.
@MollymaukT
@MollymaukT 2 года назад
Tywin legitimately wanted Tommen to be his heir. He was all about ensuing a lasting legacy to his house and with the clock ticking on his life he needed to take the time he had left to mold Tommen (who was a less than ideal material, but at least was more malleable than Joffrey) into a suitable king.
@bridgetbrennan6615
@bridgetbrennan6615 3 года назад
I think part of what made Tywin such a good teacher was that he didn’t treat Tommen like an incompetent little boy. He spoke to him as an equal and took the time to explain why he thought the way he did. Never thought I’d say this, but we need teachers like Tywin Lannister.
@renewalacumen1770
@renewalacumen1770 2 года назад
A class main purpose is to fumble and make mistakes. You make mistakes in the class to teach you wrong from right, and thus have experience.
@Elthenar
@Elthenar Год назад
Tywin was ruthless in defense of his family and position but he'd be a damned good person to have as a friend. He was as close to a perfect ruler as there was, he just had one blind spot and that was his own children.He couldn't stop Cersei from poisoning Jamie and he couldn't handle the fact his wife died giving birth to a dwarf.
@nMsFreeStyleZ
@nMsFreeStyleZ 2 года назад
Great content, eagerly awaiting more
@FamilyLifeRadioVideo
@FamilyLifeRadioVideo 2 года назад
The tragedy is that had Tyrion not murdered Tywin, we may have actually seen a stable and functional kingdom with Tommen as king and Tywin as hand.
@jasonsandhu3760
@jasonsandhu3760 Год назад
Drogon : hold my beer 🍺
@KNByam
@KNByam Год назад
@@jasonsandhu3760 lmao
@BudzBunny422
@BudzBunny422 Год назад
I completely agree.
@bryb2644
@bryb2644 Год назад
Which is the tragedy of Tywin. With all of his experience and intelligence, he failed in guiding his own family. It was almost as if he took pleasure in seeing all of his children suffer.
@shurikentuna
@shurikentuna Год назад
That is the irony. Tywin being the refined nobleman and wise tactician was murdered while taking a sh*t.
@sankarkrishnan407
@sankarkrishnan407 3 года назад
Tywin's great mistake was underestimate Tyrion. He never accepted it.
@JoshSweetvale
@JoshSweetvale 3 года назад
Tywin knew Tyrion was smart. But he hated him for getting his wife killed during childbirth. So Tywin ruined any chance for Tyrion to have love. For Tywin to admit to himself he was executing a revenge plot against his own son, would've meant dealing with the emotions. As a Westerlander, you repress, repress, repress :D And forget to think of your son as a human being right where it hurts.
@Xerxes2005
@Xerxes2005 3 года назад
Tywin's greatest mistake was to only care about threats coming from the outside of his family, while not caring about what was happening inside his family, being totaly blind about the twins' incestuous relationship and Tyrion. When you think about it, the Starks and Lannisters are complete opposites. While the Lannisters cared only about the outside and projecting their power upon other houses, the Starks were all about the inside, not really caring about the other kingdoms of the realm. Both attitudes proved to be their undoing.
@runtergerutscht4401
@runtergerutscht4401 3 года назад
@@Xerxes2005 A shame, especially if you consider just how great both houses were. Instead of cooperating to build the strongest kingdom, they mauled each other to death while the white walkers rose beyond the wall
@4zafinc
@4zafinc 3 года назад
His mistake was underestimating bonding between Jamie and Tyrion
@MollymaukT
@MollymaukT 2 года назад
@@JoshSweetvale Not only because of that. He hated that of all his children the dwarf that got his wife killed was the one that inherited all the family brain.
@sciencefictiongeek14
@sciencefictiongeek14 3 года назад
One of the mistakes the series made in Season 7, was that even with Tywin gone, Tommen still had a good advisor, namely Sir Kevin Lannister, who is described as a slightly lesser version of Tywin. Ultimately, Varys has to kill him because he's been too effective at making Tommen a good king. The show, of course, completely fucked that up.
