You are not imagining things, PLENTY of idols - especially 2nd generation - have said they hope their children DO NOT choose to be idols, that they would not encourage it
As someone who was so much into kpop fandom since 2015 or soo . The fandom toxicity on daily basis was really getting to me and now i just listen to music and don't get too attached to the group. I am just too sensitive for all this fan wars and other things. I don't watch any award shows as well or variety shows. And i don't even want to start with Korean beauty standards and cultural norms.
I feel K pop hasn't really gone mainstream, it's just something people are aware of in the general public but many people don't know the groups properly accept BTS (and they can't name a member in the group). I feel it is going down since gen 3 which was the golden era as you can see the views, interest and overall hype has gone down drastically since the newer generation came about. Also, there are too much comebacks, new groups, singles, tours, merch etc. There's not enough time for groups to work on their craft and make great music. The business is too fast paced that any group can fizzle out even if they are super popular. And most of the music sounds too similar/are too short in minutes. It becomes too saturated.
XG is the future... 🔥 The main reason why K-pop is becoming western imo is because they saw how successful BTS and BP has become globally and companies are trying to replicate that success by bridging the GAP faster by incorporating more English and collaborating... At the end of the day it's a business and like any other businesses it's all about success game and money... That's just my opinion...
Yes, XG is the future. And even worse for K-pop is the lack of originality. A friend with a K-pop loving daughter recently asked how you tell the difference between most of the groups. And after a think I had to agree. ILLIT and New Jeans are too similar. Then there's another big bunch of GGs who all seem to use the same glam squad, choreographers and musical teams. The new BBs too. Everyone seems too scared to take a chance.
@@AbbyA-z6j "Everyone seems too scared to take a chance" more like the labels cant effort to take a chance, it costs a lot of money, and without a stable fandom, why would they want to take a huge risk were they can loose out big time? (xg make catchy english pop and hip hop music, so i wouldn't call that taking a chance ether, but at least they are more creative about it when it comes to visuals) someone like rm has the artistic liberty to make the most experimental and interesting music he wants because his label isnt worried about money.
@@stolas2240 Strange for me, but on second thoughts I pretty much agree with everything said here. Points three and one are linked in that outside BTS, Blackpink and maybe a few others, no artists have the banked capital to absorb more than few so-called flops. And even with XG, I hope the new song is a monster hit, and they recoup the costs. Because if they don't, they may retreat. And that would be a shame for pop music generally.
Huh? Xg isn't even original nor creative at all. All their concepts have done before & they can even be equal with some kpop groups, the genres to that they have & the message they have in their music. Xg is another group who is following what works best in western music market.
17:18 i do believe that the reason why music gets released at 6pm KST not like mignight is because of korean charts not pushing into the west. I do think (i was a fan at this point but cant really remember) releases would happen at midnight but changed to 6pm is because korean charts freeze around 1 am and pick up again at around 7 or 8 am. It was put into place so songs could not be manipulated during the night hours.
The downfall of K-Pop already started when Casey Neistat shouted its name with the fakest of enthusiasm back in YT rewind 2018. It's like the moment when your grandparents and their friends got on FB, it's still usable but you know it's dying.
I'm not much into the new generations. Not that I'm saying they're not talented It's just, it's like they do the same thing. That's why I'm a huge fan of First Gen. Second Gen. Third Gen. Are my favorite eras.
I feel like this is a tone down version to what you really wanting to said about the declining of kpop. Because I don't see any mention about how kpop used to embark of showing the world that they can sing life and having very high standards. Now it seem you can put 4-5 poodles and have one barely know how to sings and have a catcy tune and it would sell millions. Not to mention the amounts of bias fans and the negativity spreading upon other artists just because there fav achieve something amazing. Fans always going to be the downfall of kpop. We can't hold that much toxicity without one big outburst one of this day. And music industry that completely cripple there singers and lack of talents for money would be playing cat and mouse until it get exposed by a bigger media bit by bit. And sadly we already seen that happening. Other then that great take bud and nicely put.
