What went wrong in New Zealand? 

Neither National or Labour have run the country for the people properly,for at least 35 years. Left wing, Right Wing,same Bird.

"Look, the Empress has no substance."

Jacinda Ardern is most definitely NOT ‘a very nice woman’. She is a pretty good actress & NZ hates her

Frauds always appear " kind " and warm at first.

It’s obvious these two don’t live in NZ, they have probably got most of their information from watching other media. So many inaccurate statements were made. Maybe get some people who actually live here to talk about what is going wrong.

People are sick to death of dear Jacinda,she's on the way out,not soon enough

This guy on the left thinks Jacinda is a very kind person. Just look at how she treated the protestors at parliament and decide if you think she is a very kind person. Its her way or the highway.

Her days are numbered and the political abyss beckons! This New Zealand is not the one I grew up in. It's time to give the minor parties a shot!

This is actually the least bias commentary on what is happening in NZ I have seen

Nigel Farage is NOT a thug, quite the gentleman actually. Muldoon was no thug either...But he was tough and forthright in his conservative views.

The answer's simple. Jacinda Ardren is what went wrong in New Zealand.

I found the critique of Jacinda's virtue signalling when she formed a government with Winnie, very interesting because this was why I instantly disliked and distrusted her. She grabbed power by putting as Deputy PM, a very divisive person who had tiny voter support, and then she immediately started spouting on that she had a mandate to do things. Disingenuous and narcissisitic to her very core.

Really interesting discussion far superior in depth of analysis than anything on BBC. I have to admit that I detest Ahern people who admire her tend to be similar to her in that they confuse virtue signalling with virtue

National party has same agenda !

Not one of you addressed the real situation in nz or the world for that matter you’re all 3 blind. There’s a huge push for one world govt one world currency one world religion that’s going fwd with gusto in nz I hear, that will bring into focus why the Arderns govt is labelled rightfully tyrannical.

28:45 'Don't tell me what to do with my shower head'. Well quite, let's keep the government out of that decision!

politician shouldnt have shares in the vaccine and drug companies ?

That Jacinda is kind is debatable, when you have her saying after a reporter from the Herald asked about the creation of two classes of citizens - between the vaccinated and unvaccinated - Arden said: "That is what it is." We have lived in a nanny state for years, when people need to be told what is right then there's already trouble. No laws can make people ethical or moral people, only the people themselves can do that, but it takes being an adult and not a child

Helen Clark not only wanted to regulate the size of shower heads for environmental reasons she regulated what type of electric light bulbs we could buy.

Comrade Ardern A Legend in her Own Mind!!!!!

Jacinda is horrible, she fooled me once, not again. She's cruel.

For two New Zealanders on the show the amount of factually incorrect information is quite disturbing

This bullshit here’s the rundown National ran the show Key stood down the party imploded and Arden took advantage simple and she’ll remain until National get their shit together

Many country leaders have never owned or run a business yet they somehow get to run a country. The quality of politician has decreased within the last 4-5 decades in my opinion.

I’m a kiwi the new breed are weak once a very proud country sad to see

Always find Jamie Whyte fascinating to listen to, shame he doesn’t officially work for the IEA anymore to get more content from him

Intelligent discussion. Thank you. I’m a bit more pessimistic about the economy. According to trading economics the government debt:GDP ratio went from 18.6% to 31.1% in just 2 years form 2019 to 2021. That's a catastrophe because none of that colossal sum of money was used to grow the economy. I can see government debt becoming even worse while temporary unemployment becomes permanent, particularly in the tourism and education sector. Anyway, why isn’t Jamie Whyte leader of the ACT party. He’s a hell of a lot more articulate and thoughtful than Seymour.

I loved this discussion. So interesting and informative.

This was really well presented and worth listening to, all through. Thank you.

