Funny you say that. I saw my first fly hacker (in classic era) yesterday in WG. He was farting around the south tower, and it looked like he was having trouble doing it. He disappeared before I could click on him lol
That's not really what they're doing though. They're paying to reduce the amount of time they need to spend playing parts of they game they don't want to or don't have the time to. I hate the wow token, I think its really stupid it was added, but its pretty inaccurate to say they're paying to skip parts of the game that have any meaningful value.
It’s not as simple as that. Not everyone has ample time to play the game. With how the game currently is, if you are casual yet want to raid, you do GDKP. If you are casual you don’t have a lot of gold or time to farm gold. So you buy it. Now you can do the content you want to do.
@@matthuckleberry5238 I don't think Im gonna spend a penny ever again. I can earn enough gold to buy token from AH doing my usual activities. There is no need for gold anyway....
Im just glad i got to experience WoW before its downfall. Those memories will remain with me forever. What it is now isnt the wow I remember and thats fine. No King rules forever. Wow had its reign and it was glorious while it lasted.
The monthly subscription is supposed to be THE monetization model, not in addition to WoW token and other MTX. It's supposed to be guaranteed income for the developer to sustain and develop the game. And the extra development time for expansions are paid for by the box price of the expansion itself. It's fine to have *light touch* MTX on the side, like name change or server transfer, but nothing intrusive into the gameplay. That sort of MTX is supposed to be reserved for trashy free-to-play titles. But "profit margins" are such an addictive and prescriptive mindset for developers and "investors" that they completely override any consideration for ethical business practices, community support, a healthy playerbase, the long-term sustainability of the monetization model and the IP. It's actually depressing and disheartening to see these things happen again and again. And it's happening on a wider scale as well, not just with games. The fact that not even on a relatively minor scale like gaming we can do this right really reinforces that doomer mindset many people have for humanity at large. We are just too greedy, small-minded and selfish to ever wisen up to "the greater good", and a sustainable, healthy and cooperative future.
It's the decline of ethics overall. Turns out when most humans stop being religious they don't get taught or feel the need to be ethical. I hate 99% of what religion is mostly, but it's greatest achievement was teaching the masses to stop being barbarians to each other to grow civilisation. You remove that, they return to behaving like animals or inventing new religions and people to worship. Gamers absolutely were more ethical 15 years ago, now as each ethical rule is stripped away degeneracy runs amok.
You say this as if everyone does it, when nobody in the MMO industry reaches a level even half as disgusting as Blizzard. At some point you have to start pointing fingers.
Let's be honest, any game that has tradable currency that can be used to buy power will have RMT. The only way to really get away from it is to play single player games.
cata was mid and they know most people will quit classic and go back to p.servers or retail thats why they now introduce the wow token to make as much money as possible on the best xpac.
I just don't think that's true reagarding the level boost. Many people quit during naxx because it was so easy and dragged on too long. Another batch quit soon into Ulduar as that turned out to be a lot easier than expected.
Thats cap bro. Tokens are fantastic for those working 40+ hours a week. Like many others i dont have the time to play more then 2 hours a night after work. When tokens first came out i was in highschool and able to buy tokens to get my subscription to play. Parents wouldnt do it, so that was nice. Think a bit harder before you put out wrong opinions
@@jamescoverdale7847 Why do you play the game then if you dont have time? Why the fuck should the entire game cater to someone who doesn't even have time to play it in the first place? It is an MMORPG. If I don't have time to complete an ultra marathon because I lack the time to practice. Should the entire race be compromised because of me, and my ability to pay to get ahead for others? How much up your own arse do you have to be. To think this way?
@@jamescoverdale7847 ah yes. 'The lets completely nuke the entire economy by implementing real money in the economy, basically making it pay to win' argument. Surface deep bs deflection of what the consequences are of the WoW token. Your smooth brained soft boiled thought really is indeed a wrong opinion.
If Blizzard had a track record of quality execution and benevolent/ reasonable decision making I would give tokens a lukewarm reception with optimistic but hesitant overtones. But it’s been years since Blizzard has been able to show any tangible streak of such good faith. Any time we do get any it’s always a flash in the pan and we have to constantly be worried about a reversal of fortunes which they inevitably and rapidly confirm. In a vacuum the WoW token has a small chance of being a positive thing. Blizzard has shown us that is not the case, this is greed. They want their cut of the 3rd party gold market rather than putting in the greater effort of mitigating it. TLDR Wow token is not inherently evil but the intentions behind the company make it so.
