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What weapons and calibers are best for home defense? 

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I've been wanting to do this one for a while. I've heard lots of fudd lore about certain calibers not penetrating drywall and I really wanted to see how calibers actually performed. In today's video we put all the weapons and myths to the ultimate test.
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@Incredibad5
@Incredibad5 Год назад
It would be interesting to see this same test with ballistic dummies in front of the drywall or behind it to see how the penetration is altered after impact on tissue.
@Nukem962001
@Nukem962001 Год назад
This!!!
@HollowPoint20
@HollowPoint20 Год назад
Interesting idea! I’d like to see that.
@xxxlonewolf49
@xxxlonewolf49 Год назад
Better than cardboard, just more costly
@RighteousJ
@RighteousJ Год назад
I was honestly expecting to see this given the effort they put into building all those false walls. To go even further with this, in an actual scenario, there is also the potential for fiberglass insulation being present inside the walls for various reasons, which - due to its inherently inconsistent density - adds an additional factor to the physics of ballistic behavior. Granted, this mainly applies to commercial/educational environments and not residential due to the insulation serving as a passive soundproofing measure more than anything else, but statistically speaking, it's a far more common scenario one would encounter. Citation: I'm a construction worker and I often wonder about this very concept on the job. Edit: regarding commercial/educational environments specifically, the studs used in the walls are made of sheet metal and not wood. In these cases, the studs will not, in fact, stop movement of a projectile in the same way wood does.
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla Год назад
Paul Harrell has an entire video where he did something like that, albeit with his “Meat Target” to simulate a person.
@Drillz007
@Drillz007 Год назад
This is why the mounted cannon at the top of the stairs makes so much sense your shooting on a downward angle into an area of limited movement simply tactical genius
@bw73
@bw73 Год назад
Mounted machine gun with a cannon attachment. Double tap go brrrr
@Agent4077
@Agent4077 Год назад
loaded with grape shot
@KorporalNoobs
@KorporalNoobs Год назад
I just keep my tank in the backyard with the barrel in the living room. The muzzle break covers kitchen and floor, which is very convenient.
@Jingu.S
@Jingu.S Год назад
Just as the founding fathers intended.
@eminesdh
@eminesdh Год назад
yeah like a bofors 40mm
@BababooeyYcho66T
@BababooeyYcho66T Год назад
As someone who plans to live in an underground bunker with 12 foot thick steel outer walls and 6 foot thick inner concrete walls, this is extremely helpful. Thank you Garand Thumb!
@bretterful
@bretterful Год назад
Lmfao
@eschenn1
@eschenn1 Год назад
A garden hose defeats your bunker ha
@DaDaDo661
@DaDaDo661 Год назад
Gonna fart in your ventilation system
@guytech7310
@guytech7310 Год назад
Lets test Artillery rounds and Bunker busters just to be safe! You never know when the neighbor next door is sporting a m777 in their backyard!
@ItsMeeJon
@ItsMeeJon Год назад
12 foot thick steel? Good luck with that
@cbigg81
@cbigg81 Год назад
When we played around with this we were using our carry ammo in our duty weapons. We learned there was a big difference between interior and exterior walls (and how many walls) due to the insulation and siding. Many rounds made it outside but were deflected and key-holing. Really what we learned was don't miss the intended target so you don't kill the neighbor's dog.
@thomasfarrish8053
@thomasfarrish8053 Год назад
Unless you're ATF, in which case that was the intent.
@MTMILITIAMAN7.62
@MTMILITIAMAN7.62 Год назад
@RawBot Worst advise ever. The whole over penetration argument was created by ammo companies to sell ammo to dipshits. The only reason you are concerned about over penetration is because you intend to violate multiple firearm safety rules and placate these concerns by compromising terminal effect, ironically in the name of safety. If you abide by firearm safety rules; know your target and beyond, never point a weapon at something you do not intend to destroy, then any reasonable level of penetration is acceptable in a defensive firearm, which is good because any projectile with enough ass to adequately penetrate is going to go through quite a few interior walls. As we have seen in this video, drywall sucks at stopping bullets. If the ability to be stopped by drywall is your primary concern when selecting a self defense round, you're wrong. Quite simply, if you can't use ammunition that adequately penetrates, you don't need a firearm, you need pepper spray and a rape whistle. There is no level of penetration that is acceptable to be shooting towards occupied domiciles and innocent third parties.
@Bestgameplayer10
@Bestgameplayer10 Год назад
@RawBot I don’t get why people act like Birdshot would do nothing.
@matrix3509
@matrix3509 Год назад
@@Bestgameplayer10 Because a crackhead or someone out of their minds on meth don't actually give a shit about being hit with birdshot.
@717UT
@717UT Год назад
The primary difference would be exterior walls have OSB sheathing with possibly quite sturdy siding (other than something like vinyl).
@themechanik8767
@themechanik8767 Год назад
Here in Germany our walls are made of concrete and the easyest weapon to get is a flintlock, so would be interesting to see how that goes.
@scabcrawler632
@scabcrawler632 Год назад
Dig my sig p6 German
@derkonig162
@derkonig162 Год назад
well your concrete walls dont protect you from being rap.ed by arabs and africans.
@bendover6987
@bendover6987 Год назад
Dont worry Nato will protect you
@dingus6317
@dingus6317 Год назад
@@bendover6987 I think France and Germany should unify
@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168
@mohammadnashitsiddiqui2168 Год назад
​@@dingus6317 they did that for a while, didn't go so well
@Adam-rs4en
@Adam-rs4en Год назад
Paul Harrell did a great test and landed on #4 buck shot as being both exceedingly effective on soft targets and very low in wall penetration.
@Melj945
@Melj945 Год назад
Shut up boomer 😂
@offcourseoverland
@offcourseoverland Год назад
Paul has a great method of showing real world effects with nothing but flannel, oranges and pork ribs 😆
@entropy11
@entropy11 Год назад
That's good because #4 is the minimum recommended for achieving enough penetration in badguys for effectiveness. Personally I like #1. 00 Buck is, imo, suitable for military and outdoor activities but not so much for home defense.
@swindle9695
@swindle9695 Год назад
@@offcourseoverland Man, I would love to go to a Paul Harrel cookout. Tangy orange barbeque pork ribs (don't mind the bits of lead in them.)
@gratefulguy4130
@gratefulguy4130 Год назад
​@@offcourseoverland those materials are actually superior to ballistics gel if you really want to see what would happen.
@DutchTraveler
@DutchTraveler Год назад
When I did construction, one of the jobs I did was installing bulletproof “plywood”. There are 8 or 9 levels, and we were installing level 1, which is rated to stop 9mm from what we were told. I’d like to see Garand Thumb get a hold on the different levels and test them. It won’t be cheap, unfortunately.
@Finman78
@Finman78 Год назад
Bulletproof plywood? Any idea what it’s called?
@WojciechP915
@WojciechP915 Год назад
@@Finman78He is making up words. You can however buy 4x8 1/2 thick sheets of fiberglass which will stop pistol calibers.
@xtelevisionset
@xtelevisionset Год назад
Just line your walls with bookshelves
@jmoneyman8218
@jmoneyman8218 Год назад
@@Finman78 probably bullet proof wood
@vitogriffin8902
@vitogriffin8902 Год назад
​@@Finman78 there's several different products... plywood (beech), plywood (birch) with kevlar or carbon fiber, fiberglass and some other crap.. google would be your friend on this one because there's several different types made in different places so availability is limited on some.
@oneonlyxram
@oneonlyxram Год назад
I know this is mostly internal walls, but, it would be interesting to see how they handle exterior walls with insulation and maybe an external stucco wall.
@goud2488
@goud2488 Год назад
Drive by scenario
@oneonlyxram
@oneonlyxram Год назад
@goud2488 that or, shooting at someone inside and penetrating through the exterior wall.
@adventureswithbobbles6489
@adventureswithbobbles6489 Год назад
Actually I was thinking the same thing here. When someone is breaking into the house. Yes we do have internal walls. But eventually it’s going to hit a external wall with insulation, some kind of siding on the outside! I was hoping to see the debate with a ar15 be debunked with internal walls only. However this test was inefficient with home protection!
@thomastaylor5239
@thomastaylor5239 Год назад
Interior walls, internal walls are in the chest cavity
@oneonlyxram
@oneonlyxram Год назад
@@thomastaylor5239 huh?
