What WeakAuras are killing your WoW FPS? 

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Glad to see someone making videos like this again. True wow help is so few and far between.

Thank you. My boy Addongold never fails to come through with the addon secret tech

What a king! Thank you mate, I will be sure checking this. I usually dont lag but sometimes the FPS drops a bit and its frustrating

Hey that's my messages you screenshotted!! Look ma, I'm on TV!!!! I've been on a huge bender this last month or so hunting down all sorts of performance problems in all sorts of surprising places. This model bug is the biggest one, but also I fixed that weakauras was using several times as much memory in its codegen as it needed to, which contributed to some stuttering when a WA load. There was even a bug i found with the DynamicCam addon which caused it to scan your entire mount journal every time you were mounted and any player in earshot gained or lost any buff or debuff (think about that one encounter in dawnbreaker dungeon where you have to fly away 😅), that one was crashing my fps so hard i couldn't fly inside of dornogal! I'm really glad you posted this, afenar's aura pack uses model effects somewhat liberally and I know it's very popular.

Hey man don't mind the comments! Incredible video, thank you for informing the community of this. This is a very common issue that afects many players, myself included. Even having a mid tier PC, i wasnt expecting to have such a mediocre performance during certain fights/zones. I didn't really understood what a "Model" is or what it does, but I''m thankful to know that there can be an external cause to blame for the sometimes bad performance of the game.

Would probably rename the video to "why weakaura is killing your fps in WoW" or something, as the title you have now makes it seems like you are going to go over the in-game graphics options.

So I don’t even have WeakAuras downloaded. I use ElvUi. I however am having this same problem with my FPS tanking. So what is the play if you don’t even use / have WA downloaded and are still having this problem? Thanks.

If you feel a bit lazy, you could run a small snippet like this directly into your chat and it should spit out any WeakAuras you have installed that use models: */run local function _(a)if a.regionType=="model"then return 1 end for i,s in pairs(a.subRegions or{})do if s.type=="submodel"then return 1 end end end for n,a in pairs(WeakAurasSaved.displays)do if _(a)then print(n)end end*

Your delivery and teaching skills are really good. What a good and useful video, appreciate it alot.

What should I do if Im lagging on a 5600 & 6750xt? I want to mention I use 0 addons at the moment. Change cpu to 5800x3d because my 5600 cant handle cpu bound Dornogol? Also, I’ll use your settings today. From that video where you explain I shouldnt use max background / foreground fps if my amd is using freesync. My display is also a 1440p lg ultragear that has gsync on it (freesync compatible) and I had all 3 fps settings set to 200 😂

Isn't the primary purpose of weakauras is to show you information in model form?? I have a pretty good computer and my FPS drops bad in 30 man raids. Was wondering if DBM may affect FPS???

thanks a lot for the research and video, it really helped increase my fps, just for the research I am using as well 5800x3d. Also by any chance would plater also affect?

I have a question regarding overclocked cpus. I have recently upgraded my ryzen 5700X to an overclocked 5700X3d version. My GPU is the AMD Radeon 6700XT. In raid when there are 25+ people my FPS drop to the dirt from like 140 to 20-35 FPS at best regardless if I'm using the standard blizzard UI or ElvUI. Is the overclocking affecting wow negatively in your opinion? I don't know what to do since my setup is not old and still have this FPS issues in raid. Any tip would be appreciated.

I'm saying "Model" . Funny story to this. I was always pronouncing it "mod el" like you would any time you read word with model airplane or 3d model etc. But people kept correcting me saying "it's not same word. it's mode el here" so in video I changed pronunciation to "mode el" but maybe most of world was reading it mod el too :D I still don't know what context is correct for THIS usage of word to be honest but I should have just stuck with "mod el" since most (like me) just have always read/understood it that way. :D

Im subscribing to this man for this, you just saved me 40 in-combat fps, and im super thankful!🙏🏻

bro looks like Connor McDavid and Asmongold had a love child, insane, I love it

What model Weakaura is everyone running on brood? Because none of my weakauras run it, and it drops to 30-35fps on heavy aoe in mythic, i've found lossless scaling to help with this, but i don't think any of the weakaurs already run model feature for this boss, which means the issue is still the 20+year old engine.

How do you run that script? I tried putting it in a WoW macro and also importing into Weakauras and both failed.

Does this model issue exclusive to WA? Or does it effect other addon's as well? Also I've been getting a lot of random disconnects since the start of TWW sometimes the game will have massive input lag before rubber banding & other times it will just random boot me out & with the generic wow error code & i have to hit the reconnect button & log back into my character.

hmmm..... i dont use weak auras. only addons i have running consistantly is tomtom and healbot (and even healbot is "disabled" on most my characters since most arent healers).. either of them is causing model issues?