Funny how when they bring in MORE money through a store, or add ons, the overall “quality” of things tends to degrade 😂😂😂 You’d THINK it would be the complete opposite lol ❤
Oh my lord. I went full Capitalist in Legion and was using it to pay for the game, faction changes, mounts and even having a positive battlenet balance. The only problem is; it really sapped the fun out of things. Spending all afternoon doing dailies and then playing the AH and selling random shit or crafting leather working things so I can make my goblin more money was just too on the nose. EVE Online and WoW have a strange connection. Because the boomer who made the Glider bots and other cheats ended up making PLEX with the Devs. I think the old guy still makes videos on youtube XD
The sad thing is how RMT has taken over MMORPGs. People can't just enjoy and respect the game anymore. They have to cheat and are willing to pay to do it.
cmon man, this video is not well balanced. it leans heavily towards the blizz point of view, how they want us to perceive those changes. the fact is, microtransactions are not benign at all, as they (and will too) portray. see it as the legalization of goldselling, this is a very bad trend and it shows how little blizz actually care about classic as the game
@@ItsYent right? The pvp bots boosting the R14 charts, RMT GDKP, Scarab Lord BS, the character boost, RMT TBC mount, but the token is what did it for them
I want to go on record saying that it is incorrect that younger gamers aren't interested in MMOs, they are interested but are turned off by the older community and lack of quality most have had as of the last good few years.
@@Fabriciod_Crv I'm not saying that MMOs are the most popular game genre, I'm saying that more younger gamers of kids and teens show interest in MMOs than WillE is saying.
My concern with the WoW token is that it further diminishes reasons to play on a small server. Some small servers don't have many or any gdkps (and payouts aren't insane). So why not transfer, even an alt, to a bigger server to raid a few times a month and pay for your sub? Just further exacerbates player population on these struggling servers.
But... Why? Does it somehow affect your own enjoyment of the gameplay? Even if the guy next door can buy all the gear you have, you still had fun getting that gear and no-one can take that feeling of achieving it away from you.
@@iMrBananaman Why do you care so much what other people have and how they got what they have? Only thing that matters is if you had fun doing it. Looking to get validation from other players, to let THEM decide if what youve achieved is worth anything is a terrible mindset. Its just a game.
i think bliz will end up doing something like the ever quest guys. keep up retail and launch a new set of progression severs every time the current ones hit cata and more or less officially condone classic, tbc, and wrath privet severs
I think the problem with the Token in Classic is... well, its Classic. Its supposed to be an era without these micro transactions, without modern tools that only serve to break up communities, without convenience. It was supposed to be painful, and in overcoming these challenges with new friends become memorable. Thats what Classic was supposed to be, thats what the community fought for for years. And this idea is corroding away: Other than grafics and LFG/LFR (which will come soon anyway), what makes Classic now any differend from Retail? In an interview with Ion Hazzicostas, Preach asked how much Classic's popularity is paying for retail, and though Ion didnt tell any numbers or anything, his choice of words was something like, that income from Classic is considerable compared to Retail (watch the Preach video for more details, I dont recall it that well). It stands to reason that Blizz wants to monetize this game, Classic, as best they can. And if in so doing they destroy the vision the game started with and which was the reason for its success... Well, lets wait and see. There are many players who either dont care or wholeheartedly support this decision. Just dont tell me, their poor explanation as to why they did it, is anything other but profiting of a problem they themselves have created and are now exploiting: namely bots, RMT and GDKPs. Also, I dont think botting and RMT will go away: their gold is going to be way cheaper to compete with the Token. And people have already proven that they take the risc regardless.
But it’s not, sadly. The players have corrupted the classic experience completely with their min-maxing mindset, and only „approved“ specs please. Fuck this shit tbh. No one allows you to just play the game the way you want which is TOTALLY viable and fine simply because it’s not „best“ spec. It’s what ultimately killed it for me. I loved playing classic but the no life people have ruined it, just like they did the original.
@@iriswaldenburger2315 While I agree with your sentiment, I don't think you should overlook blizzard's obvious reluctance to strike down on bots that provided the gold for players to buy (which was totally not due to them paying subscription fees or anything). First they allowed the issue to form (again), then they allowed it to persist (again) and now they are profiting from it directly, just a bit earlier in WoW's timeline than previously.