Sorry but nigel farage is not a thug , so don’t make comparisons to someone that you consider a right wing thug with nigel farage

Jacinda is kind and inclusive of all those that agree with her, but to hell with everyone else. Her collectivist ideology will always justify sacrifice of the individual. In her mind even this is a form of kindness. She is a master propagandist, but similar to most of the NZ population she has a terrible knowledge of history. We are going to need to learn some lessons the hard way.

New Zealand first hasn't been around for a long time. The sheer misunderstanding of Aotearoa's politics amazes me.

I had to quarantine in Australia for two weeks (death of a parent). Same deal with soldiers doing the escorting and guarding, but confined to the room for the entire time. Thank you very much for this discussion, even though it's all bad news!

In NZ, crazy times for us ! Help

Never did I ever in my life expect to see a panel where Jamie was the most moderate.

no mention of three waters and the fact that Maori will have 50 % management without referendum, or being voted in by taxpayers, no mention of segregation of healthcare institutions, no mention of 50 % of Maori governance, this all amounts to apartheid by this government, comrade Jacinda has to be voted out just to save N.Z. from an awful future, as for the treaty of Waitangi, it has become a business, three short paragraphs have turned into a minefield of of claims that were never written in the treaty, racism is alive and well in N.Z. governance has to change !!

gosh i wished everything was as simple as these people see things

Interesting talk. Both speakers had some insightful things to say, but both made some glaring errors of fact. They are: - Sam says that the previous PM was John Key - it was Bill English. - Jamie makes a Freudian error with the name of the previous Labour leader - he is Andrew Little, not Richard Little. - Jamie says severe lockdowns ensued whenever cases popped up. Not true - there were occasions when it popped up, but contact tracers ran it into the ground (usually because the cases were close to the border). These cases just didn't make the news as often. - Sam consistently gets the PM's name wrong. It's JacinDa, not JacinTa. - Jamie says New Zealand was in a partial lockdown at the time that this was filmed. This is not true - the orange setting was not in any way a lockdown. Even red isn't a lockdown. - Jamie refers to immigration changes in the 90s - they actually occurred in the 80s with the passage of Immigration Act 1987. - Sam talks about the health and safety legislation to disparage the current govt, but this law was passed by the previous National govt. - Jamie says that he's the only one to have campaigned on repealing the RMA. Not true - National campaigned on this in 2020, and Labour is in the process of repealing it now. In short - both speakers make obvious factual issues, but Sam is the better informed of the two. But an interesting chat nonetheless!

Jucinder adern that’s what . She achieved making NZ the most expensive country to live in that’s what she’s done. As for covid she’s allowed entry to NZ even while covid was rife, even today I’ve seen air China heading for NZ.

Both major parties following neo-liberal "let's privatise everything" policies for the past 40 years has been NZs problem. If we don't urgently put some major reforms in place to undo the unsustainable levels of innafordability many Kiwis are living in, we will end up with favelas for the many and South African style fortress gates for the few. Our social contract that used to provide the vast majority with affordable housing (house price around 3x median income 40 years ago), upward mobility, free education, secure retirement, etc is broken and if "centre right" (and Labour might be fluent in "woke" and spout some lukewarm leftist rhetoric but their economic policies are right wing at the core) idealogues won't allow policies that provide real material improvements for the average person, we will eventually get the revolution we deserve.

just starting to watch this.....lol its Andrew little. this guy form uk is a fake . how can you make it up if you dont even know there names . thats right , you just make it up

Question....what went wrong in NZ....mmmmm..Jacinda Ardern got elected...thats it really.

The NZ PMs used to come to our House when they visited Niue,they couldn't party at Premier House,so mum being a cousin of the Govt family, offered our place. Dad was on the piss with Muldoon one night,and Muldoon told him some things,things that made dad tell me and my siblings,never vote National,they are going to ruin NZ. I always thought Labour were right leaning. Now I know.

Excellent interview. Thank you..

What happened to NZ? The voting of Jacinda Adern, a female version of Canada’s TOADdeau!

I wouldn't be taking Jamie & the other dude seriously when talking about Maori or our history.