Randomly popped in my YT feed and saved me 140 fps Thx man for real

You earned a sub, i went into TWW with ElvUI and some WAs, i had 45 fps in dungeons, it was driving me crazy, i tried everything, then i got rid of ElvUI and i am back to 120 fps, but i get stutters in some dungeons or fights, i think its the models, i was using one with it so i deleted it. I think something similar was being run with ElvUI, its insane that that interface overhaul halved my FPS, so i presume it had similar elements that the game was not in conflict with just like the models.

Yes, I have had this problem!! I have a nice computer but was worried I would have to get a new one. Thank you this is so helpful

Thank you for bringing attention to this bug and also for your amazing work with dbm. Hope you are doing alright despite the hurricane situation.

Could this be related to ElvUI's fps drop? Do we know if they use models in their code?

Holy crap this explains so much! Thank you, I was concerned this issue came from a GPU I got recently. Can only pray Blizzard listens to the feedback

Im so glad that this video isn’t just another of those “turn your graphics down” to fix the fps video. Lol very informative thx Asmongold!

Thanks a lot - this is very nice i'll share it to raiders We need to spread the idea that until models are fixed (if they ever will be), people who makes weakauras should avoid making models

Thanks for the video, will definitely have to check my WA’s tomorrow. Liked and subscribed! Cheers!

Good lord, thank you for this. My pc is no slouch but, in raid, especially in larger groups, id go from 250fps to many seconds per frame.

Thanks for helping with the visibility of this issue Omegal

If you want a visual representation then is there a way around this? e.g. i want my spells to show up and such. I've noticed it occurs for icons too not as bad but it still happens....

geez finally, thanks for your work! im running 30 fps in raid on a 7800x3d and it's driving me nuts. i hope they can fix it fast

I've just tried putting the /run command nothing is happening while next to that I asked to 5 friends trying it and for them, a window is popping saying you are gonna run a script .... and need to accept. Any help please ?

is your glove in your right hand a medical thing ? ( if so can you share details ) or just something you like ?

Hey do you happen to know if the the model being checked to show makes a difference or not?

went rfom 30-50 fps in busy dornogal to 70 fps cuz of this! thank you sir

Awesome to see a fellow mac gamer, and nice find on the bug. But your machine is running into really high temps 93C at 7:18 that could also be causing performance issues as your machine will throttle at these levels.

Do you know what would cause massive lag during Silken Court when Takazj uses Shatter Existence? that phase is always unplayable for me.

Did heroic earlier and on the first pull, my PC about died for like 4 seconds. This not normally! Afenar definitely getting in my guts with his WA pack.

Does exist some addon that will manage which addons will run in dungeon, in open world or raid enviroment? for example when i have normal graphic settings for open world and m+, and then separate for raid, i want only few addons to run in raid automatically ?

The Asmon bullying is wild, this video is insane value, subbed! you taking it really well though haha (the trolling)

Do Icons/Progress bars/Prog textures/Text etc… count as models in this context? Or are we specifically taking 3D model auras? But even in palace with no addons go test FPS. This is a great and intelligent video on the issue though. TY for the vid though, glad people are bringing the game’s performance up.

Are addons like Masque or something like Clean Icons also affected? (textures =/ models I guess, but still curious...)

If the "models" are causing a problem with WeakAuras, they must the causing problems in other addons too. I'm not exactly sure what those "models" are from the engine point of view but one thing immediately came to mind: player/target portraits in unit frame addons (like Shadowed Unit Frames).

GJ man! keep the good work. I recently change my pc and game on raids running like dog shit. part of it were old addons. I am glad the problem has been issued my blizzard, since wow is only game I know where you bought a fresh pc and it still doesnt not work as intended. I probablu could lunch Wukong no maximum setup and it should run smoothly.

Thank you Asmonfromwish really important topic! thank you for highlighting it!

Does that wa needed to be loaded for the script to detect it?

THANK YOU DUDE ! I WAS BECOMING CRAZY

Are you running wow on a VM via a macOS device?

big thanks dude. went from around 30ish fps to 70fps in raid!

Does plater use models also?

Interesting find, didn't do much for be, but good to know! Funny that you mention that the problem comes more from Blizzard's side, I can totally see that being the case. If you play epic bgs like Ashran nowadays, you see how BAD the performance is. My PC is damn old now, but the hardware (with less Ram and worse gpu) ran Ashran pretty good/ok in WoD, but now it's a pixel show. The environment and graphics of the bg did not change at all from WoD to now, yet there is an extreme hit in fps and performance there. I assume it is mostly because of newer spell/character models and partly because of nameplates. But what we could assume from Blizz nowadays, they test stuff with 0 addons and say it's fine. lol 🤷‍♂

I have a 1050(laptop) and play at 30 fps normal content and 15-20 group content, any fix for that? beside the obvious one of course 😜

I encountered a similar problem in DF, when my pala WA used fx models for holy power. But I think, that is not the only problem. When I using a lowers render scale (any other than 100%, for example 98%) with FidelityFX filter for better final rendering, the game is also being lagging if any of model are renders in UI layer: WA, overlay characters on frames, character screen, etc... Also, modern water shader with full reflection also being lagging, lol. So, the way for me in this case - set render scale to 100% or turn off any models in UI and set the lowest preset for water. I distinctly remember how the WOTLK version started to slow down in the middle of the expansion after the release of the next content patch and the update of the game engine, so this problem are common for all wow versions right now.

