What Went Wrong with the Comancheep? 

Lots of good opinions here... which is your favorite? Are you team Scorpion Crawler or team Comancheep? And why?

I think the scorpion crawler would be my weapon of choice because of the versatility. Both builds are great, but I think you just can’t beat the fun factor of the scorpion crawler.

Definitely the scorpion! You put alot of love into it and If my "beach jeep" build comes out half as good as the scorpion I'll be extremely happy!

All in all a good run I'd say. For it's first time out it did great (from what I could see). You can be proud of a really cool build that works. I'd choose the Comancheep because it has more of an enclosed cab. I'd be riding the trails as a single guy (my wife would never come to ride) so having the 4 seats would be a waste to me. I also like the idea of the one ton axles and the LS motor. I do appreciate the videos Matt. It's always fun to stop by the shop.

Scorpion... lower center of gravity, more seating, easier to control power, better ground clearance.... I could go on

Just went out to the mailbox and just got some free decals from you... awesome and thank you... some of the perks of being a Patron member.

Hey Matt! I like a little of both... hear is why: - Scorpion Crawler because of the 'Family friendly' seating and the simplicity of the stocking drivetrain. - Comancheep because of the power of the LS and the enclosed cab. I wheel near Jamestown, TN, and around middle TN... love having AC and not being covered in mud.

Scorpion crawler, I love the 4.0 for raw torque and simplicity to work on at home nothing against the LS but 4.0l is what I have had 5 times over and has never given me more than I can chew as far as repairing goes. Thanks for the awesome coverage you put out here....Dan

I enjoyed both builds, and think they've got there own personality. No matter which one your wheeling at any given moment your going to find yourself saying the other could have done it better. Wether its weight, wheelbase, tire size, motor or suspension. Keep it up Matt. 👍👍

Hey, Matt. Thanks for sharing your observations about the Comancheep. Looks like you had a lot of great fun in Moab. I'd go with the 4 seater. Unless i had a dedicated single seat rock bouncer style rig.

Scorpion mainly because of the double triangulated 4 link front and rear as well as the ori struts. Also seats 4 or has more room for storage.

I'd choose the Scorpion. Mostly because I feel like a lot more work went into building it. A labor of love so to speak. Plus the tried & true 4.0. I do appreciate a classic like the Comanche though.

Scorpion! I've always been a 4.0 fan, plus the clearance you mentioned. Just a good crawler setup.

Gotta go with the Scorpion Crawler! While the Comancheap is super cool I love the scorpion for its narrow 44s and 4.0 power. Dare to be different!

Hey Matt the Scorpion crawler No Doubt it's a Cherokee you got to love those Cherokees

Scorpion Crawler. Something about it just speaks to me. Its better looking, the half ton axles don't seem to have been a problem so far. I really like the 4.0 engine, but I like the LS as well so that is kind of a wash. It would be a closer decision between the two if you had the bed still on the Comanche.

Awesome job Matt.

I love both of them!! But the 4.0 is imo bullet proof and you really took your time building the scorpion crawler its 100% complete, where as the comancheep was a rushed job, and still has bugs to be worked out like you did on the scorpion . If you spent the same amount of time on both and had all the buds worked out I'd say the comancheep would end up being the better rig because you have learned what works from your previous builds and who doesn't love a v8!

They are both awesome machines. The scorpion in first place you got more money invested on front suspension and you can ride more people on it. The comanchep ones you fix all those detail's will be a beast.

I'd have to pick the scorpion. That being said, if/when you plate the front leafspring mounts on the comancheep, go ahead & fabricate in a roller mount & add some heavy duty rollers, (which you may have to custom fabricate, but I'm confident that you can!). That may allow it to "roll up" an obstacle enough for the tires to contact & start their approach.

Comanche. Love the 2 Door design. Such an unusual build.

Can't decide...they are both great!!!!!

I would rather have the 4.0, but then again I don't wheel the hard core stuff and like the bullet proof 4.0 for back country travel. Thanks for all the great videos.

Had the same issue with my fuel cell in my XJ. Ended up added a rollover valve plus all the loops and it seems to be working better now. Time will tell.

Scorpion. Prefer the cage and suspension setup. Hard to pass up a LS powered rig, but that's doable in the Scorpion at some point down the road. Hint. Hint. Either way you slice it, you did a fantastic build on both rigs. I'd be happy to own either one.

