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Back in the day, every auto manufacturer had beautiful bodies and incredible engines, but only Chrysler fitted it's cars with a standard suspension born to go fast.
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@suelob8193
@suelob8193 3 года назад
Is it just me, or is it super weird to see Uncle Tony kneeling down on that clean polished cement floor, instead of on cracked asphalt, gravel and rain puddles???
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
It's not just you.
@NYPATRIOTBX
@NYPATRIOTBX 3 года назад
Lmaooo imagine when he’s working with a lift
@albertgaspar627
@albertgaspar627 3 года назад
we are get used to what we see often, but as for UT's new locale, its just a factor of being good--all things change for the better.
@donaldbozek8505
@donaldbozek8505 3 года назад
He paid his dues for sure! Lol
@jumpinjojo
@jumpinjojo 3 года назад
It's just you.
@MrYAMAHA32177
@MrYAMAHA32177 3 года назад
Good job Tony, a walking and talking Chrysler encyclopedia.
@nextellcup8
@nextellcup8 3 года назад
he really is
@vintagesavoiur
@vintagesavoiur 3 года назад
Yep 👍
@stevencolby49
@stevencolby49 3 года назад
The next mark worman 👍🇺🇸
@lsxpower3367
@lsxpower3367 3 года назад
I like that uncle tony doesn’t have a stupid intro straight to the point 👍
@MoparRob440
@MoparRob440 3 года назад
Yes, I can't stand when they feel like they need to start with blaring music and a pointless intro.
@oldtimerf7602
@oldtimerf7602 3 года назад
YES!!! No 30 second techno music filled waste of time!
@andrewbutton5580
@andrewbutton5580 3 года назад
@@MoparRob440 Yes, I agree. No BS music, logos, other garbage. Nobody wants to see that stuff. UT just gets right to the Point !
@wheelieking71
@wheelieking71 3 года назад
Agreed! Another one of my favorite youtube personalities, Derek @ Vice Grip Garage, has one of the worst intros! that stupid music he used in his intro makes me want to strangle something.
@jonathangehman4005
@jonathangehman4005 3 года назад
Preach it Tony! I get a sick feeling in my stomach everytime I see a Cuda with coilovers or a Demon with a 9inch. It shows a deep misunderstanding of some of the best bits of these special cars. It also shows a lack of resistance to fads and marketing. It reminds me of the Dude who showed up at Chryslers at Carlisle years ago with a big dollar, pro built 32 Plymouth. Really well built car, million dollar purple paint, fancy interior etc. But he wouldn't open the hood. When he finally did there was a 350 Chevy and a Turbo 350 in it. His excuse? "That's what everybody puts in streetrods nowadays!" It was a great car but it was forever known as "The Baby With The Baboon Heart".
@panzerkfw
@panzerkfw 3 года назад
In a hundred years this channel will be used by collectors and museums to figure out how to keep Chryslers in proper working order.
@cammontreuil7509
@cammontreuil7509 3 года назад
Mopars will have long been converted to electric power.
@mikelewter192
@mikelewter192 2 года назад
You said it
@zeussx2120
@zeussx2120 2 года назад
@@cammontreuil7509 I’m doubtful electric cars will be around for a long time once they’re the norm. There’s far more oil in the ground than Lithium and Cobalt.
@elarr8733
@elarr8733 2 года назад
A lot sooner than that, burning gasoline in an engine will get you put on a list and your assets will be redistributed to people who vote for handouts. If you are famous, you will of course be cancelled by the relatively small portion of the country that does social media.
@notsofresh8563
@notsofresh8563 3 года назад
In Nascar guys would cut holes in the floor so they could adjust the torsion bars from inside the car, using the wrench under their leg. After start of race, lowering it to go faster and then jack it back up for tech at the end.
@morelanmn
@morelanmn 3 года назад
One Plymouth racer decided he needed a motorhome for his wife to set in at the races. But the real reason was he could hide a chest freezer in the motorhome. In that freezer he kept shocks and "Jigs" to hold the shocks at a predetermined length. . The frozen shocks held the Plymouth up for the final NASCAR ride height inspection. After the shocks thawed out the car would drop several inches.
@cuteface88
@cuteface88 3 года назад
lol no way
@tonybarracuda3505
@tonybarracuda3505 3 года назад
You obviously don’t know how torsion bars are adjusted, no way you could reach it from inside the car
@tonybarracuda3505
@tonybarracuda3505 3 года назад
@Nick Varelli nope different guy, in the 80’s I raced in Saskatchewan & Alberta
@jumpinjojo
@jumpinjojo 3 года назад
tony barracuda Not if the adjuster is flipped over. Very easy.
@Canadiancarguy1987
@Canadiancarguy1987 3 года назад
You know this story is going to be good when UT start's the video off in a rocking chair, that's when you sit back and just shut up and listen to him!! :D
@andrewbutton5580
@andrewbutton5580 3 года назад
A glass of tang in his hand would be perfect. Ek2 Superbird colored drink.
@shaggydogg630
@shaggydogg630 3 года назад
@@andrewbutton5580 lololo
@petergrey7125
@petergrey7125 Месяц назад
😁👍
@stevej2031
@stevej2031 3 года назад
Torsion bar comment classic. When I was in high school I had a 70 charger L code 383 2 barrel. Wanted a classic rake look. Didn't have money for air shocks so I just lowered the front end using the torsion bar adjustment. A few months later took my car to alignment shop for a front end alignment. The guy was bitching at me saying he was going to charge me more money cuz he had to raise my car up to the proper level. The good old days.