@libertarian1637
@libertarian1637 Год назад
FBI did a similar test years ago; they found .223 along with #4 Buckshot being the best rounds for lethality with limited over-penetration. The worst rounds were shotgun slugs, 00 Buckshot, and quite a few handgun rounds. This is a big reason to actually make a defensive plan with regard to your home defense, to include knowing where your family is, and what avenues you can safely shoot in. As a LEO we also have done a few independent tests with different ammunition and it can be somewhat surprising just how far things can go and just what some items can stop; I still recall just how well some soda/water vending machines are at providing excellent cover.
@raisagorbachov
@raisagorbachov Год назад
Bookshelves are excellent cover too.
@xostler
@xostler Год назад
Has Papa Thumb done a cover and concealment video? I’d love to see training for urban cover and how different objects and surfaces do
@patterisepi
@patterisepi Год назад
What a piece of sh** country to live in when you have to think things like that.
@pineychristian
@pineychristian Год назад
I highly doubt .223 would be considered a good round to not over penetrate through a standing drywall wall. I personally shot junk cars from 100 yards with 55gr .223 they go through the car. Meaning I shot pass door and comes out drivers door from a 100 yards. Keep in mind it also went through the interior door panels. Sheet rock is nothing for a round that goes over 3000 fps ....
@--emt
@--emt Год назад
LEO lol😂
@grumpyoldretiredcop8382
@grumpyoldretiredcop8382 Год назад
Years ago, I worked on a test for an LE agency trying to determine what platform/round would be best for use in a historic courthouse. EVERY 9MM and 5.56 round tested did what you saw. Even frangibles like the Glaser Safety Slug (remember them?) penetrated several walls. Looks like nothing much has changed. Unfortunately, we couldn't play with things like the Garand, Magnum rifles and of course the .300 Blackout wasn't even a dream in AAC's eye, so those were interesting to see. Very fun to watch and very good demonstration - you guys rock with some great and creative content!
@robertsmith2956
@robertsmith2956 Год назад
I picked up a mobile home, and wanted to shoot the 50 through it long ways. But no way to contain for every ricochet possibility.
@johnnemo6509
@johnnemo6509 Год назад
@@robertsmith2956 attempted joke alert "I picked up a mobile home" Damn! You're strong! You don't need a gun to defend yourself. BTW shooting through a mobile home is very dangerous, there is a very good chance you'll hit a meth lab Boom!
@PavewayJDAM
@PavewayJDAM Год назад
Back in the day I did a similar demonstration to finally get admin to authorize patrol rifles to supplement shotguns. The over penetration concern of rifles died off when the 40 pistols performed even better in going through all walls.
@nathantroyer6956
@nathantroyer6956 Год назад
Would love to see this with insulation, vinyl siding. And brick walls. A "neighbors safety test"
@TheAnnoyingBoss
@TheAnnoyingBoss Год назад
With the distance between the average suburban home inbetween. Its complicated man. The only way to get a real test os to test in a real neighborhood because in my neighborhood there isnt hoa making evrtyone build the same so spots are all build different and soke dont look like the others and are built with different materials. This is a wall and we have to remember there is things lock block wall, wood fenses, plastic fenses. Some people frame with wood some framed aluminum. I think this video is more applkcable to a situation like an apartment complex where if an m1 garand goes off in a bedroom it might go through 5 bedrooms 😂 or out the back across into the back of another apartment complex. If its ww3 thats what you want to win we need guns that can shoot through walls. Sometimes you need a gun that will shoot through 4 people sometimes you dont want to penetrate fully through one person.
@wilhelmw9149
@wilhelmw9149 Год назад
Paul herrel(?) I can't remember how to spell his last name did this test and he had a exterior wall in his test if I remember correctly
@alfrede.newman1838
@alfrede.newman1838 Год назад
How about some form of Kevlar barrier layer added to an existing drywall?
@Razor773_YT
@Razor773_YT Год назад
Yeah I was thinking the same thing too. There are a lot of materials that go into houses, it would be interesting to see how they all interact with each other
@johnmerlino7133
@johnmerlino7133 Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-7VeqqNuQU_4.html
@StevenL00
@StevenL00 3 месяца назад
Volquartsen .22 (Ruger Mk IV equivalent) w/ JK Armament can 2:43 ONE layer of drywall 3:20 TWO layers of drywall S&W M&P 2.0 9mm 3:35 FMJ (went through TWO layers of drywall with a target between and after) 4:12 G9 External HP 80gr (same result) 4:35 Norma MHP 108gr (ditto) 4:50 MHP vs FOUR layers of drywall (all the way through) 1911 .45 5:33 FOUR layers of drywall Beretta 1301 12ga 5:49 Federal Flite Control 00 buck (clean through but one of the pellets was stopped by a stud in the 4th drywall) 6:58 sabot slug (didn't care lol) 5.56 SBR 7:23 M193 (travelling sideways after 2nd drywall and diverted out) 8:00 M193 #2 (sideways by the 4th drywall) 8:36 AAC V-Max, so (broke into 2 pieces, one stopped by 2nd drywall, the other stopped by the 3rd) 9:27 AAC 77gr OTM (sideways after 2nd drywall and stopped by 3rd) KUSA KR-103 7.62×39 10:01 FMJ (sideways after 3rd drywall and went clean through the 4th) Sig MCX LVAW .300 BLK 10:36 Subsonic 220gr (didn't say, don't see smoke after the 4th drywall so assuming it didn't go that far) .45-70 Government 10:56 clean through lol M1 Garand .30-06 11:24 ditto (sideways through the 4th drywall though) 11:52 Upham? H&K MR762A1 .308 Win 12:25 ditto AI .300 Win Mag 13:05 exited after 3rd drywall 13:15 tumbling after 2nd drywall and went clean through all 4 drywalls 13:40 Summary
@Jeffy2n
@Jeffy2n Год назад
This is a very helpful test here. If I can pass along a piece of advice I got from my local Sheriffs department training center (Yes, My county runs a training center for Civilians). They said that if your going to use a firearm inside your house, to go through that house and Identify any wall that could lead to a family members room, and on that wall hang pictures of your family (Or people) and on the wall that do not, hang pictures of scenery or flowers and such. This way in the middle of the night when (God forbid) you have to shoot at an intruder you can quickly know if that is a safe or not safe wall.
@PrinceOfTheCity1
@PrinceOfTheCity1 Год назад
That’s not a bad idea but you can also just use hollow tips and not worry about penetrating walls
@davidmorales7371
@davidmorales7371 Год назад
Sounds it's better to hang family pictures on walls that lead to family and nothing on walls that don't. Minimizes the amount of recognition/identification you need to do. Just turns into pictures=don't shoot and no pictures=shoot
@eddietonore2813
@eddietonore2813 Год назад
@@PrinceOfTheCity1 Did you Watch the video??
@christophermercer2632
@christophermercer2632 Год назад
@@PrinceOfTheCity1”hollow tips”
@eddietonore2813
@eddietonore2813 Год назад
@Narendra He’s commenting on a video that disproves his comment. 🤣🤣
@inskinov412
@inskinov412 Год назад
Private contractor here. Almost every renovation I've done has involved installing new drywall and I'm always thinking of how fragile American homes are, I appreciate this.
@TheOleOtter
@TheOleOtter Год назад
That's easy to fix though, just more expensive. I want to use 2x6 for my exterior and interior walls, and you can make the insides stronger with various materials just more expensive than the average person that doesn't have the fear of shooting through an apartment. Can't say houses because you have plywood, Siding, etc.
@inskinov412
@inskinov412 Год назад
@The Ole Otter Now I'm interested what the results would be with insulation, Plywood, and various exterior siding. To add to what you said, last year an entire lot of houses had the sidding ripped off from WA wind, New homes and materials used are inferior.
@kellymoses8566
@kellymoses8566 Год назад
US stick framing is as strong as it needs to be, and dry wall doesn't actually get damaged that often and is very easy to repair.
@inskinov412
@inskinov412 Год назад
@Kelly Moses Nowadays, it's all about how cheap, easy, and inexpensive. We can build these houses while making them as strong as they NEED to be.
@Jcaeser187
@Jcaeser187 Год назад
@@inskinov412 I hate how cheaply it all feels now. we only value ourselves on how much we produce and consume, its depressing having such an issue be reflected in everything, even my walls.
@bullheadedgideon1673
@bullheadedgideon1673 Год назад
These two are my favorite duo, absolutely hands down. I love the constant sarcasm and jokes while watching these kinds of videos. Great content, guys. Please keep it up.
@jeffsorrows
@jeffsorrows Год назад
"This is the AWP from counter strike!" In another life we would be soulmates!
@MrClearbox
@MrClearbox Год назад
Great test guys. My takeaway was that no rounds (including the 22) are really home defense safe if you don't have good discipline, muzzle and trigger control. Honestly, even the idea that you might hit the intruder and still be at great risk for tagging something or someone you don't want to was re-enforced by this video. As a responsible gun owner, I will keep training and keep learning so that if god forbid I'm faced with a decision - I make the right one to cause the least casualty possible.
