I think it is a mix of various ones. Depending on what area of Diesel punk. If you want the less war side of it, and the more adventurous Indiana jones type. For sure. If you want the more war torn one. Maybe as shock troopers
In my opinion Diesel Punk is such an aesthetic that it doesn’t even need to be fictional. Most WWII movies in the modern age for the tone (obviously) but also, even Harley and the Davidsons 3-part series fits the whole scene very well and it’s semi-historical.
I'd really like to reccomend Paul Shapera's "The New Albion Radio Hour: A Dieselpunk Opera." It's a rock opera with a jazz music style with the backdrop of a radio play. Set in a city-state torn by civil war, there are cyborgs, heists, voodoo cults, and cigarette ads. It's one of my favorite stories ever and the music is beautiful. I'd give it a listen! (Edit, you just mentioned it. If you're interested, there's an official Discord server that gets special stuff from Paul and the center of the entire fandom.)
Two movies that showcase this style prominently is Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow, and Mutant Chronicles. Particularly the opening battle scene of Mutant Chronicles really shows the warfare this style of Punk should be accompanied with.
Borderlands and Eastward are my favorite Dieselpunk games 😁 my favorite movies are Atlantis the Lost Empire, Howls Moving Castle and Nausicaa and the Valley of the Winds
I like this. I'm familiar with Sky Capt. and Rocketeer, but I'm also familiar with the anime 2D arcade shmups that were throwbacks: 1944, Strikers 1945, Strikers II, etc. Awesome games that elevated the gunner fly-boi to a war-superhero that even ends whacko mechanizations from outer space (sometimes showing up as final bosses). Horror, you ask? You'd think that H.P. Lovecraftian stuff would horror up the genre just fine. I figure he'd be almost a contemporary.
so do you think Disney's Talespin counts as deiselpunk? it has tons of air travel with fantastical airplanes, airships, and even air pirates to give that pulp adventure feel. and Shere Khan from Jungle Book was this Lex Luthor-style tycoon who consistently bought stuff out, dealt under the table, and physically intimidated people with his goons, claws, and sheer menacing aura. when i discovered the Crimson Skies games, it was so similar to Talespin they brought back a handful of wonderful childhood memories!
Not sure if it counts since pretty much 100% of the pure horror takes place in non-dieselpunk environments and the game as a whole is quite mild in it's dieselpunk themes, but I'll say it anyway: _Return To Castle Wolfenstein_ (2001) to me is a text book example of horror being introduced to a dieselpunk setting. While most of the horror is in ancient catacombs and crypts, it fits in the story and spices up the gameplay nicely. If you haven't checked the game out, I recommend you to do so. But on another note, this is definitely my favorite punk-style. I crave the lung cancer and greenhouse effect caused by oil.
There is at least 2 games that are Diesel punk, well technically three. The two Crimson Skies games, and Iron Harvest. You have another comic seires, a new one about airships combatting each other, like airships and stuff like that. Some consider Bioshock games to be Diesel and a few other punks combined. Huge fan od Diesel, though I mainly liked it for the world war aspects of it.
It's a very cool subgenre. I wish there were more works of that kind around. I think a very cool example is Attack on Titan, which combines it with biopunk I guess.
Have you heard of radiumpunk, biodieselpunk or blitzpunk? (Though blitzpunk might be the least fun to research. The nicest way to put it, what if 1940s Germany or fantastical equivalent won wwii in the dieselpunk universe. Biodiesel isn't too fun either.)
Radium punks come up with other people I chat about punk stuff it’s just atompunk under a different name was the consensus with no one really giving a reason why it’s different except the guys that made an tabletop it pop up in had never heard the term before. Biodiesel punk needs more time to develop but I don’t think it will ever really manafest into a genre. Booth cyberpunk and solarpunk have biodiesel as a fuel source. Blitz punk is 100% a thing and will never be on show.
I thought radiumpunk was between the 1890s-1920s with Marie Curie's discovery of Radium. And I'm honestly glad you're not discussing blitz. We don't to open up old wounds especially now.
Truth not a lot experience and Admittedly a terrible shot. I do like p90s sg1 and video games is mostly the reason. For my own education other than it being a mid range weapon what’s wrong with p90?
I’m not really sure what this comment is on about p90s are all around very well designed and effective minimal recoil armor piercing with plenty of rounds in a compact well built package. the only reason it wasn’t adopted by NATO was because some executive had a hissy fit it’s an smg that does what it was designed to do very well.
Dieselpunk is a interesting and very unique concept for me. I usually get it confuse With Steampunk sometime, usually being involved of technology. However, There is one question I always wanted to know, what time period fit for a dieselpunk? And does Atlantis the lost empire count as a steampunk or dieselpunk?
Peter Ang generally diesel is set after world war 1 to ww2 and or during. As for Atlantis probably up the point they actually get to the lost City is dieselpunk but I haven watched that movie since I was a kid. That’s my opinions anyway. 🙂
Nowhere Productions considering the technology that was use in the film and the setting being in 1914, I guess it does somewhat count as Diesel punk, since I always view steampunk as having a more less and simpler design for technology and Dieselpunk having a more technology based. So yeah, thanks for answering my answer.
I had a whole stream with Eric Fisk on Mad Max, but no. Genre-wise Mad Max is Post Apocalyptic. Aesthetically it can be argued. But my problem with al the Whatever Punks is that people assume something-punks have a monopoly on aesthetics and themes.
