What Really Bad Therapy Looks Like: Wednesday - Therapist Reacts! 

I was “smart” enough as a child to lie to my therapist instead of tell the truth. I told them something in great confidence, but then my parents mentioned it elsewhere. They couldn’t possibly have known so the therapist had broken my trust. I knew it worked since my parents tried to help me with things that didn’t actually bother me, which was an annoyance in and of itself. People think children are dumber than they actually are. If you allow them, they can manipulate you better than any adult can.

Not to mention later on when the therapist sees Wednesday outside of therapy and is like "hello person who's in therapy with me! Let me discuss these other people I'm treating as well!" I was physically startled by how she acted.

As a trainee therapist this scene was so interesting yet so uncomfortable. The therapist was so confrontational to Wednesday and didn't show empathy or non-judgement and unconditional positive regard. Maybe it was because they wanted to set up something in the series (I'm trying to keep this spoiler free) but 100% this is not a representation of what a proper therapy session looks like. Thank you for pointing these things. It was very illuminating

When I saw this scene, the therapist just rubbed me the wrong way. Somehow, she didn't hit me as someone I'd be comfortable with if it had been me who sat in Wednesday's seat. I'm glad to see it wasn't just me. :)

She’s the kind of therapist parents hire to break their “troubled” kids. They’re not paid to actually help bridge gaps or heal trauma in the kids, they’re paid to break their spirit and mold their behavior so the parents are happy. The fact these therapists not only exist but are making bank is terrifying.

The decor of her office felt very “tell us you liked ‘Eat Pray Love’ without telling us you liked ‘Eat Pray Love’”… they were clearly going for this privileged, corporate-mindfulness persona for her character. Personally, I think they nailed her character.

One time I went to a therapist who started assuming that my writing was something psycological. It was actually really frustrating, because the writing had nothing to do with my issues, and was more of a fun escape. Please, to all the therapists, if you ask about somebodies interests and start talking about it- Don't assume and make leaps from the story or art to the persons issues. ASK them about their inspiration, insisting to delve into art and writing is bad if the person doesn't want to, or believes it has nothing to do with why they're there.

Jenna really slayed her role as Wednesday, she shone in all of her scenes. While I grew up with Christina's Wednesday more, Jenna showed that her star is surely on the rise. 🌟

After my therapist being way worse than her I thought "If I might share, I will get her to be nicer to me" It backfired. I started a session by saying "I feel bad my friends don't want to invite me to things" And she replied (relatively unprovoked) with: "I can absolutely tell why and it's obvious you will never be invited." And later this session she was the one to bring it back up again, saying "See? This is why no one wants to invite you to the cinema." .... If anyone talks to me like this? I will not want to share.

I will never forget when I was forced to go to a psychiatrist when I was in fourth grade because I was having hormonal outbursts/depressions. The principal called me crazy and told my mother I was insane and needed serious help. And my mom then forced me once a week to go see this woman. Who quickly after one session told my mother said that I was in fact: not insane. But because I was going through early puberty while I was still growing that everything I was doing was normal and not “in her jurisdiction”. She made a point to say I didn’t even need those sessions because I would grow out of it sooner rather than later. My mom got mad and we never went there again because she didn’t like what the therapist had said to her. 😅 I quite liked her though and always wanted to go back to her. Never did though, the next therapist I had literally did all the things you said not to do in this video. I’ll never forget when I told her about my trauma as a young child and her response was, “But it sounds like your fault though.” I never hated someone more than I did in that moment I’m not gonna lie. Every session after that I literally sat there and only answered her questions with, “I’m not going to answer that question” She honestly looked ready to pop a blood vessel 😂 My parents didn’t like her either because she constantly forced them to sit in sessions and answer questions about themselves and how they felt about me. While she constantly diminished everything I said to make my parents answers invalidate my feelings. It was the worst experience of my life

I was forced into going into therapy by my mom. I was woken up one day by my mom saying “get dressed we’re going somewhere” and while already in the car she told me we are going to a CHRISTIAN religious therapist…. I have severe religious trauma from growing up Christian and being told that being LGBTQ+ is going to send me to hell. I went there not wanting to open up at all but I told the therapist my situation and I even told her I had religious trauma. After that she went on the give me BIBLE VERSES 😕 it was truly the most belittling thing I have ever gone through. Not only was I forced to go into a place I wasn’t comfortable in, but afterwards when I told my mom I didn’t want to go back, she was mad at ME… for not wanting to be tricked and go through more trauma. My mom full on yelled at me for being ungrateful and was mad that she payed $60 for that session which she didn’t even ask how I felt about it.

As someone who is in therapy, having a therapist who doesn't assume they know what's going on inside my head is huge. I'm a pretty open person, but I sometimes have trouble expressing my feelings in words. It takes time for me to figure out how to describe my emotional state, especially if the emotions are complex. Having someone come right out the gate saying that they think something is wrong with me because of what someone else told them would be one of the quickest ways to get me to completely shut down.

I actually liked that they showed this therapist. I’ve had similar experiences with other therapists, and not all therapists are that helpful. I think it’s important to note that different therapists seem to have different approaches, and i feel that you need to find the one therapist who makes you feel safer to work on yourself.

