Homosexuals are fine, just the way they are, the way G-d created them. There have always been observant Jews who are homosexual, and there always will be.
God didn't create them, satan did. Once you get to know a homosexual he will confide in you that some older guy molested him when he was young. At first they will always say no, but once they trust you they will tell you the truth. Once that happens, it's very hard for them to have a normal life, satan has stolen that from them.
@@yitzkhakkaufman3264One who wants to break Shabbat and doesn’t is fine. A man who wants to have intercourse with another man and doesn’t is also fine.
The Tanakh has so many commandments, rules, and proscriptions that everyone who ascribes to it is regularly sinning one way or another. It's interesting how religious fundies obsess over other people's sins while ignoring their own.
You're very wrong. They obsess about their own sins and confess they every morning and every night even those who never or hardly ever sin so they're constantly thinking about guarding from sin and want to guard others as well. It bothers them to know their neighbors are sinning. Those who don't care about their neighbors it doesn't bother them and then lasseiz faire.
I'd like to see the study on which you are basing this highly generalized observation of yours. I've lived in various observant communities for 35 years and don't recall anyone ever asking me about any of my sins, let alone obsessing over them ! BTW, I think the word you meant is "subscribes," not "ascribes." Feel free to call me a pedant!
I was in Jerusalem about three years ago. I was by myself. By chance, I got into a conversation with a young pretty woman in a store. She told me with pride that she's gay. I was wearing a kippah. I talked to her about the type of life she chose and she listened to me. I concluded by telling her, "I'm not chastising you for what you're doing. But look at a woman who's been gay for most of her life. A woman who is in her late forties. Look at where she is. Because that very well may be where you will be in 25 years." She thought about what I told her for a moment and actually thanked me.
so the woman in her late 40's was an old butch lesbian or was she single and looking lonely with no offspring? they dont always have to be gay to be childless,
Being homosexual i not a choice.What you told her was either mean or an act based on ignorance. I know a lesbian couple who have been together many years and have two daughters.
We either believe or we don't. One thing I have realised in my 70 years is that humans are inherently bad at behaving well toward each other and why we need guidence.
Matthew 19:12 says God prefers same-sex marriage and confirms transgender people are born that way and only Elijah has the final say. The Bible also says anyone who fails to listen to Elijah will eventually die so anyone that continues to say same-sex marriage is a sin when it is not won't be here much longer.
To paraphrase What the Rabbi is saying; Regardless of whether it’s considered natural or not, God in his infinite WISDOM deems it a sin simply because He knows the long-term results/consequences of such actions and humanity can not see that far ahead...
There are so many things that are sinful, & I couldn’t understand why God would forbid them or make them sins because those things seemed not to hurt anyone. Here I am middle-aged & Wedtern culture has gone to crap, & I completely understand now why those things are sinful. Now I regret the arrogance of my youth, thinking I knew better than God.
He is changing the very meaning of the word natural in order to suit his purpose this does not in any way answer the question but redefines commonly used words and confuses people
I feel 'natural' man is the Fallen state of man after the first sin. It is not the original holy perfect state Hashem intended for us. Natural man is at enmity with G-d. That is why we need Hashem and the Torah to guide us.
Sit in a yeshiva for a couple a years and you will start to comprehend, natural in the context of what RMF is to ask, is it less challenging, less unknown, more likely to succeed
I heard someone talk about a transparent translation as concerns homosexuality. It traced the common passages used to condemn gay people from Hebrew, to Aramaic, to Greek, to English. There were amazing changes especially when choosing Greek instead of staying in the Hebrew.