I'd have to go with the scorpion crawler I've had 2 xjs and love them and just like the look of the sub more. I also like the coil spring setup!

Hey, I would have to say the Scorpion, because I'm a Jeep Cherokee guy and I just love the way it looks and performs. I really like the Comanche and how it looks and performs.

I love the Cherokee crawler and I like how you are running the 4.0

If I didn't have my own rig, I would probably choose the scorpion crawler for the extra seating and storage, but since I have a Jeep that has seating for 4, I would choose the Comancheep for the cool factor, cause that beast is friggin cooooooool! Also, Matt, you're a dad, pun is ALWAYS intended! lol

Scorpion i personal like Cherokee better than any of the other jeeps love 4.0 its easy to work on. Love the channel keep up the good work. I enjoy all bleepin jeep content builds are my favorite

Comanche for sure these Colorado hills need more power than clearance. Also Comanches are sweet, love the look. Very unique.

I like both of them. But I think I take the Scorpion just because I think you spent a little more time on it and didn't rush it so much

Scorpion- 4.0 (easy for me to work on and tons of spare parts to be found on the trail), No leafs, 4 seats, retained allot of the XJ look, and love the ground clearance the pumpkins have. I would not kick the Comancheep out of bed though, you did an excellent job on it.

Hey Matt! Its Sten in California, I like the Scorpion better because it is a 4 seater and has more front clearance. I have a 97 Cherokee too. That said, the Comancheep is a tour de force in welding and fabrication. You did very well dude!!

I would choose the scorpion mainly because I became a subscriber around the time Matt was finishing up the jeep for his dad and the Scorpion was the first build I was around for from start to finish. So I’ve kinda got a sentimental attachment to it.

The Scorpion would have to be my choice. I like the Interior space and style of it. 4 seats for your Gal and buds is also more fun to me. Both are cool though. Great channel Matt/Crew. I have a cherokee and a comanche and the cherokee will always be my Baby. NAXJA/ Oct./ Moab/35th cherokee anny. See ya there?

Scorpion Crawler, more room for family or friends and coils in front instead of leafs👍 good work as always Matt. Both rigs are great though.

Love the comancheep! But if you were handing out keys, you're not, but if you were... gotta grab that scorpion! Maybe the scorpion doesnt scream jeep but that is what's so awesome about it; nothing left but the shield, lights, and hood... and that mystical 4.0 of course! ;)

Scorpion! I have a 2-seater already and more than 1 friend so.. + the Scorpion has storage for a longer trip. But I love them both, they are Jeeps.

I like the Scorpion. First of all it just looks tough. It has more room and even though I would prefer a V8 over a V6, I'm sure it has enough power to do the job ( I don't remember what the HP was.) But both vehicles are beautiful pieces of work and inspire me to keep working to improve my Jeep.

Easy one Matt, I'm old, ( my kids have kids !) so I only need a two seater, plus I love V8's and big rubber! But I LOVE THEM BOTH I watched all your videos building them and think they both are amazing!

Love the Jeeps and the video's!! I would pick the LS one ton Comancheep because I like how small and powerful it is!

I can't be forced to choose lol I'll take both. But I can't wait to get my Cherokee built

Comanche for sure!...just its look sold me..youll figure out the leaf spring issue..always love your stuff .. keep em coming! Xj driver for life here..[]llllll[]

Great video...at the 8:30 mark, you popped the hood with something that I've never before. Can you tell me what those are, and where you got them? Those seem really cool!

The Scorpion will always be my favorite. Only because of my passion of XJ's. I have a stroker Jeep inline, that puts out plenty for my build. Also, the Scorpion build was when I started watching.

I did not watch the scorpio's build, but only the comanchee's. i love LS-42's-ton axles-front weight of the comanchee. its a real spider. solid build not to many knicks, just pure fun with the codriver. 3 link is the way though. cheers!

What a choice to have to make.... Both seem more than capable. But I'd have to go with the Comancheep. An LS on one tons....and 42's..sweet. We.just hauled the tub off out YJ TODAY - our frame is a bit rusty.... might have to fab up a new one.... might do a front bumper like the comancheep...i love it Thanks..... Wheel on As for carrying gear in it...make a rack on the back...kinda what that back end is for.