The terminology "legalising" drugs was what caused the failure of the referendum. Had the question been "Are you in favour of decriminalising drugs?" the vast majority of the population would have said yes.

What about how Labour's hidden agenda with the He puapua? Is no one ever going to discuss this or is the roll out of Tribal rule by 2040 just going to continue without objection? Doesn't New Zealander's want to uphold democracy which their ancestors fought hard for? Jacinda is not full of "Kindness" - that's rubbish!!

Very interesting from a Kiwi living in the UK.

Since you can be prosecuted for defending your life (in New Zealand) I will not spend one penny there on vacation or business. I refuse to support a nation of compliant sheeple. Personal Freedoms should be celebrated, not quenched. Good video discussion. Thx

Labour will lose the next election because they have failed at delivering everything except apartheid which this video didn't discuss. Jacinda and her Maori MPs are introducing rights based on who your grandparents were including unelected ethnic based governance groups on infrastructure that didn't exist before the treaty. And it doesn't stop there, your health care, your justice system, your special privilege funding all comes down to if you have 1% or more Maori ancestry, and the public are not allowed a say in it. Democracy has been removed in NZ with Jacinda taking away any ability for the public to have any say in this. Make no mistake, NZ is currently under a dictatorship, foreign press are only just starting to wake up to this.

"they owned the land fair and square"....blech, NO they did not. You actually said you had no idea what was in the Treaty of Waitangi....well read it, then read it in Maori...two different treaties and most of the land in NZ was taken and given to those British expats who were then given the land deeds, even when they threw Maori a crumb by saying they could have it in name but any leases made were for 100 years...you try getting ahead with stupid low paying leases that lasted for generations. The farmers did so well they now "own" most of NZ, the Maori....well we all know what happened there!! So no, it wasnt owned fair and square.

I am in New Zealand and voted for Jacinda on her second term. And Yes, I plead guilty. But her second term is a kick in the gut for most middle-income families like myself. NZ was a country of opportunity and openness. Now it has transformed into a very closed system. One only has to take a walk on NZs main street on the CBD queen street. All you will see is roadblock, barriers, obstacles, and homeless. I can't say for others I will not be voting for her again. Not sure about Luxon either. He needs to prove himself.

Jacinda ardern is a fish and chip attendant who has been promoted beyond her level of ability

The woman is a two faced socialist tyrant, the worst prime minister I have ever experienced in my half century of life. The problem in NZ is we have no good political parties to choose from. We vote governments out because we are sick of them not voting in a good party on their merits. Not only do we have a poor choice of politicians our bureaucrats are probably worse and are not voted in or out. Our education system has been so influenced that what they teach now only fuels the madness in parliament with youth that have a very different understanding of history and politics. Unless this problem that is now firmly entrenched in our political and educational institutes NZ faces the risk of being torn apart by socialism and race based politics and health system. All of this is aided by 24/7 propaganda on all our media that is being paid off by the government.

And then there is the Zero-Covid policy, and . . . terribly slow organising of vaccines . . . . how is that panning out ? And who was she listening too ? Or has it been just been an opportunist mix of band-waggoning and denial ? Freedom? Fairness ? the Puritan streak ? Lots and lots of insights.

A Government that taxes an expense (interest on mortgage for a rental property). It beggars belief

The trees kept voting for the axe even though the forest was shrinking. But the axe was clever and said because my handle is made of wood, I am one of you. Turkish proverb.

Andrew Little, if you claim to know what you are talking about get the names right!

