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What Will BURN THROUGH First? (Dual Action, Rotary or Forced-Action) | DETAIL MYTHS DEBUNKED 

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This video is sure to catch the attention of Detailers around the world! It's time to finally debunk the age-old question of which style of polisher cuts the FASTEST! What will burn through the Clear Coat first? Dual Action Orbital? Rotary? Forced Action? Let's find out!
It's very rare that you get the opportunity to get THREE detailers to run THREE machines on ONE hood. The idea behind the video is simple, find out which machine will cut the fastest while eliminating as many variables as possible. The Dual Action, Rotary, and Forced-Action were all equipped with the SAME pad, SAME compound, and calculated to run at the SAME speed. This video was made to show just how long it takes to actually damage paint. You would have to stay in the same spot for several minutes to even make a dent in the coating with the style of pad and compound we used. Hopefully this proves that polishing is not as scary as it looks.
The Hood you see was pulled from the junkyard after extensively measuring the paint thickness to assure that the starting point was as close as possible for all 3 machines. The taped off areas were measured to be as close to each other in thickness as possible. The rules were simple, run the machines for a period of time and measure the depth of the paint and heat between sessions. Pads were all cleaned at the same time to create an equal playing field. What happened in the end was what we LEAST expected.
What did you think would cut through the fastest? Dual Action vs. Rotary vs. Forced Action. Let us know in the comments!
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@GreenWitch1
@GreenWitch1 2 года назад
Good to see how long it takes to break through the clear coat. As a newby, this is very helpful!
@cgttc0441
@cgttc0441 4 года назад
Really helpful video, btw no dull moments in detailing. Love ya guys
@MasterOfShine
@MasterOfShine 4 года назад
charissa thomas Thanks so much!!!
@jaimedpcaus1
@jaimedpcaus1 6 месяцев назад
This was an awesome video! 👌 It built my confidence in polishing my car ( I've never done this before). This was a fun video, enjoyable, and I learned so much. I watched this at the end of 2023, and it's still very effective to watch today. For a beginner or anyone that hasn't done this, it should be very useful! Thank you very much.
@Ozzcaddy
@Ozzcaddy 4 года назад
Great video to watch the 3 Amigo's - Ole', demonstrating the 3 different machines with Yvan breaking through the clear coat first. Yvan has never wavered from his statement that at slow speed, you will cut much quicker than at a higher speed, which again he proved correct. Well done. Stay safe everyone with this coronavirus.
@kellyspann9845
@kellyspann9845 3 года назад
Great video. My polisher finally gave up on me and I was wondering what kind I should get. This really helped me out a lot. Now I know what to get. My paint is pretty old but is in great shape. I really take care of it. Thanks so much for making this video. It was fun to watch.
@CarignanDavid
@CarignanDavid 4 года назад
Amazing video guys! Thanks for sharing!
@DetailerPauloAssuncao
@DetailerPauloAssuncao 4 года назад
Very, very interesting and educational!! Thanks guys!
@britishrocklovingyank3491
@britishrocklovingyank3491 4 года назад
This is so my kind of video. Long and detailed. LOVE IT!
@britishrocklovingyank3491
@britishrocklovingyank3491 4 года назад
@@theragcompany If you ever think, "This is too long and we went down a rabbit hole." you are doing it right.
@MasterOfShine
@MasterOfShine 4 года назад
Jonathan Beckham Thank you!
@mallymac9761
@mallymac9761 4 года назад
Wow strangely one of the most interesting detailing videos I’ve watched. Thanks guys think this will help a lot of folk
@LacroixCruiser
@LacroixCruiser 4 года назад
Mally Mac it was fun to make as well.
@ral8031
@ral8031 3 года назад
Thank you so much for this video! This takes away the fear of this process! Subbed! 👍
@Dadvbz
@Dadvbz Год назад
Such an informative and fun video. Watched the whole thing!!
