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What REALLY happened Korean Flight 007?? 

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It’s the hot summer of 1983, and the cold war rages.
Ronald Reagan is US president, Michael Jackson’s Thriller is at the top of the charts, and Pacman is all the rage.
The threat of nuclear war looms large, and every political football risks being used as a reason to whip out the nuclear football.
This almost comic juxtaposition of pop, and politics formed the backdrop against which Korean Airlines flight 7 took to the skies above New York on August 31st.
On this night, in an atmosphere thick with cold war tension, an incredible series of events would unfold out over the Pacific Ocean, which would bring the world to the brink of war.
This is the incredible story of Korean Airlines flight 7.
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Big thanks to David for his knowledge and input on B747 systems, and historical aviation context for the video.
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@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
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@DCuber196
@DCuber196 Год назад
my honest first reaction: ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
@avishjha4030
@avishjha4030 Год назад
What's with the reupload?
@ItsaB3AR
@ItsaB3AR Год назад
Great video. I watched it earlier in a currently unlisted upload, so came here to like again.
@GerardVaughan-qe7ml
@GerardVaughan-qe7ml Год назад
​@@DCuber196They forgot to bring the monkey along to check position now and then ?
@GerardVaughan-qe7ml
@GerardVaughan-qe7ml Год назад
​​@@DCuber196But the CIA's plane just remained unmolested. Anyone thinking that's a bit odd is obviously a twisted conspiracy theorist - probably a "Racist and a White supremacist - on Thurdays. And the red and green "Nav lights" ? Oh our poor old Migs just couldn't catch up with this damn thing- then we "ran out of fuel" !😂 A passenger list - with employment sketch for each - might shed some light on this "unfortunate incident". Was it MH370 - or the one shot down in Ukraine - with corpses on board - contained some top engineers of Freescale semiconductors apart from all else. Patents ownership sort of stuff. These folks heads don't work like "yours and mine".
@philmorris8862
@philmorris8862 Год назад
"Asleep at the wheel" is the phrase that best describes this crew. So many mistakes and failures to pay attention to detail is bordering on criminal negligence. 🌵🌵🌵
@rcajavus8141
@rcajavus8141 Год назад
single mistake is an accident, two mistakes in a row is stupidity, three and more "mistakes" in a row is intentional
@danozism
@danozism Год назад
I wouldn't say 'bordering on criminal negligence'- I would say 'definite criminal negligence'. How in the world could such an experienced flight crew fail to acknowledge so many signals that things were amiss? Given the various explanations for what happened, I find it impossible to believe that something more sinister wasn't going on. The crew must have been aware of the increasingly aggressive diplomatic tensions between the USA and the USSR. As such, if it were me flying that plane on that particular evening, I would have been constantly making sure my aircraft stayed as far away as possible from USSR airspace. Such an odd, frustrating story! 'Asleep at the wheel' indeed.
@mikefatrouni5759
@mikefatrouni5759 Год назад
Great video what a tragic loss of life, LORD have Mercy
@grahamstevenson1740
@grahamstevenson1740 Год назад
This came at a time when KAL were losing airframes at what seemed a fairly regular rate. In more recent times it's ceased. Maybe the discovered CRM ?
@grahamstevenson1740
@grahamstevenson1740 Год назад
@@Bobman84 Meaning what, Ivan ?
@shadowexecutive3243
@shadowexecutive3243 Год назад
I remember when this happened and thought it was strange that a commercial airline with the flight number "007" would be shot down for spying. It was a very disturbing event and during a very turbulent and dangerous time.
@geoffshred
@geoffshred 9 месяцев назад
It was in the National Enquirer as a "psychic prediction" before it happened - I read it.
@dan797
@dan797 8 месяцев назад
I always heard there was government surveillance equipment on board from a reliable source
@The_ZeroLine
@The_ZeroLine 6 месяцев назад
@@dan797LMAO. Sure you did.
@ghostface9171
@ghostface9171 6 месяцев назад
Hes right, i was the source ​@The_ZeroLine
@hansjalv
@hansjalv 5 месяцев назад
If you want to know what REALLY happened, read: James Gollin; Robert Allardyce: "The Tragic Flight of KAL Flight 007".
@RareFroggy
@RareFroggy Год назад
I can't lie, I love these longer videos
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Good to know! I'm thinking of continuing to make the longer ones
@RareFroggy
@RareFroggy Год назад
@@GreenDotAviation I'll be looking forward to that
@alibalogun6451
@alibalogun6451 Год назад
@@GreenDotAviationyes, please do 🙏🏽
@antoniokastrocarlisledemel6617
Bruh u beat me to it cuz everytime he uploads i look at the runtime...the shorter ones I try to stretch out by rewinding...i mean more than usual since these things are so good i constantly rewind anyway
@antoniokastrocarlisledemel6617
​@@GreenDotAviationoh I'm most definitely with that..i play the shorter ones in slow mo to get all i can
@pemegangkoencisyurga
@pemegangkoencisyurga Год назад
My driving instructor advised me that sometimes drivers' mistakes on the road are not because they lack experience, but because they feel they understand everything. I think this advice works for everything.
@redbad
@redbad 6 месяцев назад
Confirmation bias
@katamine11
@katamine11 6 месяцев назад
@@EVG_Channelnot exactly but sort of I guess…
@bombkirby
@bombkirby 5 месяцев назад
@@EVG_Channel Dunning Kruger effect is about people who know absolutely nothing act the most confidently. What OP said was about how people who DO know everything tend to get overconfident.
@randymillhouse791
@randymillhouse791 3 месяца назад
@@EVG_Channel AKA the Trump ignorance.
@ck2music712
@ck2music712 3 месяца назад
Yep, it's called becoming complacent...
@Jennx7080
@Jennx7080 9 месяцев назад
We were stationed @ Anderson AFB in Guam when this happened. Dad was a SAC B-52 radar navigator, the perfect military specimen to fly around with nuclear weapons. He never let on about the stress/pressures he was working under as they were top secret but we went from having him home between alerts (twice a month) to he wasn’t home the next morning when we woke up & was gone for months. Man I wish I could ask Dad about this specific time period, sadly he passed very young at 56.