It wont matter which party because Maori for the past 182 years have stuck to and will not change what they believed the treaty clearly offered them. It’s basically a legal contractual document signed between two independent nations in goodwill and peace.The Maori culture and language belong to the entire country and the tribes have been and still are the gatekeepers and protectors until the whole country and our government respects it fully and is finally mature enough to look after it properly. There has been a significant change in attitudes in regards to our nation’s founding document/contract. National party has mostly regarded the treaty as a hindrance and nuisance however, by law if the rescind the document, by British law. Everything will revert back to original ownership prior to the signing. “Don’t shoot the messenger” and my personal favourite “don’t hate the player, hate the game”

Passed on to share... I have been seriously contemplating about posting this or not because there is already more than enough diversity between kiwis right now than ever before but stuff it!! Please note this is not a post on views or beliefs or a place to debate your views, this is just genuinely what I heard with my own ears and found it rather concerning. Earlier this week I was in wellington for work purposes, whilst I was there on Monday well over 100 police checked into the hotel I was staying at ( Allgood I was there for my job they were there for there's play on) Later that evening I was in the bar/restaurant for dinner and so was a few groups of officers and this is where I over heard a group of 6 police talking, laughing and carrying on about how the government had given them the permission to use full force on the protestors and how they had they had planted (infiltrators) violent undercover protestors and given them ammunition to cause trouble to allow the police with reason to use any force needed, joking about how they hoped not to get hit with their own bricks and how they couldn't wait to let loose with pepper spray..... Then as I'm standing at the bar getting my last drink before bed one officer who seemed a little intoxicated came to the bar, thinking I must of been one of them considering 99% of the hotel guests were police from all over he asked me "was I excited to be here an cause some mayhem" at quick thinking and not wanting to engage in conversation or lie to the guy I replied "I'm just here to find Clark Gayford mate" His reponse amazed me, "you won't find him here mate, he's up on his drug charges up north why do you think we have to wait until Wednesday to go in, it's all about distraction mate, I'm just looking forward to my bonus once we clear this scum out" Make of this what you will, it is word for word what i said and heard. Regardless of my views or yours on the protest itself the force then used on Wednesday against New Zealanders Young and old was totally disgusting considering it was all pre meditated and planned by our police and government regardless of how peaceful anyone was that day or who they were or why they were there. Again this isn't about any views or what I or you support this is genuinely something I found rather disturbing and goes to show how much our mainstream media and our government are twisting words and lying to us as well as covering things up on the daily, not to mention the PMs partner up on drug charges ??? Ps: Of course I reached out to people and media on this (surprise surprise they didn't want to know)

As a Māori NZer, i had to turn this video off at 26 minutes because so many things being said were offensive and completely incorrect. Particularly about the treaty and "Māori being happy with the treaty"... What a freaking joke!! I think this man hasn't met a Maori in his life 😱👎🤯 Both these men have made some very odd statements which make me wonder if either of them even reside in NZ, or have any real expertise in this area...???

Nigel F. is no thug. You sound ridiculous.

To much spending overdrive Nor Labour's Nor National too much spending and selling our country water to foreigners too many foreigners here in New Zealand

The Resource Management Act has caused the house issue in NZ. The protests in Wellington happening now show the real substance of the government ability to bring unity and prosperity to NZ people while the economy is suffering. Day of reckoning is starting with the protests and extremely low productivity issue never addressed.

NZ has lost its lustre. The so called leader should be in jail for her atrocities. She is vile.

So many businesses are in debt, over 90% of the population have their 2nd vaccinations

Enjoyed. Thanks

There is NOTHING kind about Adern. Anyone who can read body language or has an ounce of intuition can see it's all put on. She is an actor, she tricked most NZers with her 'kindness' re Christchurch massacre How convenient that incident was for her popularity albeit tragic. Do your listeners know it has been said her fiance has been charged with a serious drug charge (Whangerei Court) with name suppression, she cancelled her wedding but didn't say why, that her cousin is the Chief of Police. She chose the GG. I can't think of one party I would vote for in parliament at the moment. If she is the mother of NZ she is abusive to her people. I see her as the destroyer of NZ and is the protege of Helen Clarke and knows both the Clinton's and Gates. NZ stats say 53 died of Covid, it doesn't say over 800 people committed suicide because of lost businesses, lockdowns etc. She has changed the term suicide to accidental death. There are also jab deaths and injuries. She says it's misinformation but NZ is such a small country we know people with family members who have died, dying and are jabbed injured. She (like other countries) has paid our tax money to the MSM so they report her narrative.Quite a few believe if that is what the TV says then it must be true. The critical thinkers don't. Please do your own research.