Take things with a grain of salt Kpop has too hard choreos, vocals are just not it, too much focus on visual and less focus on quality of talent. Too many kpop groups with songs that just follow trends of music instead of being a trendsetter. Sometimes you can’t even tell what is kpop anymore. They be speaking so much English and having westernized production of music and trying to reach worldwide with cheap trending sounds that they sell to the audience that they lose authenticity. Also Stans r crazy
Kpop is still a niche. A loud and annoying but just a niche. If it will not break to one of the big markets (US with pop or hh, Europe with dance and the strange version of rock Japan listens to) it will remain a niche. Even bts still has the obsessive niche fans and the 90s boyband music for gp. Just like no one outside of India and Indian diaspora listens to Indian music - kpop will crawl back to its cradle
BTS is a household act and will survive without kpop. But kpop wont survive without BTS lol thats the difference. Saying BTS has niche fans when majority of their fans came from the gp is wild tho. BTS is selling out multiple days at STADIUMS in just one US city that even some of the "biggest" artists born and raised in the US cant sell out. Idk i think yall have forgotten during their hiatus just how massive, in demand and loved they are and ot doesn't sit well with me when i read stuff like this. Wait until next year and the worldwide tour is all imma say🤩
Funny how XG is being promoted in Korea with other K-pop bands, Koreans are responsible for their music, yet their CEO claims that band produced exclusively by Korean people isnt K-pop, because he just used Korean people to work, almost like tools. I like them tho, still I don't think that's fair.
Honestly I don’t think K-Pop will have a downfall per say but I do think it will become more niche again, the bigger it gets the more fans are leaving do to fans, Companies, and constant bad news be churned out the Kpop windmill, also Western fans are overall not enjoying the pandering to western music ether. Instead they’re moving to Jpop and P-pop to fulfill the niche that Kpop once filled. So I think Kpop will need to grow back into third gen, second gen, and early 4th gen to survive
Kpop used to be more fun with crazy concepts, weird outfits and crazy hair. Groups still had an identity and you could easily point out different groups. Companies used to take more risks with the concepts of their groups. You could easily dance and sing along even if you were not a pro dancer. Now i feel like those choreos are trying to kill me
the aespa album thing that’s $90/100 is a cd AND bluetooth player that can play any cd, not just aespa ones, this then makes the pricing more justifiable
@@dearyoongi That's your choice tbh. You can choose to buy the cheaper version/cd only thing or you could purchase the cd player, which is customized (more costly to create), lightup (more costly to create), etc which causes the price to rise. It is your decision as a consumer. That's my favorite part about capitalism. You can put your money where your mouth is.
It's fair to mention, if you're going into the monopolization of K-pop companies, it should be noted that HYBE isn't the only conglomerate here, with the power to monopolize. KAKAO itself is the largest shareholder of SM, and the big3 (SM, YG, JYPE) connection with SK media can be argued to be more influential than HYBE's influence in SK because the public is swayed by what the media portrays, which is why the big3 managed to monopolize which groups that would rewarded the most for so long. Though I'm optimistic about some things, I think it's declining. Or hitting a plateau. With multiple versions and fan fatigue, devastating artists' treatment that is being brought to light, lack of authenticity and repetitiveness, to name a few, how long would that go on without the system collapsing? Things like that aren't sustainable in the long run. But you hit a lot of these key points, this issue is not just on the companies, but fans too. For an industry like K-pop to stay relevant, there needs to be serious changes all around, but time will tell
Removing the "K" in Kpop will cause it's downfall because then they'll just sound like a typical Western artist so there's nothing special that sets them apart. Ultimately though, in America, I see Kpop coming and going just like the "latin explosion" many many years ago. Like all of a sudden there was an influx of latin singers i.e. Ricky Martin, Marc Anthony, Enrique Iglesias, JLo, Shakira, etc. and that type of music was super trendy but like 5 years later all the singers just dropped off. It felt like they all just disappeared overnight.