@finaltouchautodetailingllc
@finaltouchautodetailingllc 4 года назад
This is actually some great info, thanks for taking the time to do this test to show your findings for what they are! Keep the videos comming
@MasterOfShine
@MasterOfShine 4 года назад
Final Touch Auto Detailing llc Your welcome!!
@finaltouchautodetailingllc
@finaltouchautodetailingllc 2 года назад
@@willsrestorations That's ok, I'm entitled to my delusions, I'm just a hack anyway. Actually I'm pretty retarded. Since you have been in the business for so long I'm sure you have all the answers anyway, not sure what you are doing watching something so below you and your skillset. Have a wonderful rest of your day.
@timsproautospallc8973
@timsproautospallc8973 4 года назад
Great video guys loved it!
@QuantumMuch
@QuantumMuch 3 года назад
These guys have respect for each other and it’s hard to find that in the car detailing business
@richardhowle1220
@richardhowle1220 2 года назад
What?
@noelroga4593
@noelroga4593 4 года назад
Was waiting for this video.. Eye opener. Thanks guys
@noelroga4593
@noelroga4593 4 года назад
@@theragcompany truly enjoy it.
@dralitahir
@dralitahir 3 года назад
I had bought a rotary as a beginner to polish my cars and I was returning it for a dual action polisher today. Watched this video at the last minute haha. Gave me confidence with my rotary. Will keep it
@brandonmunoz6931
@brandonmunoz6931 4 года назад
Thanks guys! Definitely eased my rotary anxiety
@MasterOfShine
@MasterOfShine 4 года назад
Brandon Munoz it takes a while to master, but nothing to be scared of. Slow is the easiest way to start!
@mcalette
@mcalette 3 года назад
Most awesome video. Thank you! Always love the knowledge Ivan brings to these videos!
@biggiefitz6275
@biggiefitz6275 4 года назад
Boom! Gotta love rotary lol. Excellent video guys!
@mmuller3233
@mmuller3233 4 года назад
Great useful info. Well done boys!
@rickycolon4053
@rickycolon4053 4 года назад
Quite interesting. Love these "real world" validation test videos. Great job guys! (now excuse me while I go and buy a paint thickness gauge!) 😁
@MasterOfShine
@MasterOfShine 4 года назад
Ricky Colón Hell Yeah!
@hi-definitionautodetailing3423
@hi-definitionautodetailing3423 4 года назад
Great video guys. Maybe this will take some of fear out people that are scared of the rotary.
@marcosperez-heranadez848
@marcosperez-heranadez848 3 года назад
This really does give me more confidence to try a machine instead of hand polishing
@marcosperez-heranadez848
@marcosperez-heranadez848 3 года назад
This means so much to me thank you
@Detailers-Business-Academy
@Detailers-Business-Academy 3 года назад
No need to be afraid of a machine, if you’re concerned try first on a junk yard panel.
@mthpowerwash4285
@mthpowerwash4285 3 года назад
Detailers Business Academy, with Yvan Lacroix once I buy stuff for paint correction I’m gona buy some junk hoods to sit out in weather to try products
@gregkimura5906
@gregkimura5906 3 года назад
Don't worry about a machine. Use a foam pad and don't stop on sharp edges. Keep the pad moving and you'll be fine! And it goes much faster than hand polishing!
@gokblok
@gokblok 3 года назад
Me too homie
@vanditm6021
@vanditm6021 4 года назад
I have been waiting for this video.... 👍👍👍
@r3ktfahdle120
@r3ktfahdle120 4 года назад
Cool video guys 🔥
@filiplaskovski9993
@filiplaskovski9993 10 месяцев назад
Best video ever!! Truly well done
@robi4387
@robi4387 Год назад
That was so interestful. Over 10 minutes in the same patch with an orange pad and no pressure to cut through from 125 microns to 80 microns.
@pranav8234
@pranav8234 3 года назад
The best channel for us aspiring detailers, this channel is more like a precious and most informative academy rather than just a RU-vid channel.