@arraikcruor6407
@arraikcruor6407 2 года назад
I really liked the actor for Kevan Lannister. What a wasted opportunity.
@dickenstom
@dickenstom 2 года назад
They stopped introducing the new characters that were essential to good story telling. Victorian Greyjoy and Quinton Martell for starters. No Arther Cunnington or Old Grif either. The show could have been great
@misabelrodriguez1163
@misabelrodriguez1163 2 года назад
@@dickenstom Could you or anyone tell me why in all seven hells did they decide to not do any of the other storylines and thus butchering the show and all the character arcs (Like Dany's and Jamie's)?
@BType13X2
@BType13X2 2 года назад
@@misabelrodriguez1163 Bit late for a response but they stopped for the same reason why they compressed the final 2 seasons into 1. They were tired of game of thrones and wanted to move on to big hollywood blockbusters dangled before them. However they screwed the ending so badly that all those offers for movies and other series disappeared pretty much over night. They also ran out of source material and started believing their hype that they could finish the story better / do a better job than the author of the book. And fun fact they only got the job because they got a meeting with GRRM and told him who Jon Snows parents were, something that most fans who read the books had pieced together years ago. But they had connections, so they got to make the show, the first seasons were almost carbon copies of the books, then they ran out of source material and screwed it all up, but not listening to GRRM's input anymore.
@Noicul
@Noicul 8 месяцев назад
Ah, inception. Genius.
@adamhill3691
@adamhill3691 Год назад
What a great and informative video! Well done.
@dblundz
@dblundz 3 года назад
When Tommen says wisdom Tywin’s yes is almost the closest we see him to happy or glad. Like there’s a chance still with his family. Never notice that before 2:48
@Geeko170
@Geeko170 2 года назад
The one redeeming quality we see in all Lannisters we meet in the show, they love their family. Cerci loves her children, Jamie loves his sister, and Tyrion loves them both. But Tywin loves his family beyond his children. He wanted to see House Lannister rise from the mess his father made of it.
@joels5150
@joels5150 Год назад
Tywin loved Jamie, tolerated Cersei and despised Tyrion (for things he had no control over). He didn’t love his house per se, but he had a mixture of pride and duty (like Stannis). He saw how low his father’s weakness brought his once proud house down, and made it his life’s mission to leave the Lannisters as powerful and influential as they could be, under the established rules of Westeros (initially, the Targarean Dynasty, and afterwards, supposedly setting up his grandchildren as heirs to the new Baratheon line). By most accounts the kingdoms were at their best while he was hand to Aerys, before their falling out. Tywin was unquestionably one of the most effective Hands of all time. Aerys went and ruined it by insulting Tywin’s marriage proposal of Cersei to Rhaegar, and also possibly raping Joanna (Tywin’s wife).
@joelembiid3105
@joelembiid3105 2 года назад
Tywin is such a good Double Grandpa
@afont13
@afont13 2 месяца назад
Tywin’s advice is amazing, I wish this scene were in the books
@11_Brad_11
@11_Brad_11 3 года назад
I really like this format of focusing in on one scene in great detail. Thanks for the great content and happy I got recommended your channel!
@hanswurscht6625
@hanswurscht6625 Год назад
"Any man who must say 'I am the king' is no true king" Best quote of the whole show.
@tommasosacco3937
@tommasosacco3937 Год назад
Thanks for mentioning a book that really sparked my curiosity - gonna check it out.
@flyercurse
@flyercurse 2 месяца назад
I love he tells Tommen that his answers are wrong without telling his answers are wrong, if only teachers were like this
@Paal2005
@Paal2005 3 года назад
Jamie being the first one that actually ask Tommen how he is,,,
@datuangela
@datuangela 2 года назад
Daddy of the year
@heyupchum
@heyupchum Год назад
The way he removes Tommen from Cersei's control. He knows that if his bloodline, through his Baratheon descendants, is to continue, and his family is to endure, he cant have Tommen under Cersei's vindictive, selfish and narrowminded hand. I also love the way that you can see how well Lena Headey acts this out, just by her expressions, you see she knows she is being removed from influence over Tommen.