The latin artists you mentioned had some of their biggest hits in English and then they sang more in Spanish when it became more mainstream/profitable.
Its just music either way...the k isnt important nor is it a genre, its an industry. Plus its always been influenced and wouldn't have exited without the west anyway lol where do yall think hiphop, pop, rnb, rock, rap, edm and other genres come from 😭😭😭
It’s crazy how Bang PD produced one of the most successful K-pop groups in the world from sheer passion to now just purchasing as much smaller companies as he can only for the sake of profitability.
I think that guy lost himself on the way to the top. I stopped liking him long ago when I saw him basically using BTS for political lobby, korean politicians are very questionable (in the whole world) so all that debate about military enslitment, then politicians expecting them to perform in official events, plus all the incinsere hype and fake praising, when politicians started parading with BTS like they reaised them or something, mmm NO, not acceptable. That's shady. Then came the obssesion with monopolizing the industry, buying companies just to neglect their groups, Scooter Braun, not caring about vocals, rushing debuts just to debut groups that look the same, the petty fight with Ador management etc etc, I can't with BPD... not anymore.
Wjat does bang pd have to do woth politicians using BTS for their gain???? like i dgaf about that man but you're confusing situations and saying its his fault...... because when has he used bts for political lobby??!!?? youade that up fr. the government have been nasty and shady to bts since 2018ish to know. Acknowledging them one minute then ridiculing them the next. Bang pd ain't a politician so im failing to see the connection 😭
He purchased other companies that had somewhat established artists because bh/hybe needed to make their reliance on bts less.....the members cant be the only ones responsible for the well being of all the staff under one company thats just not realistic, sustainable nor is it fair towards the guys. They jave enough pressure on their shoulders as it is. They would have needed to go to the military anyways sooner rather than later. Even now when they are all serving (Jin just came out) the whole corporation still get 60%+ of their profits just from BTS. Like thats insane
15:06 I believe you are correct that Taeyeon doesn’t want her children to be idols. She didn’t want to give her children her vocal skills because she doesn't want them to become a singer and struggle like her.
I think one of the biggest things that’ll lead to K-pop’s downfall is the constant self-insertion of fans in idols’ lives. At the end of the day, we really don’t know these people yet certain Kpop fans have an opinion on EVERY aspect of their lives. Like, they don’t know you! You don’t know them! Who are you to tell another person who don’t even know you exist by the way what to do in their lives. I get the concern and the adversary especially to serious issues such mistreatment and mismanagement and things like that (i.e. Loona and BBC) but then there’s those cases where those fans go too far (i.e. Karina and her relationship). There were literal people angry that she’s making her own decisions in her own life and then those ppl later judged and ridiculed her bc she apologized when she didn’t even have to. Yes they’re idols and the main point of them is to sell a fantasy to their fans. However, they’re humans too. They bleed red too. Ik this is long but it’s really terrible how these fans swear they love them but go on and hate them when they do something they don’t want them to do. NEWFLASH: we don’t own them. Our jobs as fans is do listen to music and support them the best way we can artistically that’s it. Stay out of their business and mind yours (the last line is towards those fans and if you’re offended, go touch some grass 🌱) Love your content dearyoongi 💗💗
I wish we would get more solo artist, and not from a pre existing group. Just a random person that no one has seen before. We used to have a lot back in earlier gens I wish companies would try and do something different