@@MNAHN-T.GOF-NN Also a valid point, yes - one which many people accuse Blizz of (me included, even if this wasnt obvious from my post). As for min-maxers... a friend of mine plays Classis since its release, and already back then, "if you play mage, you play gnome - end of discussion; dont wanna play gnome, you dont join our team". Its all fun and games until a certain threshold is crossed. And the Classic community crossed it from the start... On the other hand, one extreme doesnt really depict the whole situation... After all, I dont know every Classic player - thank Goodness :D
I wouldn't put all the blame on Blizzard. Classic was never meant to be a vanilla-like experience. During Vanilla data was scarce and most people were noobs - not just in wow but generally when it comes to the MMORPG genre. You could already tell that Classic will be a different experience once all those youtubers and the online community started to "prepare". So people went on private servers and found the best ways to make gold quickly, level as fast as possible or find decent grinding spots to get valuable loot. This is also when the min-max mentality came along. The absurdity comes into play when you consider that many of exactly those people were the ones who called for "no changes" - not just making parts of the game unneccessarily less accessible but also less attractive for casual players who don't want to go along with this. At the same time people complain about a shrinking player base ... Even changes like the Token or a RDF would not undo most of the harm which was actually inflicted by a part of the community.
You mentioned they lost the China server and makes me wonder if they pushed for thos because of it. But keep in mind that blizzard is trading in what good faith they had left with the standard classic player for a game that has about a year left of run time, unless of course they do cataclysm or something else
Estimated 3 million Chinese WoW players alone lost. Who knows how much they lost in China incl SC, OW, Hearthstone and there's no clear path to get those players back lol.
@@waysoe22 So? China would just steal Blizzard's IP, make their own knockoff and kick Blizzard out of the deal anyways. Working with China as a foreign company is akin to working with terrorists who make you tea before the contract signing.
as someone who exclusively raid with guild, i have no use for gold. as you said, you get excessive amount of gold just from playing the game without doing any farming. i'll gladly raid log and play the game fore free for however long i'm going to stay interested in classic. thanks bliz.
On the topic of who buys WoW tokens for real money and still enjoys the game afterwards, I have plenty of times: I'm a PvPer, rated PvP is 90% of what I do in the game (The other side is RP, but we don't need gold for that :P) and sadly over the years PvP tends to not earn enough gold to sustain itself, especially post-Legion you've needed more and more stuff if you want to be competitive: BoE (Especially in BfA with corruptions), legendaries in SL, crafted items in DF, and of course always enchants and gems, which have become way more expensive in DF than they used to be. And since all I want to do in WoW is PvP, working for 1 hour IRL then buying a WoW token to be set for a season is a lot more fun and will have me enjoy the season for longer than having to do hours of farming.
If you like to pay wow tokens to gear yourself for pvp and get boosted, you're not a pvp but a trash player who don't deserve to play the game at high level.
Isnt gold buying rampant on private servers? I think I remember hearing even that people were paying mods real money to have then generate items for them (I can’t remember what private server this was)
Thanks for all the work you invested into wow classic. I've been a subscriber since a bunch of months before classic vanilla launched. And gave up on the community during classic naxx. I managed to do all the raiding of classic as a retribution paladin, which I always wanted to do as I only started playing the spec during bc. Anyway, you kept me invested in a game I spent half my life in. But now I bid you farewell as i give up on gaming altogether with the exception of valheim. Farewell, and all the best.
I bought gold in ffxiv when one of the major patches dropped. I only did it to buy all the best crafted gear and melds so I could orange parse early in the tier before the competition catches up. Was it worth it? Only to find out how hollow the whole experience is lmao
Ever since 2019-classic blizzard has been totally fine with people trading classic gold for retail gold which is essentially like having the token in classic, just with a few extra steps and I think it sucks just as much
@@tkzsfen just like that, you ask and arrange it, blizzard even bans them if they scam you i think (although i can't guarantee they will restore your gold)
my little brother has been payin 2 subscriptions using classic gold to trade for retail gold for tokens and still has 2 gold caps left over on wotlk but i still think this should not be allowed and everyone should just pay a sub and that way playing the game would be the only ban-safe way of being stacked
There's no need to speculate tho... Look at retail, boom, the future is already here. MadSeason already tried to warn people years ago when the level boost was implemented in TBC. It doesn't take a genius to know how blizzard will handle classic. It won't die, that's for sure since people still play retail but expect a lot less players than there is now. That's about it. Let's hope they don't try to immediately put all this shit in SoM2 or whatever is the new vanilla classic gonna be called. So at least we get a couple of months of peace there, after that, we just quit again.
@@DLC90itno Private servers that also making profit behind the scenes? Stop being so naive about private servers. Just put preassure on Blizzard by unsub until you have the game we want. As West said above - if they put it ingame we just quit again until they understand. New leadership coming in soon anyway and maybe they will analyze this differently.
that actually seems like a good reason for their actions. Perhaps they dont have the guts to make a cata server and just want to siphon the last bit of cash that they can.