Same sex and who we are brought up with is more familiar as children. Boys often only identify with other boys. So as an adult one knows what is pleasurable in someone of the same sex. If sex is a game, then people can play it any which way. My Father used me for his sexual pleasure because my Mom hated his abusive behavior and wouldn't be near him. I needed his love and intimacy, but not adult intimacy. The process of development as a boy was spoiled by this and confused me when puberty began age 10. My confusion was perpetuated by father's family and psychiatrists one side telling me to act on my same sex attraction and religious christians friends and some others from my father's family warned me not to act on them. Christianity polarized the problem. So one could say christianity and other religions are more natural. Years after I discovered my Mom was Jewish, I began to investigate Torah for real, and abandon christian perversion of Torah. It is also a problem in the Torah world, where people cut off their heart from their head knowledge. So I also became a problem in that world for exposing abuse there as well, which is just as covered up as in the cristian and secular world. Secular world covers it up with lgbtqqaatkip+ political mentality. A 2nd P is being added to include paedophilia as a sexuality. So incest may be more natural, but it does harm a child because a child needs safe intimacy not adult sexual intimacy. As an adult one can choose to sexualize a relationship with any other adult, and let it screw one's psyche. Baruch Hashem better late than never I am beginning to experience feelings I should have been able to be safe to feel as a toddler, young boy, teenager and young man. It is frustrating to be in my 50s to begin to grow out of just same sex attraction of pre puberty to feel male enough to think my attraction to women can lead to a healthy relationship and sexual intimacy, and address how unnatural or intrusive it appears to have intercourse where urine comes out, almost as intrusive as where faeces comes out.
Sending you a big sister hug🦋…I started enjoying nature and dancing like a little girl to gain back some childhood….then I pretended I went to college @Vandi for my 50 th to heal what was stolen from me. Healing is heavenly 🦋🥰🌈🌹
I’m so sorry; no child should suffer through such horrors. Maybe you can join with other adult survivors & help society learn to protect children from such evil. I think we desperately need adults who were victims to fix the system & educate the rest of us on how to protect children without making them terrified of the world. Sending hugs, love, & prayers to you.
@@southbug27 in order to help ourselves we must have family that shut us down due to not embarrass the family. It sucks….I just didn’t do it to my kids and I see how healthy children are possible 🥰
Nice presentation But what isnt answered is the important question: "Why is homosexuality supposed to be a SIN?" the answer was "I dont know." It is NO offer for a young gay or lesbian , to leave his or her beloved partner and life in celibacy. It is NO offer for a homosexual person to marry a oposide sex person and make the other person and himself unhappy, frustratred till developing domestical violence. And all that just for a morality that nobody can say why and what for it even exist.
Religion espouses the SUPER or SUPRA NATURAL and therefore promotes and informs from that specific view. Why do people never get this? Excellent discussion!
is he smart? what is smart? is he right ? if so how do you know? how does he know the exact truth or do we humans just reason to the best of our limited knowledge and perception of who we are and how we got here! we never seen Adam and eve is it truth ? what is truth? What is God? is she he or it real? And how do we know for sure 🤷🏽♂️ not trying to be pessimist or a mean spirited dude this is just reasonable questions, why act like somethings a matter of fact and we never even seen it or even know that it exist sounds crazy really doesn’t it
@@sambell385 Have u ever seen your great great great grandmother? I have never seen her, how do I know she ever existed? How do I know YOU existed u could be an AI. Exactly my point 😏😩
@@pirateshadesproductions Knowing who your great great grandparents were is much different than talking about a supreme God The creator of all things and all of the stories and antics in the Bible, i’m just saying there’s a whole bunch of Guesstimation. Mysticism and mythology about where things came from or how things got started ,we can say it seems like it came from intelligent design that’s pretty logical , but exactly what that is we have no clue , I’m just saying humans need to quit acting like they know stuff they really don’t then they called it a fact, seems like logical reasoning to me ,we all would like to know but we don’t just keeping it real, most everybody in America Growed up in the church and live through various types of religious teaching, but it boils down to faith hope and belief and none of that = fact
He’s homosexual also, of course he’s going to rationalize homosexuality. No normal man, or rabbi, would approve homosexuality, unless they, were in fact, homosexual.
I don’t understand the thinking behind the statement “I don’t know why it’s a sin.” Especially from someone who understands the value of family in the context of religious practice. For two people of opposite genders to be together for life is the most challenging relationship on the earth. The challenge is designed by HaShem. There is nothing on this earth that encourages more growth and maturity than choosing to spend your life with someone so absolutely different than you. We simply miss the mark when we choose to spend our lives with someone because it’s easier. What could be easier than two people with the exact same make up spending intimate time with one another? It is a sun because it is the easier path.