@detailingyoda1652
@detailingyoda1652 4 года назад
Yes guys!! Stuff like this is what we want! 👍👍
@JACKS252
@JACKS252 Год назад
Awesome test. Thanks for the information.
@danmorrissette4814
@danmorrissette4814 4 года назад
Awesome!! and the winner is~!!! ;-)-
@jessicacopeland1644
@jessicacopeland1644 3 года назад
Best comment of the show "heat does NOT cut". EXACTLY. Heat is the LACK of cut. Heat comes from energy being but into the workpiece, but material not being efficiently removed.
@JimLake.Junior
@JimLake.Junior 11 месяцев назад
lol. That isn’t what heat is. It’s the byproduct of in this case friction which is avoidable to an extent but required to do the job. Friction always causes heat and you cannot do anything from polishing to sanding to cutting sheet metal without it.
@mcrowley8460
@mcrowley8460 2 года назад
3:07 Levi was sleeping at the lights. Good vid thanks.
@ktms1188
@ktms1188 3 года назад
Isn't the major benefit of a DA Polisher that it will slow to eventually stop when wedging in edges or over pressure is applied? That along with the random nature of it's movement allows it to hide the more amateur polishers mistakes?
@bensroka1210
@bensroka1210 4 года назад
Sir Yvan in a hoodie? I don’t believe my eyes!
@MasterOfShine
@MasterOfShine 4 года назад
He is a fan of comfort and efficiency!
@Detailers-Business-Academy
@Detailers-Business-Academy 3 года назад
The TRC swag is so comfortable and well made, I couldn’t resist.
@amrana9749
@amrana9749 Месяц назад
😂
@matthewgibb2640
@matthewgibb2640 4 года назад
Great video guys. Next video should be which finishes best. Rotary should win most times but not always necessarily. Variables
@edsonherald3720
@edsonherald3720 2 года назад
! ! ! AWESOME ! ! ! ! ! ! EXCELLENT ! ! ! ! ! ! CRUCIAL ! ! ! ! ! ! SIMPLY, THE BEST POLISHERS COMPARATIVE REPORT EVER ! ! ! ! ! ! THANK YOU GUYS VERY SO MUCH ! ! ! Best Regards ! Ed Weekend Warrior São Paulo, SP
@illusionzauto
@illusionzauto 4 года назад
Wow a DA going through the clear first and the rotary didn't? OH MY WORD.
@illusionzauto
@illusionzauto 4 года назад
@@theragcompany Yeah if i had bet money i would have lost because i was rooting for the rotary to burn first. So in the case scenario for mobile detailers that work outdoors in the sun..... would this be the opposite where maybe the rotary would burn through first?
@dossegundos7145
@dossegundos7145 4 года назад
I guess it would be interesting to do one test in the sunlight, my guess is, things would level up, if not the same results as this test.
@dujevideka1230
@dujevideka1230 3 года назад
Detailers with $300 Bigfoots on life support
@dougrobinson8602
@dougrobinson8602 3 года назад
When you lighten the load on a DA and hold it perfectly flat, you will get a lot of rotation. I would like to have seen marks on the backing plates to show the rotation.
@Akumabrah
@Akumabrah 3 года назад
​@@illusionzauto I think the results would be the same but if its that hot, the forced action would probably melt the clear coat. Because the rotary wasn't even the hottest one AND it was cutting the least amount which was interesting
@KeepUpWithFitness
@KeepUpWithFitness 3 года назад
Great video guyz, at what speed were running your machines. Slowest or highest?
@GabrielGarcia-ve9sg
@GabrielGarcia-ve9sg 2 года назад
Wow… good to know! Thanks guys!
@strumpeteer
@strumpeteer 3 года назад
A fun interesting comparison -love it! Maybe the amount of weight applied on each machine against the paint need to be measured next time around.
@mura0
@mura0 Год назад
was just thinking of that. Maybe the ROT is the lightest of the 3 machines and its weight did not affect the cut as much as the other machines which by the way look heavier.
@frankgarber1051
@frankgarber1051 4 года назад
Great video. Would you mind sharing a link to the pad cleaner you were using?