@wheels-n-tires1846
@wheels-n-tires1846 3 года назад
That was exactly me with my high school 383 68 Charger...!!!
@1957jls
@1957jls 3 года назад
Did that too! 70 340 Duster.
@BenjaminC340
@BenjaminC340 3 года назад
Fun Fact: For the movie Bullitt Max Balchowski had to reinforce the Mustang's front end and install heavier coils. For the Charger, he just turned the bars up a bit.
@hoost3056
@hoost3056 3 года назад
Fun Fact.....the original Vanishing Point Challengers were unmodified for the shoot. Nothing was done to them, even for that jump scene through the construction zone. Great stuff👍
@MrTheHillfolk
@MrTheHillfolk 3 года назад
@@hoost3056 supposedly the Ford trucks used in Mr Majestyk weren't modded either. What a hammering they got.
@jeremypike9153
@jeremypike9153 3 года назад
The 390 in the bullet mustang was stroked and camshaft swapped to get it to be fast enough to keep up with the 440 charger as well. I remember reading about it in an article about the cars used in the movie.
@hoost3056
@hoost3056 3 года назад
@@MrTheHillfolk when Mopar was all Mopar they did some amazing, outlandish things....it was one of the main reasons I got into them. It didn't take much to make them fast, plus they seem to love funky colors ( all of them.....you could throw Panther Pink on an Imperial and it would look good ). Any self respecting Mopar Head knows the unmistakable sound of a big block/manual trans combo going up through the gears....
@lautburns4829
@lautburns4829 3 года назад
Yeah they beat that mustang to death. The Charger kept on going.
@petermontagnon4440
@petermontagnon4440 3 года назад
Glad to see you at home in the new shop!!!! I'm a Chevy guy ,but right now I drive a Jeep. I love all makes of car and trucks!! I am looking for my dream truck...about a 50 Ford Pick Me Up!!! LOL You got to love old Iron!!! LOL
@davidchristensen2970
@davidchristensen2970 3 года назад
Actually... A coil spring is a ridiculously long skinny torsion bar that has been coiled up into a tube shape.
@seggzslimjimz1179
@seggzslimjimz1179 2 года назад
they’re both just springs in different forms….
@EngineeringVignettes
@EngineeringVignettes 3 года назад
"It's just a different twist on the same thing" ... I see what you did there. :D Cheers,
@wehrwolf8006
@wehrwolf8006 3 года назад
Born with a traction bar.. that just sounds right 🤘
@jeremypike9153
@jeremypike9153 3 года назад
Ladder bars are traction bars that work. Or the more modern caltrac bars. The old lakewoods work well enough on the street but at a sticky dragstrip not so well. Chrysler also used a pinion snubber which worked well at the dragstrip.
@jeremypike9153
@jeremypike9153 3 года назад
Ladder bars have leverage on their side compared to caltracs or lakewoods they have less flex as well. Ideally you would want the the end of the ladder bars as close to the front wheels as possible with ground clearance. They use the twist of the rear axle to lift the front of the car up and further transfer weight to the rear wheels. Lakewood's and caltracs all work at the front leaf spring perch which shoves the rear wheels into the pavement and keep the leaf spring from wrapping into an S shape. Traction bars help promote traction ladder bars promote traction and transfer weight.
@donreinke5863
@donreinke5863 3 года назад
Mopars commonly used pinion snubbers rather than traction bars. They also mounted most of the rear leaf spring behind the axle unlike the mid size Fords did. Old drag race videos would often show the rear end of the body of Mopars lifitng rather than squatting when they were launched, because of how the springs would "wind up"
@wheels-n-tires1846
@wheels-n-tires1846 3 года назад
@@donreinke5863 Thats why i used to laugh when id see a Mopar with added traction bars, driven by an obvious noob...🤣
@hunkydorian
@hunkydorian 3 года назад
Those of us who lived in the Rust Belt had to throw away our Darts and Valiants when the mounting points for the torsion bars rusted out and dropped the front end onto the ground.
@trischarchuleta9865
@trischarchuleta9865 3 года назад
Good God I almost forgot about that you’re right they were the biggest pieces of shit ever made I remember us being a teenager they were the worst I know Mopar guys love them and I love the shape of their cars but you could keep that shit torsion bar front end. U feel every pebble on the road
@karlbishop7481
@karlbishop7481 3 года назад
@@trischarchuleta9865 Yeah, but they didn't drag the door handles in the corner like the GMs did.
@jimbogusky
@jimbogusky 3 года назад
Replace the tbar crossmember. They make good repros.
@frigglebiscuit7484
@frigglebiscuit7484 3 года назад
@@trischarchuleta9865 cant keep any front end in rust wonderland. thank god i live in the south.
@EASTSIDE-313
@EASTSIDE-313 3 года назад
@@jimbogusky gotta have something to mount the repo to😂
@newfoundpower92
@newfoundpower92 3 года назад
Imagine being the poor woman thinking her car was doing a wheelie 😂
@fastinradfordable
@fastinradfordable 3 года назад
It DID have a big block Lol
@rcnelson
@rcnelson 3 года назад
Imagine the torsion bar groaning when 800 lb. of meat get onto the front seat.