@ordenmanvrn7685
@ordenmanvrn7685 Месяц назад
Still might be worth it to ask his colleagues if they are still around and if you are curious enough. Would love to hear that myself
@pwgearedturbofan2348
@pwgearedturbofan2348 Год назад
I'd venture that negligence over the whole trip kind of makes sense. Certain aspects of Korean culture, from my understanding, seem to be focused on not rocking the boat and keeping to appearances. Look at the behavior around the Sewol Ferry disaster. A ferry full of children capsized, and one thing rescuers tried to do was to connect an air hose under the boat to supply them with air while they worked on another plan. The divers were unable to do that, but they claimed that they succeeded because the president was watching. One, or some of the pilots may have done something similar. They may have made a mistake but did not want to announce that for fear of causing trouble and looking bad in front of the other pilots, so they just kept quiet because everything was good up until then.
@Steror
@Steror Год назад
Saving face culture is absolutely horrible. These kinds of things are bound to happen when it's normalized to ignore or hide problems. My blood was boiling hearing about all the safety checks they missed.
@grahamstevenson1740
@grahamstevenson1740 Год назад
The Sewol tragedy mimics the cultural norms of KAL007 neatly.
@patthewoodboy
@patthewoodboy Год назад
Similar situation to the Korean Cargo plane that crashed after taking off from Stansted, the culture was the issue.
@jokerofmorocco
@jokerofmorocco Год назад
Although, even if that's the case, they could've still fixed their path without telling the other crew. I feel like the pilots should know the dangers of flying into Soviet airspace at the time
@elliotoliver8679
@elliotoliver8679 Год назад
Politley say "Excuse me captain the instruments indicate that we are in Russian airspace"
@raymondhaley6185
@raymondhaley6185 Год назад
That flight 007 strayed way too far off course, even worse still is the fact the crew was completely oblivious to their own flight plan made no correction and remained in the dark until it was too late.
@InspektoraDeFrutas
@InspektoraDeFrutas 2 месяца назад
I don’t think any of that was a coincidence! It sure seems like a definite recon mission CAMOUFLAGED as civilian plane. Plus, two planes of the same flight flying 3 minutes away from each other?! Yeah. Boo-hoo!!! 😒🙄🙄 Who still believes in fairytales?
@nyvkroft6530
@nyvkroft6530 Год назад
RU-vid decided I must be bored of boat-related incidents and aviation accidents are next. They weren't wrong, I've binged almost this entire channel.
@taco1010
@taco1010 9 месяцев назад
What are good channels for boat accidents?
@jetblackjoy
@jetblackjoy 6 месяцев назад
Same
@jetblackjoy
@jetblackjoy 6 месяцев назад
​​​​​@@taco1010Brick Immortar, Maritime Horrors, Casual Navigation, Big Old Boats
@wazza33racer
@wazza33racer Год назад
I have seen older videos about this incident, but this video gets in a lot more facts and explanations. Im now astonished that a previous airliner had been shot down belonging to KAL and these pilots in the 747 were so negligent in not knowing their location or failing to verify as per their own procedures, or were trying to take some kind of "short cut".
@user-uw7cr4os4r
@user-uw7cr4os4r 8 месяцев назад
There is no way they tried to take a shortcut. They knew perfectly well that would take them into Soviet and even North Korean airspace. Add in that it would require not one but three people to conspire to risk their lives... for what? Arriving a couple of minutes early?
@semibreve
@semibreve 3 месяца назад
Honestly it is difficult to blame the Soviets in this instance. Those pilots made so many errors, Cold War tensions were so high, and the RC-135 being where it was just sealed the deal
@slayersfunhouse
@slayersfunhouse Год назад
I believe a great explanation is that they did put the AP in INS mode as they passed BET, but as they were already so off course, the AP never actually switched to INS mode and instead just continued on the "armed" state awaiting the plane to intercept the original route. From my understanding, the plane must be within 1 NM of its course to switch ( at least on more modern planes ). Thus the plane just continued on the heading they originally selected when traveling to BET. The rest is how you described, ignoring sign after sign they were going off course until finally being intercepted.
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Yes, this is another possible theory. In fact, the autopilot can take up the course as long as it’s within 7.5nm of the route. So if this is what happened, the pilots were already quite far off course when they engaged INS mode.
@bearcubdaycare
@bearcubdaycare Год назад
​@@GreenDotAviationAccording to the video at 9:25, they were 12nm north of the beacon as they passed it. So, if they switched to INS then, they'd have been outside that 7.5nm, and only an increasing distance after. It certainly sounds plausible?
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
@@bearcubdaycare Exactly. It's definitely plausible, and it would explain them not noticing that the plane was off course, as they would trust that it was following the INS like it had always done. Unfortunately we'll never know for sure.
@sadiqjohnny77
@sadiqjohnny77 Год назад
If you arm the INS mode on the autopilot , you always put the VOR/INS switch to INS (on the front panel) to check what the INS is doing. It will show any off track error if the proper track has been already entered before push back. All they had to do to get on track would be to make a 45 degree interception course to the left in Heading mode until the course indicator centered and then engage autopilot to INS. My theory is that they were flying without the INS working in navigation mode and using Heading mode.
@sadiqjohnny77
@sadiqjohnny77 Год назад
When an AP on the 747-200 is switched INS mode, another switch is put into INS display . This display would instantly show that the plane was off course. If they did not do this it would then be in Nav mode display which (out of range of ground VOR stations) would display a VOR picture with a constantly flicking red flag, showing that it was not getting a VOR nav signal. I think that they forgot to put the INS' in NAV mode when pushing back and would not accept the 18 minute delay needed to re align it ( to "save face.")Then they had to fly in Heading Mode and did not take precautions when doing so.
@CaptainTripppz
@CaptainTripppz Год назад
Great video. It will be interesting to see your coverage of other commercial airliners unfortunately lost in conflict zones such as Iran Air Flight 655, Malaysia Airlines Flight 17, Ukraine International Airlines Flight 752...