@veeray1
@veeray1 Год назад
Very helpful video ❤
@MindbodyMedic
@MindbodyMedic 3 года назад
this is a superb test, how the hell does it have so few views? thermal camera and everything set up
@DetailingJourney
@DetailingJourney 3 года назад
It's too scientific to non detailer people. Only detailers enjoy this kind of video
@Kiddsworld66
@Kiddsworld66 3 года назад
Well, I also they should have applied SLIGHT pressure, to really show how the machine can cut, and also to keep the machine steady for the most efficient cut. But really doesn’t matter pressure or not, it’s more about keeping it steady. The rotary was not kept steady at ALL when the 3rd guy left and it had to be 2 manned.
@officialWWM
@officialWWM Год назад
Because it’s boring.
@markmoore6264
@markmoore6264 4 года назад
Another awesome video guys , love my Dewalt Dwp849 rotary over in the UK , just got some Lake Country Ccs pads to try out , the rotary gets a bad rep here in the UK but once mastered they really are an amazing machine .
@DarkAngel-vs3om
@DarkAngel-vs3om 2 года назад
Would you recommend Dewalt for beginners? As I was told not to start with rotary as I can damage paint and to start with dual but this video showed otherwise lol
@markmoore6264
@markmoore6264 2 года назад
I've recently got the cordless Dewalt Da and find this a fantastic machine and a better machine to start machine polishing .
@DarkAngel-vs3om
@DarkAngel-vs3om 2 года назад
@@markmoore6264 thank you I will look into it might get one myself
@NickVetter
@NickVetter 3 года назад
This was reassuring that I can compound and polish my car when it's needed and not destroy it
@clawmachinetime955
@clawmachinetime955 3 года назад
It depends on the paint these guys are not real professional detailers I am over 20 years now a DA forced rotation will burn through the clear coat if you don’t no what you are doing
@JDMJDK
@JDMJDK 4 года назад
Wow! I didn’t expect that result? Great video guys!!
@STATUSDETAIL
@STATUSDETAIL 3 года назад
Great video 🙂👍
@aref6561
@aref6561 2 года назад
this was great thank you
@TM-zk3os
@TM-zk3os 4 года назад
I have all three polisher and thought that the most cut would be in this order: rotary, flex, DA. Eye opening for sure! Thanks guys, Loved it!
@MasterOfShine
@MasterOfShine 4 года назад
T M Definitely surprised me!!
@broncoupe
@broncoupe 4 года назад
Like you I have all 3 polishers and got far more predictable results
@fastinactivity
@fastinactivity 4 года назад
Would be nice to see with a foamed wool pad instead
@Lagoyaz
@Lagoyaz 3 года назад
@@fastinactivity Might be interesting but foam pads are the most consistent on all machine's. Anything else will lean more to rotary or dual action movement.
@gregkimura5906
@gregkimura5906 3 года назад
@@fastinactivity Agreed! But also use all the machines at the same setting - isn't this how we use machines? I don't know the rpm of any of my machines. I just use the setting based on feel, pad and polish.
@rmorris3722
@rmorris3722 3 года назад
Makes me more comfortable, I washed my car today and I hand polished the spots and it looks great. This a brand new car. Hard water spots here and there. Waiting for more products to come in to try to remove them. I have a random orbital unit. Man it's hot outside, that A/C in the garage is not far away!
@marioskosmidhs9454
@marioskosmidhs9454 4 года назад
Great video
@GstarCurtis
@GstarCurtis 4 года назад
Amazing and interresting video! I have no idea how much cutting power said compound has, but what about Meguiars M101 or M100?
@lukefernandez3492
@lukefernandez3492 3 года назад
Thank you for such an in depth video. I always get annoyed when jargon and marketing takes priority, so this video is really helpful!!