For your fuel puking issue just add a catch can on the roll bar about half way between the top of the fuel tank and the roofline that way it's still able to breathe but it has an expansion chamber of sorts to hold the excess fuel and when the tank is no longer pressurized it can just dribble back into the tank

Comancheep Definitely I like how you incorporated the old truck body into the crawler. The scorpion is a marvel in engineering but lacks the depth of character that the Comanche body brings to the Comancheep.

Choose? Tough call. I like the Scorpion. I have kids so maybe I'm biased on the back seat? I do feel like there was more love put into it as well.

Love them both, but if it came down to it I'd be taking the scorpion crawler. Reasons being I like bringing people to ride with me, hence why I have a JKU, and I also prefer the suspension setup better. Great videos, keep em coming.

Scorpion crawler...hands down...a) SC helped me through my dovetail project. ..big time b) SC will take more people... c) not leaf springs...

I would choose the Scorpion because of the extra room for my lady and our dogs. The Comancheep is awesome though and I cant wait too see it after sed mods.

I'd also have to say the Scorpion, which surprised me because at the start of the build I was expecting to love the Comancheep. But the scorpion has better suspension, better clearance, more room (biased: I like Overland builds) and more functional all around I think. LS swaps are cool but unless it's a buggy designed for speed, sand, or snow I really don't see much gained over a properly geared 4.0. I also like that the scorpion is more true to the original jeep lines, even as a buggy.

for those front leaf spring mounts, weld a plate sideways across the front so it makes a U shape when looking down from the top. That'll be much stronger than welding a doubler on.

Commancheep The Commanche because of how it still largely looks like a Commanche. I like the Commancheep LS swap, but it looks like more of a hassle than it's worth, and this is coming from someone who loves his V8's. I definitely like the full width 1 ton axles. I really love the Interior of the Commancheep. It would probably get dirty but it just looks so stylish. Scorpion Crawler: The ORI struts on the Scorpion are amazing too. I would love those on a built rig. The four seats as opposed to the Commacheep's two seats are a major advantage. The 4 link front and rear is very good. The simple 4.0 inline six is a major pro. I would definitely pick the Scorpion Crawler. I think I also appreciate it more because of the many detailed videos you made of the entire Scorpion build.

I would have to say scorpion all the work you put into plus you keep the engine and it still perform great I got a Cherokee and the 4.0 is great

They are both awesome!

I will always be Team Scorpion Crawler.. Nothing wrong with Comancheep, but there were SOOOO many vids on the SC. I felt like I built that thing along side you. haha. Those vids are what made me love this channel!

I run demo derby and we run a pvc valve on top of our fuel tanks so they don’t build pressure and when we get rolled over it won’t let fuel out

Both are built to propose. Both are built with sweat, tear and blood as rust penetrant. Both are unique and both have their one of a kind characters. So, it's just a matter of how many seats you have to have be even happier. First Comancheap; and when I have my daughter, it's scorpion. They are both great cars and you're THE builder. Keep up the good work and best for the rest of your life. Cheers

I would pick the comancheep, I've dreamed about having a truck like that so my twin brother or my son (when he is older) and I could go do some trail rides with friends and family. I Also have the trans american trail on my bucket list and I'm sure the comancheep could handle that. love your work man keep it up!

Well if I had to pick it would be scorpion. I'm just loyal to the 4.0, love the clearance of not having tons on scorpion, love how much room it has. But honestly Matt there both amazing builds that's like asking someone to pick between a lambo or ferrari.....lol

You can call me a jerk if you want to but I would have still taken the CJ... that poor CJ! But that being said they're both bad ass and I have a real hard time choosing one over the other.

Why do I have to choose... lol , you have two different types of Jeep’s that can perform well in almost any conditions. What I like in the scorpion is the extra seats and some room in the back for tools and camping stuff. Also the front end of the scorpion is so much higher to clear and hit the rocks head on. I guess it’s like two different driving styles when approaching rocks but still getting over them. The Cherokee is no slouch in anyway. To me the Cherokee is a great daily rock climbing beast... if there is such a thing. Wow as I write this, it’s hard to really choose which one . Ok .... I can’t choose, I would love to have built both of them...opps you already did... envious no doubt.

