What Went Wrong For England? 

I'll tell you where England went wrong . 8 years ago we decided to hire a failed Middlesbrough manager.

Bringing up Kalvin Phillips shows how tactically inept, glaringly unaware of the talents and horribly out of depth Southgate is.

I thought Rory was gonna be supportive 🤣. Took two games

With Southgate, England will always turn into the Three Kittens after 20 odd minutes.

taking out trent before u subbed in 3 runners is horrendous, trent is used to flinging balls forward at liverpool and finally when runners come in trents on the bench

With a manager who got sacked by Middlesbrough over decade ago and did nothing else and they wonder why teams not performing its pretty simple

Southgate. That’s what’s gone wrong for England. Need a more offensive minded Manager given the wealth of attacking options.

He never wanted to play Grealish. He was forced to play him. It wasn't brave. He just needed an excuse to not play him

Liverpool fan here - The "Trent in midfield" debate I do agree with, it's not working as anticipated with England, however the narrative is minimalized, I'll explain: I've seen Trent play a more advanced midfield-like role for Liverpool for a full season in the season just gone, so he can do the job, we know he can, we've seen it... The problem is when he gets on the ball he's constantly looking for that long ball over the top of the defence, which relies on the forward players making that run in behind the defensive line constantly, as soon as Trent gets on the ball for Liverpool Salah & Luis Diaz instinctively know to immediately make that run in behind, whereas for England Trent will get on the ball, he'll look up, but Kane/ Saka/ Foden/ Bellingham don't make that run in behind, it's as though Southgate is telling them not to run in behind, so Trent's only option is to play the ball sideways or backwards... So the problem isn't Trent, the problem is Southgate not knowing what to do with him or having a positive attacking system that gets the best out of him, it's like Southgate has a Ferrari he isn't taking out of 1st gear, same with a lot of these really talented players to be fair...

The players clearly aren't the problem, it's the management. If you're hard on them or if they're having fun, it won't make a difference if they don't have a coach.

“Jude Bellingham an icon” 😂 Give it to Rory to exaggerate things by a million.

Bellingham will not be a 10 at Madrid next season, he did a fantastic job filling that role while waiting for mbabpe, play him with rice and foden in 10 with Gordon out on left

Completely agree with Rory’s analysis of the discipline side of things. This obsession with using the media as what we pride our victories on has to stop. The glorification of St.Georges Park, the players etc. We need a WINNING mentality injected into this England set up, not a social media/image set up.

Adam doesn’t give a fuck, I love it 😂

Ironically what Kyle Walker was actually saying while Rory was speaking, was pretty much defending the performance and telling us we’re expecting too much

So good to see Hugh again, can't wait for one of those Hugh vs Rory wars of old....

Saka played well, Southgate should’ve kept him on

I honestly think it is easy: GK: Pickford Defence: Walker - Stones - Guehi - Trippier Midfield - 6: Rice - 8: Bellingham - 10: Foden Attack - Saka - Kane - Gordon I don't understand everyones obsession with Bellingham playing the 10. I understand he had a great season for Madrid, but that was a completely different setup. He played basically as a false 9 with the wingers cutting in. In the 10 for england, it was never going to be the same and was always going to be less space. Also look back to the World Cup in Qatar. We played Bellingham in the 8 next to Rice and he was arguably our player of the tournament. So I don't understand why people don't think he should be in the 8 as a box to box. Foden plays better in the 10 and I would say is better suited to the 10 role. I imagine the 10 as a more creative player, can turn on the spot and drive at defence and then sit on the edge when it is delivered. Foden plays this way, compared to Bellingham who wants to arrive into the box, which he could better in the 8 role as a box to box midfielder, similar to the role Gundogun performed at City. Gordon on the left is for keeping the width and having another winger who wants to attack the line just as much as cutting in. I like Eze but don't think he offered much and suffers the same issue of wanting to cut in or be central too often which we don't need and I don't blame him, he is more naturally a 10 anyway. Lastly is Kane, I think someone needs ot have a word with him about discipline. I understand he wants to drop deep and receive the ball but we don't need that, we need a Haaland esk player who is willing to sit high and doesn't care if he only touches the ball 4 time,s as long as those touches are shots on goal. If Kane can't keep the discipline to do this and stay, then we need to consider Watkins and Toney who would probably be more than willing to do this role, to get a chance at playing/starting. This to me the the simple solution and with this structure, I feel we can then work on better tactics, as we have players who can press in there position and as a unit. I also feel against Denmark our passing was off and so with this improving, we should naturally be better here and also hope the pitch isn't fucked like it was last game. Curious to know what other people think about this potential team?