The host of this interview is such a sweetie. 😎

No idea about New Zealand!!!!!

Jamie is my cousin ! Hi Jamie !! X

. . . I liked his insight into what Public Health is; viz; Health where we may be a danger to others versus personal health where we mainly endanger ourselves

Authoritarian, liberal, shower heads, smoking, what we eat, eating sugar, public health, RMA. Size of shower heads. We have had severe droughts where water has had to be used sparingly. Aotearoa New Zealand is long and skinny surrounded by ocean. We get most of our economic and development models from countries that sit within continents with vast hinterlands providing water catchments and land based resources. How we manage limited resources defines us. We could live through droughts using market forces allowing rich people to shower under multiple deluge shower heads, water their lawns all through the drought, wash their cars on their driveways letting the soapy engine oil and brake lining dust into stormwater drains and rivers and harbours and leave the poor to have dust baths with the sparrows. RMA gives enormous powers to NIMBYs. The so called inefficiencies of the RMA stalled a never used mothballed oil fired power station near Marsden Point from being converted to being coal fired. The decision was not based on environmental considerations but economic due to the cost of scrubbing mercury out of the exhaust, and the cost of dealing with the ash, and the cost to the local fishing industry that mercury poisoning would create. The RMA was created as a neoliberal project that brought together most of the existing environmental laws under various Acts into a one stop shop. The liberal side of it was that it is effects based not activity based legislation. It allows developers to challenge in court local government plans, it allows developers to make private plan changes to skirt around council plans, property developers can even pay planning consultants to write strategic plans for councils which they can adopt. Since liberalism has loosened up planning rules the protection of trees is greatly diminished and trees unless registered individually have no protection. This has led to 300, 700 year old trees being cut down to improve some wealthy peoples views. The Maori land issue in Auckland. Much of that land was confiscated during early colonial days. To return a couple of hundred acres of land out of hundreds of thousands is a small price considering the total real estate value of Auckland that everyone has prospered from. Smoking and sugar. Aotearoa New Zealand has very high rates of diabetes particularly for Maori, Island and Asian communities. One way of preventing diabetes is to reduce sugar intake, which is present in most cheap foods that the poor people in our low wage economy tend to buy. Diabetes is forecast to reach epidemic proportions in the next decades and a responsible government would do its best to take evasive action, even if it is for purely economic reasons, the cost of tying up hospital resources apart from human suffering. Anti immigration: anti foreign investment. The big support for migrants comes from property developers that want to turn farm land at farm land prices into residential housing blocks and massive profit margins. Migrants are cynically used as seasonal low paid labour on farms and orchards and vineyard, and in many trades and industries often in poor accommodation and conditions. This country has lax capital gains tax laws which have attracted property speculators from around the world. We hear stories of foreigners buying houses off the plan and leaving them empty of owners or tenants to make a capital gain. This does nothing to alleviate the housing crisis while creating competition in the housing market for building materials that keeps people that need houses to live in out of the market. Can't agree with much of what is presented here.

Emily kept the show moving a very informative on track piece. Kind - Nanny State: Resource Mngt Act: 2 Years to Election and Tanked Economy: Kiwi's do not want another mummy/nanny they want a strong Economy for everyone to enjoy.

A radical, sexist, racist and incompetent party was given authority - that is what happened. A lack of quality people in politics has led to this distaster but I sense things may be improving.

Many countries around the world were complaining about foreign buyers, mainly Chinese, around 2012 to 2016 pushing housing prices up in there major cities. Many countries introduced taxes and later taxing empty houses as well. It got so bad even the china government itself tried stopping such large amounts of money leaving its shores in 2017 . Nz put the ban in place in 2018 which made little difference because like many countries with extra low interest rates since the GFC there local investors took the batten after Chinas foreign buyers had started property inflation going

Be fair, the first 'Labour' government was a dodgy coalition that everyone thought was unlikely to last 3 years. Ardern held it together and Labour was re-elected with a majority. If we're going to judge Labour's performance, we should do it primarily on the current term. Governments under Ardern have been too much ideology and not enough proper research/preparation, but they have at least attempted to address infrastructure issues that were simply ignored by the preceding National governments. John Key did nothing except seek a photo opportunity, and unfortunately the good people in his government all retired when he did.

