What's Beyond Super Sonic? 

Who do you think is more powerful? Hyper Sonic or Cyber Sonic? Also, huge thank you to FUM for sponsoring this video! Go to tryfum.com/CHAOMIX and use code CHAOMIX to save an additional 10% off your order today.

That’s an easy answer, It’s a super duper sonic

I can't wait for Sonic to use The Chaos Emeralds, Fake Chaos Emeralds, Sol Emeralds, Time Stones, Chaos Rings, Phantom Ruby, Cyber Energy, Paradox Prism Energy, Dark Gaia Energy, Secret Rings, Excalibur, Super Emeralds, Master Emerald, Super Rings, Chaos Radiation, and Zombot Virus to make Ultra Super Hyper Fleetway Burning Cyber Excalibur Time Dark Spine Prism Starfall Dark Infinite Werehog Sonic

Combining the Chaos Emeralds with the Sol Emeralds would officially canonize Fire Sonic from SMBZ

tbh if a super sonic using the time stones were to be introduced they would DEFINITELY give sonic the ability to manipulate time

It's crazy how long super sonic has maintained its status as sonic's strongest form. In any other series, it would've been surpassed decades ago but sonic has avoided the power creep for so long that seeing the power up in frontiers just felt like something else

So badass that Starfall Super Sonic was holding back the entire time while still toying with The End.

If super sonics so good, why isnt there a super sonic 2? Frontiers dlc: Hello there.

Another interesting form that wasn’t covered in this video is Fleetway Hyper Sonic from the fan continuation of the series “Sonic the Comic Online” (which even though is fan-made, has had numerous instances where the original writers and artists contribute to entire stories for it. Making it a pseudo-canon extension of the Fleetway Continuity.) In StCO, Hyper Sonic is a form archived by Sonic when he absorbs purified Chaos energy. In this form he retains his personality and ascends to a higher level of power. But the most interesting thing about it is how similar it is to “Super Sonic 2” with it being a higher level of power above Super Sonic, that can only be achieved by mastering/purifying a purely chaotic and corrupting force (he even has blue eyes and lightning lol) and it all pre-dates Sonic Frontiers

Although, "Starfall Super Sonic" is a Good and Accurate name, I was thinking the Form should be called, "Cyber Super Sonic" since it's more Self-Explanatory of where exactly the Power comes from since 'Starfall' is just the Location (The Starfall Islands), but 'Cyber' is the Source (Cyber Corruption from The End's Influence and control over The Ancients' Technology and Cyberspace). Also, as a Bonus, it Rolls Off the Tongue better. I'd also like to say, Great Video!

Honestly, I think that your proposition of combining power sources is a great way to both avoid the New Form Absolves The Last problem while giving ways to ascend beyond Super Sonic. Seriously, that opens up SO many possibilties! P.S. - Also the name "Starfall Super Sonic" is fucking sick. Love it.

Sonic really said "I only need you to run, With me, Today." In that thumbnail

Simple, really. Super Sonic but with a gun

The form is literally titled “Super Sonic 2” in the game’s files. In all seriousness, I’m of the opinion that Hyper Sonic and the form Sonic takes during his fight with Rifle Beast are different “flavours” of the same form; one created by combining the power of the Chaos Emeralds with an additional outside influence; the Master Emerald for Hyper Sonic, and the Cyber Corruption for “Starfall” Sonic. Super Sonic Cyber on the other hand, I mostly just consider “Full Power Super Sonic 2”, similar to “Full Power Super Saiyan” in Dragonball. I say this, because given the formula Frontiers has set up is the template for games going forward, we’re likely to see more “flavours” of Super Sonic 2 infused with whatever that game’s gimmick is going to be.

Ian Flynn has made a statement in his Bumblekast some time ago saying that the Internal Name for the enhanced form of Super Sonic with the cyan eyes only is Starfall Super Sonic(which you have mentioned in this video).