@CarazyDiamond
@CarazyDiamond Год назад
Unfortunately, doctors also fall into the same Confirmation Biases as some become too desensitized. Once when I was an Aircraft Ground Dispatcher, I made my SOP to time my walkie-talkie clock to the aircraft's chronometer so that I can match my ground handling performance with the published time of the aircraft's onboard digital clock. I notice A330-200 was almost 15 minutes in advance. I alerted the Captain and he simply shrugged his shoulders by looking at his Breitling watch and said "Well I always keep my watch 25 minutes ahead" Surprinsly Co-Pilot who was also wearing the same show-off expensive Breitling had a similar non-aligned time and he too was off-timed! I looked at my reliable & cheap Casio & worked on the published schedule. However, I reported this incident to the base control that there was a possibility of flight delay allocation as the A330-200 cockpit chronometer is incorrect. The aircraft pushed back the ACARS timing came out as per the aircraft's digital clock. I was trying to figure out how to allocate this delay: What evidence do I have other than relaying a message to the base control? Interestingly, after 15 minutes returned back to the stand as the Flight deck crew noticed the malfunctioning of the GPS which was also in conjunction with the chronometer. I went into the cockpit and this time Capating embarrassingly accepted his mistake (Confirmation Bias). The aircraft was fixed and departed with an hour-long delay. However, this time I allocated the delay to the Captain's mistake.
@Jillybear265
@Jillybear265 Год назад
God, it was so annoying how foolish these pilots were and how easy it was for them to fix the mistakes that caused disaster. Human negligence is always aggravating
@fridder.
@fridder. 6 месяцев назад
Your videos are absolutely fantastic. I have zero flight experience, no one in my family or friends have anything to do with planes, but this is truly fantastic work. Great story telling, visuals, everything!
@bill2731
@bill2731 Год назад
Best Aviation related content I've seen. This channel has made me way more interested in the level of understanding involved in flying an aircraft.
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Thanks so much 🙏🏼 Delighted that these videos have made you more interested in aviation :)
@bill2731
@bill2731 Год назад
@@GreenDotAviation thanks 😊
@sarahmacintosh6449
@sarahmacintosh6449 Год назад
I'd love to know more about the other Korean Air that was shot down and managed to land! And I couldn't agree more with all the other comments about this channel. I'm always so happy when a new informative, suspenseful (but not sensationalized) and thought provoking episode drops. Thank you!
@juliemanarin4127
@juliemanarin4127 Год назад
The plane right behind this one? I don't think it was shot at or is there yet another one?
@sideswipe604
@sideswipe604 Год назад
@@juliemanarin4127 A Korean 707 was shot down earlier in 1978. They managed to land it on a frozen lake
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Thank you! I may well cover that at some point. I've looked into it a bit and it's an incredible story.
@eh86055
@eh86055 Год назад
In case anyone is curious, that plane was Korean Airlines Flight 902: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Air_Lines_Flight_902
@bricedesmaures6216
@bricedesmaures6216 7 месяцев назад
Oldies but goldies for me. I flew many times on NOPAC between Anchorage or Fairbanks and Japan on "classic" 747. Navigation had to be strictly monitored...Good illustrative video .
@Nervisilla
@Nervisilla Год назад
I have to admit that I've never been interested in aviation-like topic and I found Your channel just recently, around 2-3 days ago by RU-vid recommendation. I'm so glad I decided to play Your video cuz now I'm kind of addicted to listen all of these stories- and even tho english isn't my mother language I have no problems with undestanding what's going on, thanks to Your explanations. Can't wait for another upload from Ya, once again- thanks a lot and keep going, Youre awesome! :D
@richardshiggins704
@richardshiggins704 Год назад
Very well explained and fascinating . It is true that KAL had an appalling safety record at this time with a military hierarchical gung hoo attitude in the cockpit . Another proposition was that the initial ANC stand coordinates were incorrectly inscribed into the INS systems and therefore could explain the wayward course of the aircraft .
@flyingphobiahelp
@flyingphobiahelp Год назад
Yup that’s the story I’m familiar with -INS was NOT calibrated in Anchorage.
@Diptera_Larvae
@Diptera_Larvae Год назад
Having watched a few different versions of this story, I like the your choice to layout the narrative and chronicle the mistakes along way rather than splitting them into two chunks and retelling the narrative again and again. That being said, I'm also enjoying your longer format video! Great jorb again!
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Thanks! This seemed like the more appropriate format for the story to me
@yungpedro17
@yungpedro17 Год назад
Great jorb
@HD_555
@HD_555 Месяц назад
Hey Emmet (GDA's owner), there was another accident related to pilot error, which is this Korean Air Lines flight 15. A Boeing 747-200 hull loss. Would you make a video about it in the near future??
@rsn5
@rsn5 Год назад
Mate, your explanation of complex terms like Heading Mode & NAV Mode was excellent. A very sad incident though but your video reconstructed it well.
@d2886013
@d2886013 9 месяцев назад
Wow, just found this channel, super amazing videos and information!!
@tjmachaka9023
@tjmachaka9023 6 месяцев назад
Ive been a Mentour Pilot guy for like 2 years, but this is impressive. Keep up the good work
@The_Elder_Weeb
@The_Elder_Weeb Год назад
This story really infuriates me because the unprofessionalism of these pilots cost the lives of many.
@ole5539
@ole5539 Год назад
I'm furious because it cost America the last great statesman this country has seen...Congressman Lawrence Patton McDonald (GA). Devoutly anti-communist, and the last man that knew and obeyed the letter of the US Constitution. Others come close, Ron Paul, comes to mind, but Larry Patton was gold. For those interested read _We Hold These Truths_
@GenerationsDubstep
@GenerationsDubstep Год назад
@@ole5539 Nah Lawrence McDonald, from what I've read, reads like a classic right wing lunatic who gave the country nothing.
@Stephengirty
@Stephengirty Год назад
The russians are way more at fault. The russian pilot said he knew it was not a spy plane but wanted a kill. He was interviewed after the fall of the wall.
@KoffinKat
@KoffinKat Год назад
Harsh. They simply lost track of time and thought they were safely following the route, accompanied by a pleasant chatter. I can imagine the cozy atmosphere. It's extremely hard to blame anyone in this tragic accident tbh, humans are prone to falling for illusions and pilots are humans, too. And as we learned, the Soviets seemed to also fall for their own illusions and biases (and the pressure from their higher ups who demanded results, sadly). Tragic.