Many people are sadly not principled. Even if an individual person would prefer not to have pay-to-win in the game, if given the opportunity to safely buy gold for money, or earn easy money in RMT-corrupted GDKP, they will take it more likely than not. It's really up to the developer to take accountability on behalf of their players and set the standard. Properly punish people who abuse and exploit the economy, set the rules and allow honest people to enjoy a balanced and grounded game. Blizzard decided to do the opposite of that, and give in to the weakness and feed the temptation.
how is this still an argument. if buying gold is made possbile ppl will start using it. if blizzards response to an economical problem like that is an extra monetization for them, then its save to say they dont care
Even I have 35k from doing a few gdkps and selling 1 token. I'm set for a while but I know it's not much compared to what some people have. One guy dropped 60k on the 10m hm ring out of Ulduar this past week so I know lots of people are close if not gold capped. I personally havent had 35k before so it is a lot for me. Long story short, you sir are correct that gold in Wrath Classic is worth far less than it used to be and it will probably only get worse when ICC comes out
Nothing means anything anymore. See someone with gladiator title and mount, 50/50 it was boosted. See endgame weapons, titles and rare mounts, could easily have been bought. If I still played I wouldn't feel any awe at seeing players with rare titles or mounts anymore because there's a good chance it just means they bought it.
@@vaylox09 What? Solved? What are you talking about, 'solved'? Back in the original game everyone looked at awe at people with a gladiator title, or Kingslayer, or Shadowmourne. Now it means nothing. And you seem to care an unhealthy amount about a random comment on a video.
Sorry to break it to you but gold has always been easy access through 3rd party sites. And boosting aswell (prior to token.) Not to mention there is a 50/50 chance those "gladiators" scripted (cheated) their way to success. There are even ppl doing it LIVE on streams lol.
@@Icicleyo Are you claiming that offering a legal way to buy gold does not exacerbate the RMT problem in WoW? I'm absolutely sure that many times more players will engage in RMT now compared to previously, because that 1% of getting banned is just that intimidating when you have invested so many thousands of hours into your character.
@@Icicleyo Did you even play in 2006-2007? Or are you thinking of the Cata and on era, post glory days? If anyone found out you bought gold or boosted in OG or TBC you got instantly blacklisted on all important guilds on the entire server. There would be posts about it on the realm forums. One dude bought account with glaives and got so sh*t on he stopped playing.
Blizzard needs to make it so I can log into my classic character list & buy a token from there with my gold. The same way it works with retail, showing my characters as 'inactive' until I buy one
11:55 You say there isn't a lot to spend gold on in wrath classic. But then you showcase moments later at 12:55 that somebody bought an item in classic vanilla for 198k Gold, and further speculate that Shadowmourne will be sold for millions of gold too. People are spending gold on the single most important thing, Gear. You can buy player power, the single best thing you could possibly spend gold on. Now it's even easier to RMT, because it's from blizzard directly. Implementing the wow token in wow classic is purely so blizzard can cash in on it too.
I played since vanilla there's always been rmt and boosting. Not everyone was 12 when they started playing. Gdkps have also been around since vanilla it's nothing new the token just makes blizzard money instead of some Chinese gold farmers.
GDKPs and players are to the blame here. I don't even mind the token and if there were no GDKPs 99% of players wouldnt even have where to spend this gold.
WillE what would we do without you. Always help us get prepared for the new phase and give us good insight on anything going on with the game. Keep up the good work mate!
What I hate most about the WoW token is that it is a solution to a "problem" blizzard created. They let the bots and gold buying get out of hand. Their solution was to let it get out of hand so they can cash in later. Everyone who actually plays wrath classic knows how easy it is to spot bots/gold farmers, and there is no excuse for why they have been dealt with so inadequately for no reason other than it costs more money to manage them than to let them roam free. Do not forget bots pay $15/account/month as well, so blizzard stands to gain monetarily when there are bots. And to drop it out of nowhere is also scummy, because they knew if they announced it people would be able to backlash before its implementation. Playing classic in 2023 as a "no changes" purist is like being stuck in an abusive relationship, where I want to play the content but update after update get beaten down with BS. Once I finish my time in classic (be it unsubbing now or shortly after killing lich king in icc) you best believe I will never send blizzard another cent for their games.
It's not even a solution, it's a purposeful exacerbation. They don't care, they never did, they just want as much of your money for as little effort as possible. Even ripping you off with 15 bucks a month for a game that required virtually nothing on their part was not enough for them.
20 bucks for 9k gold is pretty decent. Worth more than the 3rd party sellers. Who, on some servers, sell 1k for 1$ which doesnt even seem worth to bot for, lol.
Unless blizzard outright bans GDKP, I'm not returning to classic (Might do if MOP classic becomes a thing). GDKP were/are more than likely the biggest reason, by a wide margin, why Classic wow was/still is absolutely and completely infested with bots, playing Classic wow honestly feels like playing on one of those private servers, that used bots to inflate their player numbers, on the private server search engines, that existed back in the day. Ban GDKP, is a sure fire way to get rid of most of the bots.