@tedshredz58
@tedshredz58 3 года назад
Probably looked just right with both of them in the car. If they were as big as UT said they were, it would be like 4 big people in the front seats.
@davidleonard8369
@davidleonard8369 3 года назад
I love torsion bars and I hate torsion bars. Love that they can be adjusted to dial in at the track. Hate that any idiot can put a wrench to them. Same for adjustable coil overs. If you feel the need to adjust them by all means have at it. Just be aware that camber and toe will be affected. Also it's good practice to always Jack up the vehicle by the frame until the tires are off the ground to unload the bars before turning the adjustment bolts.
@martind701
@martind701 3 года назад
Always love how a Mopar rear end rises up on it's haunches when you get on it.
@jerrycraig6522
@jerrycraig6522 3 года назад
That is badass!!!
@MrJohnnyDistortion
@MrJohnnyDistortion 3 года назад
I was leaving a car show in my '79 Chrysler 300 and behind me was a 63 I think 300 letter car, white, dual quads, swivel seats, under dash turntable. We both entered the highway, Route 1A Saugus Massachusetts. He pulls up on my drivers side, looks at me, counts 1-2-3, we both floor the gas pedal and his entire car rose 3-4 inches and took off like a jet.🙃🤪
@Gledge9
@Gledge9 3 года назад
Geez Tony, bringin back memories of my youth. I remember doing a grade 10 science project on Chrysler torsion bar suspension and how it differs from traditional suspension on the other manufacturers vehicles. Luckily, I had a future brother in law who, with his dad, had a garage full of mid sixties and early seventies Dodges. He was able to lend me some of the parts involved so I could show the different components in class. It was cool and I got an A on the project. Thx for the memories 👍
@andrewbutton5580
@andrewbutton5580 3 года назад
Every time I have to compress a GM coil spring I swear under my breath , I could of had a Cuda.
@jasont.1530
@jasont.1530 3 года назад
i lol'ed, mind if I make a tshirt with this quote on it? Just for myself lol
@andrewbutton5580
@andrewbutton5580 3 года назад
@@jasont.1530Please do.
@wheelieking71
@wheelieking71 3 года назад
All that Tony, and you never even mentioned the low center of gravity! Huge bonus for guys who run around the twistys.
@kevinmopar1211
@kevinmopar1211 3 года назад
Ive always wondered how a mopar would handle on a circle track and wish I had of tried it. EVERYONE runs chev frames/suspension with screw jacks on all four corners and I thought why not a mopar, they basically came from the factory with the same idea but would get laughed out of the idea.
@jaymoe5.7
@jaymoe5.7 3 года назад
@@kevinmopar1211 at my local dirt track they run a 6 cylinder class that uses a very similar chassis to a super stock but they run straight 6 engines, most everyone uses chevy 258's but I remember one guy thought why not try a slant 6 because the way it's slanted would let him sling the car around the corners easier because there was more weight on that side, well he did just that. The guy won a lot of races that season and they made new rules saying you had to add 100lbs of weight on the nose on the opposite side to ballance it out. He argued that wasn't fair because he was already at a cubic inch disadvantage but they didn't care. Nobody at the track has run a slant 6 since but everyone remembers what he did with it.
@gertvanderhorst2890
@gertvanderhorst2890 Месяц назад
@@jaymoe5.7 you got to love inventive people.
@gertvanderhorst2890
@gertvanderhorst2890 Месяц назад
Now you said it yourself, the gift that keeps giving.
@nicksears1225
@nicksears1225 Месяц назад
I have never heard such a good explanation or positive things to say about torsion bars, Uncle Tony is awesome at knowing and explaining the ins and outs of these cars! Fun and educational watch.
@Shadobanned4life
@Shadobanned4life 3 года назад
You have a wonderful way of explaining all things automotive ! You obviously like what you do,and your enthusiasm is contagious.. Thanks so much Sir ! 🌞
@wjb111
@wjb111 3 года назад
Can’t forget the Classic Mopar starter sound that makes them Awesome!
@johntechwriter
@johntechwriter 2 года назад
It was known as the “hummingbird.”
@herbferguson
@herbferguson 3 года назад
It's a brilliant design. I have a 57 300C that had a lot of the firsts in engineering that evolved into greater things in the 60s. My first primer into how brilliant Mopar engineering, is years ago reading Rick Ehrenberg's articles, then found a gem of a book by Tom Condran called Performance Handling For Classic Mopars and his other book Mad About Mopars gives great insight into the greatness of Chrysler engineering. Because of those books and articles I rebuilt and modified the suspension on several of my Mopars over the years....
@Mike_Collins392
@Mike_Collins392 3 года назад
Really awesome car man. The 1957 300 is the " pinnacle " of " Chrysler Engineering " on many levels.
@herbferguson
@herbferguson 3 года назад
My Dad and his buddy had two of them in the early 60s when they were cheap and nobody wanted them. It's the car that turned my Dad onto being a Mopar guy, and then me when I grew up hearing the stories of all the races he got into on the highways of SoCal and even leaving the Ford police intercepters in the dust! Now I've got a collection of mopes and other stuff about as big as Uncle Tonys hoard!!