@innexum
@innexum 11 месяцев назад
I agree, such unprofessional pilots should not be given weapons.
@StephenLuke
@StephenLuke Год назад
RIP To the passengers and crew of Korean Air Lines Flight 007
@shagtopper
@shagtopper Год назад
In the last few days of July 1983, while in the Marine Corps, my unit was sent from Camp Fuji (Mt. Fuji) to Yokosuka Navy base to board the USS Tripoli on our way to South Korea. After being out at sea for a few hours on August 1st, we were dispatched to the northern part of The Sea Of Japan to hunt for debris or survivors from this incident. We did NOT find anything and went to dock at a civilian port in Hokkaido. I remember this like it was yesterday.
@kitsunedude
@kitsunedude Год назад
No wreckage, no nothing? Oil slick, hydraulic fluid, etc? That's wild
@IndianScams5038
@IndianScams5038 Год назад
No wonder you found fuck all. The incident was a month after
@luiskp7173
@luiskp7173 Год назад
But the accident happened on September 1st, they send you a whole month in advance?
@Glenn-em3hv
@Glenn-em3hv Год назад
I was in the Navy and we just left Japan heading for Australia when they shot down the plane!! We spent 72 days at sea looking for the black box off of Russias biggest port Vladivostok!!! You weren't even close in the sea of Japan!!! USS BADGER FF-1071
@morecowbell69
@morecowbell69 Год назад
​@@luiskp7173Well...that explains why they didn't find anything.
@Laobi
@Laobi Год назад
Great video! This one has always peaked my curiosity as the INS was the primary navigation method used on these flights. My understanding is that even the most accurate (pre Honeywell GPINS) suffered from drift due to changes in attitude, altitude, and speed coupled with the rotation of the Earth which compounded over time. The above leading to the INS requiring regular updates or "fixes" in the same way an exigent spouse requires reassurance. The method for the fixes (depending on the aircraft type) could be: 1: Visual by directly overflying a landmark on the flightplan and performing an update. 2: Radio using predeterminded VOR/DME aids to determine distance and bearing from the marker, corresponding it with a waypoint on the flightplan, making the appropriate corrections and updating the INS accordingly. 3: Radar (presumably only military terrain mapping radar - not sure on this), again, like visual, setting a waypoint to a distinct terrain feature and performing a manual update as you overfly. Knowing just a little about INS my presumption was that you had to be on it at regular intervals and that the crew had buggered up a calculation on one of the later fixes in the flight. I did not previously know that they basically seemed to have not bothered their holes double checking or verifying anything, it's obvious now that most likely the captain developed a 'shortcut' and due to either familiarity or Korean culture (read - always defer to seniority and never question authority, Confucius has more blood on his hands than the worst dictators combined) and poor CRM no one questioned this. As for the Soviet actions, predictable really. As you stated there had been a previous round of firings. Couple that with the way authoritarian systems operate and the actions were more or less pre-determined. The GCI staff were being ridden like donkeys by their superiors, like the CRM of the airline questioning a superior was a 'no no', this can happen in any organisation/military/department as organisations have distinct cultures, but it is much more likely in cultures where individuality is frowned upon. I saw an interview with the one of the Soviet pilots, not a hint of guilt which is standard for military aircrews as their remoteness from the visceral result of their actions provides a comfortable insulation. It seems the report is the most likely conclusion, they set a heading and kicked back...
@cdl0
@cdl0 Год назад
1, 2, and 3 are all correct. In particular on point 3, the weather radar on this type of aircraft has a ground mapping mode for checking position. On this route it was something that the crew would normally do just to be extra sure that they really were outside Soviet airspace. On point 2, this is standard procedure, so the crew would have just simply done it, plus all the waypoint checks. They knew where they were.
@bluskytoo
@bluskytoo Год назад
i was crew on a HC-130 Air Rescue aircraft that was the first on scene, we had been directed by orders from the president ( through a general ) to prosecute the search into Soviet airspace. At this time in the early hours of the shootdown it was still classified. We were shocked we knew it was shot down. All we found were seat cushions and odd pieces of wreckage. The whole time we were under threat of shootdown ourselves and discussed over intercom that we might be the start of WW 3. A very surreal experience.
@FM-ig3th
@FM-ig3th Год назад
Just curious (as was serving with Army Dustoff in those days). Did the Air Force drop PJs in the water/crash site to search for survivors?
@bluskytoo
@bluskytoo Год назад
@@FM-ig3th no they did not, but since you asked. Our PJs were ready to jump and were nervous as hell, we had plotted the drift line and it went straight to shore. They knew if they jumped they would most likely end up on Soviet soil at Kamchatka. They would have only jumped on a survivor.
@reez1728
@reez1728 10 месяцев назад
@@bluskytooSoviet Union (now Russia) has a right to defend itself.
@DK-gy7ll
@DK-gy7ll 9 месяцев назад
@@reez1728 All nations have a right to defend themselves. But they also have a responsibility to verify that a suspicious plane or ship is actually a threat. Killing nearly 300 innocent people just because they blundered into your airspace is not excusable.
@reez1728
@reez1728 9 месяцев назад
@@DK-gy7ll Did you not see the video or are you acting wilfully blind? They literally sent a spy plane in there to spy on them. Once you're caught doing that one too many times then you hardly have a leg to stand on even when a commercial airliner wanders in. Time and again, the west has shown that it cannot be trusted.
@Hussain-xd4cd
@Hussain-xd4cd Год назад
There just simply can't be a better aviation channel out there!
@alexv3357
@alexv3357 Год назад
Mentour Pilot easily ties with Green Dot, I would think
@eedlebendhaardt8348
@eedlebendhaardt8348 Год назад
​@@alexv3357Mentour is thorough but I find his narration a bit too high-energy. His videos don't have that relaxing documentary quality.