I’m in a guild I’ve been with since Classic Vanilla. Not too much impact on someone in a successful raiding guild except the potential inflation of prices on my server…
yea man thinks is just ppl being way too into the shit, i have never had an issue with this stuff, mainly because i dont let it bother me, i enjoy the game the way it is, because i cannot change the game
You don't need too much extra gold to play WotLK, but more gold can definitely help. I play the AH a lot. In these 2 days, BOE items' sell rate went up by a lot, and the price went up too. Combined with the fact that token gold price has been dropping, I believe a lot of people have bought gold through wow token. Blizzard just manually created a demand of buying gold out of no where. More people having a ton of gold means nobody will go farm mats, so the mats' price will sky rocket, so will the finished products. Wait to see potion cost 1000g each. This is gonna be fun.
RMT has been in the game forever. Iirc asmongold even has a video where he talks about his mom selling wow gold in TBC to pay bills when they were falling behind’s
@@Epidombe That's a lie though, he is exaggerating, his mom hit lvl "60" in late 2007 1000gold was 22Euro and in 2007 that was "17$", I have old printscreen from Arena raiting with the chat picking up on gold sellers from season 2 and 3 in TBC, there was huge competition and selling gold for money was not profitible for anyone if they did not bot, however selling leveling service 1-70 you could make 140 Euro and that was profitible.
@@Epidombe RMT was no where NEAR this level back in the day. It was rare to find and socialize with people who did RMT but now, the majority of guilds RMT because it's needed to get any sort of loot in GDKPs. Back in the day blizzard actually hired GM's who monitored the game and banned people when they broke the TOS. Not anymore.
They banned level boosting, but not item level boosting. Strange I wonder why they did that? Oh so they could sell character boosts? And they won't ban GDKP because now Blizzard can be the one all the GDKP folks are buying gold from instead of gold selling websites.
There was a very small chance i would have tried cata, mostly because of my guild but now with the token active classic is over, i am not even sure if i want to stay till after ICC (for my guild). Sad
Same for me. I wasn't even sure during TBC if I wanted to play WOTLK given the many negative changes to my main class and spec, but I decided to do so for my guild, with a different spec. Throughout WOTLK I have been fluctuating between more or less likely than not whether I will continue past WOTLK even for my guild. This is certainly not Classic anymore, and that's why I returned to WoW in the first place, after having abandoned Retail for over 10 years now. It really saddens me that Blizzard did not take the whole Classic saga as an opportunity to reinvent WoW and attempt to go a different route. They are doing the same things over again, and the game will end up at the same place.
@@holysecret2 This is EXACTLY how I feel. To me it is not even about the wow token. It is about the wow token, AND the level boosts, AND H+, AND no lfd, AND sidereal essence, AND etc etc etc. This is not the same game we played and 2019, and I am having serious doubts about even doing ICC at this point.
This is another reason why hardcore is so goood. No one can buy a level 60, and even if they bought an account or something they can still die. The ultimate flex is something you actually have to earn all in game with skill and strategy.
im glad i experienced wotlk back in the days, too many changes, too many botters and this token shit is one of the reason why many ppl felt nostalgic for old versions of wow, i quit during tbc and looking forward to try epoch servers which are an classic+ attempt of vanilla wow and so far the devs look very dedicated
So you quit before wotlk because of all the changes ppl wanted to happen? Wotlk had bots had gold sellers/buyers had gdkp and paid carries. You're looking at the game through nostalgia goggles.
@@vaylox09 The original Wrath had no where near the amount of GDKPs and RMT's because back then blizzard actually gave a damn about their game and banned things accordingly. Continue enjoying being a bootlicking sheep for blizzard though.
@@vaylox09 the scale and sheer numbers during each of these period is incomparable, and wotlk wasnt the best expansion for me during original wotlk aswell, i dont like heroic 10/25 man content, i didnt like how many dailies were in wotlk (especially starting from argent tournament), i didnt enjoy achievements and many other things, despite all of that, its much better than from it is now
I bought a few wow tokens with gold waiting for classic to be launched it was around 105k-120k roughly in the month leading up to classic's launch, this was NA.
The token was 11k in WoD and is now 240k in DF. Far more people buy the token with cash for in game gold to buy easy runs, gear and achieves. Blizz simply gives the gold and takes the cash. The amount of gold injected into retail compared to what is taken out is double, hence the hyperinflation. Now that it is in wotlk, if they do this it will be obvious.