@onivid999
@onivid999 2 года назад
"It's all relatively straight forward, you stick em with the pointy end"
@birgaripadam7112
@birgaripadam7112 2 года назад
A good essay you have a new subscribe
@peter-paulkutschlojenga7336
@peter-paulkutschlojenga7336 2 года назад
Two other great tywin moments: 1. Sansa and Tyrions wedding, Joffrey steals the little steps so Tyrion can't put the mantle over Sansa's shoulders. The people start laughing, but since Tyrion was a lannister, that would put shame on his name as well so Tywin just turns around with a deadly stare and the whole crowd goes silent instantly. 2. Joffrey is commanding Tywin from the Iron Throne and Tywin calmly walks up the steps towards Joffrey, he's so calm but yet so intimidating that even Joffrey felt like he had to shut up.
@Randall_Kildare
@Randall_Kildare Год назад
My personal favorite scenes in the whole of GoT ( other than 'Hardhome' ) were the ones he shared with Arya while she was his cup girl at Harrenhall. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-A8Wr-yrAL1c.html
@marchlander1
@marchlander1 Год назад
My favorite of Tywin was probably when him, Tyrion and Cersei disguss weddings. Specialy at the end when she would not stop running her mouth, he quickly stands and says:"Not another word of it!" Pauses and continues:"My children.... You disgraced the Lannister name for far too long!"
@webdevgaur
@webdevgaur 3 года назад
This wasn't manipulation. He was teaching his grandson. He himself lives by this code of getting the counsel of wise men. Just look at the several meetings he has had where he asks for the counsel of his generals and then takes decisions
@user-rq8yl9jj6r
@user-rq8yl9jj6r 2 месяца назад
The way tywin saids yes is so beautiful 👏👏👏
@woyame1
@woyame1 7 месяцев назад
Tywin's largest mistake, of course was in undervaluing, and in some ways underestimating, his youngest son's wisdom and focus. There was some truth to him saying at the end that he respected and even admired some of Tyrion's qualities. Unfortunately his deep hatred for his son (based almost entirely on the condition of Tyrion's birth) made him blind to the understanding that just because he had no true love for Tyrion that must be true of others. He really thought Jamie's affection for Tyrion was merely 'a soft spot' and that people like Varys were only being opportunistic. His blinkered misjudgment left him unable to imagine their possible actions to help Tyrion, which of course proved costly to him.
@DarkLadyJade
@DarkLadyJade 3 года назад
Tywin is one of my favorite characters from the show and his actor was amazing in the role.
@BallyBoy95
@BallyBoy95 2 года назад
Juxtaposing his softness with the utter disregard for Jeffrey and Cersei is utter genius in displaying Tywin, balancing empathy and apathy like that, utmostly concerned with continuing the family, as opposed to his existing family. Really highlighting that he is driven by family legacy, as opposed to the family he has right now.
@flameout12345
@flameout12345 Год назад
The casting is probably the best I’ve seen done ever
@kyleway8513
@kyleway8513 2 месяца назад
I love how you can tell the relief in Tywin in this conversation, theres pride in there too. You can almost see in his eyes that hes thinking "finally someone I can work with" after languishing through a mad king, an incompetent king, and a cruel boy king. Tywin and Tommen could have probably done great things for Westeros.
@Moss_and_Such
@Moss_and_Such Год назад
Charles Dance’s screen presence is insane in this show.
@KingusDingus
@KingusDingus 3 года назад
"a king needs a queen. Now, young Tommen, I would like to tell you about the birds and the bees."
