What's My Line? - Edgar & Candice Bergen; Steve Lawrence [panel] (Sep 12, 1965) 

Jag håller med dig.

Was wondering if it was real or made up words. Thanks for clarifying 👍🏾

@@kingdoc3262 No problem!

That's America! Or was. All I know of Swedish is Jeg elsker dig.

@@bbailey7818 Why just ‘Jag älskar dig’?

@Lukas Lennon, I had never heard of Flixzone. Thanks for the tip.

wow.

Eleven months after this show aired. The first guest died when her helicopter crashed.

@@rossw9764 Oh no....so sorry to hear that.

How Horrible!!

@@mlr4524she was murdered like Marilyn Monroe. Sickening.

Steve has dementia now (12/23)

Unfortunately, Steve died about ten days ago (early April of 2024). He was a talented, nice man...❤

Yes, little Candy Bergen (that nickname caught me off guard), who became of my favorite female stars in her own right.

Yeah I heard that. Should have been a clue right there.

Jag är svensk

@@jpmaher8220 Jag är norrbagge.

I'm sorry to hear that 🙏

It was on the day before her 29th birthday. We are never guaranteed tomorrow.

I agree. I believe she was married. She used “Miss” professionally.

Unbelievable DNA went into the making of Candice. Hawt.

In fact, even today, over thirty six years after his death. His lips are still moving!

But you can't see that on radio. This is like deja vu all over again. I remember commenting on the idea of a ventriloquist doing an act on radio. The comedy remains but you either lose the appreciation for the ventriloquist's skill in not moving their lips or it covers up a relatively unskilled act with noticeable moving lips. What's left is what many a radio personality had as part of their shtick: a cast of characters to play off of. Fortunately, most radio personalities were better than Lt. Steven Haulk. (Not only wasn't he funny, but he was broadcasting to a country that had recently kicked out the French.) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Ge6QPJfrGcY.html

Where do you find the recordings?

So was To Tell the Truth.

That's true, but you know what? when I look at my grandfather's old pictures with his brothers, I noticed that even in their late 20s, they could look as if they were 40, i'm talking of the 50s/60s, I guess it was a different time where people just got along with the effect of time and carried with pride the mark of their age, not trying to look more youthful or juvenile... I don't know. That said, even for a man who's in his early 50s, I agree that John looks much older... it's like once the 60s popped up, he gained 5 years just like that... in 1959, he looked his age.

every1 looks older n black & white.

Her mother Frances was a stunner as well, Candice looks more and more like her as she gets older.

I was 8 and she was 9 or 10 on stage with her dad- she was my very first "Celebrity Crush".

Answer for questions joanna edgar Bergen date and place of death?

I never saw it, but a few years later Candice would go on to star in that religious picture, "Cardinal Knowledge".

The picture was not religious and was "Carnal Knowledge".!

I met her a number of years ago and found her to be very gracious.

steve is dead n 2022.

Steve is alive in 2023! How did he manage that?!?!

No, Steve just died a few weeks ago. Today is April 14, 2024.

She has had a stellar career. I first came to know her in Murphy Brown, a very progressive show for the times when expectations s generally for us women were much narrower than today.

Ground-breaking? Hardly SNL, 1970's? She was a good sport and likeable, but not funny.

Yep

Edger Bergen was the best ever ventriloquist in history and had his own radio show and was in movies and many movie shorts, and had a couple of puppets: Charlie McCarthy and Mortimer Snerd.

Yes, it's usually sad when people are killed.

And less than two months after this What's My Line episode aired, Dorothy Kilgallen died in her NYC hotel on November 8, 1965, hours after filming WML.

@@JudgeJulieLit , did you notice that Dorothy's face / eyes were swollen?

candice german I see that as just her usual bone structure; and cosmetic highlighting around her eyes, but too on her facial skin to make it glow, reflect more stage light. She looks healthy.

@@JudgeJulieLit I believe Dorothy was killed by the government.

I block out the profession sometimes too. It really makes you appreciate just how difficult the game is for the panelists.

+John Doe I just close my eyes and bow my head until John Daly says, "All right...." and the applause subsides, because that is when the contestants' "lines" cease to be shown on the TV screen.

I do the same thing .

Respect to you... It's a lot tougher than one might think!

I Always Do.I Like It If I Can Guess It Before They Do,It's Not easy!! The Panel Was Usually Pretty Sharp!!

Pretty sure Jimmy Stewart has the record in Hollywood.

His wife must have been incredibly strong...or foolish

@@gailsirois7175 - I think he was a very good husband and an interesting companion. This was show business. He needed to make the show interesting for the viewers. Be kind.

Bennet Cerf was primarily a publisher with Random House. WML was a side gig for him.