I'd have to go with the Comanchee. I really like the profile and size of it, but mostly it's just the headlights. I can't get over how good those headlights look.

I think one thing I haven’t noticed in the comments is that it would be an honor to own a Jeep built by Matt himself. Regardless, of which Jeep it is and the bugs it has. The Camancheep and the Scorpion Crawler are both two incredible rigs and you can’t sit here and tell me that your own personal rig doesn’t have bugs. I know all three of the Jeeps I’ve owned have had bugs. My first Wrangler was succumbed to its frame rot and body rot. My second Jeep which was my Cherokee had some interior accessory electrical issues. It did have the 5.7 HEMI which was nice but it was to luxuries for its own good. The Jeep I currently own has a couple bugs as well. I have a bad rear track bar among a few issues. My rigs have grown, literally, and financially over the years as I have gotten older and more financially mature. Back to the question at hand. If I could pick one of the two Jeeps that you have built. I would pick the Scorpion Crawler. Quite honestly I miss the Zombie Jeep. I miss your old Green Crawler from way back in the day. I would pick the Scorpion Crawler because I watched every video in that series, some of them more than once, I was eager to see when you posted a new video. I followed that build so much that I found myself having conversations with my Jeep friends about it. It became a normal thing for us to talk about. I’ve been a fan of your channel for an extremely long time. About 5 years to be exact. To see where you started and to see where you are now. I see the Scorpion Crawler as the Heart and Soul of your channel. You built the Crawler YOU always wanted to have. Due to your RU-vid Success you made your dreams come true. That’s why I would undoubtedly pick the Scorpion Crawler. It was made with blood, sweat and tears. It was made from the heart. Right down to the Scorpion logo on the back.

The Scorpion is more of a Swiss Army knife by comparison. The Heep is a single purpose crawler. Even though the Scorpion is a bit less capable I think it would be more fun.

The scorpion crawler in my opinion is the better of the two. I just love the looks and stance on the scorpion crawler. But I would maybe take the LS and the one tons and swap them over on to the scorpion crawler

Scorpion. I love the 4.0 and the four seater. It just seems much more capable. Now if you would swap axels and tires from the Comancheep to the Scorpion. Now you would be talking.

I’d have to roll with the Scorpion. Because-better seating for family entertainment, drivability of drivetrain, suspension and approach angle clearance ( as you described ). That said, I love the theme of the Comancheep build, cheap being the key. Being the DIY guy yourself, drops the price of any build, as compared to buying a built rig or paying someone else to build it. Very nice rigs on both. And love your vids, you do a great job of describing work, and reasons for your approach on the builds. Keep it up!👍🏻👍🏻

Id choose the scorpion, as much as i love v8s and one tons and Comanches, the 4 liter is solid bulletproof motor and with the right drivetrain, and driver behind it, will go over just as much as the Comanche. Ls is overkill if you ask me. Food for thought. Comanche axles and scorpion suspension

The Ls 1 ton. I really like how you built the jeep. It should have had a 3 link like you mentioned. But it is what it is. I would drive it. All day every trail

When you completely customize tour suspension it's all untested waters. It's not bad for a truggy Matt just a few tweaks and some more $$$ and it will be set.

I love both of them. But I would take the scorpion. And that is because I am a huge fan of the 4.0 all my jeeps have one in it and with it being a 4 seater I can take my family out with me. That's really nice especially if I'm out cruising the back timber

Lots of scorpion crawler fans here but I’d have to choose the comanche, does it need a linked front to solve your approach angle issues? Yes, but I have a feeling it will get it in time. Nothing beats an ls and tons. You went everywhere you pointed it on the shakedown run.... with a few tweaks that thing will be unstoppable

Scorpion crawler; IMHO it’s built better, suspension, cage, looks, yea it could use 1 tons but it hasn’t broke yet and I can’t stand building something with 2 seats. The more friends or family on the trail enjoying it with you the better. Both are very nice and different rigs. Well done sir.

your front leaf spring hanger issue would be easily solved by adding some ''rollers'' onto the brackets, looks like the bolts are already long enough to add a couple of round pieces of 1/4 plate about 3" diameter (think- "Oversized/thick flat washer") on either side of the leaf hangers- they will still make contact with rocks, but they will roll as they contact the rocks. eventually they will bend but they can easily be replaced & hopefully protect the hanger a bit, but mainly serve as a "wheel" to aid in getting the tires to contact the hard surface without having to adjust your approach angle

I couldn't decide... So my 92 Cherokee 3 inch lift,33's 4.0 half ton and I'm building a 2004 grand 4.7, auto going 6" 4 link and I need a set of 1 ton axles. Go Team Comancheep!!!