14:26 Never thought I would see Chaomix with a Walter White beard

11:35 OOH OOH, THAT NAME JUST HITS DIFFERENT I LOVE IT

Fun Fact: Hyper Sonic is no longer achievable in the canon. In an interview with Takashi Iizuka, he said that "the super emeralds are in a different dimension", rendering them inaccessible to Sonic.

I hope The End returns. In the original final boss fight it says "You strike this incarnation" meaning that the moon like body you fight isn't it's true form. Just an extension of it.

I’m so glad you brought this up because I feel like they can make Hyper Sonic work if he has drawbacks I would’ve kept the idea of him being overly cracked like we all wanted but the drawback would be that the chaos emeralds have to recharge their power after using the form I’d say to a week or month so he can’t spam it kinda like an ace in a hole move.

Man, I just went even further beyond 🗣️🔥🔥🙏🏿💯

10:35 I prefer to call it Superior Sonic.

“What you're seeing now is my normal state. This is a super saiyan. And this. This is what is known as a super saiyan that has ascended above a super saiyan. Or, you could just call this a super saiyan two. AND THIS. AND THIS IS TO GO EVEN FURTHER BEYOND AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-“

0:52 So, what? Like a "Mega Sonic"? "Ultra Sonic "? “Maximum Over Sonic”

I love how the new Blue eyed Frontiers form was called Super Sonic 2 in the files. The team really were pushing tower the Dragon Ball Z aspect with that name.😂

Sadly, last I recall, the Phantom Ruby would be impossible to combine with the Chaos Emeralds. From what I remember, I believe it was told that the Phantom Ruby itself is antithetical to the Chaos Emeralds. Like, they literally repel one another. So that's probably not an option. Plus, I doubt we'll ever see any of the old Chaos Emerald stand-ins ever again, as much as I'd love to see the Sol Emeralds in another game. We were lucky to have an evolution of Super Sonic at all, so I doubt we'll get another one above this anytime soon.

If I remember correctly, it was never said that cyber corruption comes from the end. It was that you get the cber corruption by interacting with Cyberspace. Plus, it wasn't said that Sonic got rid of corruption, just that he now can harvest the power to get stronger. So yeah, what i want to say is that there is a chance that Cyber Sonic and / or Power-uped Super Sonic (what is the name according to the Japanese Sonic Twitter account) could return in the future

bro is treating the concept of super sonic like it's a smoothie and i'm all for it

Im glad you covered this. Super Sonic 2 isnt "more Super Sonic", it's two separate powers unified into one form. Almost like Dragon Balls God Ki. God Ki is like the Cyber energy, while Super Saiyan is Super Sonic.

So "Starfall" Sonic is a sort of Super Kaioken Goku? Because it merges a form and a technique with eachover, just, quite different

“Now this is super sonic 2” and THIS

The thing I really like about Super and Hyper Sonic is that they’re technically a play on words. See, supersonic and hypersonic are real words. Sonic speed means the speed of sound (mach 1), supersonic speed means a speed beyond sonic speed (specifically mach 1-5) and hypersonic speed is a speed beyond supersonic speed (mach 5-10). It’s the true Super Sonic 2; a natural expansion of the Super form and a little more original compared to Super Sonic with how it’s clearly derived from Super Saiyan. The word ultrasonic however doesn’t mean a speed, instead it means a frequency of sound that we can’t hear. So Ultra Sonic is still cool, but doesn’t quite fit as well as super and hyper imo. It also simply makes sense for the Chaos and Master Emeralds working together being capable of a heightened transformation. Mecha Sonic achieved its own super form with the Master Emerald. While it’s never happened so it’s just speculation, imagine if Sonic could also go Super with the Master Emerald. Then what if it used both the Master and Chaos Emeralds? That’s my thoughts on that anyway.

11:28 okay… so this is SUPER SONIC KAIOKEN.