@CarlosPEnis
@CarlosPEnis Год назад
Exactly. No round is "danger" proof. The best course of action is to know your house inside and out blindfolded (wall/door thickness and general layout, where your family is) so you can rely on recall in moments of high stress and the disorientation of being woken up in the middle of the night. Practice so you can act on instinct and have a gameplan. Or at least try. You don't know how things will go when stress kicks in but I think that's your biggest hurdle to overcome if your goal is to neutralize a threat within your home in the safest way possible
@101airborne07
@101airborne07 10 месяцев назад
Maybe speak to your family about in case of intruder, go to X place that way everyone is at the back of the house and the intruder is always in front of you. Of course not every situation is ideal but it helps if everyone has a plan before hand and knows where to be so in case ammo starts flying nobody is at risk of injury other than the intruder.
@TimAPearson
@TimAPearson Год назад
You guys are dominating the creative content in the gun scene right now!
@quitcallinmebill1699
@quitcallinmebill1699 Год назад
Actually Samuel hydek is. Check out his explosion
@tyler1776.
@tyler1776. Год назад
​@Quit callin me Bill who?
@jennataylor8250
@jennataylor8250 Год назад
DemoRanch already did something like this weeks ago
@MrAngenos
@MrAngenos Год назад
Yea right after Matt!
@SasquatchPNW
@SasquatchPNW Год назад
Paul Harrell did this 3 years ago as well.
@fell9654
@fell9654 Год назад
Everyone knew 2 things going in: the drywall would fail miserably, and the conversation would be hilarious
@terdferg
@terdferg Год назад
Ok so 9mm HP went right through.... Ok next up .308...
@Welterino
@Welterino Год назад
fun fact: all internal walls in Brazil are solid brick walls with a layer of concrete on both sides to smooth it out, so you can use even 7.62x51 for home defense, too bad you will go bankrupt just by firing a few rounds beucase they cost 5~6 USD per shot around here.
@ngcf4238
@ngcf4238 Год назад
You would also have to live in Brazil...
@soundslikesight7876
@soundslikesight7876 Год назад
CBC Ammo is such good Brazilian made stuff too. Is it all taxes?
@thejuggercat
@thejuggercat Год назад
Ive seen some homes have exposed bricks,which showed there being concrete inside the bricks too. So,depending on the house,you might as well say ".50 BMG no balls" lmao
@Butter_Warrior99
@Butter_Warrior99 Год назад
So every house is effectively a pill box. Neat.
@alyoshathedorkknight6110
@alyoshathedorkknight6110 Год назад
How are Brazilian gun laws btw ??
@RichardLukafire
@RichardLukafire Год назад
Recently bought a 20 gauge short form shotgun form our local gun shop. His recommended ammo to our surprise for home defense was birdshot . His reasoning was that you will be in close quarters, probably a few yards away and that you don't want projectiles going through walls and injuring unintended targets.
@brendanstreat8553
@brendanstreat8553 Год назад
that’s a good point, some people like putting birdshot and buckshot in the tube in a specific order
@andrewmorgan6074
@andrewmorgan6074 Год назад
Birdshot, buckshot, birdshot, buckshot, slugs for the last few, how ever many your shotgun can carry. Just know you target and what's behind it always.
@Lefty217
@Lefty217 Год назад
20Ga Birdshot will not kill a man.
@LongWalker730
@LongWalker730 Год назад
@@Lefty217 you're right, getting shot with birdshot within 10 yards is a fate worse than death.
@phillydelphia8760
@phillydelphia8760 Год назад
​@@Lefty217 would you wanna test that theory out by standing in front of a 20ga loaded with bird shot? Cus I sure as hell wouldn't 😆
@theletter850
@theletter850 Год назад
I personally keep a m203 with HE rounds and a flamethrower for home defense. But only if the roomba claymore doesn’t get them first.
@bmr7776
@bmr7776 Год назад
This comment had me dying 😂😂 the freaking Roomba claymore lmao
@danLTa1
@danLTa1 Год назад
​@@bmr7776is he serious bro? Isn't that overkill
@paulwilliams667
@paulwilliams667 Год назад
Claymores are a part of any reasonable home defense plan.
@F_lippy
@F_lippy Год назад
​@danLT if it was good enough to keep Charlie out it's good enough for me
@AggiePhil
@AggiePhil Год назад
Angles are important inside structures. If you’ve ever walked through a house under construction before drywall goes in, you know that most sight lines from room to room are obstructed by studs. I’d like to see this test repeated in an actual house or with the walls mocked up like actual walls (instead of all in a straight line). I think the chances of your bullets hitting studs are a lot better than this test suggests.
@bronsontolliver9027
@bronsontolliver9027 Год назад
I install showers in track built neighborhoods and I can confirm that a framed house with no drywall is a lot more opaque than people assume.
@RockyMountainWest13
@RockyMountainWest13 Год назад
Very true
@Scroolewse
@Scroolewse Год назад
It would be really hard to set up a perfectly realistic scenario.
@sirjolly81
@sirjolly81 Год назад
FPS Russia :P ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6pVDbc5BXlg.html
@the_craptain
@the_craptain Год назад
every time i stand in a hallway the view is obstructed by a stud
@dylandos
@dylandos Год назад
I ran into these dudes in the woods doing this years ago. They had built a whole bunch of walls and lined them all up. Then had purchased all these different brands and weights of 9 mill and were looking for which one penetrated the least. I want to say it was Gold Dot.
@vapidengage
@vapidengage Год назад
Would love to see different filler to simulate furnished rooms. Adding bookshelves etc. in strategic places could possibly come in handy in a situation when you actually have to defend yourself at home
@tearex8688
@tearex8688 Год назад
Good point
@sinisterthoughts2896
@sinisterthoughts2896 Год назад
That's actually a really good point. Plan on adding dampening effects in critical areas.
@James_Bee
@James_Bee Год назад
Paul Harrell did a video using cars as cover and nowhere was safe. Even the engine block didn't stop most rounds, though it had the most success. I doubt furniture is going to do much.
@alanr4845
@alanr4845 Год назад
Tactical bookshelves 😂
@defenderofpoodles5606
@defenderofpoodles5606 Год назад
Great video. My one suggestion- you should have also tested the .22 from a rifle, which I believe would have penetrated all four walls.
@knrz2562
@knrz2562 Год назад
22 supersonic>+p
@sonofnone116
@sonofnone116 Год назад
& still make the hit on a coke can at 710 yards?
@ryanfirmin4805
@ryanfirmin4805 Год назад
@@sonofnone116 I came here to say this but knew in my head it had already been said….
@PhilJLF
@PhilJLF Год назад
22 TCM lol
@firesupport162
@firesupport162 Год назад
Same I just got a .22 Lr from Mossberg love it superb zero from the box
@seanedwards6169
@seanedwards6169 Год назад
Paul Harrel did a test like this and he got really good results with a shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot. If I recall correctly it would just barely penetrate one wall but not go through two walls. Seems like a very good self defense choice. #4 buck has like 27 pellets that are each about the size of a .22 round.
@robertsmith2956
@robertsmith2956 Год назад
I have 12 gauge shells loaded with 20k steel pellets. Will not penetrate, but if fool is wearing a face shield it will become opaque instantly blinding them. Know your enemies tactics, and use them against them.
@oldplace2844
@oldplace2844 Год назад
He did birdshot too, to good effect. Inside the home, 12ga with either #4 buck or even #4 birdshot is simply terrifying under 30ft. But will still slow down by the time you hit the walls.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj Год назад
#4 buckshot is to be avoided. It was popular in LE for a very short time but it has issues stopping reliably. While it penetrates well in gel and will be a lethal hit, the issue is that bone like the ribcage tends to deflect the pellets so you don't get as fast of a stop as a handgun would provide. I would stick to an AR in 5.56 with a ballistic tip like vmax instead, or regular 00 if one only has a shotgun.
@Defossion1
@Defossion1 Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Qw8IiRgSMFQ.html Paul Harrell's test from 3 years ago.
@ds6872
@ds6872 Год назад
​@Dave Smith if the ribs stop a few, the other twenty something should still get'm 👍
@Freehotdawgs
@Freehotdawgs Год назад
I’d like to see this test done some more with subsonic, frangible rounds, etc. This video/topic is actually pretty important knowledge.
@GospelFire
@GospelFire Год назад
The only truly important knowledge is the Gospel bloke, that Jesus died to save sinners.