What i understood from what he's saying is when God say's a thing is bad then it is bad, don't look for readons to convince yourself before agreeing to it or promoting it , it's all about obedience to God's instructions.
But GD himself did not say it's bad. It was written as such in a translation of a translation. The #1 thing we can do as Jews and as children of Hashim is to question everything, you can not build faith on blind following, you can't build a relationship on ignorance. A proper jew must strive to understand what it is that Hashim is asking of us and why he is asking that. Hebrew is a dead language, what we have now is a reconstruction based of a translation of a translation of a translation. It is not to be taken as the true word of GD.
What is "natural" for one person is not natural for another. I am heterosexual (born that way) but know people who are gay (also born that way), It is natural for me to want sex from women just as it is natural for gays to desire to have sex from other men. This is how we were born, how God created us. Studies show that approximately 12 percent of the population is homosexual (which, by the way, also shown in the animal kingdom). Does this mean that what the 12 percent desire is unnatural? Are you defining the word to mean what the majority do? Or were they created to be unnatural? This whole discussion seems a bit bizarre to me and has led to so much violence against guys. Judgments against other groups about their differences have also led to violence, the most obvious being the holocaust. Jewish leaders should be expressing tolerance, not intolerance.
What he's alluding to is that it's natural to seek pleasure, but the torah gives morals to guide us toward a meaninful life. But he had to send you through mental gymnastics to the point where the point was lost.
Also it would be natural for us to eat whatever food we can eat.. Yet we are given dietary commandments. A big misconception is that these guidelines are for health (which I'm glad you mentioned this misconception)
Adam and Eve where not the only people on the planet. Because: When Cain killed Abel, he became a fugitive and he said to G_d, "I must hide from you and be a wanderer over the earth, Why, whoever comes across me will kill me." And, G_d gave him a mark so he would not be struck down by others who came across him. Gen:4 vs 14&15. Am I misinformed that 'whoever and others" does not mean other people besides Adam, Eve and Cain? Appreciate a response.
I believe Adam and Eve were the first ones who obtained the ability to judge. The first thing they did was judge their nakedness, which they had to cover with fig leaves. I’m other words, they were the first humans who doubted God when they gained an awareness of themselves and their surroundings.
@@andreegross Disagree. Cain and Abel are first mentioned as children of Adam and Eve. If they had other children besides them, they would have been named first. "Whoever" and "Others" denote people besides themselves and many. And, the ability 'to kill' them is generally associated with adults not children. This doesn't make me doubt scripture, in fact it increases my belief, primarily because of these hidden mysteries.
What is more natural sex wise is to be bisexual with a preference which can change depending upon the circumstances and that sex serves multiple purposes, one being to procreate, one being to practice without procreating, and one being social where within the social context it can serve a number of different social purposes. Socially sex creates emotional bonds and can sooth disagreements, something we can clearly see in another species with similar sexual instincts, the Bonobo. With Bonobos when there is a fight or strong disagreement a major way they get past that conflicting emotion is to have sex which generates positive emotions. This happens with human relationships too, where, for example, a husband and wife have some fight where both generate hard feelings towards each other from that fight and by calming down and having a loving sexual coupling they push those hard negative feelings out while bringing in good positive feelings of love towards each other, which helps them move past the fight and strengthen their emotional positive bonds. Now, naturally, under the most common circumstances, when male and female humans mature into adults they should have sexual relations which result in children to keep the species going as needed. Outside that need for sex to keep the species going, the purpose primary purpose served is social which is very flexible and adaptable. I believe one of the major reasons we have come up with some of the social rules around sex that we have is: > Sexually transmitted diseases were a problem and one way to minimize this risk is to strongly restrict sex and further, even restrict unnecessary skin to skin touching which led to keeping most of the body covered by clothing. Having sex only within a single marriage for life greatly reduces the risk of STDs. Since homosexual sex cannot result in children, ruling that out all together reduces the risk of STDs. STDs running rampant through a social group could be truly devastating and following strict sexual rules of only have sex in marriage where marriage is between one man and one woman for life can effectively prevent STDs from happening within a society that strictly follows this rule.
