What's The Difference Between a V5 and V13 Climber? (in-depth comparison)

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@abattisson Год назад

This is brilliant - the video comparison should be a series. Eye opening seeing a direct comparison and analysis between two climbers really makes taking away workable ideas so much easier.

@benbobben Год назад

I agree this format is great, I hope you do more like this! I think it would be good aswell for sam to repeat the problems after the comparison even if you just show the parts were the biggest improvements can be made. Its so informative seeing other people being coached!

@megamisterjimmyb13 Год назад

I couldn't agree more!

@0-Will-0 Год назад

Yes, pure gold!

@drummerjason Год назад

Agreed!

@hontes Год назад

Agreed. This format is elementary yet genius. I hope there's gonna be more!

@moritzmunchow1239 Год назад

Please make this a series! This is so interesting and helpful as an intermediate climber! ☺️ Maybe even on harder (over the limit) boulders. Seeing a pro do a hard climbs sometimes looks so easy and doable. So having a „normal“ climber to compare and pick apart is super interesting!

@OnsightGames Год назад

Highest Grade: V8 Weight on 20mm edge for 5 sec: 170% (105 lbs added) Hopefully this helps with your data collection :)

@pazu2988 Год назад

ur a monster man 💪

@palomeraleon Год назад

Highest grade V8 Weight in 20mm edge for 5 sec: 142% (27kg added). I’m hella weak

@Beanilikecheeeese 11 месяцев назад

damn man respect

@Achlys384 4 месяца назад

@@palomeraleonbut u climb v8 thats awesome good shit

@elihg3827 Год назад

The underrated aspect of finger strength is that it gives you more room for error to experiment with different moves and body positions on a climb.

@FallLineJP Год назад

Great video and definitely a lot of takeaways I can focus on as a V5ish climber. That said - I think the thing about readjusting your grip on the holds, and fluid motion is definitely something good to aspire to, but nothing to beat yourself up over. Clearly a V13 climber can waltz up a V4 (notice how Louis just campuses up to the finishing hold?), but that won’t be the case climbing at the limit. A 9a climber climbing 9a will have the same kind of controlled and methodical movements (IMHO 🫡) Also - Sam’s heel to toe hop swap was insane. I was like 🤯 when I saw that 😂💪🫡

@WilliamSurles Год назад

Yes. do more of these. Movement is so key in climbing. Really interesting to see the toe vs heal, and how you can rotate it later. Thats key.

@MiguelClimbs Год назад

This video is going viral! Get ready for worldwide fame Sam the cameraman! This comparison was awesome though. 🙌

@HaqueStreak Год назад

As a V5 climber, this is a fantastic video!

@gerardsleftsock3946 Год назад

the most chill cat ive ever seen

@tobias_george Год назад

Fantastic video. I've been thinking a lot about balance, body position, footwork drills, no-hands climbing lately thanks to Catalyst and Lattice videos as well as Libby Peter's excellent book Rock Climbing. Awesome seeing these ideas applied in a side by side comparison. Quality of movement is such a fascinating concept

@seanmadden5313 Год назад

I have climbed for years and top,out at about V6. I know I have the strength to achieve more. This has given me a load of hope even at my ripe old age. Great video!

@outandabout259 Год назад

Maybe flexibility training could help, I'm at the same level with weak fingers. Flexible hips and good imagination have helped a lot.

@seanmadden5313 Год назад

@@outandabout259 wise words. My flexibility is very poor and means I can’t get into the right place to make any strength deliver results. I am working flexibility, and some times just trying harder. I do think a positive attitude is massive. I feel motivated to move it on. Cheers

@trevorswayhome Год назад

That decision for the toe vs the heel was awesome. I never like to opt for a high toe, but they always seem to be the optimal way to position the foot when your about to be standing on top of said foot. Thank you for this video!!!!!!!!!!

@BenWiddowson Год назад

Absolutely incredible. I feel I learned so much more from this video than many other ‘coaching-style’ videos. Also great to have the comparison gains someone at my level. But I think the format would work for Louis vs someone at all grades. Best video you’ve put out for ages. More like this please ❤

@MrTEHSTUPID Год назад

Loved this! At first I thought the gap between v5 and v13 would be too wide to be interesting, but the analysis/comparison of movement was really helpful.

@bruteforcebeta59 Год назад

This was a great video and props to the editor for visuals during the technique comparisons! Would love to see more videos in this style/manner!