@delfinenteddyson9865
@delfinenteddyson9865 3 года назад
"it's all relatively straightforward"
@AJ-zq8kv
@AJ-zq8kv 2 месяца назад
Tywin giving his grandson “The Talk” is so funny
@AbiShoukathAliA
@AbiShoukathAliA 2 года назад
Tywin, brilliance, what kind of mummer's farce is this.
@dustinb4286
@dustinb4286 Год назад
Because the show has the Lannisters as villains, you forget that Tywin is an excellent leader. He's not just clever or witty, he's a legitimate genius and he knows how to handle things properly. The assumption that Tywin rules by fear isn't really true. He's not manipulating Tommen, he's teaching him. He's giving him excellent advice, and advice that Tywin knows he personally won't benefit from. He knows he's old. He knows he doesn't have long left, he's trying to set Tommen up as a good and stable king - listen to your advisors, take a queen and produce an heir. It's good advice, and Tommen needs to know that he should listen to his advisors, especially when his mother starts telling him different
@madmangogaming
@madmangogaming Год назад
Tywin is definitely a villain wtf he is responsible for some of the most heinous acts of cruelty in recent westerosi history
@botten4187
@botten4187 Год назад
well maybe he's kind of manipulating Tommen. He basically says "do as your adivsors tell you", and he is his main advisor. So basically, Tywin is making himself a shadow-king, at least until Tommen is more mature
@kylekillgannon
@kylekillgannon Год назад
Robert Baratheon was absolutely terrified of Tywin. And for good reason. Tywin can be the most fearsome in westeros.
@matsh5633
@matsh5633 Год назад
"The assumption that Tywin rules by fear isn't really true" Bitch he sends a singer that plays a song about a noble house he drowned in their own castle, along-side every servant they had, to scare vassals from uprising. edit: The story of the Rains of Castamere - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-LbiSwq07Yvg.html&ab_channel=RedTeamReview
@coconoisette
@coconoisette Год назад
I think one of the main thing about Tywin is that, yes, he knows he's old and he's not immortal and he won't always be there to guide his legacy, so he has to make his descendants good rulers. I don't think his goals are just "manipulate everyone until you die", he's also working long term, for the furthering of the Lannister legacy
@thefilmadvocate6192
@thefilmadvocate6192 2 года назад
I can literally watch an entire episode of Tywin lecturing Tommen without getting bored
@anthonybower02
@anthonybower02 Год назад
He puts a real Christopher Lee vibe to it and I love the character for that reason
@gagank478
@gagank478 6 месяцев назад
Simply beautiful acting and great brilliance
@112deeps
@112deeps 3 года назад
Fascinating & masterful how in few minutes Tywnn draws Tommen away from both his daughter Cerses & his son Jamie on the stairs! His only error was not winning Tyrion & infact alienating him.... Tyrion was better hand of the king than Tywnn in that he had compassion hidden behind his wisdom & ruthlessness.
@thepro44
@thepro44 3 года назад
I love Tywin’s realism he never waivers no matter the situation such a amazing character
@logicplague2077
@logicplague2077 Год назад
"It's all relatively straight forward" That hasn't been my experience.
@ElJorro
@ElJorro 2 года назад
This was one of my favorite scenes as well.
@KingMckay
@KingMckay 3 года назад
Thoroughly enjoyed this breakdown, the scene is such a great example of how amazing this character is! Keep the videos coming :D
@themanwithnoname1839
@themanwithnoname1839 6 месяцев назад
You can easily hear the relief in tywins voice when he says wisdom and tywin answers with a very happy and enthusiastic yes
@under-dog5390
@under-dog5390 2 года назад
Tywin was the best character in GoT. He dominated every single scene and it was amazing to watch.
@ketzbook
@ketzbook 2 года назад
Ah, the birds and the bees talk...I remember that.
@joshuabelmonte12
@joshuabelmonte12 Год назад
It's semi telling he answers with pious. A very good subtle way to foreshadow his arc.