I think one thing that gets underestimated a lot and that could very well lead to a sort of downfall for KPop is the challenge of navigating cultural differences: Fans in the USA have different expectations of celebrities than Korean ones, and there are more differences still if you include the Japanese or Chinese markets, SEA, Latin America, Europe etc. And this creates friction and dilemmas, not just within the fandoms, but also for KPop companies when they come up with their strategies. Catering first and foremost to the Korean fanbase, or maybe Japan if the artist works well there, used to be the main strategy, and people from outside these regions knew that becoming fans of a KPop artist would mean you were a "guest" and an "outsider" to another culture and it was on you to learn how to interact with it. You had to accept that your needs (e.g. access to merch or physical albums, subtitles in your language on content etc.) and your wishes (e.g. concerts, fanmeetings, full fan club benefits) wouldn't be met or prioritised. But as KPop has more global aspirations and wishes to go mainstream in capital P "Pop" without the K, they can't treat potential overseas fans like guests in their culture anymore, because many people just won't want to make this effort. (And that might be shitty of them, but if you as a KPop company want to market to these casual people and expand beyond the pool of people already interested in KPop, they can't expect then to change). However, Korean fandoms and the Korean general public don't just roll over and accept that idol groups are global now and Korea is not necessarily the main market anymore. It creates both legitimate concerns but also a lot of angry entitlement. I think that goes beyond the question of "should KPop abandon the K", because the more different cultures you try to reach (and that includes music subcultures as well, e.g. catering to Metal fans is different from catering to Punks or Ravers), the more it creates friction. And I feel like KPop is starting to feel the effects of that. Maybe the industry as a whole can survive it, if different groups focus on different markets and stay in their respective niche, while the industry as a whole offers something for everyone. But that also assumes that the Korean side of the industry (e.g. music critics, industry "insiders") is okay with certain groups coming out of Korea and never really promoting there. (Which historically has not been looked favourably upon. Groups who for a time focus their efforts on overseas markets get called "flops" regularly, regardless of how successful they might be in Japan or Europe or Latin America and how financially lucrative this is for their companies.) I feel like these tensions and rifts between different music culture, industry practices and fandom expectations could implode KPop if they aren't careful.
Tik Tok songs-songs that are 3mins or less is killing the industry,to the point TikTok in general is on the ban list of some countries. BTS Military Hiatus-yes i said it-Ever since that Festa and subsequent announcements Kpop has been somewhat declining Yes album sales are high but ask yourself how many version?3,4 or 20? June/July 2025 Bts cb should show us true numbers and if kpop is declining...IMO Lack of originality Enough said-too many let's try and replicate BTS. success...(i personally believe there are a few who don't Ateez,SVT,TXT...)but other BGs are definitely using BTS name to get famous in the west I don't think Hybe is soley to blame-sure MHJ sucks....but so does JYP,YG and LSM Great Video
Let's be honest because i love BTS but also Blackpink have strong hiatus. Two of the most popular groups are missing the others are trying hard to make that success. There are so many good groups.
@@slavakaripova2172 bp have been on multiple hiatuses since 2018 to now lol that ain't anything new for them and their fans have been fed up with it too
Its declining because it's BTS who is mainstream, has the real numbers, demand, hype etc etc not kpop as a whole. Like did a lot of groups get more clout and traction thanks to bts being associated/limped with the industry? Yeah they did, but thats not enough for others/kpop to sustain itself. The coattail riding a lot of these companies do just isn't working and they've had years to figure it out yet they never did. BTS gave everyone since 2022 time to catch up and do something on their own but even then the members were still out here releasing music, doing concerts, performing so they never left peoples consciousness. They in demand as soloists too as they are in a group. And now 2025 is next year. they're coming back in full swing and its gonna be game over for everyone. They're gonna have a group cb and a proper album release (something they haven't done since 2020. Proof doesn't count because thats an anthology with just 3 new songs), then do a massive stadium tour like whewwww its gonna be glorious
This is so real. Kpop is getting very boring these days, the only groups keeping me from leaving the Kpop community is ive, aespa & triple s, these groups take risks and try new things that other groups dont do much
@@RWISE.Eto be honest I’ve and aespa (idk about triple s) are not taking risk. If you been in this kpop game long enough, what they are doing has already been done, just that it’s for a younger generation or ppl who just realized kpop is a thing. Both groups rely heavily on the nostalgia, the west and even trendy trends of the past. Rarely are their photoshoots, sounds, styles or mv set in the present. Ie most are in the past (Ives Marilyn men prefer blondes) or a 90s concept of the future. Both groups are like new jeans without being so blatant about it. Both groups are great though