@debbieforwood3688 Год назад

Loved this. As a 5ft2 shortie with a negative ape index I'd love to see a short vs tall beta comparison ☺️

@sommer1982official Год назад

Would love to see that too! Sometimes I’m slightly frustrated when a way taller person can leave out holds and I’m not even managing the route with the holds available 😅

@TheKevinFanClub526 Год назад

Side by side comparison is very helpful for regular climbers to look for ways to improve.

@captaintvb Год назад

This is great! I was wishing Sam to go and try the blue one with improved foot position to see what actual difference it will make. Would be also nice for further videos: if there is obvious and easy to fix technique/body position difference - make the lower level climber try to fix it and see how it affects his climb.

@apelsin.bananovich Год назад

Yes!

@kitarrikangelanejuzz Год назад

Yes- please more videos like this 🤩 So educational to see how you analyze the climbs 🙈

@saardean4481 Год назад

I am an absolute beginner in climbing. I just noticed something that i know from “back in the day” in sports. Regarding 5:44 in the video. Don’t start an strain exercise with an exhalation. Its like throwing away energy. Oxygen is your friend and it even is for free. Instead , take a good breath and try to control the exhalation when the strain appears and not before you even start. From this point on, of course keep on breathing. Cool video guys. Will try some of these things out

@hughoreillyy Год назад

Louis this is easily the most helpful video I've seen from you so far, the side by side video analysis is huge. Make more of these please! 😊

@MichaelMarteens Год назад

Sam is a great sport, and did a great job hearing feedback!

@JREV123 Год назад

very effective comparison of two climber abilities. Learned a few tips.Thanks!

@huntergibson9359 10 месяцев назад

This was fascinating! So cool to see those subtle differences between the two of you. A follow up video where we see Sam's attempt to use some of the differences found to improve his ascent of those climbs would be super cool. I think a video where you take climbs that a climber can already do and improve their flow and efficiency would also be super useful as well.

@CaffeineStu Год назад

Make this a series please!!

@stuartwebster2203 Год назад

Fantastic format, I’d love to see more analysis like this. Super helpful and the dynamic with Sam makes it fun as well as a great learning exercise.

@giacomomattedi4326 Год назад

It's probably the best video you ever posted! Please make this a series

@nicolasgauthier5359 Год назад

Really enjoyed the video! I am currently about at the same level as Sam (as most climbers probably are) so I can absolutely relate to this feedback. Cheers

@ludocoker Год назад

The Tenzing can placement is perfect in every shot, well played Louis :)

@Greesher Год назад

Genuinely love these style videos. Climbing is SUCH a spectrum of a sport. So many different styles and stuff. Thanks for all the interesting insight!!! Really appreciate it

@rednoble Год назад

I like how proud he is of excelling in such a niche activity. Reminds me of boxers being proud just because they specialize in a very restrictive sport.

@gavrielmor4897 Год назад

It'd be interesting to see a camera angle parallel to the wall, so that we can see the hip and chest distance from the wall. Seems like you were hugging the wall all the way through. Great video

@juhuuu4798 Год назад

Thank you so much for this great video again, Louis! ❤ You are always explaining so precisely all the differences and all the "small" things we can do to improve, that's so fantastic and always motivating! Would love to have you as climbing coach, if I wasn't living in Germany.. 😅❤

@robertpoirier4557 11 месяцев назад

Really great video! I’ve only been climbing for 3 months and I’m progressing fast but with these lessons I believe I can make my sessions last longer and use less energy on problems.

@blakes8901 Год назад

this video, in particular, is great for explaining to a layman what makes a good climber into a great climber.

@rmazusa 3 месяца назад

This was great. Loved the comparison! Makes it easier to learn.

@dominicamend38 Год назад

V10 175lb/80kg bodyweight 110lb/50kg added weight on 20mm for 10 seconds 182lb single hand MVC on a Tindeq Hope it helps!

@lyssam100 Год назад

This is the first video from these guys I'm seeing, and my god, as an artist (so what I notice most is anatomy, which muscles move and how, etc. - I don't know anything technical about climbing) the V13 guy has some absolutely superb control of his own momentum. Not a skerrick of effort wasted.

@UNLIMITED_WMSEEDS Год назад

This is nice to watch since im at the same level as the v5 climber currently.