@roberteisner4172
@roberteisner4172 Год назад
I was thinking the same thing about frangibles. I carry that in my 9mm bed side gun. the selling point for me was that it wouldn't go through 2 sheets of drywall.
@SlavGod47
@SlavGod47 Год назад
I'm really curious how V-Crown JHP would hold up, since for 9 they only used MHP
@TedHawk
@TedHawk Год назад
Better video here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-e5KzAA7JME4.html This is why I use these frangibles for self-defense 5.56 and 9mm. Nasty wound channel, not affected by clothing like HPs, and doesn't go through drywall after exiting ballistic gel.
@shittinator
@shittinator Год назад
@@GospelFire I dunno man, I think "how to not accidentally shoot your 4-year-old" ranks pretty high.
@joshuamahurin5682
@joshuamahurin5682 Год назад
So glad you mentioned the M&P I have to stick up for it all the time with my friends
@TGG239
@TGG239 9 дней назад
Love my M&P 2.0 Metal
@zachcollins444
@zachcollins444 Год назад
I would like to see a 5.7x28 tested to see if that fast light round would stop sooner. Would also like to see a ballistics dummy added to test over penetration when you hit someone.
@mrmoose6765
@mrmoose6765 Год назад
I want to see the 27 grain hollow point, i have that loaded in a few mags. I've seen videos of it going through bullet proof glass.
@4lbert859j
@4lbert859j Год назад
Was a little disappointed not seeing it on here.
@antonkovalev4151
@antonkovalev4151 Год назад
5.7 ignores wood. It is a very fast round which was developed to pierce through body armor. The difference to the energy between rifle 5.56 and 5.7x28 is only proportional to mass, so unless you have some serious thickness of wood 5.7 will just go through. It has less stopping power, but it penetrates hard. Do not consider it to be a safe ammo to use in terms of home defense. It only stops on several layers of wood (round becomes unstable, yet still might cause a serious injury and it makes 5.7 even a less suitable ammo for home defense, since you don't know where your bullet will fly after a 2nd wall ) and it can't penetrate a brickwall
@leehrvyoswld
@leehrvyoswld Год назад
REALLY interested in a long version of this with various common wall configs and angular testing. Because I've definitely seen a 9mm hollow point get hung up on first layer of drywall at a low (sub 30°) angle.
@mjbranch2109
@mjbranch2109 Год назад
answer: its drywall
@krrrruptidsoless
@krrrruptidsoless Год назад
Vigilance elite did some testing like this a year or more ago with stuff in front/behind and inside the wall if I recall
@leehrvyoswld
@leehrvyoswld Год назад
@@stevexracer4309 Idk if you can't read, but I literally just said I've seen drywall stop a 9mm hollow point at a low angle.
@erikthered9357
@erikthered9357 Год назад
The exterior walls of modern homes will have some sort of 1/2" or 5/8" plywood/OSB then 1/2" siding and/or brick or vinyl. Barrier walls between apartments is generally 2 layers of 5/8" sheetrock on each side. I would be interested in how those configs stand up to your tests.
@goudawgs
@goudawgs Год назад
Not necessarily true for connected units like townhomes or condos though.
@PP-uv1kw
@PP-uv1kw Год назад
trash construction..... wont even stop your bed "squeeks"
@TheAhirishman
@TheAhirishman Год назад
​@@goudawgs partition walls usually require fire rated drywall on walls and fire rated plywood on roof above walls. Dont know how much of a difference itll make but FR drywall is some hard shit...like aarons weiner
@bigdaddy4691
@bigdaddy4691 Год назад
@@TheAhirishman FR drywall is just 1/8" thicker drywall. You should generally insulate the walls and have a minimum 1" air gap. FR drywall is not that hard. I have built a few duplexes, and condos. I wouldn't bet my life on the firewall.
@nebur90716
@nebur90716 Год назад
Also what about insulation? I feel like that would slow down hollow points
@Oops407
@Oops407 Год назад
It would be cool to see different 556/223 round out of some different lengths of ars specificly for home defense
@nates9536
@nates9536 Год назад
Would love to see the same test done for shotguns exclusively. Testing different pellet sizes from birdshot to 00Buck like we saw here. Many people say #4 loads are the "magic" load that is lethal but low wall penetration
@Ironsight_Army
@Ironsight_Army Год назад
#4 buckshot FTW
@MB-jg4tr
@MB-jg4tr Год назад
4Buck is excellent for HD, but it's still gonna go through all that drywall.
@MisterNi
@MisterNi Год назад
The "magic" load is don't miss what you're shooting at. Yeah that's easier said than done and not everyone is trained to that degree, but as far as I'm concerned shooting a home intruder is better than hitting a family member or neighbor due to firing wildly into the dark.
@BradYaeger
@BradYaeger Год назад
Paul Herrel has a video doing that
@dplorbl
@dplorbl Год назад
# 7 lead birdshot followed by 00 Dropped & Finished 😉
@colinhess8900
@colinhess8900 Год назад
Having done my fair share of residential construction, it was always my opinion that any concern with stray bullets in a home should be limited to risk of over penetration. If you miss, as we just saw, the bullet will likely exit the house. Or at least go from one end to the other before hitting sheathing/siding. So assessing your risk of over penetration is a better use of your time and ammo. As well as figuring out your angles of approach while clearing your house, so you know where everyone/everything you don’t want shot are. Including the bullets coming from the ”bad guy”. Bullets sailing through drywall works both ways gents.
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Год назад
And don't forget random change of direction as bullets pass through stuff. Illustrated in the video above.
@dazzling3237
@dazzling3237 Год назад
That's a lot of thinking and training for the average gun owner, who has literally zero training of any kind.
@Muricanwerewolf
@Muricanwerewolf Год назад
@@dazzling3237 Yeah I'm thinking just get the job done with as much accuracy as possible and pray on the rest.
@ilykeey9827
@ilykeey9827 Год назад
if you had experience with “residential construction” you would know these walls are only wooden frame and drywall, these walls are incomplete and it doesn’t simulate a bullet going into a house rather as a bullet being shot inside an incomplete house
@johndododoe1411
@johndododoe1411 Год назад
@@ilykeey9827 So what else in a US house would stop the bullet?
@CM-ym9yn
@CM-ym9yn Год назад
Please keep blessing us with this consistent and amazing content Dad! 🙏
@CopeAndSeeth
@CopeAndSeeth Год назад
fr pull the trigga on a nigga
@Holy_Knight221
@Holy_Knight221 10 месяцев назад
German Brickwall: *shoots back*
@ryanwhitney3195
@ryanwhitney3195 Год назад
Considering I did a similar test in middle school to see how many layers of dry wall a .22 would go through (shot out a Ruger 10/22), and that little guy zipped through 7 layers. Yeah, I'm fairly confident everything is going through these dry walls.
@АлакПатрова
@АлакПатрова Год назад
I'd like to see a 27 grain and 40 grain 5.7
@DcaptainTNT
@DcaptainTNT Год назад
I want to see .410 and 20 gauge tested like this with bird shot, buck shot and slugs. Also would love to see cinder block walls tested.
@jonathansharpe5390
@jonathansharpe5390 Год назад
I want to see a No. 4 turkey load or a No. 2 duck load.
@grumpyshumpy
@grumpyshumpy Год назад
I think people underestimate just how devastating birdshot loads can be up close. It's essentially a slug coming out of the barrel still packed inside the wad. Edit (talking about the total power of the load, not the individual energy of each pellet)
@DcaptainTNT
@DcaptainTNT Год назад
@King Of Crunk I spend a lot of time in Mexico and they build exclusively out of cinder block here. I have yet to see anyone build and shoot at a cinder block wall. I can image how it would do but is like to see it.
@judsongaiden9878
@judsongaiden9878 Год назад
You forgot an Oxford comma between "buckshot" and "and slugs."
@golfnguns443
@golfnguns443 Год назад
Same power per pellet really in a 20, just less shot
@srgtjellydonut1883
@srgtjellydonut1883 Год назад
I feel called out. I have a .300WM as my behind the door gun. This was a great and educational vid. Keep it up with the great content.
@jeffpraterJSF
@jeffpraterJSF Год назад
Well when a big ass bear or a mountain lion is your biggest worry instead of people I’d want a .300wm too
@theroller5673
@theroller5673 Год назад
Well yeah, why let the threat get within 800 yards of your home? 🤣
@micahmorton
@micahmorton Год назад
The best part about stopping a home intruder with almost any of these weapons is the ringing in your ears for the next hour. After watching your .22 video, I'm sold.