I remember having to see a therapist as a kid because my father made mine and my moms life a living hell. He was the scariest man I knew, I would often be dragged away from my mother to visit him on the weekends because of custody things. It was a really horrible time so I had to visit therapy when I was around 8-10, I cant really remember. Anyway instead of helping me, the therapist started to pressure me into "forgiving" my father, asking why I don't want to see him anymore and that I should continue visiting him because "every father loves his kids" DESPITE knowing what happened to me. needless to say my mom got me out of therapy really quickly when I told her everything

I love how the Therapist at one point becomes a suspect because of course she does. Wednesday sees that she can’t trust her through her own eyes. She doesn’t trust anybody. And when even Enid leaves her, she sees it as proof that she’s meant to be alone. Of course Enid comes back and I’m glad she and Xavier is patient with her. To them, Wednesday is misunderstood but still deserving of love. I also love that they do get frustrated because it can be very frustrating to find someone that just won’t open up or show any emotions of caring. That’s why I love the hug she and Enid get in the end. Enid really cares for Wednesday and I love love love that.

So... Small spoiler to those who didn't finish the show. I really hoped that dr. Kinbott turns out to be a competent therapist, reaches her and that we can see a moment of genuine vulnerability from Wednesday. I think the showrunners might have had been afraid that an effective therapy might push Wednesday to be kinder or just more "normie", taking away her edge and her identity as this dark force of nature. But I think this is a missed chance. Dr. Kinbott could have helped Wednesday face her actual problems. Like her fear of being in the shadow of Morticia. Or the struggle to find her own way and define herself as something else than her parents' child. Wednesday could have had become a better version of herself - in the way she defines better. More dark and witty, more creative, more independent from her mother, even standing up more openly for her values. And this could have showcased that the therapy was not for the therapist or the court, but for Wednesday herself. And the "therapist can help you even if you are a dark rebel" message could have helped all those teenagers out there watching the show to find courage to seek help from mental health professionals if and when they need it. Showing her vulnerable side would have made Wednesday more relatable and more interesting too. (To be honest, while Jenna Ortega did a terrific job with her portrayal of Wednesday, I found Enid much more interesting because we can see her genuine vulnerable self and her strugles.)

I was beyond nervous when my parents asked me about therapy. However, they didn't ask if I wanted to, but if I thought it would help. It really made me think harder on the possibility, because the question wasn't about me being comfortable with the idea, but if I thought the end would justify those uncomfortable feelings. And it really did help. I don't need it any longer and I am much better because of it.

with my last therapist i expressed to her that life felt like a set of three rings: the inner rings being the comfort zone, the middle ring being the learning zone, and the outer ring being the panic zone. i wasn't sure how else to describe this feeling. you stay in your comfort zone most of the time but if you branch out a little into the learning zone you can, as stated, learn and grow, but if you go too far into that learning zone, that middle ring, you can end up in the panic zone and everything you just tried to learn will be negated. she told me she loved the way i started that, and that she'd use that to help people down the line. anyway, it was really nice hearing basically the same thing come from someone who knows more about what they're talking about than i do ! this video was a treat. there were so many things about wednesday's therapist that rubbed me the wrong way, and even had me feeling trapped.

When I watched this I guess I felt like there was something a bit 'off' with the therapist, but I'd never considered even a tenth of the stuff you brought up... it's so interesting, hopefully it will help people know what red flags to look out for in their own therapy too!

I've never had therapy one on one but as a kid in grade school through middle school I was in group therapy for "problem kids" and I am so grateful our therapist was nothing like that woman. The therapist in the show was the exact kind of authority figure I couldn't stand. As an adult, I still can't stand people like this. They are often hypocrites themselves

I was so mad that she read Wednesday's books without her permission. It felt like she was weaponizing it against her even if her goal was to help Wednesday

i remember when i was a kid, my mom walked into my room and accused me of having depressive thoughts because i wouldn't talk or hangout with anyone, i say accused because she didn't sit me down and ask me if i was alright, she stood in front of the door so i couldn't walk out until i told her even when i said i wasn't ready to open up, before i even got to say anything she told me i' m going to therapy, when all this was happening i was crying cause i was overwhelmed and she tried hugging me and took it as me proving to her that i wasn't okay, in the end she took me to the doctor they told her i have ADHD and anxiety, as well as possibly having depression, i went to a therapy session once to try it out, and all the therapist would ever bring up was my recent attitude towards my mother, ( which was because of said incident) because her and my mother talked before and was told to BY MY MOTHER

My favorite part of the therapist scenes are the decor. She has clown pictures and masks (things where people put on a “face”) and a cuckoo clock 😂. The close ups of the therapist’s face shows she’s peering in and being intrusive. Her side hobby of taxidermy where she’s attracted to posed scenes between animals was also a hilarious addition.

This happened to me when I was 7 when my parents were trying to fix their problems with my father's alcoholism. I shut down every attempt to get to open me up. I hated going there, I hated being there I hated everything about it. When guy #1 didn't work, they moved on too another guy to try and pry me open, and all he wanted to do was to drug me up. I wasn't having any of it and I fought everything. It established my oppositional relationship to therapists and psychologists before the age of 10. This didn't help when the real depression hit me at 12. I fought everyone that might have wanted to help. Things got worse from there. It wasn't until I was 14 and things had spiralled way out of control before I met the only therapist that I would talk to. I set my own ground rules. He explained his responsibilities to me and others. There was mutual respect, safety and space to be honest for once. That changed the next 4 years of my life and gave me options to go forward in life that weren't there before. It helped me understand why I keep people at a distance, my lack of willingness to trust, and recognize what my independence based mindset is good for.