@krflies9840
@krflies9840 Год назад
Disaster Breakdown is just as good as Green Dot
@chopsticksforlegs
@chopsticksforlegs Год назад
​@@alexv3357aren't they the same person? Just different channels 😂😂
@alexv3357
@alexv3357 Год назад
@@chopsticksforlegs No, different people. Mentour Pilot has an aviation news channel called Mentour Now, which is probably what you're thinking of
@mumflurfumperdink2507
@mumflurfumperdink2507 18 дней назад
As a korean, i want to notify that there's one this missing when explaining the cause of the aircraft's hard to explain inability to check their position. Korean airlines during this time was an extremely rough airline to fly in. Since korea's air force was quite large and the government regulated the pilots into flying for only korean lines, almost all of korean airline's pilots were some of the best produced by the ROK air force, since their only possible career after the air force was korean airlines. Due to this, the airline was quite toxic to its pilots with this added power over them and korean cultural aspects that other commenters had mentioned. Many flights during this era of korean airlines saw the pilots severely stressed beyond what's imaginable by modern airlines. Crucially, pilots were forced to meet quotas and goals set by the company no matter what, forcing them very frequently to push hard flights with broken or ill-maintained instruments. Add the exhausted crew with little to no rest, is a recipie for complete disaster. Even though the pilots gave their best, which is evident when one was shot on its wings over kola peninsula, the pilot was very experienced and managed to land the stricken plane on a frozen lake. This accident was caused not by pilots, but the company and its culture. I think this is the case that applies on this incident. Pilots absolutely pushed to their limits with faulty equipment. But after they were reorganised, they've been one of the safest.
@Springbok295
@Springbok295 Год назад
Failing to turn the Auto-pilot knob from Heading to INS after takeoff was something the crew should've noticed. It's not the first time a simple error has led to a disaster. I remember the Summer of '83. I was 16. A close friend of mine in school talked in September and October how sure we were that an impending nuclear war was about to happen. There was a weird feeling in the air that was hard to describe that Summer. We truly dodged a bullet by not going to war. Now once again that feeling has returned except this time the public is distracted and blissfully unaware of the possibiliy of nuclear waronce again. Summer 2023 fourty years after the Summer of 1983. Hopefully we dodge this oncoming bullet.
@twiff3rino28
@twiff3rino28 9 месяцев назад
Yet the US stupidly became their friends just six years later, like this and other events never happened. '89 was really one of the worst years in modern history.
@wingedlionn
@wingedlionn Год назад
Dude this is such a great, informative video. Absolutely love your longer videos, especially how high quality they are! Keep it up dude!
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Thank you!
@stephenantonicelli7069
@stephenantonicelli7069 Год назад
Soviet military aircraft in 1980' routinely invaded. Philippine Miltary Air Space. US & Philippine military never shot down these pilots provocations. USSR shot down Civilian Airline for no good reason.😢 I was Assigned to Clark AFB in 1980's One military man opinion!
@udinsalam4751
@udinsalam4751 Год назад
So Rusia/USSR hold the world record in shooting down commercial airplanes with missile...what an "achievements".
@alessiaism3
@alessiaism3 Год назад
Very excited to watch keep up the great work!
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Hope you enjoy it! :)
@Bywater70
@Bywater70 Год назад
Why did the USSR retain the CVR for so long and why was there splices in the recording tape which proved to be done intentionally? For those whom feel that the flight deck was the most responsible for this incident, I can only say I wasn’t onboard and can not say with certainty if that opinion is true. I will say they were at fault in some point/way for shear negligence to confirm their nav’s were correct etc. I resided in Anchorage at this time of incident but still don’t know everything that’s been told as truthful. The Russian, USSR did not prevent this incident from happening either. Those 2 pilots did speak up after the CVR was reviewed by the NTSB and I am sorry they were made to do such a thing. I feel they could’ve flown up near the cockpit and verify the aircraft as a passenger aircraft or even could’ve flew ahead of the 747 and drop flares for a visual effect. They did neither and this contributed to this disaster. Lessons were learned from this disaster and sadly that’s how we humans learn things from and hopefully do not repeat the same ending. Peace to all affected.
@Jason-wk1pm
@Jason-wk1pm 7 месяцев назад
I think more than likely, it was pilot error due to culture. If you know anything about Korean culture, Age/Rank/Seniority plays a huge role in society. I would bet one of the other pilots noticed they were off, but were too scared/hesitant to question the captain.
@APC-pm2on
@APC-pm2on Год назад
Credit to the effort you put into these videos dude. Respect 🙏
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Thank you!
@tunajenkins4
@tunajenkins4 Год назад
your channel is one of the best discoveries i've made on this website. brilliant video; i love the longer formats
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Thank you! Glad you’re enjoying the videos :)
@PetesGuide
@PetesGuide Год назад
This is really good! But I’d like to point out one time-related error. You used GMT time, which had been replaced by UTC back in 1972. Since 1972, GMT is only a local time zone for London, only for the winter (summer is BST), so London time (GMT/BST) now jumps around based on Daylight Saving Time.
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Thanks for this correction! Something to incorporate into my future videos
@srinitaaigaura
@srinitaaigaura 11 месяцев назад
The Navigation mode will not capture if the airplane deviates more than a certain amount from the actual coordinates. And they had already exceeded this by the time they reached that way point. So even if they enabled INS mode, it still would not have engaged and the autopilot would have continued to fly in heading select. They were trying to communicate via the plane following them as they flew out of VHF range. Surely someone should have warned them.
@kektaro
@kektaro 7 месяцев назад
I hate to say it but at least 60% of the blame is on the pilots' negligence and complacency. I want to villify the soviets for being so eager to shoot down the plane, but this incident had 0 reason to come anywhere close to that. Its like a cop shooting someone waving an airsoft gun around and being oblivious. The soviets massively failed to identify the aircraft but with the pressure i cant see a universe where this situation wasnt so ridiculous the soviets of all people wouldn't end up shooting down the plane
@ElishEcho
@ElishEcho Год назад
Largely worthed waiting for this! Congratulations!!!
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Much appreciated!
@onebigadvocado6376
@onebigadvocado6376 9 месяцев назад
Captain Sullivan by name, Captain Sullivan by nature. Just like his namesake on the Hudson, he, and his flight crew, are heroes.
@12barmac
@12barmac 9 месяцев назад
This has to be the best Aviation channel on RU-vid...