I believe the cyberspace control with super sonic form is like kaioken with super saiyan blue goku form. They're not completely new forms but increase the power of the currently activated form

Super Sonic God. After that, Super Sonic God Super Sonic. Maybe even Super Sonic God Super Sonic Evolution. How about Super Sonic Rosé?

I LOVED the idea of Cyber Super because it's a game specific upgrade. We can avoid the transformation fatigue by giving Super Sonic a new form specific to the situation and game he's in.

Personally, I've been calling the new Super Sonic form as "Power up Super Sonic" There's 2 reasons. One is that, fun fact, the real names of Super Saiyan 2 and 3 are "Ascended Super Saiyan" and "Power up Ascended Super Sayan" (I may be wrong on the second, I don't remember that well). As confirmed by the author of DB himself, numbering the forms was done for the sake of simplicity as Super Saiyan 3's true name is very long. Second reason is that, knowing this fun fact about DB, and seeing a message saying "power up" as soon as Sonic transforms into the new Frontiers form... I put 2 with 2 and got the name "Power Up Super Sonic". Which I find better than Starfall Super Sonic, since, as far I remember, The Ancients and their technology are not related to the phenomenon of the Starfall Islands

Honestly I really don't think they need to avoid hyper sonic entirely to prevent power scaling. Simply use that form sparingly. Have it be a sweet unexpected treat every few games.

Fun fact: The name Super Sonic 2 as the name of the Starfall Super Sonic form originally came from data miners finding the new form's model labeled as Super Sonic 2. This was clearly a place holder, as games often do this naming scheme in the files with alternate costumes, but fans ignored the obvious and just started calling it Super Sonic 2. And, like you mentioned, it's a synthesis of two separate powers, which is why I like to compare Starfall Super Sonic to Super Kaioken, over SSJ2.

HYPER SONIC IS BEYOND

What makes me so angry is that they choose not to do anything with hyper sonic because they don't wanna "copy" dragon ball, even though what they did was entirely unique the Hyper Sonic and it would've been so easy to write Super off as the unrefined version of chaos while hyper sonic, in all his brilliant glory, is the true, mastered, refined form Sonic takes on when he masters chaos to the fullest and actually have him do new cool things that aren't just bigger, stronger attacks just because the form is stronger. Let him do new cool stuff like bending space and time with his hands like playdough or cutting through it or making cool weapons or constructs out of his sparkles.

I have a feeling that Hyper Sonic is only specifically for Classic Sonic, while Cyber & Starfall Super Sonic is specifically for Modern Sonic. It only makes sense since we've never seen Classic Sonic using the power of the cyber corruption with his super from, nor have we seen Modern Sonic utilize the Super Emeralds to achieve another form. I believe they're just as powerful as one another.

Hyper sonic of course

Remember Everything is canon

Before i watch this video, i came up with the idea last night, what if Hyper Sonic had toon force? That would be so cool and fun just seeing him turn into a super cool loonytoons character.

Honestly sonic using the cyber energy in his super form shows how clearly they want to avoid the whole new form thing.

Wasn't there an old (few years old) fanfic about this? Sonic meets a new enemy, can't beat him, creates a time machine, goes back to previous games to get things like the Rings and Excalibur, tries again, fails, rinse and repeat, until Sonic beats the enemy? With like, cameos from the other games + two appendices where he meets the Archie comic versions of himself?

Going further BEYOND!!!!!

Also, next mainline sonic game takes place in sonic’s head, a fight of cyber sonic and regular sonic for control of sonic’s body

Imagine if in sonic x shadow generations at the bonus content for sonic generations we got a remaster of acts taken from games that appeared after generations (lost world, mania, forces, frontiers, superstars...) and in the final boss we manage to get classic hyper sonic and corrupted modern super sonic. That would be epic and honestly it would turn me on

Sonic: this isn’t even my final form! Goku: damnit not again

question... what would happen if sonic combined every power all the emeralds, powers, crystals, gems into one form?? what would he look like? cannonicly speaking

Super sonic 2 Return of the super.