RMT and GDKP have been common in Wrath Classic for ages. Adding the token just changes who gets the money, and removes the possibility of getting banned. That's not to say it won't change things at all though, I'm sure it will have a noticeable impact on the economy, but it's more like an incremental change to something that already existed for a long time, rather than the introduction of something completely new. The real problem is Blizzard not banning bots. If you buy gold from a real player, then you're trading your money for their time. If you buy gold from a bot, then there's nothing real on the other end of that transaction (other than the sub cost for the bot's account). Inflation is inevitable as there is an infinite amount of gold in the game, but that inflation is slowed down, to the point where it's barely a problem, by the combination of: a) the amount of time required to farm gold; b) gold sinks. Bots remove that first factor entirely, which will increase the rate of inflation significantly. (The second factor is also a problem in the design of Wrath itself, as gold sinks are relatively much lesser compared to vanilla.)
I don’t agree. Because that’s not how economy works. You don’t just produce gold if you want to make money in wow. You want them golds to be circulating. The faster the gold move thru the wow economy, the more value it creates for sellers. Here’s a hypothetical business: At classic launch, I will let the word out and even organize a group of people, telling them I will buy however much gold from them at a high price. And I will sell them with a markup. Because it’s at launch, there’s not much gold and even less consumption. I be profiting, but not by much. But if I tell some of my farmer to sell boost, it’s different. Same amount of gold, same amount of profit margin, just because golds are circulating, i make more money. I think you know where it’s going. Besides stockpiling valuable commodities in game, price manipulation in AH to create demand for gold, gdkp is my next move. Because gold production is only going up, but player expanses will plateau at some point. That’s not a pretty forecast. Remember I am in it to make real money, not in game gold. So I don’t want the demand to dwindle. Circulation! Circulation! Circulation! With enough gold on hand, I’ll take real money orders for specific items. When it drops, I’ll spend some unnecessarily ridiculous amount in a gdkp to get it for my client. One, I fulfill my clients order. Second, I jack up the price, when the words spread out. Third, creates a gdkp culture - “Dude you know how much I made in that run with that guy?” Everybody loves gdkp now, there’s gold and there’s gears. Everybody comes. Now what happens if new patch comes and everyone want upgrades? And what happens if new players come and they have no gold? That’s just an hypothetical. Bots? I didn’t even get to the bots and economy is already destroyed for normal people. If anything, at this point bots might even help out these poor people to keep the price low on some of the stuffs.
@@Telopead Sorry but your comment is hard to follow. You gave several different hypotheticals with different contexts. Your view is that bots are not the main cause of gold inflation? Why, and what IS the main cause?
@@Hemlocker sorry, bad English from me. What I said above, is to explain how I would set up a business making money off of wow. And how I ruin wow economy for normal player even without using bot. My main point is that, I want to create an ecosystem where people have ways to spend their golds. And I want them to feel that they could always use more gold. I in the grand scheme of things, am just a “buy low sell high” wholesaler. I don’t have to farm gold myself, at all. For wrath especially, there’s enough gold in circulation, gold production doesn’t really matter to me and my business.
I'm curious to see were Classic will end up. Cata? MoP? Even WoD? Will they leave era servers for the most beloved expansions such us WotLK? Will they have the balls to create new content and create different routes?
Or they could have just scaled every expansion so it's max level and always viable. Just leave the newest stuff with bonus rewards/slightly higher Ilevel for gear so people are incentivized to do it instead.
To be fair WOTLK is not really 'Classic WOW' anymore. Wrath was the pretty much the start of the transition to retail. I think this is why Wrath has been surprisingly unpopular and people have been paying more attention to Vanilla again. So I do not think the Token really matters.....
Wrath was fun by the end, with dungeon finder and lots of raids to run. When all you had is Nax for months then Ulduar kicks everyone's butts, it makes people want to go back to a final patch Classic with loads of content.
@@cattysplat *Wrath was fun by the end* Oh boy, you didnt play original wrath did you? Because nobody liked that garbage. You had 4 raids, 3 where complete useless face rolls, the last one was a face roll but had the gear, other than that the best thing you could do was afk in dalaran. Wrath was trash and always will be
What would happen if they also added a % auctionhouse tax on the token? I am talking 10% of the gold disappearing in to the void each time a token is bougth. Every time a 8000 gold token is created 800 gold is removed from the marked. And how would a 20, 30 or even 50% impact the economy?
Though its not perfect, myself and im sure many others bought a wow token and immediately bought a travelers tundra. Im assuming that in and of itself took a large quantity of inflation out of the economy.