My first therapist was awful. 1) My family set it up and told her what they thought was wrong, making her presume my issues. 2) She assigned me homework, I was a student at a university. I don't want to do more homework. 3) Her room was cold. Black leather couch, white walls, all the light was natural but the window view was of a city parking lot. Doesn't help that it's winter so everything looked depressing. 4) When I talk about my life, I got to my first trauma, she immediately cut me off and started tackling that issue instead of letting me finish. 5) My mom (a worrier) called her one time when I was refusing to leave my bed or eat. When I visit the next time, she was really aggressive towards me. Telling me off that my mother should not call her for issue outside of session. 6) I witness a panhandler mistreating dogs in order to make money. It made my blood boil and I told her. Her attitude was, "it is what it is" and my reaction is not appropriate as there is nothing I can do. When she cancel a session with me, I completely forgot about her and said good riddance. As I had more therapist, and learned more about mental health. I realize that she was probably new to the position and was just following the textbook. Some good therapist was a man with a physical deformity (taught me to open up to people). A psychiatrist who help boost my confidence. A elderly Sigmund Freud type man who explored my dark side. And finally a young lady who helped me process grief and taught me self-love. If your new to therapy, don't be afraid to jump between therapist. Each has their own strength and weaknesses, just pick one you feel the most comfortable with.

The "I've read about you and the books you've written" thing was like a nightmare for me to watch. Yesterday I saw on twitter that someone posted their own secret alphabet they did in order to encode their writings. You'd be amazed to know that thousands of people shared the keys to their own coded aplhabets as well. All did it to encode their writings so that others couldn't read them because they had no privacy or a sense of privacy in the house. I was surprised because I did the same, I write journals and stories, but the amount of people who also do that was astonishing. It felt extremely disrespectful to watch that because writing is not like talking. You can lie when you speak but written language is genuine. I remember Wednesday wrote about a girl solving mysteries, she even described her personality to be like hers and her relationship with mother was similar to Wednesday and Morticia's. Sometimes writing stories may not be for the sole purpose of creative writing, but for a creative way of journaling. Even well-known writers admit that sometimes their own personalities are projected onto their characters subconsciously, so just imagine how personal it's gonna be such a story written with the intention of creative journalling. Wednesday is a writer. A writer is not just someone who writes to publish and sell, but anyone who prefer and are better at conveying thoughts and emotions through writing is a writer. Some people vent through speaking to others or some draw how they feel, each are other ways of doing the same thing.

I was looking forward to your opinion on Wednesday’s line: “You’ve already decided you don’t believe me” because I’ve been there and I still have no idea how to handle it the moment I realise the therapist in turn won’t believe me 🤔

I’ve just been ghosted by my therapist for the second time. At least this time it only happened two months in so it hurts less. But I am so tired of terrible therapists in this terrible system. I wish all therapists cared as much as you do.

I love how you evaluated it as an actual therapist. When I was watching it I felt severely judged and I didn't even do anything. The way she squinted her eyes and gave that smile just felt really snarky. "And if I can't leave or escape and your trying to pry information out of me why can't I hid in the bathroom? At least I'm safe. Do you think you could go into Tyler and his fathers conversation when he's loading Elvis into the truck? I really relate to that one a lot

There's been a lot of talk recently about how Wednesday shows many signs of having autism. As a therapist, its crazy to me how she isn't aware of that part of Wednesday and never took it into account.

I always felt iffy with my first therapist. There was something about the way she would ask questions and respond to my answers that made me feel like I was being studied more than talked to. And it was particularly bad when I shared with her something private and personal, something about a boy, and she reacted by suggesting that I tell my Mom this, because "don't I want to share this important information with my Mom?" and I told her no way. It wasn't something even related to my Mom. My Mom did not need to know about it. It made me very uncomfortable that she said this. Then, after the session, she invited my Mom to talk to us and after some discussion, said that I HAD SOMETHING TO SAY TO MY MOM. She looked at me pointedly. I just said nah, I don't have anything to say. She violated my trust. :/

i appreciate that you wouldn’t read notes on the first session. i’ve had a long run of bad doctors and been faced with a lot of corruption in the industry. just this year i was placed in an abusive psychiatric hospital for two months. in their notes, they went as far as to make offhand remarks about me faking my genetic disability that has been professionally diagnosed and treated for multiple years. the location aimed to make you complacent and quiet about your struggles, so the notes they provided were not actually intended to diagnose or treat me. my mother and i have moved to another state and are now incredibly selective about what documentation we provide, since so much of it was written by someone who was either unqualified or did not like me. it makes me feel a lot more hopeful to know that some professionals will leave notes for later and first actually meet someone. had my mother and i not went through the pain of reading those notes, and a doctor did not do a first appointment without reading them, i would have professionals immediately questioning the disability that literally ruins my life.

Just started the show. Wednesday is such a relatable (for the most part) mood.