@annbaker2117
@annbaker2117 3 года назад
I love MOPAR! Hey, Tony, get some 1/4 inch plywood to put under your jack stands to protect that floor. They are tough put the base of the jack stand will cut the surface in time. I learned that the hard way. Mike
@cudathehawgjetfixer7520
@cudathehawgjetfixer7520 3 года назад
Tony, remember Chrysler built tanks for the War Department then DoD and since WWII the tanks suspension was torsion bar type over vertical or horizontal valute spring suspension thus made the tanks very maneuverable on the battle field and could run at faster speeds in battle, so it makes sense the MaMopar went with torsion bar suspensions over coil springs in their cars also most pick up truck have torsion bar suspensions today because of the reliability of the torsion bar suspensions.
@325xitgrocgetter
@325xitgrocgetter 3 года назад
The signature sound of the gear reduction starter.....that's a Mopar!
@karlbishop7481
@karlbishop7481 3 года назад
Another Chrysler innovation that everyone else copied years later. I still remember all the guys making fun of the wee wee wee sound back then. They just didn't understand.
@stick9648
@stick9648 3 года назад
Or the sound of an extra ballast resister in the glove box.
@frigglebiscuit7484
@frigglebiscuit7484 3 года назад
@@stick9648 or the sound you make when you pull the a833 manual trans out yourself.
@mikestephens2191
@mikestephens2191 3 года назад
This guy is a MOPAR genius, I love to watch all his videos
@jerrycraig6522
@jerrycraig6522 3 года назад
He is, no doubt about that!!!
@hoost3056
@hoost3056 3 года назад
What makes Mopars awesome........ Lightest out of most OEMs Adjustable height torsion bars Most innovative out of the OEMs Most widely used make in the movies and TV shows One of the only OEMs that let you literally order anything you want ( Butterscotch Hemi whatever? Sure! Check the boxes )
@jdgimpa
@jdgimpa 3 года назад
The ironic thing is that when Ford and GM put independent front suspension on their 1500 4 wheel drive trucks they used torsion bars!
@herbferguson
@herbferguson 3 года назад
Yeah I remember in the mid 90s looking a the new Dodge Dakotas and they had torsion bars. Also even many 2500 and 3500 Chevys used torsion bar front suspension.... not sure if they still do to this day though.
@chasmontecarlo7271
@chasmontecarlo7271 3 года назад
Hi uncle tony, thank you for your information and knowledge because I am self taught it’s so interesting to me to learn that you can do so much with mopar’s by making adjustments especially the way the rear is centered and torsion bars just great 👍👍🚘
@johnnywrench5579
@johnnywrench5579 3 года назад
Awesome that you have the shop now. You moved right up fast keep it up uncle Tony.
@robertmotley8990
@robertmotley8990 3 года назад
What we did not see in this video was Uncle Kathy having to get up and down on the floor every time Tony did. Kudos!
@devianb
@devianb 3 года назад
She is so silent and stealthy that I forgot that she is there.
@rjsmith7170
@rjsmith7170 Год назад
I Just Want too say a huge thanks too UTG for the info on buying these cars , and what to watch out for, concerning the seller’s and the cars. Excellent info ! Buyer beware. Thanks pal.
@moparman72rr
@moparman72rr 3 года назад
Best video you have EVER done ... OK I really liked it!
@moyadapne968
@moyadapne968 3 года назад
In 50 years of Mopar repairs, I only saw one broken torsion...and it WAS a '57.
@Z_732
@Z_732 3 года назад
My second cousin had one break on his dart. Otger then that. Never heard of one. We used to crank them babies up for demolition derbies. It gave us a chance to roll opponents. Never ever had one break, even under that extreme.
@davidferguson5855
@davidferguson5855 3 года назад
Both Chrysler products I owned had broken torsion bars. And they broke when car was sitting still. 64 and 66 Dodge.
@fastinradfordable
@fastinradfordable 3 года назад
Your welcome from vw for inventing torsion bars that won’t break.
@gordthor5351
@gordthor5351 3 года назад
moyadapne When I was young and stupid I jumped my 72 Plymouth Scamp at a bush party and neither torsion bars broke. A new wheel bearing and 2 tires and wheels and the Scamp was good as ever.
@jimifed2798
@jimifed2798 3 года назад
I changed one on a 1976 Chrysler Cordoba snapped towards the front. Replaced with a junkyard one.
@waddney4121
@waddney4121 3 года назад
Is the counter rotational force the other way around for us down under in Australia, due to our engines spinning the opposite direction ?
@Beverlys-Hillbilly
@Beverlys-Hillbilly 3 года назад
I couldn't agree more! This is something I discovered on my first car, when I was still a teenager. That old girl would sit level no matter how aggressive you took a corner. The limiter was my nerve!
@mikemccaffrey3093
@mikemccaffrey3093 3 года назад
Porsche 911 used torsion bars front and rear. Every corner is adjustable. Great when it is set up correctly. You need scales, though. First time Hearing Chrysler used them. Neat to see them being used for adjusting corner weight for drag racing.
@fastinradfordable
@fastinradfordable 3 года назад
They got them from Vw. Who invented torsion bars before ww2
@richardcranium5839
@richardcranium5839 3 года назад
circle track we experimented cuz you could jack the weight on the rf for the corners. was great till they run the other direction and you'd find out on the pace lap
@2011metalmaniac
@2011metalmaniac 3 года назад
alfra romeos and e type jags too
@1notgilty
@1notgilty 3 года назад
I noticed that nice, new epoxy floor too. It looks great and has to be a nice change for Uncle Tony to work on and slide around under cars without getting his shirt and pants all dirty with oil and grease. He definitely deserves it.