As a Karaite Jew I read the Torah. I read Deuteronomy for what it says. Moses says clearly over 50 times not to add anything to it or subtract. Deuteronomy doesn't say anything about homosexuality but does about other things. Are we to believe that God forgot? Then why believe any of it? God is clear that Deuteronomy is the law.
The risk is there with incest. You may not get burned playing with matches, you may not fly out through the windshield from not wearing a seatbelt. These things are still wrong.
the reason it is forbidden is not because it can be dangerous, wrong, immoral, or unnatural. the reason it is forbidden is because god told us not to do it.
So gos said so.. ah the dogma.. without thinking why.. like saying the trinity is the truth.. because this is what God says.. one can state! same sex does not harm anyone actually, you just need common sense. There are still people suffering because their families forced them to get married.. this is nonsense.
great point, but the atheist would rebute it by simply claiming that the Bible did not come from God, but well intentioned but misinformed individuals. What would you respond to that? Would like to know, thank you!
My questions is, how is a person suppose to just shut down their attraction to the same sex? I can't shut off my attraction to women. I don't see how sin is more natural. Bestility is a sin, who naturally wants to have sex with animals? How is incest more natural, most humans are not attracted to their siblings. Nobody had to tell me incest was wrong. In order to avoid inbreeding, humans and other animals develop a strong sexual aversion to individuals with whom they have lived closely in infancy and early childhood (usually biological siblings), a phenomenon called the “Westermarck effect” or negative sexual imprinting. Even animals don't like to do incest, you think that's because animals sit around reading Torah? Homosexuality is not natural, if enough people did it, it would be the end of the species. Life doesn't try to extinguish itself, that doesn't make sense what he's saying. Every animal has an innature desire to survive, homosexuality and incest would prevent that natural desire to survive.
Sin is our natural as human beings because we were born into sin and shape in iniquity. So God had to tell us what is morally right or we would continue in our natural sin life.
It makes absolute sense. Would you accept p*dophilia? Why/why not? There’s no reason to reject it other than commandments. One can make arguments in favor of it, which actually there’s a group of people these days making arguments in favor of p*do philia; nothing can stop them from it if we accept sexual sins as normal. Same for *ncest and others.
Great teaching. I feel even secular science and studies are finding out that when people practice things forbidden in the Torah, it has a negative affect on our bodies and souls. I agree, first off, it is sin and we must fear G-d, love Him and obey. But how amazing Hashem is to help guide us not just because He have 'given the orders' but because Hashem loves us and wants the best for us. Thank you Rabbi for your wonderful teachings and faithfulness.
So our nature/what’s natural for us humans is everything that’s a sin? Our sinful nature is our baseline, then? To murder, steal, commit adultery, do homosexual practices, eat pork is our nature? Our sinful nature? Our natural state? This is so profound!!! So if by giving in to our (sinful) nature, our natural state, we cause so much destruction for our souls, in our individual lives, and the wider creation, whether we can actually see this destruction or not.
Jeremiah 17:9 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?” Romans 1:27 “And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.” Romans 1:28 “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;”
Hey what do you do if a gay guy is saved by God! Either way this was nice to hear. Use to think this but never spoke it because people aren’t use to it. But I don’t think we are focusing well when we think a gay man homosexual, which is the only talk here is sin when he has David kiss a man and it’s said they are in love so natural but then he dies. But also Moses prayed allowed for divorce. But also there is NoTHINg wrong with it just because you feel funny. And also the Bible grows and changes
I am shocked by what the rabbi is preaching here. So, murder is only a sin because God says so? He were were right if we were animals but we are created after God's image and we are able to understand the moral law. How can you compare sodomy with eating pork? Having sex with my brother is more natural than with my wife?? So, i would say to learn what is normal, look at your parents, are they your father and your uncle or you came from two women? One could argue in our fallen state sin is natural but still we are created after God's image that's why we are held accountable for our deeds. This also how rabbi Paul writes in his first letter to the Romans.