As someone who has been court-ordered to see therapists multiple times and some of them were with my abusive parent. These scenes in Wednesday were very uncomfortable, relatable, and frustrating. But thank you for pointing out these scenes and the issues in them

I had two major instances where my trust in my parents was significantly damaged. The biggest of which happened when I was about 13-14. When I was about 13 and a half, I got diagnosed with autism. At the time, I didn't know much (or really anything) about what autism even is, so obviously that was pretty scary for me. This was halfway through the school year, so luckily I did have a pretty great support system of friends I was comfortable with and would hang out with often. Turns out that my parents had been talking with the person who I was assigned to at the place I went to for help with homework (not quite a therapist, but kinda adjacent to it), and decided that it was apparently in my best interest to be sent to a special education school. Did they tell me? No. I spent the rest of the school year completely unaware of what my parents were doing behind my back, and when summer vacation rolled around I said a happy goodbye to my friends, fully expecting to see them again once the vacation ended. Well, two weeks before the end of summer vacation, I was just watching some youtube videos on my tablet, and my mom walked into the room. Translated as literally as I can, her words were "Iris, you're now going to a different school." I legitimately feel like my parents made sure everything was in order, and then told me as an afterthought so I wouldn't show up to the wrong school once the year started. That was already a major loss of trust in my parents, especially when that school, despite apparently being 'better' for me, was only detrimental to my mental health instead of beneficial. The second instance was on a lesser scale, and more to do with how I was told something instead of what thing actually happened. When I was almost 15, the rabbit that we'd had since I was 3 got sick. My mom went to take her to the vet, and although I wanted to go with her, I had an appointment at the hairdresser and thus couldn't go. Well, it turns out that the almost 12-year-old rabbit had an infection and due to her age, treatment would be extremely difficult and possibly even ineffective. So, my mom made the decision to have the rabbit euthanized. I understand the decision completely, but given that we'd had the rabbit since I was 3 and thus I could barely remember life without her, that loss hurt. A lot. And how did my parents decide to tell me that my closest animal companion was dead? By having my dad come by the hairdresser and tell me, translated word for word, "Iris, Nina is dead." I had my head in a sink because I was getting my dipdye redone, and that's how I was told. They didn't wait until I got home to sit me down and tell me in a comfortable environment, they didn't even wait for me to be done with my haircut, no. They told me in an environment where I was in full 'out in public' mask. I had to force tears to seem even a little normal. Mind you my parents aren't bad parents, but they're both painfully neurotypical with two neurodivergent daughters (my sister has Tourette's). It's no surprise that my most comfortable and safe person growing up was my sister, and not one of my parents.

I remember this one counselor that on the second session she wanted to talk to me about a really traumatic event to me. I kept telling her that I didn’t feel comfortable with doing so but she kept asking and asking. After the tenth time of asking I yelled at her because she didn’t listen. I was in tears and then she yelled at me. She said I was disrespecting her and she wouldn’t take it. It felt so wrong because she knew it was a sore subject for me, and she was the one trying to force me to talk about it. I will mention again that it was only the second session.

19:13 The way your sitting stiffly forward and making direct & serious eye contact made my brain go !!! Demonstrated your point perfectly.

The therapist in this series reminds me of the school psychologist at my high school lol. I got put in there one time because people were spreading rumors about me self-harming that weren't true, and even though I proved that it wasn't true, he seemed to insist that I was in denial and just believed everyone else. I was just trying to figure out a way out of there because he was so annoying, so I was silent for a little while and then said something like, "Can I just go now?" and he literally said, "Oh, I thought you were about to share your life story or something." Like... do these people even study psychology? Other than the psychologist from my elementary school, every school psychologist that I've met has been the same amount of awful and they always expect the same thing out of everybody lol

Now that I think about it...the whole room seemed to put Wednesday in the spotlight, as if it was a trap. I wouldn't mind as much, since I'm on the grey area of things. However, the therapist, felt aggressive and invasive, that would of cause my threat assessment to go off.

As a therapist, this was healing. Thank you.

I was sent to a psychologist in elementary school due to problems I had with learning and bullying. My parents did tell me beforehand. She was nice to me, made me feel comfortable around her and I came to like talking to her. I was diagnosed with ADHD and she sent my school a list of suggestions to help me learn (a lot of teachers did not want to do it, but my parents asked for a meeting with them and they did apply what the list told them)

I was forced to meet up with a psychiatrist, a year ago. You see I'd finally told my parents about some of my problems and then with them panicking, they forced me. Which is why I never talked to him. We spent 3 or 4 sessions together, with me barely even talking. I never felt comfortable because they'd forced me and hadn't even told me anything until the said day. Now that I want to go to therapy to get a diagnosis that I believe is something relative to me, I've started going. Much happier and I trust her, at least more than my other. Don't force anyone to go to therapy. It might make it worse. Encourage them, but don't force them.

I'm glad you brought up dark art and how it can be very healthy for people to make it. I tend to make art that people may find dark or even gross or cringe, and I like to say that it's "free therapy."

I quit therapy because I had a therapist that did a lot of these things. I love how you explain how it should have been. You vocalized a lot of my thoughts.

I must say it is not just in the media that therapists get a bad rap. I have been seeing therapists for thirty years and have had exactly one which I felt really cared about my well-being. True it has been mostly those therapists whose clients are poorer in such settings as county hospitals. I always got the feeling that they were overworked and didn't have time to really help, nor any particular interest in doing so. Psychiatrists appear even more disinterested, I even had one who wore sunglasses during the sessions which made me very uncomfortable.

my mom is a therapist and from what i learned form her, there’s a scene when they see each other in public and the therapist goes up to her and talks to her and like starts a conversation and i was just thinking, she’s not allowed to do that by laws of confidentiality. there were a few scenes like that where i was just like, that’s not allowed…

I can see the benefits to therapy for many types of needs and life-transforming changes. I believe and agree that the deeper and more difficult issues people have, the more need of a therapist who believes and utilizes your stated beliefs and practices about therapy techniques. My impression is that, unfortunately, you are probably a rare gem. Much respect to you.