@erwinmulder1338
@erwinmulder1338 3 года назад
I drive a 2015 Ford Mustang GT, but here I am getting schooled on how great Mopar torsion bar suspensions are. It's simple really: When Uncle Tony tells a story, you listen.
@Threesixty31
@Threesixty31 3 года назад
Great tribute to Chrysler's suspension, perfectly explained. Congratulations 👏
@skeeterbuck1355
@skeeterbuck1355 11 дней назад
I just watched this for the first time and I was laughing out loud about to story about adjusting the torsion bars on the wagon. Thanks Tony for brightening up my day! 🤣
@chrisrolph6458
@chrisrolph6458 10 месяцев назад
Dont fill these people with bull.Mopar had the WORST suspension and still does...look at how many trans am titles they won ....NONE!the lower control bars would roll and wrap under hard turns.Guys,mopar mahes a great engie but they rotted on the lot,faded,junk enamel paint and they were the cheapest plastic riddled interiors,Im not saying GM and ford were blameloss holy creatures....just saying the mopar had mega issues.especially the QC.
@bigbear5510
@bigbear5510 3 года назад
Story time from Uncle Tony's rocking chair. Great informational video! Great camera work Uncle Kathy! The new shop is lookin' really good. ROLL UP YOU CIGARETTE!!! LOL
@scottzur6493
@scottzur6493 5 месяцев назад
I've watched this multiple times. It's amazing how nice this car is underneath...... I'm from NJ they are rotted to hell or beat to hell. No one comments on that not even you uncle Tony!! But I mean that as a compliment. Good on you for not rubbing it in our faces but you scored!!!
@TheXopony
@TheXopony 3 года назад
Was doing rear break band replacement on a 1969 road runner , so of course back end was up on stands , i herd a loud BAM. Right front torsion bar broke. Had to order part even though this was in 1976 . put a put a deep well socket up in the adjustment area and drove it like that for a week untill my new torsion bar came in. MOPAR.
@southjerseyjim5049
@southjerseyjim5049 3 года назад
I’m so excited about Uncle Tony addressing the topic of suspensions that I almost dropped my pants and made love to my horny 70 year old neighbor - who looks like she’s in her 50s so don’t think I’m a total whacko perv. The point is that I’d love to see him cover things like Ehrenberg’s “Disc-O-Tech” disc brake setup for B Bodies and methods of dialing in positive caster. The fact that Chrysler had, in concept, developed a superior suspension system compared to GM and Ford seems totally absurd to most folks, but it’s the God’ Honest Truth and I’m tickled Uncle Tony is discussing it.
@AtZero138
@AtZero138 3 года назад
Torsion bar advice; I've always looked at it like adding & subtracting minutes .. 15min at a time.. Now drive a bit.. measure bottom of fender to ground using center of wheel to line up to .. after you figure this out, what height looks good to you.. I add 3/4" more height to my side due to body weight.. I run my Dart low enough to make sure water will come off windshield from the middle and up.. this angle also, at speed will push the car Down, curing front end lift.. I've had my own Dart above 110Mph with minimal lift or lighting of Steering feel.. peace humans..
@portlandon
@portlandon 3 года назад
1955 Packards had full length torsion bar suspensions on all senior cars. The torsion bars make for great suspensions.
@kcav5374
@kcav5374 3 года назад
I'm surprised you didn't mention Mopar's Super Stock springs for the rear.
@67buick
@67buick 3 года назад
Have to disagree when you said you lose adjustability when you switch to coilovers. The main feature of that type of suspension is the adjustments you can make to corner balance or preload the car. 99% of coilover have adjustable valving as well. So not only can preload be set, but compression and rebound can also be tuned. Obviously the cost is very high to convert, especially on a mopar. But it’s definitely more tunable than the stock Chrysler suspensions. Not for everyone tho.
@caddydaddy6728
@caddydaddy6728 3 года назад
Great stuff unk I learned about the leaf spings when I was about 16 my camaro had bad wheel hop and the Chryslers didn't 👍👍
@OverlandOne
@OverlandOne 3 года назад
U.T. to me, the 440, the 426 hemi and torsion bar suspension made Mopars awesome. (The 396 Hemi was pretty good as well) I have owned three 440's, a 360, and a 318, oh...and also one slant 6. I always loved Mopars but...not in the past 20 years or so.
@Steverinomeister
@Steverinomeister Год назад
I Still call them Chryslers because calling them MoPaR’s is like calling Fords Motorcrafts and Chevys Delcos.
@NathansMoparGarage
@NathansMoparGarage 3 года назад
Best thing after I put headers on my 74 Duster I had was cranking up the torsion bars a little at a time until it stopped scraping them on speed bumps
@oldtimerf7602
@oldtimerf7602 3 года назад
Good stuff. Maybe do a pro/con for GM and Ford and maybe even AMC??
@jahns1586
@jahns1586 3 года назад
Amc has a pretty strange front end setup
@jimifed2798
@jimifed2798 3 года назад
@@jahns1586 Its more like a Ford but at least they angled the shock towers back.
@davenhla
@davenhla 3 года назад
I am petty sure the GM Colonade cars(73-77) had torsion bar also, but it's been a while since I looked at one so I might be wrong.