@Austrveg
@Austrveg 7 месяцев назад
300blk sub, supressor
@mikehollinger2600
@mikehollinger2600 Год назад
For those asking, I have tested closed cell foam insulation attached to drywall, and the cultured stone siding. They do very little against even pistol shots. Heat of rounds melts through foam like it isn’t even there.
@wolfofmagdalene92
@wolfofmagdalene92 Год назад
these materials arent even designed with penetration in mind. You can slap a piece of drywall and it will snap. anyone that has worked with basic home materials should know that even a a ramset can shoot shit through a wall. Thats a .22 firing a nail
@kawika8437
@kawika8437 Год назад
Good thing I saw this comment before making a fool of myself by asking lol
@robertsmith2956
@robertsmith2956 Год назад
What about that duraROCK insulation. LOL
@stephenellis3609
@stephenellis3609 Год назад
It would have been interesting to see the difference between modern drywall and the stuff used in earlier homes. I know just from experience pushing picture hooks through different walls of homes made in different time periods, a lot of older homes feel like you’re trying to push through sandstone. It’s damn near impossible. Quintuple the pressure while twisting still doesn’t always do the trick.
@derriklest2161
@derriklest2161 Год назад
I would like to see them test old plaster walls that had chicken wire and thing fiberglass insulation. they made those in my home state ALOT as the walls on outside were brick it let them put in wiring in the house/pipes to keep them from freezing
@rmlittorio8662
@rmlittorio8662 Год назад
asbestos are good for your neighbour’s dog
@infogunvault6920
@infogunvault6920 Год назад
It's not enough of a difference, thick,strong drywall is still drywall. Concrete, gravel, masonry, etc will stop bullets much more readily. Free standing "gabion wall" outside would stop pretty much anything.
@murmur3966
@murmur3966 4 месяца назад
Myth Busters did a show about this but it was to prove if the assassin shooting through the wall to take out the target was possible. They did every wall imaginable with plumbing and electrical etc. but the only thing able to stop a bullet was a big square steel electrical junction box. Everything else, even studs let the bullets right through. That show I thought was pretty eye opening. Plus it proved that it isn't just Hollywood fantasy to take someone out through a wall if you can't get a clear shot. Stay happy my friend. 🤘😁👍
@jimgoose
@jimgoose Год назад
Interesting video and nice to see it done. I'd just like to add that in UK/I, all external and ground-floor walls are considered load-bearing and are solid concrete. Drywall is called stud-partition over here and is used to separate rooms on upper floors. So if you intend to burgle downstairs, you'll need at least .338LM. 😊
@5loaves2fish93
@5loaves2fish93 Год назад
This is actually extremely important info and im surprised this vid doesnt have more views. Thanks guys!
@chadwickbasedman2387
@chadwickbasedman2387 Год назад
One item I would be interested in seeing you guys test are those backpacks that are supposed to have armor in them to protect against small caliber rounds. Seeing how effective or ineffective certain brands of those would be interesting.
@p99guy
@p99guy Год назад
When it comes to one brand of NIJ rated IIIA kevlar backpack panels against another… there is no difference. They stop what they are rated to stop. The NIJ govt standards Are just that. There is testing at labs to be certified.
@bigdaddy4691
@bigdaddy4691 Год назад
There are literally hundreds of those videos already
@ThomasThePanzerTank
@ThomasThePanzerTank Год назад
Definitely would try making a part 2 by using ballistic dummies or gel. I know the velocity would definitely be effected if it’s hitting gel first.
@davidbecquer3624
@davidbecquer3624 Год назад
European here. The irony is we don't have guns but we do have brick/concrete walls that can stop 5.56. Greetigs from France gents, keep up the great content!
@myboysd5772
@myboysd5772 Год назад
European here. We do actually have guns, ranking by country for civilian-held firearms per 100 population Finland sits in the 10th place with 32.4 guns in a survey made in 2017. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
@SGTcz90cz
@SGTcz90cz Год назад
I love the smell of freedom in the evening!
@cvdubya5774
@cvdubya5774 Год назад
​@MyBoys D AND you guys can easily own short barrel rifles and silencers if im not mistaken? Here in the US we can own them but have to pay a $200 tax, wait up to 18 months for approval and go on a federal registry, which I refuse to do. It boggles my mind we aren't allowed to buy silencers over the counter for hunting purposes.
@cyruswoolard3737
@cyruswoolard3737 Год назад
​@@cvdubya5774 js nfa items are down to about an 8 months wait time now. Just did the forms for a can yesterday
@Crystallized629
@Crystallized629 Год назад
@@cvdubya5774 Depends on thr Country. In Germany everything is strongly regulated. Im not a hunter so it is impossible for me own a silencer. Oh and we aren't even allowed to use a flashlight on our guns, or nightvision.
@josiaheck4865
@josiaheck4865 Год назад
As a skinwa- I mean Amazon Associate, I'm feeling a little called out. But seriously, I knew most would definitely go through at least one wall (2 layers) and many would likely pass 2 walls. But I had genuinely bought into the myth that most (not like, 308 and up) wouldn't go though more than 2 walls. Fascinating stuff, keep the science coming, because I'd love to know what many other comments are asking for with variables like types of rounds, soft tissue, insulation, range, etc. Oh and Dragon's Breath rounds? For science? Or home defense from spiders?
@TheWolfDude91
@TheWolfDude91 Год назад
Not unless you wanna burn your house down to show your invader it ain't worth it lol
@RikkiTikkiTavi290
@RikkiTikkiTavi290 Год назад
🤔🤨
@Ric0chetAus
@Ric0chetAus Год назад
Never underestimate the AWP + Deagle combo for home defence.
@SoggiestBread
@SoggiestBread Год назад
almost as good as the Musket + Flintlock + Cannon at the top of the stairs loaded with Grapeshot
@SpecialOpsPepe
@SpecialOpsPepe Год назад
@@SoggiestBread Tally ho!
@fizeekpoaster
@fizeekpoaster Год назад
the classic 1.6 home defense..
@theauralucario60
@theauralucario60 Год назад
we’re all on eco round though. i’m not force buying an awp
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla Год назад
Paul Harrell found that #4 buckshot doesn’t overpenetrate the particle board outer wall in his test of overpenetration while still being sufficient for defense (it barely reaches minimum FBI penetration standards with full powered loads). Hornady also makes a Varmint Express #4 buckshot load with the same Versatite wad. Really tight pattern at home defense and still meets the 12” minimum at 20 yards, which is more than sufficient for any sight lines in my house.
@blackhawk65589
@blackhawk65589 Год назад
I was about to mention this. Shotguns are great for home defense
@CzechSixTv
@CzechSixTv Год назад
#4 buck will generally stay in your house depending on the distance, not making it through exterior walls, but it will damned sure remain lethal after passing through 2-3 interior walls. If you live alone that's fine. I've put all sorts of ammo through drywall, including setups with ballistic gel behind them, and inside your home a light softpoint .223/5.56 is best for minimizing collateral damage. The Winchester 64gr power-points I keep loaded up in my AR have consistently fragmented on their way through a single mock interior wall. Unimpeded they easily meet FBI/IWBA standards, bu run though a wall the resulting fragments have generally penetrated less than 4" of gel. In perspective, a .177 BB traveling 590fps should only penetrate 3.7" into proper calibrated gel.
@blackhawk65589
@blackhawk65589 Год назад
@@CzechSixTv if you have a reduced #4 buck, you wont go through that many walls, same with a reduced 223. Kinda comparing apples to oranges
@gameragodzilla
@gameragodzilla Год назад
@@CzechSixTv I’m skeptical of that claim given Paul Harrell tested even rounds that don’t penetrate sufficiently to FBI standards and they still went clean through his setup, including the exterior wall. Even the 5.56 rounds that fragmented here only did so after a few walls.
@CzechSixTv
@CzechSixTv Год назад
@@blackhawk65589 Even the reduced recoil #4 buck I've tested has penetrated 10-12" of gel after passing through a single interior wall. The 64gr Power-Points I mentioned aren't 'reduced loads'. They are full power loads that meet FBI/IWBA standards, stopping right around 14.5" under normal gel testing procedures.
@t-rex9809
@t-rex9809 Год назад
Thank you, Garand, for your amazing video. Entertaining and educational, as always.
@user-dw4cv3xq5u
@user-dw4cv3xq5u Год назад
Look at me I have tiny arms
@kameronkessler6345
@kameronkessler6345 Год назад
You should take into account sheeting and siding as far as the bullet actually exiting your home, typical wall is drywall, insulation, half inch cdx+paper+siding of choice, I’d be curious to see Hardy lap siding and how well it would stop some calibers! Killer video!