I love the idea of this episode; how you analyse Wednesday and psychotherapist - awesome 😀 makes you look at it from totally different angle 😀 perfect dress up - as always 😀

Georgia Dow I have to say I really adore your content! You're well spoken, easy to understand, honest, and offer a great level of psychological talk, as well as a down to earth personal touch. Let alone your attention with different media's makes it all that much easier to watch your videos!

“He lost a testicle” Georgia, you trying not to laugh, made me laugh so much 😂😂😂 So glad you covered this therapy session. I binged watched the show yesterday and was hoping you’d cover it. My thoughts on Wednesday’s therapist: Is she really a qualified therapist because YIKES! 😂 Watching the show I did wonder if the therapist was some kinda stooge in a way. Someone pretending to be a therapist to then relay information back to the Principal, but no, she was meant to be be an actual therapist as a character. 😭 This “therapy” session was way too heavy for a first session and wasn’t, in my opinion even therapy at all. There was no written agreement signed to explain the confidentiality agreement, nothing… but then that’s what Tv shows etc skip usually for story purposes. From the moment the therapist said “I read the notes from your school counsellor” I knew she was going to be terrible. Not so much from what she said, but the way she said it. Her body language and vocal tone came off as one of those former “Mean Girls” in High School. As the therapy session continued, the more I saw that High School Mean Girl persona come out. At first it felt like she was infantilising Wednesday a little by speaking to her like an adult might speak to a 6 year old, and not the teenager she is. Then when Wednesday used the word “adversary” the therapist had that “clutching pearls” demeanour to her. Was almost like the old fable. I forget the name of… - “let me help you” said the monkey to the fish as he places the fish in the tree. It was from the word “adversary” it seemed like the therapist needed some therapy of her own because it became a power play to her, and very personal. She seemed to be trying to dominate Wednesday by trying to make her feel less than human, different, unacceptable, weird etc just like a mean girl from High School would. My inner child felt uncomfortable for Wednesday and my inner teen and I wanted to save her. That said, Wednesday isn’t the type of girl who would take offence at “normies” having opinions of her. She also wouldn’t be forced to change and assimilate to the “normie” way of being, nor should she be made to feel as though she has to change and assimilate - that kill or be killed instinct can apply to kill someone else’s personality or have your personality killed when applied to bullying tactics. Side note: It’s interesting that as a therapist she was taking this approach and not meeting Wednesday as who she actually is but more how she [the therapist] wants Wednesday to be. It was like she wanted Wednesday to be a “normie” not who she was. This might be my own autistic experience as lens here but that’s how it feels when allistic neurotypical people want autistic people to behave, think, and experience the world like they do when we can’t. ABA therapy is abuse in that way and very different from the healthier interventions that work with the autistic as they are to help them cope in a world not built for them. It’s that kinda attitude in a therapist that makes me think about colonialism too, how the colonisers wanted to strip away everything that made Indigenous, & African people they enslaved who they really were and replace it by forcing them to assimilate to their ways. And we see this referenced in Wednesday’s understanding several times. Not just in this series but also throughout Wednesday as a character in the movies like Addams Family Values etc. So to me the therapist is giving very much a coloniser attitude in her Mean Girl from High School attitudes and behaviours. Back to the session, when the therapist was noting Wednesday’s story of Viper and her mother Dominica… it felt like she wasn’t my getting anywhere with Wednesday and in frustration she weaponised Wednesday’s stories - imagining myself in Wednesday’s position, the therapists tone and body language felt like a stab to the heart and a twisting of the knife when she’s implying that she is viper and her mother is Dominica. It felt like being exposed and wounded, and having her own works being the weapon wielded by someone else it’s no wonder Wednesday got up and escaped using the bathroom. Loved this video, Georgia! Your takes on it are so accurate as always. I would be happy to have you as a therapist any day. Also love what you said about the room set up and how it was more obvious to the client where they sit with the tissues there. I noticed that it was a chaise long (not sure how to correctly spell that word) that Wednesday sat on and that’s usually the stereotype that people hole of going to therapy - the client lays down and talks - so it’s more assumed that would be the chair for a client to go to. And I love the fact that as a therapist you consider the clients needs like taking a walk or sitting in nature to hold a session. I’d love for that to be an option in the UK where I live. But therapists here are very… traditional.

This scene makes me think back to when I was younger and had to end up having to change therapists several times because the previous ones had rubbed me the wrong way. Not to the degree of Wendy's in the show but they would try to make me talk about things I wasn't ready for yet. Like trying to dive into my social anxiety on session 3 when I was still getting used to seeing them or they wouldn't pick up on me being bored with the questions they were asking me. It didn't feel like they were trying to form an alliance but rather try to just figure out what was wrong so they could fix me. Thankfully now I have coping skills that help me with my social anxiety even on days when it's a challenge and I have multiple ones just in case one doesn't work in that moment

The therapist really freaked me out, the way she’s characterised, especially in a show where you know actual monsters exist made me think she was up to no good immediately. I go to therapy myself, and I couldn’t help thinking about myself in the situation as a comparison to Wednesday (I’m far more open than she is, but if confronted with that I’d have only said the bare minimum too)