@SomeMadRandomPerson
@SomeMadRandomPerson 4 года назад
WOW surprised about the DA 😧 who knew? Great video guys 😎👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿
@ObsesifAdam
@ObsesifAdam 3 года назад
informative video and thanks for sharing it with us :) How about polishing the whole paint by using rotary but with one hand and holding back of the rotary :)
@KiaTia09
@KiaTia09 4 года назад
Great vid how do you like that paint thickness gauge?
@seugeniogonzaleze9296
@seugeniogonzaleze9296 3 года назад
Very nice test, thank you! Which DA was used by Yvan? How long the throw it had (15 or 21 mm)?
@vijetouk2791
@vijetouk2791 10 месяцев назад
So when the video started.. I thought to myself.. this guy's voice sounds super familiar. Then a couple minutes go by and I start to get flustered as I am almost positive I know who this voice belongs to.. as I'm running back through my subscribed channels.. I see a name on dudes button up. 😅 AllDayAnthony!!. 😂. How's the Civic?. Appreciate all the informative videos you & everyone else puts out for all the car enthusiast out here!. Thank you guys from the PNW!.
@thinknewlife5702
@thinknewlife5702 3 года назад
Love the content and information! Can you fix the “bubbles” mentioned around 14.30… just bought a new to me SUV and the hood has them and what looks to be a burn through spot developing as well. Any help appreciated!
@GDavis49
@GDavis49 4 года назад
I’m pretty sure the Diet Pepsi can on the hood, fresh out of the New Air fridge, gave Levi an unfair advantage.
@MasterOfShine
@MasterOfShine 4 года назад
G Davis it did!
@GDavis49
@GDavis49 4 года назад
Master Of Shine 😀👍
@JonFFavale
@JonFFavale 4 года назад
No wonder Yvan polishes so fast, he can hold two machines!
@MasterOfShine
@MasterOfShine 4 года назад
He is amazing!
@RadConceptz
@RadConceptz 2 года назад
That mustache alone is legendary.
@andrekidd6871
@andrekidd6871 3 года назад
what paint depth gauge are you using ? great video
@andrecopeland
@andrecopeland 3 года назад
Try a cutting wool pad on that rotary and see will it burn through the clear coat.
@Amazingfeet
@Amazingfeet 3 года назад
What's the pad cleaner thingy called or how do I make one!!?
@artv4nd3l4y
@artv4nd3l4y 2 года назад
Lol I literally just bought your towels, they look like a great value and people are saying good things. It's funny the other big options had a lot of concerns like towel bleed, or being the opposite of lint free.
@danlevasseur2950
@danlevasseur2950 4 года назад
that pad cleaner looks amazing
@ToMaHawKfilmsPS3
@ToMaHawKfilmsPS3 3 года назад
Try doing the same thing but with 5 lbs of pressure on each and see what happens...
@autoappearancespecialists
@autoappearancespecialists 3 года назад
Rotary and forced would definitely break through first
@836dmar
@836dmar 3 года назад
I wondered why they didn’t equalize the weight as they are likely not the same. Since they were testing potential to break through with identical pads, compound, and rpm, that could be a major variable. Same with tests of temp, thickness, and IR camera. Weight differences could change any of those. Still interesting - just a little flawed as a true test.
@bobstorr4986
@bobstorr4986 3 года назад
@@836dmar I’d say equalizing the weight would invalidate the test. The idea is which machine on its own would break through first. By simply being lighter the rotary will break through last. And generally a rotary will be lighter than a dual action or forced action. Someone new to polishing using each of these tools and applying equal pressure with each will likely burn through with the da before a rotary would. Real world though, I think someone new would likely crank up the speed on a rotary due to impatience and more likely burn through because of that.
@Bananovskyyy
@Bananovskyyy 2 года назад
@@bobstorr4986 Also take into consideration how deadly rotaries are on panel edges when hit with the very edge of the pad. The edge of the pad is what rotates the fastest and has the most cutting power. Newbies hitting/letting the polisher skip off onto an edge can burn through it in seconds. I burned through with DA once in 4 years of polishing cars daily and it was on an edge (on my car so no harm done) which i sanded two times then polished with a heavy cut pad and compound. Burned through with rotary on a lot of test panels when i was learning. The test has nothing to do with how it works in real life, DA polishers are way safer because they slow down or outright stop their rotation when you hit an edge or a dangerous curve. Also they move around the edges in orbital motion, not constantly rotating and grinding through it.