First minute and a half and Rory Jennings has already grouped saka with foden Kane and Trent. If anything I think saka has been our only consistent attacker trying to cause problems against the other team

It’s just a mess, GS just doesn’t work - if I was him just put the square pegs in square holes, play Gordon, Mainoo, an actual LB whoever it is.

This conversation could have been happening in Euro(2020), WC(2018), Euro(2016), WC(2014), Euro(2012), WC(2010), Euro(2008, DNQ), WC(2006). I could go on and on. Gen Z England fans must know England have always been shit. Keeping a manager like Southgate for this long is absolutely criminal. The FA is also to blame.

Rory says you could ask "Is Guehi ready for this"...............he's arguably been the only good thing so far out of both games imo

The problem is the players are lost, thats on Southgate

Looks like Ben White saw through Southgate's incompetence and didn't want any part of it.

Need Paul Ince, John Terry, Rio Ferdinand, Bryan Robson....what did they win for England again?

England are more like an All-English All-Star exhibition team than a serious competitive team. The english media and fans insisting their team's darlings make the squad every year doesnt help.

The discussion about the "angry leaders" is maybe why he relied on Maguire and Henderson so much.

It’s too slow, too ponderous and that comes from the manager. Imagine that team under Pep, he would have been doing his nut on the sidelines.

Yo stevo.... what da hell is "comardatree" 😂

3:26 first time I’m hearing Rory swear 😂

I think Crystal Palace were actually the most represented team in that match. Both CBs in Andersen and Guehi plus Eze.

Pickford | Trippier, Guehi, Stones, Walker | Bellingham, Rice | Foden, Palmer, Saka | Kane

Southgate can’t help that rice can’t pass a ball forwards😂

Gareth Southgate pointing to his temples and trying to act calm was hilarious to me, bros tactics were horrible, his subs did nothing and he tells them to stay calm 😂

Rory just listed a bunch of players who also never won anything with England as the solution 😂

The Answer is simple, do an Ivory Coast and sack the coach and just go wild and win it

People jumping on the Kalvin Phillips quote represents everything that's wrong with social media. Southgate mentioned both Phillips and Henderson, and Phillips was the England player of the tournament when England reached the final in 2020.

Darts in the buildup is not why England are struggling, tinpot analysis. The issue is the tactical setup from the manager.

"we all know the players watch us" LOL! Okay mate

man i love hugh, so funny ' I wanna see getting frozen in a cryochamber'

The lack of brain cells in this episode is astonishing 😂

Should have sacked him at halftime.

Bellingham and Rice midfield two. Gordon left. Foden cam. Palmer right. Kane middle. Easy. Everyone in their correct positions.

FACTS: Eriksen has created far more chances than any other player in the EURO cup. Eriksen alone has created more chances than the entire English squad this EUROs. Højlund is noted with the third highest top speed in the EUROs.

Nevermind joined by Hugh Wizzy. Get him a full time part of the club

Steve0 take on Palmer is spot on 100 ball knowledge from him ❤

There's no cohesion whatsoever between the players. All those team bonding meetings before the tournament and before the game went out the window once they stepped on the pitch. They are one team, they wear the same kit but inside their head they're not the same.

Rory is rattled but I hear it. Agree with everything he said.