I had such a traumatic experience in my childhood, I still cannot go to therapy because of how sick to my stomach it makes me feel.

it took me a really long time to find a therapist that didn't try to fix me and instead just let me sit and rant and feel my broken feelings. i don't want someone to "fix" me, i want to learn how to "fix" myself, on my own. if that means reaching out, then so be it, but i want to have that control over my own health. it's difficult. my current therapist has been with me for 7+ years and i'm so glad i have her in my circle

I wonder how she would analyze Robin William's therapist character in Good Will Hunting. Particular the scene where Damon's character first meet with him and the scene where Williams has that monologue in park scene. It would be interesting to see a video reaction to that if she hadn't already.

that therapist really scares me, i would not feel even a little bit comfortable there... she genuenly feels evil to me, like she is out to get me... if i were in wednesdays place i would either not talk at all or lie just to get away...

I was (kinda still am) almost EXACTLY like Wednesday as a child. I was dark, morbid, mentally... not what others wanted in society, and was nearly forced into therapy SO OFTEN that I had the same reactions as Wednesday so in this scene (one of the first things I noticed was how inaccessible the door was for Wednesday from the get-go) and didn't like this therapist. I'm glad my therapy is online and over messages now because otherwise I'd read too much into it and immediately get on the defensive (even though I'm the one that signed up for it and am paying for it).

I've had a lot of bad psychologists... the last one told me to my face that if I was getting better "it was entirely because of how good she was as a professional" and laughed,I was just sitting there speechless;needless to say i stopped going to her place. I also hate how i didn't get credit whenever i was seeing any psychologist in the past,any "progress" i had it was brought up like "oh you're so much better since you're seeing x" it angered me cause i knew they weren't helping at all and if i had changed in that short amount of time it was just because i didn't want to waste my money _and_ still wake up late at night and not doing basic things,etc. It drained me so much i don't think i wanna go back

Being able to be completely safe in therapy is very important, and having a good space to do it in. I was in my parent's house throughout the pandemic and was continuing my therapy remotely, which really was not ideal with how much I would have wanted to let loose and get out of me, as I always felt the walls were very thin. It began to annoy me as I felt like there were topics I shyed away from that needed to get out into the open, but I was wary of going near them in case I got too worked up and could be heard in someway.

This show proves to me ive only encountered bad therapists in the past 2 years

I went to therapy when i was having an anxiety attack. I don’t remember that session much mostly me crying. And the second session we sit in silence. Idk if she want me to start talking first or what but it was uncomfortable especially i came here for my social anxiety and when i told stuff she pretty much judged me. So im trying to figure out things by myself now. Wednesday’s therapist remind me of her

What I noticed in the shows a lot was how stern the tone was from the therapist. It didn’t seem soft or caring, it just felt like “let’s just get this over with”

I have spent years going to first appointments with therapists until I found the one I feel comfortable with, and this scene reminded me of the ones that made me run away immediately 😅starting from the "vibe" of her space to the tone of her voice.

I liked that her room was really nice as a neutral space. I went to a therapist after being in the hospital that was covered in pinks, purples, fluffy pillows, and happy images. It made me feel like I was coming into a happy place as a sad person and I knew I stood out in it. I've noticed since that all the therapists I've liked have had very neutral spaces.

That part where she was told her work is grotesque and dark, she should seek psychiatric help, and how that made me think about Junji Ito, who makes such horrific, grotesque, dark, morbid stories... but he as a person is so loving, happy, friendly, and kind. I am sure she was told that many times, but because he was a manga artist mainly, rather than a writer of books, he had an easier time getting his works published, and became such beloved works there is actually effort being put in to make a proper adaptation of his work into a show.

the adversarial nature of Wednesday is also explained in Ep 7 when she asks her mother why she would send her somewhere she could only exist in her shadow. when morticia tells her its not a competition, Wednesday snaps that "everything is a competition". thats her worldview and the reason she gravitates toward people like Enid and Bianca who actually provide her with an honest challenge instead of relying on manipulation or pressuring her into something they feel entitled to.

We find out that stuff was so common in the way she reacts to smileing people, Wednesday finds warm tones menacing/hostile. As such, all that light and air and pastels is a terrible choice

This is very a enriching analysis on this little scene, and it makes me genuinely want to try find a better therapist than the one I bring up below, when I'm able to keep working on myself and my mental health. Thank you Shamelessly adding my own bad therapy experience: My self esteem was on an all time low when I met my first proper therapist due to declaring my depression prior to my country's compulsory enlistment for males who come of age - and she might as well have been a robot. At the very end, I felt desperate/safe enough to confide in the therapist (whom I'd been taught was a person who would listen and help me) about a traumatic incident from school that had haunted me, that I was seeking validation for - a teacher unfairly humiliating and screaming at me in front of the class for a small mistake - and she essentially handwaved my trauma, saying she had teachers who did the same and worse, she even got caned by them. But it wasn't until I was at home and my nerves had calmed down that I realized she had just belittled my trauma. Different people handle stressful situations differently, and she had just completely disregarded how that incident affected me severely and concretely catalyzed my anxiety disorder. "I suffered worse and I'm fine, so what's your excuse, snowflake?" I wish I had the self-esteem, guts and brains to do what another comment did, blatantly make clear I was the patient and deserved better help than she was giving. I tried to cancel the follow-up appointment due to the undue stress it was causing me on top of army duties, and when I couldn't just mustered the courage to smile sweetly and tell her I was fine in the new environment so I'd never see her again (which of course elicited a wide smile from her, so happy another tick was so easily off her list) Thankfully I'd talked to a councillor prior who was a far better therapist, who made me cry every session delving into my mental state but whose words and lessons gave me much more strength and empowerment than the therapist's ever did. I never was able to find his contact, but I'd love to tell him how much he helped me if I could.