@alfredmolison7134
@alfredmolison7134 Год назад
One of the passengers who was killed on KAL 007 was US Representative Larry McDonald (D-Ga). He was supposed to be accompanied by three other Congress members, US Senator Jesse Helms (R-NC), US Representative Carroll Hubbard (D-KY), and US Senator Steve Symms (R-ID). Wikipedia mentions reasons that two of the three survivors didn’t get on the plane. But there's no explanation of why Senator Symms didn't join his fellow conservative. This gave the appearance that maybe the others took the warning to stay off KAL 007 but McDonald was being all macho and decided keep on.
@alfredmolison7134
@alfredmolison7134 Год назад
@@joevogue9547 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_(missionary) No. John Birch was a US Air Force intelligence officer killed by Chinese Communists in 1945. The John Birch Society was founded in 1958. All of the above Congress members were far right, "ultra-conservatives." I don't know if any of them were "Birchers."
@ole5539
@ole5539 Год назад
@@joevogue9547 John Birch was killed in China in the 40's. Robert Welch who started the JB Society (Appleton, WI) used his name in forming the effort, I believe in 58'. Congressman McDonald (GA), at the time of the shoot-down was president of the JBS. He was a Democrat.
@ole5539
@ole5539 Год назад
Larry Patton McDonald deserves more respect than the flippant comment you toss out. The man was the last, devout anti-communist this country has had the benefit of knowing, and had he lived we might be in a much better place today, both politically and socially. One of his associates in Congress was Bob Stump (D-AZ). After the shoot-down Stump was not the same, no one engaged in the effort was really; not concerning communism. Stump would change parties...I campaigned for him into the 90's as a republican, but he would never regain his moxy.
@louish2037
@louish2037 9 месяцев назад
How exactly would that have worked? You’re saying the pilots secretly worked with Russia to get the plane shot down while losing their own lives too? I think that’s too far of a stretch
@A_10_PaAng_111
@A_10_PaAng_111 9 месяцев назад
They were flying decoy for the RC135, and figured if the Soviet's scramble fighters they would realise its a civilian airliner and just shoo it away from their airspace.
@StevenOBrien
@StevenOBrien Год назад
Hell yeah, I get to watch this twice in one day!
@honor9lite1337
@honor9lite1337 Год назад
Why It get uploaded twice though? 😮
@StevenOBrien
@StevenOBrien Год назад
@@honor9lite1337 First one got shot down by a MIG after straying into soviet airspace.
@wyldrayne5501
@wyldrayne5501 Год назад
​@@StevenOBrien😂😂😂😂
@RKB74
@RKB74 9 месяцев назад
I remember very well when this happened...I was a child growing up in the US and was horrified, believing the Reagan administration's propaganda, that the USSR knowingly and deliberately blew a passenger plane out of the sky. When the truth came out a few years later, that they had known all along that the Soviets had made a terrible mistake, I was furious! But a lot of people never got that news. Then the US did the same thing to an Iranian passenger plane late in the Bush administration (George I, not W), and suddenly it was "oh...it was a terrible mistake...it can happen". Some news pundits pointed out (completely UN-ironicaly) that "the Iranian Regime will surely MISrepresent this accident and use it as anti-American propaganda!"
@touchofgrey5372
@touchofgrey5372 9 месяцев назад
I was in Anchorage when this happened! The swat team was racing to the airport, there was a huge chaos! All the news channels were covering this non-stop! What a tragedy!
@superweedenjoyer
@superweedenjoyer Год назад
I started to binge this channel the other day and I'm really excited to see you posted a new video today. Your retelling of events and recreations of the flight make for such great content. Keep it coming please
@jessemounoury6065
@jessemounoury6065 Год назад
Absolutely stellar work
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Glad you liked it!
@DipanGhosh
@DipanGhosh Год назад
Did you reupload because of the NoMedia error message? No worries, I will watch it again. Least I can do.
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
I did! And much appreciated, glad you like it 😊
@ditzygypsy
@ditzygypsy Год назад
Omg! I thought I got banned and couldn’t find where I put my comment on this video earlier this morning! Whew!
@lostindixie
@lostindixie 9 месяцев назад
It's not Ronald Reagan or disco that's a blast from the past, but the pre-GPS inertial navigation.
@tosspot1305
@tosspot1305 6 месяцев назад
Tbf I'm actually leaning on the Russian theory here. It makes the most sense without having to explain so many different deviations and SoP inconsistencies from the pilots. They got lazy and flew the quickest route with the least programming.
@dancingcow8640
@dancingcow8640 Год назад
I took a class called 20th century Russia this year, and for that, I wrote a report on this flight. Really wish I had this video at the time for a source…
@gustavevilleneuvedehoff-un5459
Worry not, they teach you bs in that class anyways
@jason8077
@jason8077 2 месяца назад
This is the incident that made GPS a public service
@MrDindando
@MrDindando Год назад
As a pilot, I have to say the knowledge and information on your videos is top notch. Either you or a consultant are in aviation because I can't fault these videos one bit.
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Much appreciated :) I spend a lot of time researching these incidents and I do seek input from pilots and other experts when needed
@robertegan8210
@robertegan8210 Год назад
Great video brother! First time watching, you gained a subscriber!
@KaladinVegapunk
@KaladinVegapunk 9 месяцев назад
I know there was a US representative on the plane that caused a big stink, but after it was shot down the USSR recovered the wreck and did discover it was civilian but obviously weren't going to publicly admit it. Honestly it's 100% on the pilots, obviously it was an extreme reaction but allied forces would have done the same thing, though likely been a little more observation and tactful I just don't know why they didn't radio them instead of using an IFF After this the US made GPS much more accessible
@prudencepineapple9448
@prudencepineapple9448 Год назад
I'm sure I saw a recent documentary where they interviewed one of the pilots that shot the airliner down. He stated he knew it was a commercial aircraft and stated so to his commanders. They overruled him and ordered it be taken down. I may very well be wrong, and often am.
@thuddreau5444
@thuddreau5444 Год назад
This comment is solid bull
@brax2364
@brax2364 4 месяца назад
The RC-135 was the Cobra Ball aircraft. I was a mission director on board the USNS Observation Island (Cobra Judy).
@jamesgardner3720
@jamesgardner3720 4 месяца назад
I think the russians theory may have been correct. That would be an insane coincidense if the pilots accidentally left the plane on a heading DIRECT to their destination
@Mewn-wu1xd
@Mewn-wu1xd Год назад
I agree with this channel being extremely good, but commenters should be more inlcined towards commenting in context to the video topic rather than how good the channel is.