@MrBiggerdaddio
@MrBiggerdaddio 3 года назад
Sounds like George was smart
@fredschmidt6802
@fredschmidt6802 3 года назад
My friend was an alcoholic . He watched his friend die next to him ! He was under the car adjusting the torshen bar when the bar broke the car bounce on the floor & his skull was crushed . With my charger I would always block the back wheels then jack up the car put on jack stands then an extra pare under the tortion bars . The big thing about them is when the body gose bad around them the car is done . I never had an issue with mine . The salt they used here in ohio ate the cars up some good ase mechanics died from mistakes with tortion bars
@douglasnicholls1366
@douglasnicholls1366 3 года назад
Haven't had a MOPAR since my mom's 1969 Dodge Monaco 383 Sure Grip wagon when I was a kid, but for huge American iron, that car would handle! I remember learning on it tossing it through the local twisties with its mammoth dimensions. Driving friend's Fords and Chebbies, I was amazed at how they wallowed and bucked and needed to be rushed by hanging their tails out like drift cars. The Monaco just got down to business and went where you put it when you pressed the loud pedal. And got an honest 18 MPG moving the longest 9-passenger wagon built at the time. I loved that car, and it was happier at 100 than anything I've driven that fast since. Wish I had one now. Thanks for the memories, Uncle!
@danw.3291
@danw.3291 3 года назад
As a kid we had a 1972 station wagon that broke a torsion bar on the passenger side...I still remember how loud it was....my first car a '77 Aspen R/T with a 360 had the torsion bars that went towards the front...I ended up replacing the 904 trans with the 727 from that station wagon when I was 16...I always liked the torsion bar setup.... Great Video 👍
@johnwilburn
@johnwilburn 3 года назад
Tony didn’t pull the wheels off Bottle Rocket for this video. It was to get the water spots off that I got on the wheel wells.
@taskmaster58
@taskmaster58 3 года назад
Extra care and engineering, it makes a difference.
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
If only they spent as much care in manufacturing...
@fastfreddy80
@fastfreddy80 3 года назад
I love all classic 60s and early 70s cars, especially GM cars like the Camaro, GTO, 442, Firebird. My brother and cousin were Mopar fans, (no competition, I love Mopars too). So I am familiar with these cars and how to work on them. I am so impressed with UT. He is a true classic car enthusiast and knows all the tricks and details that comes from working on them for decades.
@tgriffin6938
@tgriffin6938 3 года назад
Love this video! 5 minutes in he says Ford and Chrysler cars need a traction bar because their axles are centered on the spring. LOL
@roadrunner4404
@roadrunner4404 3 года назад
One safety note! Never just crawl under a Mopar and wrench that bolt! Since I didnt jack up the car I didnt have any safety stands. It stripped out those threads and the left front corner dropped unto the bump stop. I was pinned under my Challenger and had my roommate left work early I would be dead! He saw it drop, saw my legs sticking out and got the floor jack to lift it off me. I saved that bolt and part as a reminder to not take chances. Real story!
@bdogjr7779
@bdogjr7779 3 года назад
Good point《☆》😎🎱☮🔊✌👍
@jimifed2798
@jimifed2798 3 года назад
Wow , that was a scary experience. It must have happened to quite a few people stripping the bolt and having a car drop because a guy at a body shop warned me about that possibility. He said always use a floor jack or don't do it.
@1notgilty
@1notgilty 3 года назад
I always learn something new from Uncle Tony. I love it.
@johnburch6927
@johnburch6927 2 года назад
Amen to everything!!! I absolutely love the way a torsion bar suspension launches, that weight transfer, then the push up from the rear, they leap frog of the line and then plane out straight. Damn!
@moparsquid
@moparsquid 3 года назад
Sorry I cant agree as a Chrysler mechanic there was a factory torsion bar removal tool and sometimes you need it and a big hammer to get it off
@edriveiro5625
@edriveiro5625 3 года назад
All that you mentioned, plus the pinion snubbers 👍
@timothykeith1367
@timothykeith1367 3 года назад
Coil springs can have a beehive shape and support variable spring rates - coil springs were also commodities that can be purchased from suppliers at cost savings. I read an account from a Chrysler suspension engineer. By the mid '60s coil springs technology had improved and Chrysler wanted to convert the A body to coil springs. The Valiants and Darts would be less costly to manufacture and quieter. But, the marketing surveys proved that people bought Chrysler products for two popular justifications: Torqueflite and torsion bars. The customers loved torsion bars and most drivers just used the cars for commuting anyway, they didn't need to tweak the suspension for road racing. They just wanted a smooth ride. Today, a version of the McPherson strut is almost universal because struts are lower cost to manufacture, and despite objections from some, struts do just fine for the way that most drivers use their vehicles. That the torsion bars anchored just under the drivers feet transmitted more road noise. The F-bodies dealt with that and those cars have a "big car" ride and are quieter. Every design has tradeoffs.
@jimifed2798
@jimifed2798 3 года назад
Good post Tim.
@TrueNomadSkies
@TrueNomadSkies 3 года назад
I never knew there was that much adjustment available just from the factory stuff.
@TrentGustus
@TrentGustus Год назад
Torsion bars, I raced a dodge dart on the ovals, we could adjust the suspension to go in a circle, like no other car
@redram5150
@redram5150 3 года назад
I’ve always loved Packards. They had their own take on four wheel torsion bars. Ride quality was fantastic
@Pondsisawesome124
@Pondsisawesome124 3 года назад
Hi Tony, I put air shocks on the rear of my Fury and the guys on the C body forums are giving me a hard time saying that rear cross-member is now being loaded in a way it wasn't designed for that and the shocks will destroy that cross-member. Any truth to this? I've run air shocks on many cars in the past without issue - your thoughts please.