@Forrest1369
@Forrest1369 Год назад
It would be interesting to see how frangible, poly, and copper ammo does with the same test. Since it’s often marketed as home defense ammo that won’t over penetrate. 🤔
@CalzaTheFox
@CalzaTheFox Год назад
The G9 9mm that he tested is copper. Poly would probably break up on the 2nd or 3rd stud but wouldn't care about drywall. Frangible could be pretty good. By over-penetration, they mean after it's hit somebody first...
@Tap02
@Tap02 Год назад
It’s all bullsh*t, anything other then a .22 will kill your neighbor.
@robertsmith2956
@robertsmith2956 Год назад
@@Tap02 That is a good thing if it was your neighbor breaking in.
@irregularrex4004
@irregularrex4004 Год назад
Frangible 5.56 is probably your best bet but if it's only drywall it's hitting it'll still go through a few before stopping.
@fudaldeath
@fudaldeath Год назад
These are usually talking about over penetration -IF- you hit a soft target
@kylem7708
@kylem7708 Год назад
I'd love to see this done again with ballistic dummies in front of the first wall, and some glass picture frames and those Displate metal poster things hanging up to see which stuff actually matters for what calibers
@donnyboi1990
@donnyboi1990 Год назад
Would be cool to see this test with insulation in between the layers of dry wall (it might not make a difference but we have pretty thick layers of insulation in the walls up here in the north)
@JoeC92
@JoeC92 Год назад
Especially Stone wool (roxul) being pretty thick compared to fiberglass
@LtLemontwist
@LtLemontwist Год назад
Insulation does nothing. Paul Harrell did a demonstration video on this already. It makes sense that it does nothing since insulation’s entire purpose is to trap air as a barrier to the transfer of energy. Naturally, small pockets of air do nothing.
@xavierwilmerng6317
@xavierwilmerng6317 Год назад
I mean they did build to code? Maybe there is some insulation in there?
@JoeC92
@JoeC92 Год назад
@@xavierwilmerng6317 insulation isn't code for interior walls only exterior
@lmaolmoo4147
@lmaolmoo4147 Год назад
It doesn't make any difference. Paul Harrell has shot bullets thrown entire roll of insulation and it did nothing to the bullet.
@da_grinchb
@da_grinchb Год назад
Great test for straight dry wall I'd be interested to see what happens when you add insulation, wires, pipes ect. I'd imagine that would change the outcome for some of those rounds
@MbisonBalrog
@MbisonBalrog Год назад
Good idea
@Ricochet845
@Ricochet845 Год назад
My pops was the firearms instructor for a large city pd, back in the day they did some tests at their range and determined that #4 buck shot out of a 12 gauge it went through the thick leather coats of the 80’s and didn’t over penetrate too much to cause great concern. I want to test that now a days since it’s about 40 years later after they found that out.
@petebaumann7731
@petebaumann7731 Год назад
**Laughs in Switzerland** We get to take home automatic Sig 550's from mandatory service and have hella thicc walls :)
@GarandThumb
@GarandThumb Год назад
truth
@Saku19
@Saku19 Год назад
How much ammo do they let you have?
@petebaumann7731
@petebaumann7731 Год назад
@@Saku19 they dont give you ammo and only one magazine. That doesnt stop you from buying more of both though :)
@robn5326
@robn5326 Год назад
It has to have already been said but I would really like to see this same idea with a ballistic dummy in front as well. (Also with a #4 buck for the shotgun guys)
@jorgesolis9468
@jorgesolis9468 Год назад
#4 bird-#4 buck
@Steven-gv1ke
@Steven-gv1ke Год назад
I did research on this about 20 years ago, and if I remember straight, #4 buckshot passes through only 2 pieces of sheetrock (1 wall). I have always had it loaded in my home shotgun for that reason. It will devastate an intruder but very low risk of over penetration through walls.
@jorgesolis9468
@jorgesolis9468 Год назад
@@Steven-gv1ke I just play it safe with #4 bird less penetration than buck but at home defense range it will shred tissue up bad
@fetusthegreat9797
@fetusthegreat9797 5 месяцев назад
That buckshot drywall test is exactly why when i lived in a small studio apartment with neighbors on basically everyside my shotgun had birdshot in it. As soon as i moved into a house i put buck shot in it dont get me wrong but it was a serious consideration i had to think about.
@cameronmurphy9951
@cameronmurphy9951 Год назад
Minus the lack of ballistic models, the only addition to this test that I would test is shooting into corners and trying to simulate other danger areas like doorways and staircases. That would be cool. Also, if you do that, I want in on the video haha.
@brianbennett1136
@brianbennett1136 Год назад
Great video that will be referenced for years to come in internet arguments. I wish you guys did do birdshot, I know a lot of people(including my dad) who has it for their home defense setup.
@brandonrobertson6327
@brandonrobertson6327 Год назад
I'm a fan of #4 or #5 Turkey shot myself.
@cupsnlantern
@cupsnlantern Год назад
I'm also confused why they didn't test any birdshot. In one of their previous videos, they demonstrated that birdshot is lethal at 5 yards. I don't know about y'all but I don't have too many spots in my home with open space greater than 5 yards. I'm confident birdshot would have been the only thing to pass their test.
@hanselito2416
@hanselito2416 Год назад
Thank you for touching on one of the core safety rules. Know your target and what lies beyond. Extremely important. We dont want our tools to create more problems.
@ytmndan
@ytmndan 2 месяца назад
I'd be curious how a modern townhome/condo drywall partition would hold up. So standard drywall, fiberglass insulation, 2 layers of high density drywall, fiberglass insulation, and finally another layer of standard drywall.
@davidboyle3071
@davidboyle3071 Год назад
11:54 I love the Saving Private Ryan reenactment
@BradYaeger
@BradYaeger Год назад
For those curious , insulation does nothing to slow rounds going through . If you have done any construction or demo work, you know how little actually goes into creating both interior and exterior wall. Wiring and pipes aside , you could kick your through an interior wall in about 30 second , and an exterior in a few minutes tops. Most rifle rounds will zip clear through the average house . You can find plenty of videos on it .
@TheManOWrath
@TheManOWrath Год назад
What kind if rifle rounds? Because the most common rifle caliber is 5.56, which penetrates less drywall than common pistol rounds.
@mikewithers299
@mikewithers299 Год назад
​@TheManOWrath I used to do construction work for a living for 40 years. I've punched thru a wall before. I knew where the studs were. It was during demo work. Drywall isn't that strong. My pellet gun shot thru 5/8" plywood too. Air and 177 cal pellet!
@joshs199
@joshs199 Год назад
Yes sir I agree. And then I see these 10. 20 year old trailer parks with all the single wides lined up in rows and I'm like oh man some starts shooting it could go really bad for the neighbors. 🤔🥃🤘
@RedHuntsman
@RedHuntsman Год назад
@@TheManOWrath Someone didn't watch the video.
@99machinist99
@99machinist99 Год назад
In the spirit of this demonstration, I would be interested in seeing the results of some smaller pistol rounds. Like .380 auto, 32acp and so on.
@jakcummins9996
@jakcummins9996 Год назад
00 buck shoots almost the same velocity and is almost exact same diameter so technically they did
@99machinist99
@99machinist99 Год назад
@Jak Cummins sorry not true. 00 buck travels over 1300 fps which is over 300 fps faster than most .380 and 400fps faster than. 32 auto. But thanks.
@_boondock_9158
@_boondock_9158 Год назад
Nobody has those
@jakcummins9996
@jakcummins9996 Год назад
@99machinist99 1100 for federal vital shok. But please, oh snarky one, tell me more 😕
@99machinist99
@99machinist99 Год назад
@@_boondock_9158 nobody has .380 auto? 🤣
@EZPCTECH
@EZPCTECH 9 месяцев назад
I was waiting for a 9mm PCC test with an 8" barrel and some FMJs that tend to open up easily or fall apart. That would be really interesting to see because many use this combo, and in theory, it could be stopped after the first wall
@joeparreman4859
@joeparreman4859 Год назад
Now I wanna see these tests with European walls. It would be really interesting to see who has the superior walls, imperial walls vs metric walls!
@aschelocke5287
@aschelocke5287 Год назад
Yeah that answer would be totally surprising..
@murphy7801
@murphy7801 Год назад
Given that most European walls are alot more solid wouldn't be much of an answer. I mean most Europe builds houses our of brick, stone and concrete. USA builds out of wood.
@Po6om_Bepmep
@Po6om_Bepmep Год назад
Soviet walls =))))) Because they mostly made of reinforced concrete =)) Friend of mine made a negligent discharge in such kind of wall with a 5.45x45 (bullet without steel core - just a lead core) - and the result was a just a small dent in the wall =))
@professorgoat1099
@professorgoat1099 Год назад
for the states, it would depend on the state and the age of the home. but euro walls will probably hold up better regardless. the most they have to worry about is rain. besides, they build strong and small, we build large and cheap.