hello~ new viewer here! very interesting video! Context for myself- I've been a kpop fan since 2011 and a huge Shinee fan (among many others). I think its going to be a combination of monopolization and companies trying to appeal to the Western audiences, which could go hand in hand. Company monopolization in kpop is risky considering kpop is known for more specific creative sounds, the idea of comeback/group concepts, and, at least in previous generations, specific song structures. Therefore Hybe could, hypothetical or not, have a big sway on the sounds, trends, and styles of music. This is different from say a giant Western conglomerate since there are many vastly different genres and coming together under one label wouldnt jeopardize songs starting to sound similar or genre specific trends melting together. This comes to the second point. I pointed out being an SM fan because, for a time around 2021-2023, I felt that many of their group concepts started to fade away and become more generic "kpop girl group / boy group sound". If kpop continues on this path, I do fear that while the title of kpop remains, everything that made it unique would be pushed aside. Sorry for the paragraph :)
Also amazing video ❤ I think everything goes full circle, like a cycle. Maybe it'll become cliché again, or the industry will become over saturated, kinda like how Western rap is right now. Then it'll hopefully get better, or something new will come to the scene and raise the standard. Everything is a pattern and cycle. Also, yes, K-pop fans are a very big part of the stigma of K-pop. A lot of us are young but also just assholes and immature. They see being a fan a HUGE part of their identity. And get defensive quickly. I always get kinda annoyed when westernisation is brought up as an issue in K-pop cause I don't feel that being Western or making "Westernized" music is inherently bad for K-pop. It's shitty music and lack of dept. Arguably, of course but companies and groups also don't know how to translate their signature concept to English and the West. Like twice with "moonlight sunrise" and arguably SKZ with "lose my breath" (with both a lot of people said it didn't sound like either groups usual sound.) Yes I 100% with you on the last one.
I find Westernisation an odd argument because K-pop has been predominantly influenced by Western, especially US popular music. While it's naturally evolved, and had it's own trends, it has also continued to take a lot of influences from the West, both following current trends and taking inspiration from previous decades, while continuing to mix other influences in. So when I hear people complaining about K-pop becoming too westernised, I can't help but feel they are complaining about two things: the first being an increase in English lyrics, and the second being an increase in diversity in idols. I think the growth in global popularity is natural. Especially with the internet being so widespread around the world, music becoming popular via things like TikTok, and so on.
@@faeriegraver Correct, widespread use of the internet and social media has broken down the barriers and now we can listen to music from other countries in an instant. Which means the influence can happen much sooner compared to back in the 90's and early 00's.
I disagree with TWICE. I think their English singles so far("The Feels," "Moonlight Sunrise" and "I Got You") have been very good while keeping the group's sound. Especially "The Feels," which many people have praised as sounding like K-pop but in English. Also, especially with groups like TWICE and Stray Kids, they have been around long enough for them to try new sounds, even if it doesn't always work.
@@MrSuperjam789 I respect your opinion and sorta agree! I love moonlight sunrise and I just know a lot people felt it didn't sound like twice's concept. Just used as an example!
I agree that westernization isn't the issue itself, the problem is what companies think appeals to the western market and that sometimes means more watered down music, which imo is what holds back aespa's discography from being great to me
@@Briarpatchlogic I'm talking about current Kpop. Almost all the mainstream groups are currently recycling old sounds or jumping on hype-trains. I would be glad if Kpop scene outlives my opinion and evolves to something new instead of regurgitating the same old sounds.
@@Tenz220 there's a lot of highly entertaining groups out there who doesn't follow the latests trends in kpop but y'all always check out groups from popular companies. Learn how to explore & expand your music skills in kpop because aespa isn't the only group out there who is believed to be the "last saviour" of kpop.