​@@JKat316 Bob and Delores Hope were married 69 years.

He also had a cameo role in 1979's THE MUPPET MOVIE. He died in late '78 before the movie came out.

He also hosted "Do You Trust Your Wife?" on TV, which was taken over by Johnny Carson.

What's My Line? He was also the original "Grandpa Walton" in the pilot for that series.

The vocal characters he created were sheer genius. Testimony in how much Charlie McCarthy was brought alive, is the story of the guest star who stoop down to retrieve the script that Bergen had dropped and in all seriousness handed it to MCCARTHY! Incidentally, Charlie was an IRISH character.

Edgar Bergen played a supporting role in the film "I Remember Mama" (RKO, 1948). Good film. Bergen and McCarthy in film never impressed me as funny. Definitly going to find the Bergen and McCarthy show on the OTR sites.

The movie titled The Group was in the middle of its New York City shoot when Candice Bergen appeared with her father as the mystery guest. Neither of them mentioned her gig in the movie, nor did John Daly. I don’t know why.

Attractive and likeable, but not a very good actor.

@@jamesanthony5681 The Harvard Lampoon gave her one of its Worst Actress awards IIRC. She was stilted, and embarrassing when she tried to let herself go. A spuriously sophisticated TV sitcom was her level.

@@kelloggs5473 Pauline Kael wrote a long, caustic article about the making of 'The Group'.

@@esmeephillips5888 Stilted and embarrassing are good words. I'd add another: Cringe. She won a bunch of comedy Emmys in the late '80's and '90's and I couldn't figure out why, believing that Julia Louis Dreyfus should have won it almost every year for Seinfeld. And then I did some research. Bergen competed in the outstanding lead actress category and Dreyfus in the outstanding supporting actress bracket. Go figure. She got Murphy Brown (despite a bad audition) because she was attractive, likeable , a good sport and wouldn't be a sh*t disturber or a pain in the ass on set. And the producer wanted her.

Me too. "Ja, det är rätt, det är rätt." and "Nej, vi gör inte det." "Nej, jag är svensk." This must be the only time real Swedish words were heard in WML. :)

Johan Bengtsson Yes, Mr. Bergen's (or should I say "Bergren?) Swedish was surprisingly clear and distinct. Maybe Steff2929again is Swedish, or Scandinavian as well? ;)

SuperWinterborn Edgar Bergen legally changed his name quite early on in his career. The Swedish name Berggren is difficult to pronounce for an English speaking person. It's a compound noun with different pronunciations of the first and the second "g" [bærjɡre:n]. Almost impossible to figure that out from the spelling unless you know Swedish. "Bergen" is more similar to how most English speakers would say the name, and it's still a Swedish word. "Bergen" is the definite, plural form of "berg", meaning "the mountains". It's also the name of a breathtakingly beautiful city in Norway (although the etymology behind that name is somewhat more complicated). And yes, I am Swedish :)

Steff2929again Of course he changed his name, and the reason for why he did so, was obvious. ;) The etymologial origin of "Bergen" (the city in Norway), is not certain, but assumed to come from "Berg=Mountain, and "Vin(r)"= meadow, like "Vinland" (America, discovered by Leiv Eiriksson as the first European who sat the foot where "Newfoundland" is now) should mean "The Land of Meadows" ;) But since you seem to be quite informed about this topic, Im sure you already knew this! Welcome, to another Scandinavian, (although I already know you from earlier comments) and as you must have guessed by now, Johan Bengtsson is also Swedish. :)

Johan Bengtsson You know what's really funny? I used the translate feature on your comment, above, so that I could understand your quotes of Edgar Bergen's Swedish replies. Once again, the translation turned out very well ("Yes, that's right, that's right." and "No, we do not." "No, I'm Swedish.") But, for some odd reason, it also translated the *word* "Swedish" into the word "English," so that your last sentence reads, "This Must Be The Only Time real English words were heard in WML." LOL! (And I don't know why it added all those extra capital letters either!) Steff2929again Do you live in Sweden now?

That was a horrible crash - just minutes after the first of her eight afternoon traffic report. And it was just a day or two before her 29th birthday. www.flickr.com/photos/35687899@N00/5046131359/

Wow, how tragic and what a lovely sweet woman.

She resembles Ellen Barkin

Marie died in 1966, not 1965. The helicopter accident was reported in the defunct newspaper that was called The Evening Star in Washington, DC. You can access a database that has a digital scan of the article about the helicopter crash. The database is part of the DC public library website.

How terrible.

I remember seeing her as the Revlon "Tawny" girl in the window of a local pharmacy back in the late 50's. Then, of course, she made a huge impact as "Lakey" in 'The Group' in the mid 60's.