Love them both! But I have at least four people so Scorpion only because of the capacity.

I love the 4.0 AND I know it, plus I like to have that extra space. The Scorpion gets my vote.

I would chose the Camancheep , it was an awesome build , and I like the 1ton axles , even with the lower front clearance , oh and I like the trans , Great job

Can you get leaf springs with more arch and a shorter front section from the axle to the front hanger? This might solve a few issues, as more clearance and you would have a better approach angle because you could put the hanger behind the bumper instead of under and in front of it. Also if you gusset the spring hangers they would be stronger than flat plate, also with some arch to the spring you could shorten the hanger to get it to ride level and because it would be shorter and closer to the bumper it would be stronger, less leverage would apply on it. Just a couple suggestions and observations, great build and I like that you show what worked and what didn't, not

Try adding a longer bolt and heavy duty caster to the front spring hanger to help the approach angle issue...Like the Comanche but the Scorpion seems more user and family friendly.

Both awesome rigs but I'd choose the comancheep, firstly for the style as it looks awesome, then bigger tyres, bigger engine, closed cab, it just needs to be linked up front to be perfect imo! I guess it comes down to what you are doing, if you wheel somewhere far from your camp and need a lot of stuff then the scorpion is better, but for short range rock trails the comanche would surely be my choice

I will take the scorpion crawler!!! You should bring it to Alaska... Denali national park has some of the wall trails!!!!

Comancheep hands down. The reason why.. because it has character. The scorpion is awesome but it's a buggy.. a bad ass buggy.. But a buggy none the less. Be very proud of both of them.

How about putting hard rubber rollers on the front leaf spring mounts? They would absorb shock and lift the front just enough for the tire to get a grip on the obstacle. They could bolt on so that you could remove them easily.

Scorpion. Seating for 4 is nice, even if it’s just used as storage You can always LS swap the scorpion or upgrade axles Honestly Comanche driveline in the Scorpion, 1 ton and done!

Seems like running some leaves up front with a little bit of lift, maybe 3 or 4 inches, and moving the front mount up and trimming the spring hanger would help your front approach angle, and keep your springs from collapsing...

Comanche for me because of LS power, one tons, and bigger tires. I would definitely have to fab up something for the rear to accommodate more storage and such. Both great crawlers.

Comanche, I like being able to roll up the windows when it’s cold and muddy. Plus ls and tons are life time parts you can swap from rig to rig as you smash them.

To add another point about the contact with the crank pulley - Your engine is sitting 4-6 inches lower than a normal LS swap in an XJ/MJ. If it was mounted closer to the stock engine location that would have not been an issue.

Scorpion crawler ftw!!!! Have a pic of it as my laptop background 👍👍👍👍

Both are awesome . Would love to have them both . But if I could only have one . It be the scorpion crawler.. has room for the family so no one has to stay in camp . But you did a great job on both so be proud sir ..

I’d take the LS with the 1 tons. I’m in Florida now, so 24” is plenty. If I was still in Oregon I’d swap the leafs out though...

I would pick the Scorpion Crawler, the main reason being that you put tons more time into building it, and every little detail was well thought out, and I'm not saying that the Comancheep was built poorly, but I just believe that you have a lot more love into the Scorpion Crawler, and there were no corners cut, because there didn't have to be.

I think if I had to choose I’d go with the Comanche. Because I am a big fan of the LS’s i just absolutely love those engines. Also the reverse manual trans I really like the idea of that. Lastly referring to the 1 ton axles, when it comes to vehicles I like things beefy I like my truck, mud truck, crawler, whatever it is to be able to take a hit. However I do still love the scorpion crawler! Great job on both I enjoyed watching the builds

both are cool builds but i have two kids that go wheeling with me so the scorpion crawler would be a better match for me......on the side note im starting to 1ton swap my 93 xj alot of it has to do with the videos iv watched from you keep the builds coming