I was excited for the new form when I played but all it did was force me to perfect parry all of the enemies attacks. I did the cyloop to stun it, and that just made it impossible to hit him. I feel like it just made the fight more difficult, and it didn’t explain how to actually defeat it at all.

Super Sonic 2... What's next, Super Sonic 3? *SUPER SONIC & KNUCKLES???* *SUPER SONIC ADVENTURE 2 BATTLE?????*

Great video as always Chaomix! This is probably a hot take but I personally liked the Final Horizons ending quite a lot more than the original ending, my only gripes (which some got fixed) 1: I wish we go to control cyber sonic in some way even if only for a little bit 2: I wish the enemies in final horizon were handled beter 3: I wish Amy, Tails and knuckles skill trees were bigger 4: while I do like the movement in frontiers I hope they improve on it in the big open zone sonic game 5. I wish they explained or telegraphed the cutting thr cord of the final boss better Frontiers and the final horizon is certain far from perfect but man it was a lot of fun! And it was still really cool we got to see 2 new forms! And overall I quite enjoyed the game and consider it quite good! Its at bare minimum at least a 7.5/10 and at higheest it may be a 8/10 for me I really do believe frontiers and final horizon is basically the prototype of the open zone formula formula that they can build off and greatly improve off of and I hope that the increased budget and bigger team will help a lot! Now whether they do or not I have no idea but I'm excited and nervous for the future of Sonic! And hey because of frontiers Sega is reviving a bunch of their older ips!

Anyways who loved Super Sonic 2? 🙌

That intro was Fire. Really got me invested to watch the video.

Combing power sources is a great idea that could work in the future. Sega should consider since with the final horizon update shows that super sonic can't defeat every enemy

Super sonic 2 then super sonic 3 then super sonic god then super sonic blue lol😂

Super Sonic 2 and Cyber Super Sonic were terms gotten from digging into the in-game files, and so in absence of an official name I think those are fair enough to give them... ... But thanks to Sonic Twitter, we actually do have an official name for Super Sonic 2, that name being Super Sonic Powered Up - which is a mouthful, but fits the context of the transformation since it is Super Sonic being powered up by the Cyber Corruption.

imo I think the transformation power creep thing is dumb for Hyper specifically, it's an entire process to obtain and you lose access to Super while getting it, so it's not nearly as easy as Goku struggling in super saiyan so he transforms to super saiyan 2 for example, if there's something super sonic can't beat then that thing would hypothetically need to be stalled while the super emeralds are created, and there's probably not gonna be enough time to do that.

Another reason we won't see the new Super Sonic form again is because the coco Master King warns Sonic that if he goes all out with his new power there is a chance he'll lose it completely afterwards and right at the end of the fight with the End, Sonic shouts "Sorry, Master King looks like I'm going all out after all" and he seemingly puts all of his cyber corruption energy into his last hit on the End. It's likely all of the energy that made the new form possible has completely burned out of Sonic's body because he did end up having to overexert himself to win the fight

Nice one chaomix 💯🔥

5:37 wait that's literally the idea of Dark Sonic. But rather than a hunger for chaos, Dark Sonic is more about Sonic's rage condensed into Super Sonic

Frontiers made Super Sonic a respectable sight once more. You can keep your grievances with the game itself, but there's no denying just how much the attitude and flair they gave him served to perfectly portray the power that Super Sonic *_should_* have.