@RyoMassaki
@RyoMassaki Год назад
@@Po6om_Bepmep I would gladly accept an eastern block style concrete wall as cover, but I would feel different behind a chinese made "reinforced concrete" wall. The difference between cover and concealment highly depends on the quality of the "concrete".
@dodgersfnshepard8673
@dodgersfnshepard8673 Год назад
Use fragmentation/frangable rounds, it won't be stopped but definitely lessons the odds of penetration as well as scales up your lethality
@MiaogisTeas
@MiaogisTeas 5 месяцев назад
Frangible rounds are less lethal, not moreso.
@Elias-xu7uw
@Elias-xu7uw 3 месяца назад
​@@MiaogisTeasexpanding hunting rounds Are more lethal and will dump all their energy into someone.. do your research before talking
@MrCashewkitty
@MrCashewkitty Месяц назад
​@@Elias-xu7uwThe Vmax still penetrated 2 walls but did did the best.
@xostler
@xostler Год назад
Your drywall screws are remarkably straight. I do want to point out homes have other things than just air between drywall. You can be shooting through plumbing, electrical, insulation, and then whatever is finish work like tile, cabinetry, or trim.
@jrussell76
@jrussell76 Год назад
Shooting a gas line would make things interesting....
@ihcterra4625
@ihcterra4625 Год назад
The construction of the bullet means a lot more than the cartridge. You should also test a variety of shotgun loads. Including #4 buck and a wide range of birdshot loads. Considering that at home defense ranges, you are most likely to be shooting under 3 yards, even target loads would be effective.
@lanepollan477
@lanepollan477 Год назад
I’d like to see the same test but with the ballistic dummy shot first. I feel that would more accurately show over penetration in a home defense situation.
@rpk675
@rpk675 Год назад
I’d assume unless you are a really good shot that at least some shots would miss. I don’t think the bullets that are on target would have too much of an impact after exiting a body
@lanepollan477
@lanepollan477 Год назад
@@rpk675 you’re more than likely correct, some shots would probably miss. It’s the shots that don’t miss that I’m curious about. I would like to see the velocity that different rounds have after dumping some kinetic energy. Would a ballistic tip dump most of its energy in the threat and not penetrate much after as apposed to a bonded round that tends to zip through most medians without extreme kinetic energy loss?
@rpk675
@rpk675 Год назад
@@lanepollan477 That would be interesting for sure
@simonp1165
@simonp1165 Год назад
Like you will hit every round? But still interesting I agreee
@nikik5567
@nikik5567 Год назад
Right? Like lemme see the results after it passes through a dummy torso first.
@bikergod69
@bikergod69 Год назад
I think it would be interesting to see how this would be affected by a home with brick exterior walls and/or a concrete brick constructed home like they build in Florida.
@FL_Dolfo
@FL_Dolfo Год назад
Yup
@yuurichito1439
@yuurichito1439 Год назад
Glad I could use a .50 if guns were legal here cuz the ceilings are made out of half a meter of steel concrete
@yuurichito1439
@yuurichito1439 Год назад
💀
@notyouraveragegoldenpotato
@notyouraveragegoldenpotato Год назад
Lathe and plaster walls with a brick exterior stops .308. Barely. Anything more than that and it's gonna send through but it'd prob be broken up
@armeddiver
@armeddiver Год назад
Thank you for the video. I watch everyone of these types of tests. I really wish that anyone that plans to have a home defense gun would watch these videos so that they can [think] past what they can see. It is another reason why everyone needs at least basic firearms safety training - "Know your target and beyond."
@StullerD
@StullerD Год назад
while i agree that people should be trained in the ways of firearms... for me it is absolutely mindblowing that people can actually carry weapons, or use at their own properties. I've never met, heard or had any info about anybody who ever had to use a gun (but yeah I've always lived in European countries where even having a knife its considered an offense) hell the only altercation I've seen in more than 30 years was a punch in a bar....:D
@CK-xz6wv
@CK-xz6wv Год назад
Paul Harrel has a good one where he shoots through bookcases and the like
@armeddiver
@armeddiver Год назад
@@CK-xz6wv Thank you I will check that out.
@carljefts215
@carljefts215 Год назад
Please keep the conversation and information coming
@guitfiddle
@guitfiddle Год назад
I was hoping you would try 5.7 from a pistol. I was wondering about using one for HD. High round count, potentially less over penetration. Please add this to your future tests. Thanks for the efforts you put into this. I love your videos.
@mynamejef7963
@mynamejef7963 Год назад
Cheaper to let the guy just rob your house
@connordillon6493
@connordillon6493 Год назад
I’d like to see this test with different siding materials and such but that gets expensive. Brick veneer, triple wythe brick walls, SIPs, etc.
@LiDARs
@LiDARs Год назад
Yes but get manufacturers to send a wall sample. Or partner with a build show.
@hunterbailey5497
@hunterbailey5497 Год назад
What you should do is do this test again but have ballistic bodies to shoot first then see how much damage the bullet does after doing through the body.
@kaiudall2583
@kaiudall2583 Год назад
True, but that also assumes you make every shot you take.
@dustinwatkins-vj1sx
@dustinwatkins-vj1sx Год назад
@@kaiudall2583if you train semi regularly hitting a 5’5-6ft x 24in target shouldn’t be too much of a problem.
@kaiudall2583
@kaiudall2583 Год назад
@@dustinwatkins-vj1sx oh definitely. Shooting a non moving cardboard target is no problem.
@dakdewolf
@dakdewolf Год назад
​@@kaiudall2583FR what a joke. "I'm sure I'll never miss a shot on a home intruder, I dont need to clear MY back drop".... 😂
@Jasper-Holland
@Jasper-Holland Год назад
Thanks for the info, will for sure use this info in my home in the Netherlands!
@nyk3334
@nyk3334 Год назад
It’s videos like these (Shawn Ryan) that changed my mind on the AR-15 or other long guns. These videos have real positive outcomes. Thanks.
@usptact
@usptact Год назад
It would be great to see how frangible 5.56 would behave in this setup!
@TheAnnoyingBoss
@TheAnnoyingBoss Год назад
.50ae. A blunderbus filled with various objects. Bus stuff. Blunderbus stuff
@spammerscammer
@spammerscammer Год назад
7:24
@freneticfanatic
@freneticfanatic Год назад
Frangible is made to break up when it hits metal. Not ideal for that purpose and suboptimal terminal ballistics, too.
@tim.shootz
@tim.shootz Год назад
Several other folks have tested frangible 5.56 rounds with drywall and it performs really well. Rapidly begins tumbling and fragmenting after the first wall it hits. The speed alone causes it to still pass thru however with much smaller fragments and highly destabilized.
@infogunvault6920
@infogunvault6920 Год назад
I mentioned the results of a 5.56 frangible interceptor round through ballistics gel and walls in the overpenetration video I made. Surprisingly, it penetrated more than regular defense 5.56 rounds. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-GmDsqPih6uw.html
@bmdubclub9933
@bmdubclub9933 Год назад
It would be cool to see the same test with different insulations in the wall. Fiberglass roxsul and closed cell foam and maybe dense packed cellulose
@christophertaylor9100
@christophertaylor9100 Год назад
great point
@MR-nl8xr
@MR-nl8xr Год назад
Not sure that it will make that much of a difference, but there will be some. the problem is there is still so much old construction out there, that it would take a lot of $$$ to make this right i.e. lathe & plaster walls, gypsum rock, brick walls, CMU walls, fiberglass shower walls, tile (bathrooms/kitchen), etc; and nevermind putting in the utilities that go inside them, i.e. plumbing (copper, CI pipe, ABS, CCPV), Cu/Al Wire, EMT/RMC conduit, sound deadining insulation, fire blocks, data (Cat5/6e) cable bundles, etc. This video was informative as it was, they were just going for a ball park sample data video; I give thumbs up
@bmdubclub9933
@bmdubclub9933 Год назад
@@MR-nl8xr the insulation is all I’m curious on considering I spray closed cell foam for a living and know it will stop a 9 mm hollow at 5 inches thick
@toddk1377
@toddk1377 Год назад
Insulation has little to no effect. There's other videos showing a 22lr going through a compressed role of insulation.