@MM-zm9lh Год назад

I like the idea of this video! I would've been interested to see you try sam's "beta" and vice versa. And then again ask the question: which feels better or if your beta is too hard for sam? I feel like finger strength, or strength in general, makes a big difference in being confident on movements

@lukasobi Год назад

Would love to see more of this. I finally understand how do pros make it look so easy!

@RevoltIsTaken Год назад

This style of direct comparison would be awesome for you to continue. Especially if you could include more people - comparing 4 or 5 climbers at the same time and seeing where the similarties are between tackling routes.

@kennethxing5380 Год назад

super helpful content, would lvoe to see a series. So many times when I'm at the gym, I see a more experienced climber do a problem I've just completed. But it's like what Neil said, a lot of the times I don't really notice the minute differences between our solutions. This vid definitely gave me a hint as to what better climbers might be doing compared to me.

@xLoFeSx Год назад

the climbing and comparison is cool and everything, but I need more information about this cat :D

@thewateringwiz7118 Год назад

Loved the video, it's great to see the differences and your analysis Louis ! Would definitely love more !

@shahblam Год назад

Definitely could be a series

@khakicam5400 Год назад

Great format, the technique insights from the comparison were excellent. A third strong static climber would be interesting too.

@gabrielegonzales Год назад

This was such a great video! Thank you so much, it was so interesting. Hoping for more! P.S.: Sam is an absolute natural in front of the camera

@yannickfrogel3537 Год назад

Now would be cool to see a V17 real bouldere vs V13 boulderer comparison.

@librapower7810 Год назад

Yeah please do more of these comparison videos, learnt so much thanks

@e.h.5849 10 месяцев назад

this is some top notch analysis material, approached from science perspective. Amazing stuff, well done.

@LM_Scruffs Год назад

I'm excited to see this comparison since I just got my 1st V5 a couple days ago and have gotten close on a couple others so it'll be cool seeing the differences. After having watched most of the video I'm curious as to why on the 2nd V4 they didn't go for right hand before left, on zoom it looked easier but idk since I'm not able to touch the hold

@stephendaedalus7841 Год назад

Great video, would love to see more - especially the less experienced climber retrying the climbs at the end

@wyattumlauf558 Год назад

V9 with 160% on 20 mm edge, I hate small edges, my pull up is 175% lol (I haven’t tried higher). also I weigh about 145

@dizietz Год назад

IT would be great to measure shoulder strength (scapular pull, external rotation, etc) in addition.

@Supernova2995 Год назад

Highest Grade: V10 Weight on 20mm edge for 5 sec: 200% (135 lbs added)

@sliceoftsai Год назад

Thanks for the video! Super helpful to a V4 climber!

@Hiola99 Год назад

would be interesting to see you coaching someone who isn't as tall as you are! Great Video

@spicy8241 Год назад

Highest grade: v8/ 7b Added weight on: 45kg 140% bodyweight bodyweight: 63kg

@tyler___3 Год назад

16:27 i tore my meniscus on a move very similar to this. You should use the toe in this situation!! The heel appears to be keeping his knee from rotating properly so he had to hop to the toe in order to stand up on it. Do not use a heel or a toe that locks your knee into a spot when you’re rocking over. This is especially true if you lack hip mobility, so men

@raeyth_ Год назад

I'd love to see a follow up of this with maybe a V1 beginner climber vs something like a V6 or V7 climber.

@maketusmaximus1163 Год назад

Highest bouldering grade outside: V7 20mm edge 7sec max hang: 126% = 20kg added (76kg bodyweight) I am well aware of my weak fingers🙄

@Taiwon Год назад

Highest Grade: V4 Weight on 20mm edge for 5 sec: 100% (195 pounds)

@masona952 Год назад

great video again Louis! If possible I would love to see more kilter board content.

@SuseKuss Год назад

I think you should also talk about/ meassure core strength, which plays a big role in climbing.

@sethblanchard4829 Год назад

Would love to see this with a v8/9 climber too. Super helpful to see the video analysis

@rnedisc 7 месяцев назад

I'm also a V5 climber at 92kg, 202cm and my max hang is 116% (or about 15kg extra). 154% is insane to me.

@paulmorin2582 Год назад

Excellent! Seeing these differences was very instructive.