+norman duke Not just in the boring ensemble movie "The Group" (which I started watching one evening (it's up on DailyMotion) and gave up after about 30-35 minutes, because I found the characters shallow, manipulative, and just plain dislikeable), but also in "The Sand Pebbles" (which I liked a LOT) in 1966. She did well in a variety of movies, including "Soldier Blue," before hitting it a little bigger in "Carnal Knowledge" in 1970. Then came "Bite The Bullet" and "The Wind and the Lion" in 1975, and her career was off and running.

Adding, again as Murphy Brown as that series just started a reboot on CBS.

And she was the first person to host SNL twice in one season!

She was also on SNL just recently in a skit with the FIVE TIMERS CLUB ( people who have hosted SNL five or more times ). Now that's longevity!! ( For both Candice and SNL )

Both she and Dorothy would be gone within the year. It's so sad to think about

I researched her also just out of curiosity. Very sad indeed.

Reports from several sources state: "In Washington, D.C. a WWDC radio station helicopter crashed and burned shortly after taking off on September 1, 1966. Marie Elaine McDonald, of Silver Spring, Maryland (just outside of Washington, D.C.), was a helicopter broadcast traffic reporter for WWDC-FM, a Washington, D.C. radio station. Her rush-hour motto was, "If you're in a jam, here I am!" Marie McDonald, 28, and Lesco Kaufman, her helicopter pilot, landed at an industrial park between morning reports, to pick up cold drinks. Upon taking off, the helicopter struck power lines, crashed and burned, killing both her and the pilot. She died one day prior to her 29th birthday. She was born September 2, 1937 in Dallas, Texas, a native of Wichita Falls, Texas. Marie graduated from Midwestern College there with a bachelor's degree in theater arts. She later attended Yale University's Graduate· School of Drama. Besides her broadcasting work, she was known locally both as a fashion model and as an actress. Marie had been a contestant on the CBS game show "What's My Line?" which aired on September 12, 1965, one year earlier."

Thanks for the Info I wish more comments were of the nature as I search also and sometimes it' not so easy THANKS

So sad.

Jason Francis I think it's a fairly common name, but you never know -- stranger things have happened. :) I once made friends with a girl at camp who had the same last name as I did. Everyone always used to ask us if we were related, and we both replied no, it's just a common name. Months later we found out that we were actually 2nd cousins and had probably met before when we were much younger!

I know it could be a long shot but it was just a thought. My grandmother's name was Arletha Silver before she married my grandfather James Francis. Like I said, it's just a thought.

Have your DNA tested. You just may be!

Jason Francis w

That's what I thought.

I was drawn to this show bcoz i was searching for helen mirren and saw a clip of wml, and saw the resemblance of arlene to helen, i said how come helen was in a black and white tv show, she isnt that old, hehe....... and the rest is history ....... 😀😃

Omg i have always thought of that!!!

Yes! But a Mirren older that Arlene was at the time.

Not quite. Edgar Bergen was almost 62 years and 7 months old when this WML? episode aired. (His birthdate was 16 February 1903.) Candice Bergen (birthdate: 9 May 1946) just turned 62 four days ago.

@@jmccracken1963 As a little math check, that's a phenomenally good 72 years old

+jmccracken1963 +Jeff Sanford There are three kinds of people in the world: those who are good in math and those who are not! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-8JtnEUPvpus.html

@@jmccracken1963 Now she's 73! ;) In a few more years, she'll be old enough to be his mother :P

@@jmccracken1963 Being born in 1946 she is 73 now.

Sad 😞😟 love them love their wittiness and humor

😢

Bennett WAS the original dad joke.

John pronounced her name, "Can*dees*," and neither she nor her father corrected him, though I'm quite sure she pronounced it "*Can*diss" during her Murphy Brown heyday at least.

Yes I caught it and she was killed only a few months later too.... Again so sad!

I came here to see if anybody else had commented on that. A chilling throwaway line, in retrospect.

Spooky. My sister said the same words just a few weeks before she died in a car crash.

@@gogaijin She killed herself, by mistake. Enough conspiracism already.

@@esmeephillips5888 "Conspiracism"? 🤔

She did a lot of television with her father when she was a child. Here she is in 1958 on Groucho Marx's show ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-dy1TYrE8syI.html

I'm about 7 months older than Candice. I must have seen this show when it was broadcast.

soulierinvestments I thought I remembered them referring to the show as "Mrs. Dally Takes a Lover" when they'd talked about Arlene's preparations for it in previous episodes, but they seem to have shortened the name in time for the actual Broadway premier. I noticed this in the introductions of Arlene in the past couple of episodes and wondered if it was just squeamishness on the part of the CBS censors, but take a look at the original Playbill for the show: www.playbillvault.com/Show/Detail/8441/Mrs-Dally. It simply says "Mrs. Dally," just as Steve referred to it in his introduction of Arlene in this episode. The original title of the play by William Hanley actually seems to be "Mrs. Dally *Has* A Lover:" www.amazon.com/Mrs-Dally-Lover-Other-Plays/dp/B0010K6NDC.

