What No-One Tells You About Jazz Drum Beats 

I'm confused. He literally swings to a click track in the video, David. What are you trying to say?

80/20 plays like he speaks ....it's a form of tourettes. I admire his dedication and his concepts are often good. ...

ok, ok...

Ringo did this in his rock band (I forgot what they were called). He had limited musical chops, but he knew how to emphasize the songwriting and not distract from it.

Right and that’s why it’s so hard for me to play outside of the jazz idiom. I played so contrapuntally for so long it feels wrong to be a time keeper the way that rock wants you to be.

ok, ok....

I was born is 2009, not even a chance 😢

@@dantheman3825 Even at my age, I was just being born around those heady days of Miles and John...😀

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Aaaaw 🤣

At least you’re playing. My kit was sold 20 years ago

Don’t worry, we’ll get there… 🥲

Lol. Me too...but I agree with them

😂

I’m not convinced that not varying the ride should be the goal. It feels like there’s an independence aspect when I play but I’d have to think about whether preemptively learning comping against the non varying ride cymbal should be such a big part of the teaching. Another thing that could be biassing me is that most students by the time they get to me already have that pretty well together but they have no idea how to play real phrases in time without losing the swing.

@@8020drummer yeah it's definitely interesting. I just figure it is a better place to start as it historically came first anyways. It also generally seems much easier to start varying the time after you are comfortable comping all sorts of patterns underneath it because then you can just let your ride cymbal pattern match up with your comping, and I personally find that easier

sure, but that's like saying "you should always be present while flying a plane; you'll be safer from crashing". You still have to learn which buttons do what.

@@8020drummer what’s that got to do with “boring”? My point is that the greatest drummers can do the simplest things without them being boring. I have found that the best remedy for boredom is to dive deeper, instead of distracting oneself by doing something else or trying to make things more complicated.

@@DinoDiniProductions and my point is that everybody always says this as if it’s all beginners need to know. You’re offering it here in response to a video teaching specific skills, I assume to mean “yes but keep in mind you can always just play quarter notes as long as you do it with feeling”. One of my ongoing frustrations is that when I was a student everybody had these absolutist one-liners and would just toss them off as if they were beyond question, not realizing that the beginners in the audience would meaningfully change course based on those words. “Oh I guess I should stop what I’m doing and just play quarters then.” Context matters. Yes, consider minimalism among many others colors on the palette, and yes, great players can and do use very simple parts without being boring. But to a beginner who’s wondering what to do within a swing beat, it’s going to be confusing.

@@8020drummerI am responding to your one liner about "boring'. I think it is incredibly unhelpful to imply simplicity is boring. I am countering that point taken from your video. I am not criticizing anything else, but making a counter argument to your specific comment. I think it is damaging because I bought into the concept of "boring' when I started making music and it took me decades to learn that simplicity is far more valuable and challenging than complexity. It irks me when I see the chase for complexity in music. I am not saying complexity is bad. I am saying that without presence it is meaningless. And I am also saying that simplicity is great tool for learning presence. And since learning to be present is the greatest challenge of all, it can never be boring. Are you seriously going to disagree with me on that?

@@DinoDiniProductions yes I will, in the full context of what I said in the video. First, the strong claim is that a beginner playing the same thing over and over because they don’t have any other options can Absolutely be boring, and telling them to focus harder is only one in a whole kit of remedies and often totally unhelpful depending on their stage. The weaker claim is that they Feel it’s boring, and want some variety without sacrificing the swing, which I think is closer to what I said in the video.

ok I don't want to be some kinda way, but I'm gonna have to say "clip me" on this. It's easy to over-interpret room audio artifacts, etc. Also, I work for hours with my students on getting a light cymbal tone and playing off the cymbal, but I'm calling BS on the "side to side" thing. Possibly relevant - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZDSJ8zK5lGo.html

@@8020drummer okydoke. Have you tried it? I've been seeking out how each ride cymbal wants to be played for 40 years. (That's an old photo of me :) )

They call it the sweet spot.

Wrong it’s the drummer not the cymbal you have to know the sweet spot of the cymbal. The first rule is to just get swing down don’t worry about tonality or dynamics also in Jazz the riding hand is always the loudest part because it’s the driving force and you not looking for a good ping sound your looking for more of chick sound similar to chick of the high hat. The bottom of the of the ride cymbal has a wash sound about 1/3 up is the chick sound and gone up you get more ping with wash and the closer to the bell you get a defined ping sound and the bell is bright ping sound this on any size ride cymbal yes hand hammer cymbals will sound better than pressed cymbals but a good drummer can make any cymbal sound good.

Possibly. Both are important. It might be that by the time students find me they already have the other stuff together. I do think it’s important, which is why I touched on it in the first part of the vid.

I change them around. These are my 15 equilibrium hats, and I have the bottom hat on top.

Deep

Peter.

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