@luke.bburcham7270 Год назад

Highest grade climbed is a few v5s On 20mm I can do my body weight (130lb)+5lb

@bozarus Год назад

Guys, that's the real deal! More of those please. Btw Louis - today I was on a crux with a rock over and the thing that I was missing is the thing that you are describing. How cool is that?! (Amma gonna crush it tomorrow)

@AndersMardh-h5m 6 месяцев назад

Fantastic! More of this!

@elliottlowrance4252 Год назад

V12, I weigh 160 and can do 5 sec with 170lbs added.

@the_real_big_swede3323 Год назад

i think lattice might have compared grades to finger strength, might have to fact check that tho

@danielboucher5989 10 месяцев назад

Max climb V8 outdoors and I can barely do body weight, but I’ve gained almost 10 kg since then and am probably like v5/6 climber now..

@DrachenBlasen Год назад

It would have been so nice to have him reclimb all the climb, try all the tips and see if it made any difference and could do the climbs more efficiently!

@trainmoveimprove Год назад

This was an awesome comparison! Thanks for the in depth movement breakdown, very cool especially for that rockover move. Also, as a v7 climber, it's humbling to see Sam's finger strength far surpass mine! 😅 Guess I need to keep training it!

@nickroovers3724 Год назад

Really good stuff, thanks for this! Fantastic video!

@jammyscoot3646 Год назад

I climb 7B and have done 51kg on the same edge at 80kg body weight.

@kyleratherton226 Год назад

Highest grade v8 Max hang on 20 mm was 177% body weight 115 pounds added

@d3th3n Год назад

Love the comparison videos. More please!

@gamotousername Год назад

It would be great to see the V5 climber try the blue problem with toe this time

@Emilk0130 24 дня назад

I'm really questioning that people keep bringing up adjusting positioning and hand placement during climbing as a technical error. It seems to be mostly a byproduct of climbing close to your max effort. Place someone on a lighter boulder and the almost instantly stop doing it as the breeze through. I have seen some of the top climbers start doing it as well when they are getting challenged enough.

@samt73 Год назад

V7/F7a+ - 114% bodyweight hang half crimp

@isabelian Год назад

More of this! SO GOOD!

@PotatoSalad11 Год назад

This is probably a very basic question, but if you describe someone as a "V5 climber", what does that mean? Is that the grade they can comfortably climb? The highest grade they've ever climbed? Or something in between? I'd normally flash V4, climb 90% of V5s, climb 40% of V6s, climb 10% of V7s, and I have climbed a couple of V8s.

@michaelsass9416 Год назад

if disney makes atlantis live version. this dude gotta play the milo role damn

@DL-Davide 7 месяцев назад

Is this the same guy commentator of IFSC? The voice is the same

@christaylor1106 Год назад

V12 210% 5s Beastmaker 2000 20mm edge

@lopsidedpotato Год назад

I wish id watched this video for the grip position tip at 5:18 6 months ago before pulling too hard in that position

@miguelnatal1028 Год назад

What was the grade of each boulder? They do not seem harder than V3 / V4, but I might be wrong. Very nice video btw.

@jasperverhoef5641 Год назад

Really helpfull! I learned a lot! More like this please!

@RooftopRamble Год назад

This is so interesting I climb outdoor v7 and I have a weight of 83kgs but I only can hang around 25 % of my bw when I see people at v5 with that amount of finger strength I am astonished how they’re not climbing at least v9

@TheXeeman Год назад

his beta is based on his confidence which is based on his mentality which is based on his strength. Ultimately being strong is the key component to climbing harder. Be strong, not injured.

@EricBates Год назад

Very cool, thanks for this

@heruilin4404 Год назад

Highest Grade: V4 Weight on 20mm edge for 5 sec: BW only

@Teardropbrut Год назад

Should have reclimbed the blue route after the anlysis, would have been interesting to see if he'd climbed it much more easily with the new beta.

@FusRoTEAPot Год назад

Loved the video, loved the cat more 😀

@SeanGardiner-digital Год назад

Awesome video. Love the analysis!

@KruisingKruxes Год назад

Lattice training, did a video where they recorded hundreds of peoples strength tests compared to there grades. Great watch

@jaybee946 Год назад

Surprised that guy is only a V5 climber. His strength was very impressive. But was still interesting to see a solid but "normal" climber against an elite one. The V13 climber was not quite as strong as I expected, but on the wall the way he could move didn't even make sense to me. His power and fluidity is just crazy.