@codinginflow
@codinginflow 9 месяцев назад
Can you imagine the panic in the passenger cabin after a missile hits the plane? These poor souls.
@geoffdein2894
@geoffdein2894 9 месяцев назад
Three of those in control were very high hours flyers. Complacency comes to mind. You can see it every discipline including motor racing. That’s how winners lose because of a .50 cent clip. There is no excuse. The pilots were all engaged in an orgy or a wild game of poker
@lyedavide
@lyedavide 3 месяца назад
I find it unthinkable that the pilots of this flight would deliberately program a flight plan that would take them over restricted airspace. I believe that they were absolutely and unforgivably negligent by not following international and their airline's mandatory flight checks. The aberration that most stands out to me is that first deviation from the established flight route. By deviating from the normal flight plan, the pilots set up the plane's navigation system to a "manual" mode and, either by sheer negligence or unacceptable forgetfulness, failed to reset it once they should have reached the second waypoint. In essence, they involuntarily committed suicide, taking with them hundreds of other lives. As someone with many years of military experience, I can say with absolute certainty that you must not deviate from the plan unless you and your team are in a hazardous and probably fatal emergency. If a change must be made, then it is the team leader's responsibility to confirm the change with anyone and everyone connected to the mission. Not doing so may very well result in a "blue on blue" event where the team is destroyed by "friendly fire". It was this failure to do so that caused this aircraft to get shot down. Except it was not downed by "friendly fire". I am not taking sides here, but I do not find the Russian response to the incursion to be unreasonable. If the same aircraft flew over sensitive US military installations in US airspace that had been declared as restricted under the same circumstances, the US air force would have probably done the exact same thing. Which, by the way, has happened. No excuses here. The pilots of Korean Air flight 007 are absolutely and positively responsible for getting their aircraft shot down.
@mindyourbusinessxoxo
@mindyourbusinessxoxo 9 месяцев назад
The negligence of KA17 was STUNNING. Absolutely jaw dropping. Were they even sober?
@discord-n5k
@discord-n5k Год назад
extremely good video, just subbed. but maybe next time give a bit of space before giving away a majority of what happens in context? idk just me but i had my eyes sort of stray down and spoil it
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
I’m glad you liked it! Unfortunately RU-vid just adds that contact link when it decides; i don’t get to control it
@Zfx13
@Zfx13 Год назад
Wait weren’t these old flights supposed to have navigators ?
@FirstNameLastName-gh9iw
@FirstNameLastName-gh9iw 7 месяцев назад
I really hope my vacation isn’t turned into one of these videos
@austinballard3818
@austinballard3818 Год назад
Man.. to the owner of this channel... I don't give two shits about planes or this topic.. but.. the way you tell the story and do it with visual aids to help the viewer see what's going on.. man.. these videos are addicting.. props to your video making talents
@Jovian_Nights
@Jovian_Nights Год назад
These context cards from RU-vid need to come with a spoiler alert
@mfundokelaa3799
@mfundokelaa3799 Год назад
Narration is excellent. For a lay person in Aviation like me I understood the content perfectly. Thank you. RIP to the deceased.
@leonardhenderson6723
@leonardhenderson6723 6 месяцев назад
I was stationed at Kadena than as a member of the 961st AWACS. We flew 22 hrs per flight and turning around in 4 hours each .fighting top cover for the recovery
@mahendra_devalkar
@mahendra_devalkar 10 месяцев назад
Just one suggestion, please add pilots and passengers in the animation of plane interior. It kinda look odd to see empty plane and think it is flying
@Kevin_747
@Kevin_747 Год назад
I flew those routes in both DC-8's and 747's. I flew the 747 Classics 19 years. I have a hard time believing the crew could sit there for hours and not notice the difference between INS and Heading mode. In the era of long distance flying manual plotting and cross checking was standard procedure across all airlines. In International flying there is always something to do or check to ascertain your nav equipment is working properly. They should've known something was awry from their first position report. We studied this tragedy in the training dept. at my company for many years. Plenty of conspiracy theories out there too.
@Bb96_
@Bb96_ Год назад
What do you think the reason was??
@LosihoTTT
@LosihoTTT 11 месяцев назад
In August 1985 when i was 11 years old, my family went on our first overseas holiday to Hawaii. We were flying back home from Honolulu to Melbourne Australia on a Qantas 747-200. My dad asked if it was possible to visit the cockpit, and we were allowed & spent a good 20min in the cockpit talking to the pilots - an unforgetable experience that i know can never be repeated again. Although i was very young, i still recall the experience. At one stage my father cheekily asked the QF Captain what he thought about Korean 007 a couple of years before. I remember the Captain giving my father a wry smile before saying he found it difficult to comprehend how an experienced pilot could not notice they were off course for so long.
@lesaber251
@lesaber251 Год назад
People with lots of experience on a job frequently become lackadaisical about what they are doing. This always irritated me. I was an inspector/auditor. Sometimes it bites them in the ass big time.
@TheRealNova99
@TheRealNova99 Год назад
I can't help but wonder about the mental state of the man flying the fighter jet who actually shot down the passenger plane. He thought he was shooting down an enemy soldier or two. Then to find out he killed over 200 innocent people who weren't even from the enemy country? That has to mess a person up.
@willnill7946
@willnill7946 Год назад
No, he shot down incompetent idiots who can’t do simple navigation
@IC86
@IC86 Год назад
My Congressman, Larry McDonald (D-Ga 7th District), was aboard KAL 007 when it was shot down. Rep. McDonald was the nephew of General George S. Patton, Jr. I personally believe the pilots flew the “erroneous” path intentionally.
@ole5539
@ole5539 Год назад
He was a legitimate threat to communism. At the time of the loss, he was also the President of the John Birch Society. You are not alone in thinking what you are thinking. Thanks for remembering him.
@Mshi-
@Mshi- 9 месяцев назад
A true patriot
@mrkipling2201
@mrkipling2201 4 месяца назад
It's a case of some people, especially from certain cultures and countries, not wanting to admit any mistakes they've made. I wonder if that was the case with flight 007?