Probably too late but I didn't see anyone mention jakub roszalki(spelled wrong) and the world of 1920+ totally worth a checkout Also where would you put red alert video games, diesal punk or atom punk or something else?
Daniel Fitzpatrick I don’t know anything about the red alert series give me a sec...(checks RU-vid) wow EA really is the Michael Bay of the video game industry. Peter Stormare and Tim Curi doing fmv scenes was cool. Ok so as a personal rule once you throw time travel into something I just chalk it up as alt history, were going to start throwing a lot of hats once a time machine enters the picture. However since this is my schtick let’s break it down. Diesel punk in the setting zeppelins, war, walking tanks and the players on the board but not athletic as even red alert 1-2 seemed like pretty slick looking tech even if it didn’t always work right. Atompunk but mainly the costume choices for the ladies (god bless the ussr) but nothing else as atompunk is very much about space and groove-ness (from my brief research I haven’t cover it yet.) maybe some Teslapunk depends on how much the use Tesla towers.
The World of 1920+ is what I think is one of the best examples of Diesel punk. Look at Iron Harvest game to get a hint of it if you want a good idea of it. His art is also amazing and shows what could happen
Is Mad Max Furry Road dieselpunk? I think it is. (For the sake of simplicity I will use the word *"artist"* for every single creative person like writers, movie producers and everyone who might contribute to dieselpunk.) Restraining a genre is almost always suffocating the genre. If we claim that dieselpunk has to have this one topic: II world war and needs to have clothes, architecture and tech looking like in the 30s and 40s, than artists will immediately run out of fuel. Pun intended xD There is only one aesthetic of the 30s and 40s. If someone has to do precisely that, there is not much room for variation. And artist want to do something that feels original (audiences also want to see that). Let's say we have a '*'slightly more loose definition ('*' a little bit of restraint isn't bad): Dieselpunk - Anything that describes a setting where extrapolated/fictional combustion technology is used to produce power. Power that a society needs to function, therefor needing fuel. ^In this case the artists can produce almost infinite amounts of dieselpunk artwork/books/movies. We may never get bored of it. _____ Let's say we have a very strict definition: Dieselpunk: Clothes, architecture and designs in the style of 1940s, always war and the protagonist is a soldier using a big flying device. ^It's going to be harder to get new ideas and audiences will get bored fast. This is why I believe genres benefit from a definition that is slightly to loose, than slightly to restrictive. I've analyzed several music and literature genres and came to this conclusion a year before.. Long topic.. It's not important if Mad Max should be called dieselpunk. Maybe it shouldn't. But we should be careful to not overuse the "this isn't [...]punk". PS: the video is amazing work👍
No , i don't consider mad max disselpunk, basically because I think that the noir is a basic part of the the disselpunk, also the technology advance. The pulp feeling of wonder is also missing in madmax , so for me personally is not disselpunk
You earned a dislike from me for calling the Rocketeer crap, but otherwise, this is an informative video--very helpful for someone investigating the genre.
As someone who is starting to get into dieselpunk aesthetics and also considers Mad Max: Fury Road one of their all-time favorite movies, I still don’t think Mad Max is really dieselpunk per se. To me, dieselpunk is very much linked to 20th-century urbanism and needs at least a semblance of civilization to manifest, while the whole point of Mad Max (at least, after the very first movie) is that it takes place after the end of modern civilization. It depicts a world that’s sparsely inhabited outside of a few small city-settlements, and even those don’t have the industrial capacity to develop a whole lot of new technologies, as opposed to the innovation-rich industrialized societies you see in dieselpunk.
The last two movies are desertpunk no question about that. The first two could be a few others but I haven’t done the research yet. And without question non of it is Dieselpunk
Alexs Mercer22 WUP list as of sept 2020 Elven Punk Sky Punk Vapor punk Decopunk Dungeon punk Tesla Punk Atom punk Nowpunk Stitchpunk cattle punk Dreadpunk Manorpunk Raypunk Silk punk Transistorpunk MythPunk Rococopunk Bugpunk Oceanpunk Sandalpunk Stonepunk Plaguepunk Electro punk Aphro punk Desertpunk Seapunk And I’m still looking for more.
Nowhere Productions I say go through the most know ones then see if you shrink list into some videos not individual. If you doing individual massive respect
Rocketeer was a comic first. The movie come later. You also left out The Shadow movie and The Phantom movie. They all came out around the same time. Lastly in first Mad Max movie the cars are powered methanol made from wood alcohol because gasoline supplies had already almost ran out. It's not a diesel punk genre at all for many reasons.
Wow it has surprisingly modern colors for a comic that came in 82. Thanks for the correction. The shadow/ phantom radio drama and comics are great. I prefer doc Samson over all but that why I left them out personal bias because the movies are terrible I’ve gotten better about that in my new videos. Mostly mocking how I ever thought mad max was Dieselpunk.
@NylasWUP The Machine Games ones New Order, Old Blood, New Collisus (we don't talk about yung blood cause it was bad.) I feel like those are good examples of dieselpunk.
They are and they would have made it in if at the time of making the video I had played any of them. I did give them a shout out in my video on Decopunk
More steelpunk for me but get that I’m in the minority on that. In my defends steelpunk really likes power armor and while other stuff exist 40k is known mostly for power armor