@@A3racada3ra ye, i can see that if gold is cheep, a gold farmer could make som bots to farm the small amount of gold required to gain a profit🤔 On the other side, what would the natrual response of players be if you could trade a small amount of gold for a month subscription? Would player gold farming in high maul increase?
often forgotten, TERA had chronoscholls from prior to it going f2p back in 2012 as well. And later (even prior to WoW's token) added in "Elite scrolls" which gave the membership perks
everyone was already RMT'ing for GDKP runs anyway, it was classic's biggest open secret since vanilla. i remember being a carry in GDKP back then for omega gold, can only imagine the culture stayed the same.
Gdkps are pay to win And the only reason why people need over 20k. I don't think the tokens going to change a single thing And the reality is this is Our faults too. Wen People saw People throwing obscene amounts of gold at items and didn't bat an eye 100k + Does anyone remember glaves going for 2mill in tbc ? And you're gonna say so inform that even if somebody farmed that let's say If they did you're going to tell me they're going to spend all that cold on one item ? Ya no. So I think it's stupid for people to get mad Oh it's bad when blizzard does it but it's completely okay when we do it And by it from third party websites ? Hmmmm Hypocritical Much just saying.
Part of the issue with this is blizzard *allowed* it to happen and get so out of hand. It is the classic "if everyone is speeding you can too" argument. Also GDKPs tend to be more subsidized by few whales rather than many active gold-buyers if I had to guess. Also by their nature GDKPs cause slow wealth distribution. 8 Ulduars of GDKP can lead to
I'm going to assume I misunderstood when I thought I heard "They're adding the wow token to get retail players to play cata classic because of the fact retail players want more cashshop items" However - I have been waiting years for the wow token to be added to classic, gold buying has already been a massive fuckin' issue for years and people act like the wow token is the worst thing ever - it's just the same reward for your real life money, but this reward ALSO cuts down on bots by a very large margin
I never bought a token in Retail. I never thought it was worth it. I had been thinking of resubbinh finally getting the Wrath Classic Paladin I started last summer up to 80 in the next few weeks. But I think I will pass.
How does the wow token affect you? Ppl already buy gold and those that don't won't buy the wow token? Don't join gdkp find a guild that actively does what you want to do.
@@vaylox09 Those are good suggestions. But I think I'll still go with my first instinct and just stay unsubscribed. Anything else and I feel like ABK might get the idea I approve of this.
@@vaylox09 it's better to just not play the official game, the players are gold buying toxic lazy bastards and Blizzard is trash at everything, their games are terrible and they are too greedy and lazy to moderate it because they know that the pigs that still play their games will eat their garbage, private servers have more quality and that says alot.
I mean... at this point after we run through Wrath what is the reason to not just play on a private server? Assuming there is Cata, or classic + or whatever they end up doing I feel like live servers don't offer much of anything that private servers don't. The quality of players is sadly WORSE on live (seriously how tf is the even possible?), and once the flakes drop off it's not like the population is much better.
The WoW token came into the game after everyone active player had gold cap through Garisson missions. It was intentional to inflate the amount of gold and then introduce the WoW Token so that newer players could "catch up". Same thing happened in WoW Classic. Bots inflate the amount of gold in the game, people have gold caps and Blizzard introduce the WoW token to capitalize on that inflation. BTW WOW Token DOESN'T FIX JACK. All of the gold selling sites are OUT OF GOLD right now, needing 8h-12h to complete anything above 20k gold transaction. The amount of RMT is actually higher right now than before the WoW Token and it was only been a day...
@@semiramisubw4864 the inflation was deliberetly made by Blizzard by giving gold cap to the dwindeling active members and when the old/returning/new players came back for Legion, they had no other option but to buy it. During WOD you would have 2-3 gold capped characters just by doing the daily garrison missions. The shipyard was giving 2 10k gold missions a day.
I was super suprised when i bought a token to level professions and still have 2/3rds of the gold after getting engineering maxed. never needed to buy the token..
I find it hard to get that worked up over it. I don't think the Wrath token was needed but this game is a time crunch for many people who quite simply have better things to do. The token will allow them to instead spend some of their hard earned money on the game they like instead of having to spend all their time on it instead. The outrage over this from some RU-vidrs is kind of funny because they either make a lot of money off making content about this game and/or get gold and items from their subscribers.
I don't have a problem with the WoW-Token in Wrath, i have a problem with their reasoning for putting in the Token, because instead of being honest and saying "We see an avenue to make more money while giving players a safe way to do what they want and are already doing" which, while i wouldn't be super happy about it, i could at least see the business logic and integrity of honesty, they instead tried to paint themselves as some stalwart defenders doing their outmost to combat botting but fighting a never ending war doing so, and the WoW-Token was a tool to help stabilize the servers, when this whole bot problem isn't solved by fighting the bots but rather by punishing the players HARSHLY.