I think when Adam and Eve were kicked out of Eden that God created more humans on the other side of earth. I don’t think that Abel was married but, I know that Cain was. Cain got kicked out the area of where his parents were and was a vagabond on the earth after he killed Abel. He then found a wife. It doesn’t make sense that he would have married his sister. It really doesn’t state in the Bible about Cain marrying his sister and doesn’t say that God made other people but, it makes more sense.
Interesting but when Cain was sent away with a mark on his head I believe Cain was afraid that the others would kill him unless there is something missing in any bible that has been hidden where did those people come from did they come from Adam and Eve were they not his brothers and sisters and why would he be afraid of them. There are things that are missing in some stories unless of course they are hidden from everyone. And only a few know not really. Missing pieces to a puzzle and who can find the piece to make it complete.
This can lead to huge misunderstandings and even misuse between interaction of family members..Genetically its also prooven ofsprings might be disabled...mentally and physically.Those genderblas are no good for parents no kids..🥴
Wow, not sure where to begin with this, except that there’s lots of philosophies of men in here and more confusion using reverse logic. I’m open enough to accept people’s beliefs and ideas, especially if they appear to be sincere. So I will not question whether this discussion was or wasn’t sincere, God is our judge! I’m also open with the topic of homosexuality and totally agree that we are fixed on this topic but that reality is that if it is a sin, so it’s lying, or stealing, or being selfish, or not loving your neighbors as yourself. And because I’m not perfect and sin, I try to be understanding that God gave us the gift of agency, and so I strive not to judge others, even when I may recognize or point out what it is right or wrong. I try to do this without getting personal most of the time. Having said this, I don’t think that judging or attacking others or pointing that they are wrong and in sin and that I’m right because I know the scriptures and the will of God is helpful. By the contrary I think is harmful and breaks relationships. It is best to keep the relationship with love, respect and open communication because it will be the only way to influence others, be an example and allow enough time for us to learn and exercise our agency to change (repent) through the grace and kindness and mercy of God.
Marriage is an invention I don't know Rabbi I don't know it's not an invention, I mean if we going to the context of simplicity which an invention and metaphysical terms if I want to take it from metaphysical terms and adapt it to three-dimensional reality invention is objective for example as a mechanic I, need a spacific Auto part that I need to install in my car I have to invent that tool because I can't afford it so technically, I'm guessing that in his context he is saying they wanted at one point people wanted to invent a ceremony in which to signify in our three dimensional realm and act a physical act of taking an oath out of love in necessity for one another in one another's world, ?I guess to me the rabbi speaking in terms of marriage being an invention as this ceremonial act, in regards to Cain and Abel that's just crazy to me, but I see exactly where Rabbi is going with his questions and his responses.
"One day someone is going to come along and PROVE that homosexuality is natural. Then what are you going to say?" (10:05). It's already been tried. Some biologists saw male ducks chasing each other and mating. Their findings were published saying: "Homosexuality is not unnatural. Within the animal kingdom, it's everywhere". With that observation, all 'Biblical' arguments seem to have been dismissed. But are they?
This Rabbi says he does not want a God that serves him, but the one and most incredible special way God serves us all is by loving us. So if you want to serve a God that does not serve us, such as love, " he loves us. Then he must worship the opposite the darkness, the blindness of the world. I pray for this R😢abbi that he finds the true light" that a dream may come to him. And open up his blind mind^eyes🎉 my opinion only.
So I would have to interject here and say no, it is not more natural to have incest and homosexuality. Take wolves for instance. In a pack they do not ALL mate with each other, only the Alpha pair. So, if you go by wolves and other natural beings with higher intelligence it’s is NOT natural. And if you’ve ever had a female, intact dog you know how strong her scent is and the natural desire for intact males to mate. So while the Rabbi makes an interesting point. I don’t agree that it’s more natural to tend to be incestuous and homosexual. I believe it goes against nature otherwise the species would not survive. But people, unlike animals are able to process sex differently and use it for pleasure rather than proliferating the human race.
Maybe that's the point: "be fruitful and multiply" is the command; there's nothing commanded to seek pleasure. Pride has gotten humans in trouble since their creation.