"Someone who crochets is not a worthy adversary" would've gotten a genuine chuckle and a fist-bump out of me. (But, then, my nickname as a teen was "Daria"--and later, "Satan"---and Addams Family Values is one of my favorite comedies, so I'm a lost cause and definitely not THIS school's go-to referral for therapy. :D ) I also hate the therapist's body language.

I was hoping Georgia would address the pros or cons of playing foreboding music while you lecture your client about the upcoming process of therapy.

You changing your look in every video to match the character you're analyzing is a relatively minor, yet really underrated detail that helps set this channel apart imo

I’ve found often that some truly morbid people are some of the most grounded and well adjusted and most reliable people I know.

This videos really powerful, made me teary eyed, felt like u were describing someone I know. I wish there were more therapists like you, I think I might’ve actually opened up properly if that were the case

My son goes to a counselor. It was never against his will but took him a long time to get to comfortable. As a parent, the biggest annoyance I have is when the counselor asks me for ideas of what could help. If I had those answers I wouldn’t be shelling out hundreds of dollars for counseling sessions every week. I’ll give you all the information you could ever want about my child’s personality, interests, environments, relationships, etc…but if I’m coming up you for help it’s because we have hit a wall so many times that we need some new perspective and ideas.

LOL! I absolutely love the pigtails. They look great on you. Another great commentary as usual. 😃

the "therapist" honestly acted like she was the "Bad Cop" in an interrogation scene. it didn't feel like a "therapy session" it felt like a hardcore interrogation

When I watched the show, I saw the character was created to be a therapist who didn’t really know how to do her job with Wednesday, or just bad at her job period, which would make her another constant verbal punching bag for Wednesday’s one-liner style of jokes. Plus it’s a chance to flesh out the main character’s response to authority that she can’t openly fight, unlike her constantly butting heads Weems (the principal) and the sheriff

It's funny. Wednesday experienced growth, despite therapy, not because of it. The mother she vilified, sent her to this school so she would be challenged, which is something all bright kids need. She loses a fencing duel, likely her first ever defeat, and is graceful and does not have a break down. She gets a better understanding of her mother, and reconciles with Morticia, and Morticia recognizes that Wednesday is her own person. She got close to a boy, then hurt and betrayed by him, but did not let that cause her to push everyone else away. She forms bonds of friendship, and even ponders pursuing romance again. I really hope she goes for the bee keeper instead of the artist. Yeah, the artist pushed her out of the path of a falling statue, but the bee keeper intervened when the villianess brought a gun to a sword fight, swarmed her in bees, and laid her at Wednesday's feet to do with as she pleases. Anybody could have shoved her out the way...

Ive been to multiple "therapists" all they ever did was nod their head and write on a clipboard.

From what I've heard from other sources, this video is sorely needed, because apparently there's this "cottage industry", if you will, of bad therapists who quietly appeal to abusive parents to try to get kids to fall in line with said parents (sort of like Dr. Phil except some can and do get their licenses renewed by committing no technical violations or by exploiting the vulnerability and naivety of minors). And judging from the way things are from some kids, and the fact that such parents are also attracted to the far worse "troubled teen" industry, I believe that - in no small part because if you find great evils, there are similar lesser evils that also exist, especially within similar geographic and/or cultural areas. And while "lesser evil" usually refers to a bad option you have to choose because the only other option is worse, in this case it isn't something you should choose - there is no good reason to choose a bad therapist on purpose just because you want to validate a desire to abuse a kid.

My parents made me go to therapy as a teenager for depression. I didn’t want to go so I kind of just told the therapist what I thought she wanted to hear 😅 I recently started therapy as an adult by my own choice and its been going a lot better. I’m a lot more honest and receptive

I had a therapist try to be adversarial (at least I hope it was that and not just being a nasty human)--I told him the things that were making me go on crying jags over and over and basically putting me in a position where I was having trouble functioning, and he said, "Eh, everyone has money problems. Is that all?" I had no idea what to do with that. (Of course, my bad habit is that I then turn around and try to make other people laugh, including therapists, so instead of saying, "Seriously, dude, wtf?" I made a joke about it and pushed it until I got a laugh, so bad patient on my part.)

I am a writer myself and while being a heavily guarded man emotionally i pretend to be charismatic to hide anything dark. My novels always show quite sensitive topics and im not really against sharing it; but being emotionally guarded i felt indescribably uncomfortable when wednesday’s therapist said that she read the books without permission especially to someone like that who could possibly equivalent me through my writing. It just doesnt sit well to me, i tend to only share my draft works who i know wont judge me.

When watching this scene, I did feel very uncomfortable with what the therapist was doing, but I couldn't exactly explain why, so it was nice to see a professional break it down

Awesome video. As someone who’s a bit oppositional I related to Wednesday’s session and why I stopped therapy. My therapist read my book ahead of time. Which was fine but she told me. Loved Wednesday’s take on editors. 😂

god the therapist pissed me off so bad. her techniques, how she talked to wednesday… i was screaming NOOOOO YOURE NOT QUALIFIED STOPPPP.