They just take the crazed rationale of the Blizzard fanboys and co opt it so the Blizzard defense force can continue spreading their message confidently endorsed by Blizzard PR.
@@cattysplat It's sad but you're most likely correct - they made the statement not to give a reason for the WoW-Token but instead they did it so they can say they did it.
Good decision, everyone needs to quit to let Blizzard rot, maybe they will learn or they will just go a extra mile to milk the lasts drips from the whales that would rather die than wake up.
But seriously, how can they not completely screw up official Hardcore servers? They're a business owned by a company in the USA, there's literally no way for them to do it correctly, they have to break it.
Blizz wants the money. They don't want gold sellers or private servers to get the money. Because money. Don't like it? Don't buy it. If they don't make a profit, maybe they'll learn.
Back in the day I bought gold specifically to get low level PvP twink gear. If I was still into Classic, this is exactly what I would be doing...................... legally? Which is a weird thought.
@@Holylightt99 Give one good reason to play that official pay to win toxic garbage, I would play Turtle WoW or Warmanne any day of the week than eat Blizzard shit.
Yeah, I really don't think they will put wow tokens in Classic Vanilla wow, or even on the HC servers. But if they do, they will surely shoot themselves in the foot doing that. I am looking forward to try HC in the summer but the moment WoW Tokens is introduced into those servers I'm out.
Well it forces you to get one when raid consumables sky rocket in price example haste potions went from 40g a stack to 100g a stack and if your doing 10and 25 man as well as running alts it’s expensive over time
It means that even more people will just switch to private servers. With vanilla+ servers like Turtle WoW there is almost no reason to even play official classic servers anymore.
@@vaylox09 I quit official classic over a year and a half ago and I don't really care to ever return to it. I've zero interest in retail and there are vanilla+ servers with quadruple the population of official classic servers so I just don't see the point.
@@conorf8091 That's kind-of a good thing really, in my opinion. Played the official classic servers for a bit over a year and while the raiding scene was popular I tried three raids and realized they weren't for me. Too much time invested, wasted my Saturdays on the game instead of my family, and couldn't really get my $15 worth.
11:00 - so Blizzard admits that the game design of Wotlk should allow for the token. imo that means that the design has become too similar to retail - it's not for me. then again, I've put the game down after my main got full pre-raid Bis including Heroic+ dungeon lists. I then played about 2-3 weeks and the game got too repetitive. I guess I'm just done with Wow - Classic even
I really don’t see the big deal.. I don’t buy gold and I don’t even really think about gold anymore. Outside of freshly dinging 80 there’s not much to really spend gold on. Most of the GDKP that is going on currently is subsidized by RMT through third party sites. Might as well have a legit way to get it and cut down on bots/spam.
The big deal is twofold. One, this is CLASSIC wow, it was supposed to be the vanilla experience, and the two-facedness of the company has shown itself on several occasions since the end of classic. Two: the bots are NOT a problem for blizzard. They pay a sub per account, and blizzard has no stake in the day-to-day in-game operations. As long as bots are not making players quit, they stand only to gain. So they let the botting problem infest uncontrollably, and are now cashing in. So they created the problem for players and try and act as some ethical savior, when in reality they were screwing the players for profits the entire time.
@@Lazydino59 Then GDKP's should be banned. Didn't have them back in the day. So should most addons. And decent internet. And having more then 20 frames per second during raid encounters. Its not going to be the same no matter how hard you try. Its a remake, not a rerelease.
@@andromidius GDKPs are honestly the best way to pug any WoW content, illegal gold buying or not. Also GDKPs did exist back then, just in smaller number, they evolved not because everyone who does them buys gold (hint: most don't), but because it is the best way of handling loot. And I understand it won't be the "exact same" as in 2004-2010, but it was a rerelease, they even re-added spell batching to give the authentic vanilla experience. I want predictability and reliability, and to play WOTLK with as little changes as possible - and they have since thrown that concept out the window.
They weren't "prepared" when we wanted classic again, they damn near scoffed at the idea. This and faction changes make them money while destroying an idea they weren't rly on board with from the beginning.
One thing that is never really covered about the Token vs Bonds vs PLEX is how PLEX can be resold on the market in game. WoW tokens become a new item once bought on the market and the item purchased in the shop cannot be used for game time. This gives the PLEX of Eve Online a price that fluctuates in a way tied to global economic situations. While this means that an economic issue in one country results in a (in game) price spike as players from that area use their in game money to pay for time, it also means that the price feels more in the control of the players and real market factors. The WoW token just feels more like Blizzard saying: 'This is the price it is worth'
As someone who doesn’t play wow,but has raided in several mmos. You said you guys do a raid, then who ever pays the most get the drops???….what’s the point in raiding then lol?