@BrennoMac93
@BrennoMac93 3 года назад
I'd love to know if the weight of the polishers was taken Into consideration
@KWW0321
@KWW0321 3 года назад
Between my lhr19, lhr21mk3, and Mille, the Mille feels the heaviest at the pad end which makes sense with the addition of the gearing inside.
@bpsdetailing8822
@bpsdetailing8822 3 года назад
It was not, so the test is almost pointless.
@KWW0321
@KWW0321 3 года назад
@@bpsdetailing8822 The results seem consistent with the physics involved. You could calculate the effect the mass would have on the rotational and shearing force but it would be minimal.
@KWW0321
@KWW0321 3 года назад
@@bpsdetailing8822 What formula would you recommend to best quantify the solid mechanics involved?
@Hammerback972
@Hammerback972 3 года назад
@@KWW0321Nonlinear Dynamics.
@detailersensei832
@detailersensei832 3 года назад
Impressive. Thx
@GardenCatsTV
@GardenCatsTV 2 месяца назад
Awesome video it actually makes since though because typically you run a rotary with a wool pad and the reason why amateurs use a DA is to not leave swirl marks not necessarily because they are worried about burning thru clear coat i would like to see this done again instead this time have the rotary with a wool pad and the other 2 with a heavy cutting foam pad because that is more realistic i would also like to see this done outside in the shade in summer because come guys, you all know better than to be polishing in direct sun light lets not be dumb awesome video i would have lost some money on a bet to.
@aleksandare46
@aleksandare46 4 года назад
Okay...I can sleep calm now. I was scared how much clearcoat is left on my F10 after 5x polishing in 3 years with Rotary, Meguiars W8207 polishing pad and M205 :D :D
@faiwaka
@faiwaka 3 года назад
Through my years of training this video doesn't quite add up. Normal everyday rotary use would most likely go through first for most users.(pressure+heat) Now different surfaces do make a difference with heat created like a plastic bumper for example. I do agree that the myth that DA's don't cut is false.
@verduzcoautodetailing3183
@verduzcoautodetailing3183 Год назад
So which one would u recommend for someone starting to do paing correct or even just a 1 step polish??
@milch13
@milch13 3 года назад
Wow! Wasn't the selling point of the DA polisher when it first came out was that it was much safer to use than a rotary especially for amateurs
@DjBann
@DjBann 4 года назад
That is VERY interesting. For sure I thought the rotary would go first.
@DjBann
@DjBann 4 года назад
Definitely enjoyed it!
@fiqaaljafri5887
@fiqaaljafri5887 Год назад
Ivan's knowledge 🔥🔥🔥
@felixf5211
@felixf5211 7 месяцев назад
I own the three machines. Been meaning to sell my 3401; haven't used it in years. At one time, though, it was either the PC or a rotary. Then the Flex came out and a lot of us bought it. Next to a Rupes, it feels like steering an old truck. 20 years experience with a rotary and so little cut? Okey-dokey. FWIW, weight wise, my rotary is the heaviest, followed by the Flex, and then the Rupes. Not surprised by the final results. Interesting to know the Flex ran hottest.
@maximolotov
@maximolotov 2 года назад
I am almost sold to forced rotation as it will not keep stopping at curves and edges of some crazy toyota cars :) The only point holding me back from going forced rotation is absence of knowledge if forced rotation machine will always finnish very well with one step compound leaving no holograms as well on black paints. At Least on German cars. Scholl s20 one step compound and medium cutting pad / blue spider pad combo for example to remove moderate to heavy swirls to 85-95% perfection = 85-95 % defects correced while super lttle haze and 0 holograms left after 2 passes= left to right and up snd down = 1 cross Kind Regards Your subscriber
@arukarthik1986
@arukarthik1986 3 года назад
Hi Please suggest which polishing machine is good for swirl marks removal and gloss finish dual action or rotary.