Saying the squad is “a bit lacking” is ridiculous. Kane, Bellingham, Rice, Stones, Walker, Foden, Saka. That’s 7/11 of the starting lineup that can genuinely say are world class. You then have Palmer & Watkins who have 20 goals & 10 assists in the premier league this season. The tier below that of Trent, Bowen, Trippier, Shaw (if he ever gets fit) are VERY high level and Mainoo & Wharton are great young talents. The squad is STACKED! Absolutely no excuse

Anyone who supported Southgate for years because he lucked his way to various semi finals and finals, while having some of the easiest runs is responsible for him still being here and wasting such talent now.

Pickford, Trippier, Guehi,Stones,walker, Bellingham, Rice,Gordon, Foden,Saka,Kane- I would love to see this team start

Kieran Tripier and Trent Alexander Arnold play like headless chickens and what's funny is that Southgate's coach even brought Luke Shaw, who didn't play for nearly a season at Man United due to injury, instead he brought him

England, compared to the talent they have, & had, haven't clicked for decades. The English might not want to admit this, but it must be a deeper reason than just the manager, even though I think he is a big reason. Is it the media? Expectations from fans? Culture? Lack of a clear football style/identity? Because England have had this same problem under lots of managers.

"No playing darts!!!!!!" This channel is pure parody

Simple solutions 101 #1. Go southgate first half: Start Gallagher or mainoo for Trent Keep the rest same #2. Go Northgate for second half: put Trent somewhere on the pitch, drop Kane for someone without negative acceleration. Eze or Gordon for foden

The disrespect to Cole Palmer in this chat

When Gareth fill's out his team sheet who is he building the attack around? I can't tell from watching. Is it Trent as a deep lying playmaker, is it Kane holding the ball up centrally for runners in behind, is it Bellingham as a CAM? It does not appear that anyone seems to know what style they are playing. Trent can't make long passes into the box if Kane is dropping to CM. Kane can't hold the ball up if he has no runners other than Saka off the right. Jude can't create if Kane and Foden are crowding the same space. At least in prior tournaments you could see that the attack revolved around Kane getting in the box and looking for crosses from Walker or Shaw or holding the ball up for runs from Sterling or Rashford. It was not pretty, but there was the outline of a system. Gareth does not know how to deploy these players. He brings off Kane and Trent, drops Jude deeper, then brings on players like Watkins and Bowen to make runs that would've suited TAA's passing or Kane's hold up play. Make it make sense.

Missing a Jordan Henderson or James Ward-Prowse

They are playing darts with the same journos that will slaughter them when they come home in the R16 lol

I can only hope he's told them to score one relax and save energy for the bigger games...because we plan to go balls to the wall in the knockouts but I'm not filled with huge confidence

England and southgates issue is that he’s playing players with contrasting attributes, Trent is pointless in midfield when there’s no one infront of him to run onto his crosses.

This conversation could have been happening at nearly every tournament from the last 50 years . I’ve been done with England for about a decade, and never felt better. I wouldn’t get worked up over this, it’s happened before, and will again.

I think people who don’t rate Henderson should now realise what a player like him brought to the team between 2018-2021. A leader, defensively and tactically strong and someone who could link the defensive and attack

bench trent for mainoo or gordon whichever way you want to play the system. Not complicated

Kane rice and Bellingham have been absolutely shocking

To give an outsider prospective on things, it seems England are confused in every single aspect. The fans don’t know what they want, Southgate looks confused, and the players seem confused with the instructions. In my opinion you can’t expect to figure it out mid tournament. That’s what the qualifiers and friendlies are for. England just use them as tryouts instead of already having a squad set to gain chemistry together.

In this two games England had midfield worth 400 million at least and they kept playing long like a championship side...

Grealish was needed

He should have gone after the final with Italy.

The Belgium disrespect gonna bite them in the ass.

Problem is with Southgate playing defensive football rather than attacking and not just defend after one goal

"Are the players that we are bringing in ready for this level?" What is that guy on about. Out of everything wrong with their performance in this tournament thus far, he decides to start with that.

I've been resigned to believing that we cannot keep possession of the ball & pass successfully in international football. In the Denmark game we were trying to play out from the back but were pressed so high we panicked & couldn't find a man. Eze came on & lost the ball tons trying to force it. Watkins stretched it immediately & Kane needs to be off at HT if he continues to play so deep. The least you expect is some pressing & running in behind from English players but this is over 20 years + of England player squads. We sadly will not have a better chance to win a trophy than we did in a home tournament in Euro 2020 in my lifetime. Prove me wrong England!!