Another curiosity for me; how is it a sin to have an affair while married, yet throughout the bible there are children of Israel born outside of marriage? Even unto may wives and concubines? Just wondering
My understanding although it could be mistaken all that you mentioned took place before Moses received the complete “commandments” all 614 before that there were only the Seven Noahide Laws that applied to all peoples .
Seems to me polygamy was well practiced into the 11th century when it was banned, but even after that many Jews still took more than one wife @@classygary
I love the rabbis videos but I think he tied himself up in knots a bit here and confused things. God exists, but when we step down to religions things start getting confused. All think they are right and there’s many differences even within Judaism. Speak to God directly and you will be guided if you have faith and trust.
It did not work out well for our people in the desert for 40 years to reject god's commandments in favor of our own personal understanding or desires or what we want outside of gods commandments. That is still true for us as Jews, the commandments are not gone because of the time that has passed. When anyone wants to justify sin , time to run for cover.
True sin is having a gift and not giving it to the world Behaviour and character refinement is highly regarded Anything below the belt should be private and confidential and kept for divine purpose When having children, openings are portholes and should be sanctified because we know better Marriage is simbolic between the two hemispheres of the brain, left and right, and reflects in the world
This argument would make much more sense if there weren't a confusion between "natural" and "tempting". For God to tell you, you must not do something, it is ,usually, associated with temptation. That it is possibly tempting for you do this thing or the other so don't do them. This doesn't mean that every act of sin is necessary "natural", in the sense of being a normal part of our lives. And the only way you can prove something is objectively morally wrong is through God, impossible otherwise. By 'God' I mean in the absolute sense, as defined in Islam.
For homosexuals, homosexuality is their nature. That’s why he puts that example. They have to fight against they nature if they don’t want to commit the sin.
If you're asking to get authorization, you won't get it. It's not allowed per the Torah, per G-d, per the Creator. Incest, whichever way it happened, occurred when there were a limited amount of people on the planet, to "get things going". G-d's choice. Following that He said "no".
ofcourse it is.. there is nothing wrong with that objectively or subjectively. it will cause no one any harm.. it's not wrong because some book says it is...
If he's having an affair with the person he has hired specifically for the purpose of having the opportunity to cultivate a sexual relationship with anothher person then he is a sexpred. But if he genuinely seeks a loving relationship, he has a good heart. Maybe the love he once had with his wife has somehow died or she has become physically / mentally incapable of demonstrating it as she once did.
".....for their women exchanged ***natural*** relations for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise the men, too, abandoned ***natural*** relations with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing shameful acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error." - Romans 1:26-28
So God is against eyes seeing naturally, ears hearing naturally and mouth speaking naturally? I completely disagree, and espouse the view that what's natural is Godly, because the nature we're talking about is God's nature, how can He be against what He created and we get by nature, that is through being born with it? It's what's unnatural thats is ungodly.
My dog licks his balls and likes to smell shit every time he gets the chance. It's only natural for him and it has certain use. Should we all behave the same? Should we fully embrace the natural way? You got things wrong. Commandments are in place for us humans to live a better life not to make us turn against the natural ways. Think about how natural is to take the food you need when you're hungry form wherever you find it. If it happens to find it form a single mother with 4 kids, so be it because it is natural, right?
I am afraid that the biblical theory of sexuality, given the bronze age in which it was conceived, did not have the language or science to contemplate the ethiology of homosexuality. The fact that the Tanach equates HS to "an abomination" betrays its human source.
It makes perfect sense. You wouldn't eat a buzzard because they are gross. What makes them gross their diet. and every unclean animal is either a rodent or has the same kind of diet as a buzzard. Sin became natural when Adam sinned.
It's kind of like...let's say your really hungry like famished and you are unable to acquire food the natural thing would be to take food even if it isnt ours... Yet there is a commandment that is given to us... Also if that's not enough it's also written on our heart in one way or another... To not steal.. since we are created in Hashems image.
You act out the commandments til they because second nature. If you struggle with something you go before God admit your sin and ask for forgiveness and ask for His assistance to avoid that sin. Your right, you make a conscious decision to do what pleases God . Your relationship with the trinity is far more valuable than anything or anybody.