Is it worth it to fix the WAs or is it a simple fix for blizz to make models not break stuff?

Does it "works" only for WAs or possible for some addons too?

My man, earned a sub from me with this video.

how is it possible that im getting literally 20 fps in dornogal with, or without all addons. i got a 4080 and a ryzen 7. Its okay when im out of combat in raids. but as soon as boss is pulled i drop to

here the big fps drop is when parasites spawns on ovinax, maybe platter has something like that

Having these issues without weakauras though. Maybe other addon issues?

This game should run on a calculator at 60 fps idk how they managed to fck it up this bad

Can the script be edited to only list those that are loaded?

do you maybe know some lightweight alternative to Details?

this started late in dragonflight, after one of the patches i had absolutely garbage fps and it's because my rage bar was using a model to make it animated. I purged all the models from my auras and boom, fps returned.

Can you plz explain what a moadal is ? Didn't see in my settings

Could plater also be causing this? Thanks for the warning, checking mine now

so if you don't use WA you good ?

evil asmongold be like: let me help you enjoy wow

Bro wtf. I was having this issue and YT popped it up on my recommended... All praise the YT algorithm

Is there a way to see which auras are using these models?

I knew Weakaura was doing all this FPS problem, also the long loading screens. The only fix i've found was to remove some WA's but it's not always enough because i''m heavily dependent on them. The other day i tried to do a LFR raid, and i was at 8fps the whole time... kinda crazy knowing i got a Ryzen 12cores and a RX6750XT that should be able to give way more fps...

Great video thanks!

What if you don't use WAs but still having issues/lags?

dude incredible subbed holy hell thank you so much just a godsend im out of words LOL

That's really strange. I added a bunch of models for testing, but it didn't affect the FPS in my game like yours at all. I have a 4070 and an Intel Core i5-11400F, but the maximum FPS I can achieve in this game is between 80-100. 30-50 on Dornagal. none of my weakauras have those models btw

What os are you using?

this is huge, thank you for this video

very helpfull... thanks mate cheers

brother how can i get intouch with you i got some questions, hit me up

does this work with classic wow also?

My WoW crashes saying Out of Memory. There are some leaks too it seems. Don't know if it's fixed yet, haven't really played.

thank you asmonsilver for the guide

Allthough this is some nice info for people unaware, the script is kinda missleading. Many weakauras have models assigned to them. This doesnt however mean they are enabled, which this script doesnt check.

so none of my weak auras have models, but i still lose 30fps by having them on lol

A bad weak aura can ruin everything. Me, personally, didn't have issue like that. Even with a high end PC I would be hitting 15 fps during raid pulls. What I've found out is that Details is using all of yours resources during such situations. For me, increasing the interval speed to 2 made me not have any FPS issues in any situation.

It seems the weakauras package we're using for raid (we got method & northern sky) don't use models However i remember clearly losing fps on Heroic week on Ovinax - And during Ptr it was an absolute nightmare I wonder if it was something else or if it was Models weakauras as well doing that (could be just nameplates) Would love to see people check Platers as well - i feel like nameplates and plater cause fps drops as well

Hello, thank you for the good video. I didn't understand the video content because I wasn't familiar with English. That's why I'm asking. Why do you use this weakaura? Is it for running this weakaura to decrease the fps and increase the fps if not used? I'm not sure what this means.

Thanks for the video Asmonsilver

I don't know if it's related, but I noticed that the addon "LoseControl" is a big culprit of FPS loss.

More important, are you playing WoW on a Mac?

ty so much asmonbronze, i was getting crazy i thought it was time to get a new gpu

with all these WA bosses what's the fix then ?

but i need my CD WAs to track everything otherwise i have such a hard time to keep track of cds and procs. i will just play at 40fps until blizzard fixes this

What the hell is a módle?

This is definitely something that plagued me in DF (idk exactly when, but it triggered sometime during that). And it hits in such strange places. Alterac Valley? No issues. Southshore vs Tarren Mill brawl? absolutely tanks. Not sure if these are related to the WeakAuras still but man... Can't wait to go through my stupid amount of WAs and find the show models and see if this helps.

who is eggtender? how did we get this name wrong so many times? However, thanks for the info I let my guild know. Keep it up sir.

New Asmongold has surfaced. Brace yourselves.

What about something like shadowed unit frames? Because it utilizes models itself in terms of mana and cast bars, would that tank frames too? Anyone know?