I feel like the Super Sonic being shot out a cannon at a planet just HAS to be a reference to Sonic X the gun is basically the sonic driver

R.I.P. Akira Toriyama

Great video as usual. Keep up the great work. 150k subscribers just around the corner!! 😊😊😊

tbh something that would be sick is a transformation of sonic with the time stones, like imagine sonic going back into little planet to get the time stones to defeat another giant god type being. i swear that would be so sick-

Love the thumbnail. Nice touch.😊

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The way I see the many variations of Super Sonic like Starfall Super Sonic and Super Dark Sonic is how we classify Super Saiyan Grades and the Technique Stacking. And example would be that Starfall Super Sonic is kinda the equivelent of Super Saiyan Kaioken, two powerful abilities that can be harmful to the user, stacked upon super powerful transformed state. Super Dark Sonic is also like that, since Dark Sonic seems to be the Dark Fur Sobic shows for a couple seconds before the Fake Chaos Emeralds react to him and ascend to a probably weaker Super Sonic, and due to him being already in his Dark Form, it stacks on Super Sonic, but unlike the Cyber Curroption, Super Dark Sonic just seems to be Sonic's own upgrade to his Supor form, not really a combination of two different power sources, think of it like Super Saiyan Grade 2, or like Super Saiyan Blue Evolution. Super Sonic is probably Sonic's pinnacle form that he can achieve with the power of Chaos Energy, all he can do from there is try and mix and stack other stuff that can give him a boost, just like gow Chaox said. Tbh, Hyper Sonic is the only form I consider it to be like Super Sonic 2, since its the next pinnacle step that Sonic can obtain from the Chaos Emeralds.

I was just about to do vid about this thanks for the groundwork

As a fan of Katekyo Hitman Reborn, i too love to see transformations being well developed into the conditions of a specific event within the story. Waiting for these two new forms were so worth it

to keep in line with the dragon ball parallels, i liked the idea of calling the blue-eyed Super Sonic form "Cyber Sonic Sign", the same way Goku has Ultra Instinct Sign and Ultra Instinct Mastered.

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Keep up the awesome work and videos chaomix love the video

I’m mixed on Sonic receiving new forms. While Hyper Sonic and Cyber Super Sonic are cool forms, I feel like they overshadow the normal Super Form and make it feel less significant. That being said, it would be cool to see transformations surrounding other power sources such as the Phantom Ruby or even the Wisps if Sonic used all of their powers and abilities at once.

i imagine sonic ascending past super sonic (either training or going past his speed limit) for a true super sonic 2 and imagine him going super sonic 3 0:48 the further beyond line just reminds me of those animations of goku going ssj3 remade into sonic going ssj3

The concept of combining power sources sounds really cool and has a lot of potential. I’m imagining a world where we get to see a game with the Chaos and Sol Emeralds, where Sonic and Blaze combine these powers and both ascend to new forms for the characters drawing from both power sources. So many possibilities that I didn’t even think about until now!

Been a while since I played the final horizon or whatever its name is, BUT, going by wording and semantics, The Master King Koco did imply that Sonic's training wasn't just to control the cyberspace corruption, but to master, make it his own, also, he only implied the *possibility* of losing that power if Sonic went all out (which he did). So basically we can't be 100% sure Sonic lost that power because all we know is that Sonic went back to eother Super Sonic or Starfall Super Sonic (he doesn't have his eyes open so I can't tell + he also has a red aura around him so yeah)

10:14 Fleetway Super Sonic reference.

I feel the issue with Super Forms is that -They dont have any real drawbacks beyond "lose rings" (which is usually just a game mechanic). No unique drawback mechanic (game or lore wise) -They arent personal to the user. As in it doesnt have its own theming based on the characters personally, backstory, or irl inpiration. (This also affects the design of the forms just being color changes or even worse glorified Speed Shoes + Invincibility Box) -The actual power system that enables the transformation is underdeveloped. In base or Super Form (the only except ion is ofc Shadow and even then its not at its fullest) -And has the possibility of power creep. If these issues are addressed, we can have these really unique and cool super forms for certain characters.

Ive been waiting here for the longest time

8:04 Dude literally had the perfect excuse to put Hyper Sonic in the game (and then since the ancients go away, Hyper Sonic can just go back in the attic), and instead he was like "no no lets avoid next tier powerup", and then they literally did the next tier powerup except worse. Sonic Team has been fumbling for years...