@JDWorkshop-wn9tt
@JDWorkshop-wn9tt 3 года назад
Nice new shop! I love this episode. Torsion bars are cool. I read that Ford and, GM drag racers that had to run stock complained about the Chrysler guys using slant six torsion bars on much bigger engine set ups. But, it fit the rules because it is factory. Huge weight transfer on launch! I don’t know how much of that is true in an old story but, you definitely touched on the topic. The rear leaf spring set up too. Thanks for sharing!!!
@jakemctyre7116
@jakemctyre7116 3 года назад
Please keep that chair!
@russelldesabre9530
@russelldesabre9530 3 года назад
Nice part of the F J M body set up is that the torsion bars acted as a anti sway bar as well
@gulfy09
@gulfy09 3 года назад
Thats why gm trucks use torsion bars..please Ut you must tell us what eventually happened with your front end adjustment on that satellite ..were they pissed off ..
@briang4470
@briang4470 3 года назад
Only on 4wd models, 2wd models use a coil spring.
@lonerider5315
@lonerider5315 3 года назад
I’ve been working on my moms 75 power wagon for a year now. Mopar engineering is terrible lol
@mannyr.2756
@mannyr.2756 3 года назад
That's right only Chrysler had that system, back in the days, that's why every Chevy and Ford owner traded the vehicle and for Chrysler product. "NOT"!.....
@sczuylevch13
@sczuylevch13 3 года назад
Well all the big Caddys back in the day had torsion bars, all the heavy duty gm trucks today. Chrysler copied the torsion bars from the best handling European cars of the day!
@sczuylevch13
@sczuylevch13 3 года назад
@@jonathanlawson4667 Modern Indy cars run torsion bars, and they aint out dated! the fact that coil springs are what is normalized today is because they are cheap and simple, not because they are better. Not to say that torsion bars don have faults but its quite a better system than coils! The springs themselves react way faster than that of a coil as well, and can be lighter and give a lower center of gravity!
@mannyr.2756
@mannyr.2756 3 года назад
@@sczuylevch13 hey look there good designs and as bad designs you pick your poison.
@mannyr.2756
@mannyr.2756 3 года назад
@@sczuylevch13 hey man it is what it is you guys can debate this all you want but in the end Tony's the one laughing to the bank.
@michaelheimbrand5424
@michaelheimbrand5424 3 года назад
I really liked this video. I am kind of a suspension nerd by default because I´m into Citroëns. Their hydropneumatic suspension is incredible. But just like your telling it, most people talks bad about it because they don´t know better. I am not that skilled in US cars, but I kind of have a soft spot for Mopar. They always seem to surprise me with good engineering like in this video (torsions are cool). BTW: I wanted to lift my old Isuzu and found out it had torsions in the front. 2" lift = five minutes of wrenching. And also... Here in Sweden many years ago I drove some Chevy vans in my work. Then I tested a Dodge. It was like driving a sports car compared to the Chevy.
@karlbishop7481
@karlbishop7481 3 года назад
I got to drive a DS19 for a couple of days. The most fantastic car I have ever driven. Glad to have them under the Mopar (Stalantis) umbrella.
@daveblevins3322
@daveblevins3322 3 года назад
I just loved that. Bam 💥🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 3 года назад
But what about packard and their torsion bar suspension? Also Chrysler still used torsion bar on the dakotas into the 2000’s.
@neilwhitmore
@neilwhitmore 3 года назад
I use my dads 1974 chiltons book alllll the time
@jasonwcoleman250
@jasonwcoleman250 3 года назад
Factory service manuals are the next step.
@neilwhitmore
@neilwhitmore 3 года назад
@@jasonwcoleman250 got the 1973 dodge chassis, and body manual :)
@eurekasevenwave2297
@eurekasevenwave2297 3 года назад
Is there any different information in the Chilton books that isn't in the FSM? I always just used to FSM for my 68 Newport.
@Daniel-fd3wp
@Daniel-fd3wp 3 года назад
Uncle Tony on Rocking chair talking Mopars love it
@Angel_Ripoff
@Angel_Ripoff 3 года назад
I remember hearing that our beloved MoPars didn't need traction/ladder bars but never knew exactly why, now I do!
@jmpecore
@jmpecore 3 года назад
That was awesome Uncle Tony! Wisdom and Mopar go hand in hand. Between both sets of grandparents growing up there was a 69 Fury, 73 Duster, 72 Dart Swinger and 78 Diplomat. My parents fell for the GM hierarchy for years (start at Chevy and go to Oldsmobile or Cadillac years later) Those GMs were nice but in the shop a lot. I never remember the grandparents mopars with any trouble. Just simple, strong, tough and reliable cars. A Duster may not be as sexy as a Cutlass but it was hell of a lot more reliable.
@MrJayrock620
@MrJayrock620 3 года назад
Another great feature of the torsion bars is there’s very little intrusion into the engine bay. So it allowed Chrysler (or the owner) to shove even bigger engines under the hood. Ford and GM had massive strut towers to work around or even remove completely. I’ve seen guys hack them out and replace it with a Model A front axle from the hotrods.