@milesipsen2679
@milesipsen2679 3 года назад
I Really enjoyed watching Good job👍
@afrankdude8980
@afrankdude8980 3 года назад
Came here after watching you breaking Bad walter's confession video... You earned a subscriber bro keep making these... This video is a bit different from that one cuz in this video I had to wait for 4 mins to get the analysis unlike previous video which was awesome but still. I like both. Amazing work bro 👍
@arcaneprince
@arcaneprince 3 года назад
Thanks man, that means a lot! I'm still experimenting with video formats, but I have about 50 written analyses and many more ideas which will eventually become videos. Stick around!
@TheContrarian09
@TheContrarian09 Месяц назад
Only thing woulda made it better would have been tywin responding to his daughter’s, “this isn’t the place or time.” with “this is the perfect place and time.”
@eckenrad
@eckenrad 28 дней назад
1:53 "... to abandon his subject to an evil that he was too gullible to recognize" ... the high sparrow just casually strolling by in the background...
@kronos1794
@kronos1794 2 года назад
Tywin was dangerous because he understood the intricacies of when to act, when not to act, when to apply pressure and how much pressure was needed to get the desired effect. He had the power of a great house behind him but only need the threat of action to make all even the greatest houses back down from open confontation. His only true weakness was his own kids.
@hellraiser2345
@hellraiser2345 3 года назад
Maybe this is too deep....but when Tywin says "until the last two killed him" it cuts to a shot of Cersei because really, it was her who planned his death (with drinking and hunting) so it really was the whoring that killed him. Cersei loved him at first, she even admitted that when the marriage was first arranged, it was the happiest day of her life. Robert just couldn't get over Liana.
@Mr33500
@Mr33500 3 года назад
Cersei only tried for a day though. She expected Robert to forget Lyanna the moment he saw her, and was pissed when he didn’t
@hothotheat3000
@hothotheat3000 2 года назад
Imagine your husband moaning another woman’s name on your wedding night. Cersei knew the marriage was doomed right then.
@vis1975
@vis1975 Год назад
@@Mr33500 not at all, cersei's pov in the books explains she "tried" (meaning she didn't cheat) until a party where she evidently saw robert cheat on her with another lady. That's when she started her own cheating.
@SongvilayFilms
@SongvilayFilms Год назад
This brilliant man, can't wait to see more!
@jcmd221
@jcmd221 2 года назад
Tywin could be cold, cruel, and harsh but brilliant. Brutal yet brilliant
@afrankdude8980
@afrankdude8980 3 года назад
Keep making these bro you deserve more subs you just earned a genuine subscriber
@ryanarment5393
@ryanarment5393 3 года назад
This wasn't so mich an attempt to manipulate Tommen into a pawn for Tywin. Rather it was an attempt by Tywin to mold Tommen into an effective king, one that could hold control over the seven kingdoms and secure a lannister dynasty. He understood that he had only a limited amount of time to do so before he died.
@BoundInChains
@BoundInChains 3 года назад
Baratheon...?
@andyarken7906
@andyarken7906 3 года назад
@@BoundInChains Does the name really matter, as long as he's Tywin's grandson?
@liamcollins9183
@liamcollins9183 3 года назад
@@BoundInChains he was still working on Jaime taking his place as heir to Casterly Rock, but he also wanted a Lannister friendly king on the throne, doesn't matter if his name is Baratheon
@pepsibente489
@pepsibente489 3 года назад
@@andyarken7906 Yes, it does, because toTywin the Lannister name meant more than anything else.
@JoshSweetvale
@JoshSweetvale 3 года назад
There isn't much difference.
@GreenHoleSun
@GreenHoleSun Месяц назад
Probably this is closest thing to love that Tywin Lannister was able to show
@sulamanjalil1166
@sulamanjalil1166 Год назад
Tywin my favorite character. Truly amazing 👏
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