"Starfall Super Sonic" is such a cool name

Cyber sonic is like super Saiyan kaioken

I love your dubbed name for Super Sonic 2 being "Starfall Super Sonic" I would call it Cyber Super Sonic because its the combined power of the cyber corruption and is super form.

10:16 you can see that the cyberform also has fleetway

0:46 Gotta love the reference of "going even further beyond", especially given that Sonic's forms are clearly Dragon Ball inspired. Also, I think Starfall Sonic (unlike Cyber Sonic, a form specifically labelled after the power it uses) might return with basically any corruption Sonic learns to control. Maybe different corruptions could even have different Cyber Sonic counterparts while sharing the same Starfall Sonic form, with the game having a different corruption type be prevalent depending on the route taken during the playthrough.

I comprehensive video talking about every super form in the series and comics would be really interesting! Maybe even mixed with a tier list? Grreat video! As a big DBZ fan I always love videos talking about these busted transformations lol

I think hypothetically, Dark Sonic could be a transformation Sonic could achieve in the games continuity, if he used the negative powers of The Chaos Emeralds (refer to Tails' explanation of how Perfect Chaos appeared in Station Square during the last story of Sonic Adventure for context). However, like Tails explained - and also like Sonic demonstrated by defeating Perfect Chaos and restoring Chaos to his base form, calming him down & helping him see the situation clearly again - the positive powers of The Chaos Emeralds are stronger. So, even though Sonic could hypothetically go Dark with the emeralds, he wouldn't be as strong as if he were to go Super with them. So while Dark Sonic is somewhere in-between normal and Super Sonic in terms of strength/power/what-have-you, and then Hyper is above Super, in a separate branch so to speak, there would be Starfall Sonic (or what many have called "Super Sonic 2" as chaomix explained), which would branch off from Super Sonic. The Starfall form is obviously stronger than Super, but given the need to "go all out" in order to vanquish The End, I think it's safe to say that Starfall is also not as strong as Hyper Sonic. So, Dark is in-between normal and Super Sonic. & then Starfall is in-between Super & Hyper Sonic, as well. Then there's Cyber Sonic, which is, I think, just as powerful as Hyper Sonic; so, like a side-grade just like you said before, when explaining Excalibur Sonic. I think Excalibur is a side-grade to Super Sonic, but since Darkspine Sonic only used some of The World Rings and was powered by negative emotions (iirc), I think Darkspine would be just as strong as/a side-grade to Dark Sonic. ...aaaaaand that's not even including the stuff from the comics, & also doesn't include fan ideas of like, what Sonic would transform into if he used The Time Stones (an idea often called Miracle Sonic, which is basically like pink Super Sonic but with time powers instead of increased speed or something?) I swear, I need to make a chart of this now lmao

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My guy does not need to go this hard with his thumbnail art, awesome content btw, keep up the grind❤️

I wish we could see more about Tiny Planet and the Time Stones, what if Sonic needs to use the time stones (or time stones + emerelads) to beat the final boss? What if we could explore more of Tiny Planet? What could we learn about Metal Sonic and Amy in this return to Tiny Planet? Also it would be cool if instead of only having one evolution of Super many games had eatch their new evolutions so it doesnt powercreep

13:27 oblivion sonic: the form he takes when he has scorned everything mentioned in this part

14:00 honestly I forgot about the Chaos Rings existed ENTIRELY 🤣

I have an idea for a video for you to do. How does Sega make levels repayable. Sonic adventure had Chao, sonic unleashed introduced red rings. Sonic forces introduced emergency missions and avatar clothing. Sonic mania had gold coins to access cheats. Sonic frontiers records your best time and if you cheated. Which was best and how could we combine them. Maybe you can implement it in your game and make a video?

I would like to see Chips neckless be brought back and then gives Sonic a new super sonic transformation