@richierider8227
@richierider8227 3 года назад
Bottle implies nitrous..rocket inherently implies fast and exciting...we WANT NITRO..and fireworks...thanks.
@bicylindrico
@bicylindrico 3 года назад
When I would look at my B body suspension I would think to myself, "what a bunch of archaic garbage." I am not saying it's any worse than any other 1960's domestic car design, but in no way impressive. Just enough to get by
@fd797
@fd797 3 года назад
If you have a b-body, and used it, I would expect you to get what you just heard. It is a bunch of archaic garbage, yes, but arguably one step ahead of the competition. Anyway, that's the point UT was making. Seemed Chryslers were the ones to hook up at the drags, likely because of this type of stuff. Read original road tests of others, and wheel hop was a serious problem. Next time you do a burn out in your b-body, did it hop? Grin and enjoy what Chrysler was doing. oh, and then adjust your front ride height with a wrench - try that with something vintage and domestic.
@JrGoonior
@JrGoonior 3 года назад
@@fd797 B Bodies are the sweetest thing to watch when they launch, they just rise up and GO! No dramatics, no squat, just GO!
@sczuylevch13
@sczuylevch13 3 года назад
If you do have some nicks on your bars just sand them down and give them a good heavy coat of paint! Also the leaf spring system on Chryslers helps in the handling department too! It almost acts like 4 wheel steering, when cornering! With a classic Mopar its important to use power through the turn! Not enough to blow the tires off, just get slowed down to a good entry speed, then feed the power the whole way and she will just pull you right through! in my experience I feel A-bodys handle the best, but I'm sorting out a C-body that's been upgraded quite a bit in the handling department!
@ScottKenny1978
@ScottKenny1978 3 года назад
If you're sanding a spring, *ONLY* sand down the length of them, *NEVER, EVER* across them.
@Gothamauto
@Gothamauto 3 года назад
That's the info I was looking for, thanks!
@smallbee1234
@smallbee1234 3 года назад
Just another reason Mopars have a certain “je ne sais quoi”. I love those cars.
@CoastalAutoReactionCAR
@CoastalAutoReactionCAR 3 года назад
Love Torsion Bar Suspension!
@papaowl13803
@papaowl13803 3 года назад
Have replaced them before. Fell in love with the simplicity in what Chrysler had designed. Thanks Uncle Tony.
@johnnywrench5579
@johnnywrench5579 3 года назад
I never knew what was the big Mopar thing until I owned one. Chevy everything till I bought a d100 shortbed with a 318 4 barrel and full length headers and Flowmaster 40s .That truck ripped and sounded even better. That day I knew.
@Welcometofacsistube
@Welcometofacsistube 3 года назад
@@jonathanlawson4667 yaaaa that's 100% wrong, son
@Welcometofacsistube
@Welcometofacsistube 3 года назад
@@jonathanlawson4667 child, I have 11 mopar and have been building for over 30 years. Go back to your hotwheels, leave the big cars to the grown-ups
@johnnywrench5579
@johnnywrench5579 3 года назад
@@jonathanlawson4667 it was mostly how snsppyit was an how rowdy it sounded not at all the power .
@Welcometofacsistube
@Welcometofacsistube 3 года назад
@@jonathanlawson4667 so they're giving out "master technician" in craker jack boxes now hey? Please. Apparently passing grade one English wasn't one of your accomplishments either. trust me, child I've built more last weekend than you have in the 12 years you've been on this planet. I've forgotten more about mechanics than you'll ever know, son.
@Welcometofacsistube
@Welcometofacsistube 3 года назад
@@jonathanlawson4667 awww so cute when 12 year olds act tough
@joevalicenti2722
@joevalicenti2722 Месяц назад
I just got my first Dodge Car.... 1973 Dodge Dart Swinger 225 Slant 6. It is a documented 32,000 mile car and as I recondition it, I am finding out it is a literal piece of crap of a car. I have never worked on a car as cheaply made. I had to replace the alternator (34 amp) and all the replacements are 60 am but to install a 60 amp I have to upgrade the wiring because the wire gauge was thinner for the 34 amp cars. That is just one instance but seriously, I jacked it up on the front torque boxes and the rear under the axle. Can't open and shut the doors because the car bent..... what a piece of crap. Even the carpet is so cheap it litterally has turned into dust... not worn out just disinitrated to dust.
@NewRiverRepair
@NewRiverRepair 3 года назад
UT is always informative and can explain things in a easy to understand language! I’m not a Mopar guy but find the topic interesting Thanks Tony!
@johnwilburn
@johnwilburn 3 года назад
NewRiverRepair, where are you located? Curious because I’m in Virginia’s New River Valley.
@NewRiverRepair
@NewRiverRepair 3 года назад
@@johnwilburn I’m north of Phoenix AZ at the “Gateway to the Sonoran Desert”. I’ve never been to the New River Valley VA but I’d bet it’s a great spot !
@RapperBC
@RapperBC Месяц назад
When I first heard about torsion-bar suspension, I thought it was the most brilliant thing I'd ever heard of, suspension-wise. Simple, elegant, and nearly perfect. It just makes sense.
@hunnybunnysheavymetalmusic6542
Sadly, so many major publications crap all over TB suspension when its just THE ULTIMATE BEST!!! I've out tracked and out maneuvered SO MANY Fords and GMs in my life, its LUDICROUS!!!
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