Ahhh Hugh Wizzy has finally returned

This analysis is wild, they’re talking like there are 10 different issues (except Adam who views it all as a neutral). In actual fact it’s all on Southgate and his cowardly tactics and experimental midfield. To take Mainoo, Gordon, and Palmer and only use Mainoo so far for 20 mins as a number 10 is madness.

I think the whole squad look tired.

sending eze, bowen and watkins on at the same time were essentially 3 one for one subs and with no tactical change just goes to show that Southgate is clueless and is relying on a .moment' from one of the world class talents on the pitch.

did they say Italy underrated?? they literally didn't play football/turn up

Awful game from bellingham, looked so tired. Needed to take him off. Foden wasnt great, kane doesnt move. They need to get it together soon

England played the SAME in both games and had the exact same game plan for both games. Southgate has them playing for 1-0 wins when they should be playing for 3-0 smashings with the talent they have. they should be on the front foot just like Spain and Germany have been.

Saying most teams in the premier league are better than Denmark just shows how little football theses guys watch outside the premier league…

“Southgate has been brave” any Sunday league manger can throw there best talents into a staring 11 😂

Is strange to play Trent in midfield whilst instructing Rice to stay defensive. Basically two DMs who arent good at consistently advancing the ball. Especially since Jude is not particularly mobile

I don't think this group of England players are coping with the pressure of the expectation their overall level of talent has brought them. The spirit of recent years seeing themselves as underdogs can work well enough but it's a whole new level where they can be expected to give more. That shows a lack of leadership at all levels where players stop doing even the basics right and mentally retreat instead of pushing each other on. The lack of reaction in game tactically and individually is tragic.

Sitting back after going 1-0 up is the worst game plan I’ve ever seen. That’s what we keep doing, my eyes aren’t lying to me.

He wont bring Gordon in, but i can see Gallagher playing

I have to give it to Rory he speaks in howlers

Put Trent RB, wheater, mainoo, bellingham cm, gordon left, foden centre, saka right, Watkins upfront.

Should’ve taken grealish should’ve taken rashford shouldn’t have played a right back in midfield and shouldn’t have played the best attacking midfielder in the prem on wing. I’ve supported Southgate as think he’s done well in previous tournaments compared to what came before him but feels like he’s lost the plot this time around

Yes, Grealish had a bad club season. Was battling injuries & issues in his personal life. Regardless, he wasn't good. But Jack's game is tailormade for international football. Where his ability to hold up play, work rate, unique ability to draw fouls. Can win you the free kick, that makes the difference in a tough international fixture.

Mkola speaking facts and thats hard to say being a liverpool fan lol

“Comadetrie” lol

Great thumbnail boys

to be fair he brought watkins on who nearly made an instant impact from running in behind, the issue is he took trent off 10 minutes earlier who is the best at playing that ball, play them both at the same time aswell as gordon and bowen on the wings and trent will run the game

Oh yeah because Terry and Lampard won lots of European trophies

They need to get that killer instinct and Gareth needs to stop looking worried on the sideline

Southgate is so wasted on this squad. It's like giving a Michelin star restaurant to a McDonald's cook

I have said this before, every international team has an identity, the way they play, even if it is really physical or balls over the top, we don't have one and thats a problem, you are supposed to create a system then pick the players to fit into it, not pick all your mates and try and squeeze them in.

Guehi has been one of our best players - not ready😂😂😂😂

From at outside perspective just coming up with it on the spot rn. 1. Why play Trent in the midfield if you have no one supplying the runs he needs to be impactful? 2. You have game changers on the bench but the manager is too scared to upset the “starboys” you have in the starting 11. 3. Absolutely no tactics or any sense of identity as a team. Just send it long and hope someone makes something happen out of nothing. 4. Foden, Bellingham, Trent all playing out of position. 5. Manager is Below Average at best.