@bmdubclub9933
@bmdubclub9933 Год назад
@@toddk1377 have you ever felt closed cell spray foam? It’s just as hard as wood plus we spray it 5 inches think up here in Maine it has a massive effect and 2 inches will stop a .22lr easily and sometimes bounces right off like metal and 5 inches will stop a 9mm
@KathrynLiz1
@KathrynLiz1 Год назад
Something to consider in a defensive situation..... Don't miss! If you hit the intruder, over penetration is unlikely with most rounds; if you miss him, over penetration with anything is a certainty. I think the safest round might be a .44 cap'n'ball pistol with about a 25gr charge and a round soft lead ball (that would give about 700fps). Deadly on the target but slows down really fast if it hits a wall. The black powder smoke could be an issue though... in my garage/workshop 4 rounds from the .44 (into my bullet trap) and it's hard to breathe in there! 😀 A shotgun with bird shot would fill the bill too.... about #7 shot would do it.... very nasty indeed at close range but penetration after that is very poor...
@five5105
@five5105 Год назад
Doing this again with frangible loads would be interesting.
@racialconsciousness6996
@racialconsciousness6996 Год назад
When I was like 12 years old, I met a guy who fought in Bosnia, I believe, and he showed me the coolest scar from a bullet on this lower thigh. It was very clearly the most perfect silhouette of a 7.62x39. Completely sideways/keyholing. That round really likes to tumble, which is why it's dogstuff at distance.
@WarNoob755
@WarNoob755 Год назад
Depends on the barrel firing the round. Not saying it is the best but it can kill at distance.
@peasanttoking6839
@peasanttoking6839 Год назад
Weird seeing you here
@racialconsciousness6996
@racialconsciousness6996 Год назад
@@peasanttoking6839 -- I am everywhere, friend.
@xDASSLERx
@xDASSLERx Год назад
Free RC, he didn't do anything wrong! ✊
@SantaClaus-kk8zr
@SantaClaus-kk8zr Год назад
Hey kid wanna see this bullet wound from Bosnia?
@bored2323
@bored2323 Год назад
Hats off to another excellent episode and editing.. this channel is not only informative but very entertaining . Keep up the amazing work !
@brudamiranda3314
@brudamiranda3314 19 дней назад
Shotty BABY 💯 i have a friend that shot a maverick 88 for 15 years and never clean it. Its super smooth after i cleaned it for him for A 6pack
@PewTube24
@PewTube24 Год назад
I’d love to see this again with a gel torso to simulate over penetration if you do hit your target
@ryanzucker8345
@ryanzucker8345 Год назад
Was gonna comment this but then saw your comment. Bump this comment up and let’s see them re-run the test!
@ryanzucker8345
@ryanzucker8345 Год назад
@@stevexracer4309 true. Anything that can go through a bad guy will most certainly go through the wall after. But it would be interesting to see how much energy and damage the bullet is capable of after the fact.
@Saanonymous80
@Saanonymous80 Год назад
To be fair, you should also add a ballistic dummy before the drywall. That would simulate the threat eliminated and the "target beyond" Edit: Maybe add things like pictures, television, mirrors, outlets/wiring also
@GeekOfAllness
@GeekOfAllness Год назад
Presumably, you're going to miss a few rounds. And random things like TVs are more of a best-case scenario, when you really want to think about the worst case scenario. If your entire wall is covered with books in a bookcase, that's one thing. But the odds you happen to hit that single, 900-page calculus book edge-on while point shooting at a random intruder at 3 AM aren't really worth considering.
@mortekaieve4729
@mortekaieve4729 Год назад
@@GeekOfAllness IDK, you might hit that wire running through your house when you shoot at the guy's knees.
@timmys8823
@timmys8823 Год назад
Maybe a ballistic dummy of a dog too ya know 😂
@jutde
@jutde Год назад
@@mortekaieve4729 my buddies uncles cousins dog was saved when a round hit the lead pipe in his plaster-on-lathe walls. Sadly the cat wasn't so lucky as it got the ricochet of the already tumbling 7.62 which put it on its 4th life.
@procurion8934
@procurion8934 Год назад
ALL of the interior walls of my house are fully insulated. Unless the house is old, in the South most new construction in the last 20 years has insulated interior walls if the home is built by a reputable builder.
@FlyingNDriving
@FlyingNDriving Год назад
I think 18-20" 55gr/77gr 5.56 might have broken up sooner with the extra velocity over the short barrel, would have been interesting to see it featured
@partylikeits1993
@partylikeits1993 Год назад
1000%
@R_K_S2401
@R_K_S2401 8 месяцев назад
Really appreciate this test. I'm sure it was a pain building all that and then getting it sent out to the range. Really appreciate your work. Nice to know that the heavy otm 5.56 is pretty good terminally and really good against over penetration in interior walls. I personally use those in my Home Defense AR. I'm surprised 00 Buck penetrated that Many walls. I would have liked to see #4 buckshot. #4 buckshot pellets are .25 caliber while individual pellets weigh around 20 grains. So if a #4 buck pellet and a 00 Buck pellet are traveling at the same speed, the #4 buck should penetrate less, considering that 00 Buck pellets are round .35 caliber and weigh 53 grains. But #4 buck will also give you more hits on target. #4 Buck usually has around 27 pellets versus 00 that has eight or nine pellets.
@Panzervagon
@Panzervagon Год назад
Hollowpoints tend to have similar penetration to FMJ through fibrous materials, or relatively thick soft materials, they fill up the cavity of the hollowpoint and make it so that they can't even expand on the intended target (most of the time)
@robertsmith2956
@robertsmith2956 Год назад
Just ran across some the other night that have a silicone bead in the tip to stop fowling, 100% guaranteed to expand in the bad guy. Price wasn't to bad either. $35 for 20 rounds.
@DaveSmith-cp5kj
@DaveSmith-cp5kj Год назад
@@robertsmith2956 You can also just fill the hollow point with hot glue, it will do the same for a lot cheaper. Especially if you handload.
@ninja5672
@ninja5672 Год назад
In part two you can try #4 buckshot (specifically recommended for this reason), 5.45x39, and .410 buck and slug.
@davidragsdale5047
@davidragsdale5047 Год назад
5.45 will sail through like 5.56
@vyros5
@vyros5 Год назад
2:35 "You do know the punishment for graffiti in Idaho, right?" "Firing squad?" "yeah." As an Idahoan I'm happy to hear that you're filming this in Idaho 😁👍
@matty_lam_937
@matty_lam_937 Год назад
4:23 - I think he just saw Paul Allen's business card 😂
@lieutenantskooter7693
@lieutenantskooter7693 Год назад
Need to do this again but with ballistics gel body guys. Assuming, and hoping, most with firearms defending themselves would be accurate so it would be interesting to see how this would play out with the shots landing.
@GeekOfAllness
@GeekOfAllness Год назад
There's an enormous difference between accuracy at a one-way gun range with your buddies and accuracy against a moving target trying to kill you in the dark, 5 seconds after you just woke up. Also, you've got people like me who simply can't afford the ammo to practice as much as we need to. A couple weeks ago, I ran through two mags of one pistol and one mag of a second pistol, aiming at 4-inch targets about 7 yards away. I hit about 75% with the first pistol, and got surprised because I forgot to modify my grip on the smaller frame, so my first round threw me off a bit and it took a couple seconds to remember. My nightstand gun is a full-frame pistol I wouldn't have that issue with, but it's still something I need to work on with my carry pistol (the one I was actually shooting). I hit about 50% on the second pistol, but it's also missing a rear sight so I'm not as worried about that one (I mainly wanted to see if it worked, since it was a piecemeal thing with all aftermarket parts). At 25 yards, I was hitting a 4-6 inch circle with an M4 (it literally says "M4" despite being what most would call an "AR15") while standing. That's enough to hit a bad guy in the house, but I used to shoot that well at 100 yards. The lack of practice over the last decade or so has gotten me rather rusty. My shooting is fine for typical self-defense, on paper. But that doesn't mean I can mag dump in a real fight without missing a round.
@tomfroman7564
@tomfroman7564 Год назад
No one gonna talk about how JACKED Admin is at 4:50? God bless
@sKitz1904
@sKitz1904 Год назад
Would be interesting to see one side drywall and the other done as a outside wall with siding or brick(including the plywood sheathing)
@josephdenoia1408
@josephdenoia1408 11 месяцев назад
In the tests I did, the best home defense round was 12ga #4 buck shot. It definitely puts down an intruder, and while it does go through one sheet of 3/8” drywall, it gets stopped by a second sheet as long as there’s a couple feet of airspace between the two. All exterior walls (aluminum siding, Hardy plank, brick obviously, T-111, plywood etc) remained intact. If you’re not feeling the subsonic .22LR for home defense 🤭, definitely give it a shot I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised. My pair o’ pennies, anyway.
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