The Treaty is the unique difference compared to Canada and Scotland. To many Maori, the real issue has never been about foreigners buying property BUT, more importantly to Maori was WHO is selling the land. You cannot blame someone for having money to buy something that is id offered for sale. There are many other significant factors that your guest have not taken into account. For too many to list however, watch this space, it’s about to get interesting politically.

This is a fantastic discussion and well overdue. Jamie Whyte describes the New Zealand mindset in historical ethnic and religions terms and nails it on the head. Jamie untangles the threads of the complicated and paradoxical nature of NZ politics and the typical new Zealander voter succinctly and I think his descriptive image describing "Arderne as a Mother to the nation" is as close as anyone will ever get in explaining the relationship between Arderne and the people of NZ whom she currently presides over. Such a brilliant analysis and perfect analogy in my opinion.

Quarantine was in multiple countries not just here.

world events have impinged on NZ. EG . NZ was the cheapest place to enter for Chinese who didn't like the CCP takeover in Hong Kong. Pacific Islanders were allowed in to work in the fisheries a job no one else wanted . NZ is often used to introduce social experiments .The country has changed dramatically since being targeted NZ for immigration and took over all corner dairiez then gas stations which operate on cash basis .

One has to ask why so many New Zealanders have moved to Australia and won't go home

Ardern = world economic forum.... nuff said

The amount of pressure and stress most businesses are under, particularly hospitality, entertainment tourism etc many closed already, many hanging by a thread and now they are raising the minimum wage during this time. What the actual ???? Why on earth would they think this is rational... business for hospo is down 40% not to mention the huge losses from lockdowns and forced closures for positive staff etc. But the line at McDonalds and KFC etc has increased... the corporate machine have increased their wealth ten fold... Time to connect the dots perhaps? I mean what is going on?

so true thorf

Twenty minutes in, and this is fascinating. Thank you

These guys are thoes ones

They actually thought they could keep it out ! bonkers 🤪😂😂

A kinder country? It appears from here she has unravelled it at warp speed.

Wish Saint Jacqie,, would get those homeless off the streets of Auckland,,,looks a bloody eyesaw,,,when returning home for visits,,, seeing she's so kind and caring to foreign immigrants,,...

It is a pity you didn't find two people who new what they were talking about these two evidently half not spent much time in NZ for quit some time

Kinder society my foot!! Cruel experiment with dire consequences! There is a lot of nastiness here in NZ. All driven by Jacinda Ardern!

She is a WEF stooge. She no longer has support. She needs to go

Our leaders has the best training as Soap Opera Actors and Actresses they can run away or get away with the bad decisions they made, they dont do what is right they do things or stuff that generates likes and Loves.

I did I bit of research and most NZ heritage is English amongst the majority.

Good convo I especially enjoyed the analysis on the Scottish links and fairness more than freedom in NZ. Due to this disaster that is happening in NZ I think this is changing though and people are starting to not take their freedom for granted anymore and the trust in Government is shrinking really fast. We have been fed fear for 2 years as a country and now that everyone has had covid they are not in fear anymore and they are thinking that the government is clearly overeaching and that is not fair. Labour is now below National in the polls and Labour are scrapping closed borders and mandates etc which many in NZ clearly see as unfair given that the jabbed all get it and pass it on and these policies have destroyed the team NZ vibe. There is still some weak NZers that want Jacinda to be their saviour rather than have the freedom to save themselves but this is now a clear minority of kiwis.

I quarantined in January. It made my decision to leave.

Life in Nz became horrible

02:15 - Should be Andrew Little instead of Richard