@rasmuskristensen9094
@rasmuskristensen9094 3 года назад
Yvan with the Dual Wielding, badass.....
@TheMKTube
@TheMKTube 3 года назад
I think since zero pressure was being applied (not practical in the real world), the DA broke first because the oscillating action may have inadvertently caused more friction vs the consistent behavior of the Rotary polisher. That's my theory anyway. Would be interesting to see the results with pressure and some identical movement. Regardless, this was an excellent video!
@gerryr1893
@gerryr1893 2 года назад
Rotary way better all round been in the refinish business for years and if you know how to use a rotary there way better
@omedonnie
@omedonnie 2 года назад
@@gerryr1893 That has been debunked for a while now bud. Rotary and DA is needed for a perfect finish.
@greekmaster1001
@greekmaster1001 2 года назад
@@omedonnie so start with a da then finish with rotoray?
@roofhy4133
@roofhy4133 2 года назад
@@omedonnie if u can’t finish with a rotary then you ain’t no real buffman.
@hunterburch2675
@hunterburch2675 Год назад
@@greekmaster1001 start with rotary to mow thru the man scratches then follow up with a polish and Rupes yellow pad on a DA
@zero1000
@zero1000 2 года назад
This is my first time watching this and I understand why it was made. People say a DA doesn’t cut as good as a rotary or at all and this video proves that theory wrong.
@josefernandopintomarques2703
@josefernandopintomarques2703 5 месяцев назад
Can you extrapolate to gelcoat? Which of the 3 machines would you buy as the only manchine to gelcoat maintenance?
@MK-ne6sj
@MK-ne6sj 3 года назад
Very interesting. Everyone recommends a da for beginner's on the basis that it wont "cut" too much
@kennybrandow4994
@kennybrandow4994 3 года назад
That hood was a blend panel and had atleast one refinish clear coat over the OEM clear
@michaelwhelan564
@michaelwhelan564 4 года назад
What a refreshing change to see direct comparisons with data. What is the orbit throw on the da and forced da. I'm guessing the da has a much larger throw than the forced da???
@detailsmatterllc
@detailsmatterllc Год назад
Nice video
@brunofontinha9818
@brunofontinha9818 4 года назад
Another great video...Do you guys now how to solve those bubbles on the clear coat?Just keep polishing to level the coat?
@brunofontinha9818
@brunofontinha9818 4 года назад
@@theragcompany thks for the tip.
@davidsteckley8846
@davidsteckley8846 6 месяцев назад
What’s the difference in DA vs forced rotation. I understand forced rotation. Is there a difference in finished product between the 2? Rotary is great for applying sealant and waxes. Is it just personal preference between forced and DA? Now does forced rotation also Radom orbit?
@andrewbeal2575
@andrewbeal2575 3 года назад
How can anyone DISLIKE this? I've been polishing cars for near on ten years now and I always thought a d.a cut slower! I love my Flex rotary machine, bloody expensive but as your guy says, it's like using a scalpel. Good work chaps 👍👍
@joecrypto2459
@joecrypto2459 3 года назад
it does cut slower. however if u put some pressure on those other 2 its a whole different ball game.
@gregkimura5906
@gregkimura5906 3 года назад
@@joecrypto2459 Yes, putting pressure makes a big difference. Also, on body contours, it will make a difference. The DA will slow down, but the rotary just keeps turning (and burning the paint).
@vcash1112
@vcash1112 Год назад
​@@gregkimura5906 Did you watch the video?
@SNELLERIZED
@SNELLERIZED 3 года назад
A couple major flaws to the test here. Had you primed the pads across the entire surface area, as we do in real life, the lack of migration to the edges of the pad would not have been the factor it was, greatly affecting the outcome of the test. Also, what is the weight difference of the heads of the machines? Unless that was the same, you didn't accurately compare the cutting effectiveness of each type of machine. Interesting test none the less.