Five minutes in, and already i feel like this speaker needs to come and retrain everyone in the field in my home state. Been to therapy multiple times in multiple providers. Not a one took mental disability compounded with years of mental/emotional abuse seriously.

19:47 when you talked about the therapist being anxious, I remembered the first time I tried out therapy, it was so weird. Because the therapist seemed more shook and concerned for the things in my life than I have ever felt, it was so weird and also it wasn’t anything big that actually deserved concern. It’s really awkward when the therapist seems even more effected and sad than yourself😂😂😂 well I got better on my own, but I know that I won’t go to that specific therapist again. If I want someone to feel sad for me and be concerned I just talk to my grandma😂

I am so glad your nerdy self is making these videos for my nerdy self to enjoy!

i have this really intense aversion towards any form of therapy these days because pretty much every single one i ever visit does the same thing every time they listen to what you say is your problem and then proceed to fix you and "help" you by doing what their little books tell them my problem is they dont care how you personally feel and if what you are experiencing is different to what others with the same issue may feel instead just looking up what the general issues are and just slapping you with a treatment and talk according to what their training and books says is wrong about you :/ i think i have met one or two who didn do that but its a big shame that so many out there just follow their guides and dont care to find out if maybe your situation is different

You should analyze Jim/James Moriarty (BBCs Sherlock). He is a pretty interesting character

The first therapist I went to she told my parents everything. What I said, what I feel, what I'm afraid of, what I'm mad about. Once I found that out I stayed quiet until I was dropped. Second therapist sent me to a psych ward when I got a little too open with him. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. That was the last time I will ever step foot in a therapist's office.

As soon as that scene started I started to question if the other students at Nevermore actually “swear by her”

16:03 hit hard. i cant express my darkness to anyone with the exception of one person, but i have said nothing to them about it

I also immediately didn´t felt comfortable with the therapist and how she acted but I think it´s important to realize that the show is centered around Wednesday / told from her perspective and that could be why the therapist is how she is. It could just be that thats how wednesday saw her and interpreted her behaviour, based on her trust issues. (and thats what we, the audience, therefore also saw) OR my other theory is that every character is just over the top stereotyped in a Tim Burton cartoony way, yes these characters have depth but they often represent just one big theme to themselves. (Enid is loud and outgoing, Wednesday is the opposite, Tyler is the warm barista crush, Xavier is a troubled artist etc.) I think the sole purpose of Miss Kinbott is just to exist as a Therapist and thats why shes so "horrible" at it

Being surprised by going to therapy and being informed by my therapist that I had been labeled a problem child and that "labels tend to stick" was a key moment in my development as a human being. Specifically it began a lifelong obsession with lying and telling people I'm fine, acting correctly and doing whatever is needed to make them not think of me as a problem. So yeah, I'm with Dr. Dow on this, surprising your kid with putting them in therapy is not going to get the results you were hoping for. Unless the result was a total inability to trust you, the therapist or adults in general, in which case surprising kids with therapy basically lets them speedrun to those outcomes.

Maybe you could look at the therapy scenes in “Rick and Morty”

I went to therapy once, after already needing it for at least a decade and maybe even facility treatment. Bullying, trauma, parents and family just leaving me alone, losing one job after another and just having a really miserable time being a human. I got antidepressants, which worked wonder and made me able to pick myself up again and continue my fight. Other than that, my therapist made everything worse and I still didn't get a diagnosis for my autism... Before that I went to a psychiatrist at the beginning of everything that went wrong (starting a new school at class 5) and he said I was fine, he talked to me and gave me things to solve. My teachers wanted me to go there because all the kids bullied me and I never fit in. My parents jsut told me there might be something wrong with me and I may be crazy and need a facility treatment, which made everything worse... All the adults put me in a bad place and made it only worse, and I am still salty about it, but eh... Whatever, the ball is rolling in the right direction now and when I have to do it alone, than so be it. Sometimes I wish I could get at least some help, but I guess I am not a person others want to help :(

Right away I felt sympthy for Wendsday seeing this this video because I remember I was so afraid of being judged for my feelings and being told I need to be put on meds due to my anxeity and paranoia when I went to my Therapist in collage. I was afraid the Therapist was going to treat me *exactly* how this one did with what was going on at the time. (Didn't help matters that I was in a very Narssistic abusive relationship where I was gaslit in a way that I thought no one would believe me) I probably would have put up walls like Wendsday did if it did turn out like I feared and I would have been really turned off by therapy complately. Instead I got a wonderful Therapist to the point I wish I have the medical insurance to go to one. I was given grounding tools when I did open up enough to ask for help and I was given time to just... ease into explaining my feelings and my therapist started asking me what were my hobbies and why I enjoyed them. (I was also asked why I felt like I needed to go into Therapy but that question was actually for paperwork reasons as she explained to me and not something I had to go into depth right away until I felt safe enough to feel to talk about.) She also didn't do the whole "And how did that make you feel?" question at all. She worded things where it actually created a conversation and where *I* Could ask questions to understand what was going on instead of it prodding into my emotions like a prober into my body. She gave me enough freedom to actually learn and actually take away things so I could use when I wasn't in therapy.

10:29 Yeah, when it's done CORRECTLY, it does