SaveThe TPC This has come up before, but don't ask me when or where. Someone had commented about the producers specifically making a point that the full title of the play not be said on air due to squeamishness, but I can't vouch for this being true in any way. There were certainly plenty of uses of the full title initially, so I'd imagine if the producers made it a policy to call it "Mrs. Dally" at some point, it was due to some sort of minor backlash from viewers.

It's one of those titles where you feel as if it is being set up for sequels. Mrs. Dally Takes a Vacation. Mrs. Dally Takes out the Garbage. Mrs Dally Takes the A Train.

soulierinvestments How about "Mrs Daly Takes an Upper"? (all about a train trip).

As you noted, very strange and prescient mumbling from Dorothy @ 23:02. She would indeed be 'dead' in less than two months from this airing. Bizarre.

Just as Edgar was an excellent ventriloquist ON RADIO. He had great writers but did not try to hide mouth movements.

+Grant Bewick I'm really enjoying your comments, Grant-- I think you're new to the channel (or at least new to commenting on the videos). I don't remember seeing you before the last couple of weeks or so.

+What's My Line? The other comment on the helicopter reporter from Raoul Thomas leads us to a United Press International report of the helicopter crash. It was a UPI report that ran in a newspaper that was far away from the DC area. It doesn't have any photos. If you want to see a photo of Marie McDonald and/or you're interested in more information about her career, check the microfilm of the Evening Star of Washington, DC. Internet doesn't have it.

Yes, the accident happened just a year later. She was only 31 years old.

Hilary Grant She only 28, it happened the day before her 29th birthday

You know Murphy Brown is a fictional character 😂😂😂

@@thezmanchar So?

I loved that show, but I also loved her in Boston Legal.

Lars Rye Jeppesen the “nej, jag är svensk!” gets me every time

Totally agree. And classy. ❤

give me pizza or give me death Marie McDonald died a year later due a helicopter crash

Only the REAL killer would know that... !

Sad to hear. Her appearance on TV was at least a moment of pride for her folks to remember.

More of a "babe," I would say.

I agree. She is wonderful in The Group. The scene with Larry Hagman is great.

Chuck Endweiss - There was a book called The Group, made into a movie starring Candace Bergen, a few decades ago. It was a good movie with a replica of interaction patterns among young professional women. I first heard of the word chthonic from the book. I looked it up but I don't remember what the definition was. My friends and I read the book and we thought we identified with the characters. Candace Bergen played a beautiful lesbian, hard for men who were attracted to her to accept. I'd like to reread the book or watch the movie again.

Were her two siblings traffic reporters, too?

@@MrThesper I don’t think so. Could be wrong, though. Marie was a trailblazer.

So true. Apparently there was sibling rivalry with the dummy. That is pretty screwy when you think of it. Bad enough when your parents pick a favorite child but when you pick a prop over your flesh and blood, that is an insult of the highest order.

Ha, Ha ! Good joke, R77 ! 😊

No, Charlie McCarthy was Irish; you're Russian, at best related to Sputnik.

They did repeat on occasion. Some of the nicest ones sometimes. But Dorothy wore that awful Empire dress 3 or 4 times.

Still is. :-)

Still is in 2018 and still a great actress!!

No, but she's not supposed to be anyway.

BossaNossa1 is

That was creepy

Lawrence is one of the worst panelists ever on WML.

Candy?

Also, with Dorothy around that time in the video saying "I'm dead" was a bit foreshadowy and sad

Cortland Johansen I suspect between now and "then" we're going to be reading a lot into everything Dorothy does, says, and doesn't do. Me included. It's weird to be watching a person up until just about the very day they die. Yipes!

Joe Postove Have you considered reading Dorothy's plug of some song titles by Bob Dylan? Her column had the plug a few weeks after this live broadcast of What's My Line. Read the various items in the attached column as it appeared in Daytona Beach, Florida and eventually you find Dylan. news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1873&dat=19651015&id=Om0eAAAAIBAJ&sjid=UMkEAAAAIBAJ&pg=669,3424376 Had Dorothy truly hated Bob Dylan's music, or if his lyrics had offended her, then she would have refrained from providing her readers with two of his unusual song titles. That's the way she approached popular song lyrics. If she believed her readers should do without them, then she tried to downplay them by omission.

Charlotte Herschel The times were a changin' in the fall of 1965, alright: Vietnam, Dylan playing with a rock band.

+Joe Postove Were interracial marriages controversial north of the Mason-Dixon line?