@Tonyis4given
@Tonyis4given Год назад
I find the DA to give me the best gloss and finish, you just have to find the right pairing of product and pad for the type of paint you are polishing, finishing, cutting... Great info.
@glossmaker6931
@glossmaker6931 2 года назад
Hi cool video. May i ask... Did the paint gauge meter measure from surface to end of clear coat or surface to bare metal. Thanks.
@4tressed
@4tressed Год назад
To bare metal, they've mentioned it sometime in the video.
@gerardotrix7740
@gerardotrix7740 3 года назад
Wow...! Great test. In fact, I just tested your findings and I agree. On a sacrificial hood, scratched with 3000 grit, I used my rotary versus my DA, using the same compound, same area size, same number of passes, both using same wool; and the result was that the DA cut faster than the rotary. THANK YOU for the insight! --By the way, my rotary is a bit heavier than my DA.
@clawmachinetime955
@clawmachinetime955 2 года назад
A Da doesn’t cut faster than a rotary that just show ya lack of knowledge I’m a professional detailer 20 years now and you are wrong people don’t listen to this bull shit
@bachtiarsaleh3083
@bachtiarsaleh3083 2 года назад
@@clawmachinetime955 So Sir, what the truth is then? Should I keep learning on using rotary for 1st polishing and change to Orbital/DA for the 2nd and 3rd cutting? I am really a beginner
@DesirrNinethou
@DesirrNinethou 2 года назад
@@bachtiarsaleh3083 if you want the scratches to be removed quickly you should learn the rotary for sure and finish with a da. there is no way a da machine cuts faster then a rotary in real world and anybody doing this job will tell you the same
@nicksdragon6929
@nicksdragon6929 3 года назад
I think showing a typical 10 pounds of pressure would have benefitted the test. In addition, I believe this test gives a false sense of security to those with little experience. And the easiest way to do that would be to strap on 10# flat weights.
@MichaelOnRockyTop
@MichaelOnRockyTop 10 месяцев назад
When Ivan mentioned the bubbles in the clear coat, how do those get there?
@bpsdetailing8822
@bpsdetailing8822 3 года назад
Pretty interesting! The weight of the machines is a major factor in a test like this, so sadly this test doesn't really mean anything (unless someone owns the exact machines used in the video and polishes without applying any weight to the machine when polishing which is almost impossible) The machines should be running with the same force or weight to make the test accurate. Weight should have been added to the lighter machines to match the weight of the heaviest machine. Even zip lock bags of sand taped to the lighter machines would work. The rotary machines are generally much lighter than DA machines - DA polishers are probably twice the weight of the rotary.
@daveyh8s
@daveyh8s 2 года назад
I really think you’re right about the weight of the machines. Years ago I used to work in car production and we were using air powered buffers that weigh a ton and we were burning paint almost daily. I guess fresh paint , wet sanding and heavy polishers don’t mix very well lol.
@clawmachinetime955
@clawmachinetime955 2 года назад
This guys don’t no shit they act like they do and they don’t they just feed viewers false information all clear coat is different
@emiliosifmalai8430
@emiliosifmalai8430 2 года назад
yes is many variable. LEVI is cheating there .small pad diameter. low rpm
@emiliosifmalai8430
@emiliosifmalai8430 2 года назад
if you looking on reading after 1 minutes LEVI has de high reading on depht even big the starting because the paint is hot but if you look on temperature him run cooler
@emiliosifmalai8430
@emiliosifmalai8430 2 года назад
after 14 minutes Levi allmost not cut nothing ,magic .whit rotary? this is 20 years experience
@alekrose4932
@alekrose4932 2 года назад
And if you hold the polisher in a certain spot that long you don't need to be using it anyways. You're only supposed to do four to seven good passes because when doing passes it allows the panel to cool as you're coming back
@warrentomasini2592
@warrentomasini2592 3 года назад
Rotary and wool pad all the way if you want to cut
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