@zachbrewer4168
@zachbrewer4168 Месяц назад
The real question is, are the NAV lights on?
@AudieHolland
@AudieHolland Год назад
Remember the other Korean Airlines (call sign KAL902) plane that was shot down after straying into Soviet airspace, in 1978? What I find weird is that while it was in the news at the time, I remember my parents talking the story in the newspaper, it was rarely mentioned again. I wonder how many other airline companies strayed multiple times into Soviet airspace and were shot down, apart from Korean Airliens KAL902 and KAL007? South Korea at the time was still a military dictatorship. Democracy was only introduced in 1988. Korean Airlines Captain came mostly from the South Korean Airforce, were placed in Captain positions asap and were venerated and undoubtedly their orders were blindly followed. And of course South Korea was a close ally of the USA, with numerous American military bases, ships, vehicles and personnel based around the country. Korean Airlines, with its seasoned veteran former airforce Captains was the ideal asset for the Americans to provoke the Soviet Union. It was also a great coincidence that KAL007 entered Soviet airspace around the same time and position as the US spyplane. I don't think the American/South Korean military intelligence thought that the Soviets would actually shoot KAL007 down. Korean Airlines has probably done more 'special flights' for the USA than we know from the regular media. All a Captain had to do was stray from his course, 'accidentally' enter Soviet airspace and get out again before being intercepted. Only this time they definitely pressed their luck. When the Discovery Channel still made decent documentaries, I saw one about KAL007. Wrong coordinates were deliberately entered into the flight computer before it took off from Anchorage, Alaska. Some critics said that the plane was moved before the computer was properly set, causing the errors in navigation. In my opinion, not likely because with such an experienced flight crew, why did they suddenly forget how to properly program the flight computer (and not move the plane)? Only after the USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian airliner in 1988, did the world believe that it was a tragic error made by the Captain and crew of the American warvessel. The Vincennes had strayed into Iranian territorial waters after chasing a few Iranian gunboats and after the American ship detected an incoming plane, they feared it was an Iranian F-14 fighterplane. After repeatedly warning the Iranian airbus that it would be shot down if it did not stop its agressive maneuvering, the Vincennes destroyed the plane, killing 290 people. Just like the Soviets in 1983, the Americans only used military frequencies to warn the Iranian plane, they did not use the civilian frequencies. And American military always informs the rest of the world that their personnel have the right to defend themselves, even after entering another nation's territorial waters.
@太好了F
@太好了F 8 месяцев назад
What i don't get is the captin and first officer were both ex military! How could they have been so care free when it came to sign's things were off?
@BlackMambo
@BlackMambo Год назад
Oh, Green Dot Aviation, that was a MAGNIFICENT WORK! Thank you so much! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
@KinkJumpYpou-kp2vm
@KinkJumpYpou-kp2vm 2 месяца назад
Modern day Russian shut down Malaysia airplane flying over Ukraine and blamed Ukraine. They never change. 🤷
@dakkossman2063
@dakkossman2063 2 месяца назад
Dont fly over war zone
@NoName-zm1ks
@NoName-zm1ks Год назад
Yeah, strange that friendly radar didn’t notice early on that flight deviated from plotted course & into Soviet airspace.
@ericmarciano075
@ericmarciano075 8 месяцев назад
I have developed an INS fir flight simulation and it may be possible that it works like the real thing : when you are flying to the next way point, the distance to this way point obviously decreases. As soon as the distance increases, it means you have passed the waypoint and the INS switches to the next one. If this is true, it may explain why the INS indicated all the waypoint passed one after the other even if the aircraft was off course.
@Third7Plays
@Third7Plays 11 месяцев назад
The fact that Korean 007 has its own Encyclopedia Britannica entry. Not many plane disasters are that lucky
@ProgamerEU
@ProgamerEU 6 месяцев назад
how can 3 highly experienced pilots be so negligent? trusting autopilot blindly is one thing, but ignoring all warning signs seems rather odd
@linda10989
@linda10989 9 месяцев назад
I was 19 at the time and remember the Soviets wouldn't allow search and rescue anywhere near the site. It was a very tense time, i can tell you!
@bentleybrabec
@bentleybrabec 3 месяца назад
4:34 Astonishing view of the moon
@auntbarbara5576
@auntbarbara5576 Год назад
I remember this well. In 40 years no one covered it as well as this. Thank you Green Dot Aviation! #GreenDotAviation @GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation
@GreenDotAviation Год назад
Much appreciated! Glad you enjoyed it
@nschlaak
@nschlaak 9 месяцев назад
Two of my college classmates got off this flight in Anchorage when returning from a family visit in the lower 48. We attended Anchorage Community College for our Airframe and Powerplant schooling before we got our A&P licenses. Flight number 007 played tricks with our minds (Think James Bond) as we followed the investigation. The Russian pilot swears that he fired on a military jet and not a civilian bird. He drank himself to death in the time that followed afterwards. Guilty conscience drinking or just the Russian Vodka pastime? Maybe a USAF spy bird was shadowing this flight since it was flying so near the Russian super secret Petropavlovsk submarine base. It actually flew right over the base, didn't respond to any radio calls, and didn't respond to the warning shots. Well if the warning shot is the shot that hit the engine then I'd say it responded in the only manner that it could, it went down in a ball of fire.
@JoannaLyons-g7s
@JoannaLyons-g7s Год назад
I can't lie, I love these longer videos. I can't lie, I love these longer videos.
@EricTheActor805
@EricTheActor805 Год назад
No mention of Dr Larry McDonald? You don't think he may have been a target? I certainly do
@ole5539
@ole5539 Год назад
Exactly. A legit threat to the USSR, the globalists and state illicit dealings.
@judgetk8327
@judgetk8327 8 месяцев назад
I agree with philmorris8862. Had they done there checklist they would have known to correct the flight path. It's a dam shame that the pilots died instead of having to answer for their neglect behavior. I'm also amazed that the interceptors didn't catch up to the plane to confirm the identity. Either way it was a tragedy that many people lost their lives because of a cockpit full of idiots. This explanation is a lot better than 9/11 that is also my opinion. Great video. 👍 sad outcome for sure.
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