I don't think that Kpop will have a downfall. I honestly don't know. There are artists like Young Posse, Taeyong, Aespa, Oneus, P1harmony, and Bibi who rebelled against Saturation. It's good to see werid music videos and crazy styling. Boynextdoor's Earth, Wind, and Fire, Young Posse's Supernova Young Posse's XXL, Dxmon's Burn up, and Bibi's Bam yang gam have crazy concepts and weird music videos. The concepts are the foundation of Kpop. Cute, Girl crush, Dark, or Hip hop the concept is an image of a Kpop group or Soloists. The smaller companies got risky with their Matrue concepts like Kiss of life. Kiss of Life is the second girl group with older members. I loved their songs: Midas touch is my current favorite. Their outfits are sexy and mature unlike the minors. Plus they all have live vocals! If a downfall were to happen in Kpop, the cause of it will be Poor live vocals and lack of training. Since I started to watch Ain't no other fan I have realized that the artists are actually lackluster singers. The music show encore of Illit's magnetic was viral for the wrong reason, the members are all terrible at singing and they need some vocal training. Lesserafim's live vocals are just pitchy at Coachella. Babymonster have Live vocals in Music shows! Asa, Ruka, and Ahyeon are the rap trio of the group. Their live rapping is mind blowing. They even have a live band. Hybe isn't working on the female artists vocals but they knew that some of the female artists are lacking in the voacl department and instead of training them they "fixed" their voices with fucking Autotune. The backtrack is louder than the singing. It seems that the male vocalists have better training because they are favored more. IDK.
I understand why Japan is restrictive on their music. They don't want West touching their music at all. K-pop is what if J-pop allowed American influence. I know j-pop has been influenced by American music, but they don't try to please the American audience. Look at Babymetal. They didn't change their concept at all. They're still a girl group doing metal. Recently, Psychic Fever has gained popularity in the West. Their recent comeback didn't shift at all. It's still good. A non-jpop/k-pop example is Ramstein. A popular German metal band still kicking ass. No changed in their music to appeal to American audience. I hate to admit. J-pop has a good point on strict copyright system and stuff
Baby metal is a rock music the only difference is that it was little girls singing in Japanese. If these are the only things differential to the West then it is not suffice, especially with the talk (in kpop and globally) about not having minors in entertainment (or at least not using it as a gimmick or concept)
TW: SA . . . The singer of Rammstein used to throw different kinds of parties (non-se**al and se**al) with young female fans (without being transparent about his intentions) and is accused of power abuse and sa. He also publicly promoted r*pe culture by publishing a brutal p**n video and a poem in which he talks about how he likes the other person to be "asleep" after he put something in their drink. The people who are defending him the most are German right-wing populists. I'll always thought of Rammstein as well when it comes to being successful without being mainstream but unfortunately it's just another example of how much power artists hold over the people who idolize them and defend them no matter what. If you are interested in German rock: Die Ärzte
Another perspective of seeing a downfall for K-pop is when the next generation sees the popularity from the former gen and declares it too old (uncool, unhip, all cap, etc...) to follow. Like many other music genres beforehand.
That video was really well thought out! Great job! The version of the 'Armageddon' album you saw is the one that includes a little CD player, which is why it's pricey (if I understood it right myself).
Kpop is ruining themself. They’re always trying to please the Western media.- We don’t want to hear FULL BLOWN ENGLISH while listening to kpop. We want the NORMAL kpop with full KOREAN and maybe a few words of english. It’s annoying and tbh is a HUGE HUGE reason why i stopped listening to kpop… If i wanted to listen to Kpop i’m better off listening to English R&B 🤷♀️
Hello. First time commenter here 😊 I just wanted to touch on the westernization part. I think it's important for kpop stans to remember that kpop is technically a western invention. It has always been western. If one looks at early kpop (especially with seo taiji and boys), it was very evident just how heavily it drew from the west since its beginning. I think that stans are just starting to notice that even more now only because English-speaking songs are being released at a more rapid rate than before. Secondly, I think I might be a rare one here (or maybe not idk lol 😂) but you said that over-westernization or sounding too western might cause kpop stans to become disinterested. For me, it's the opposite. I got into kpop because it reminded me of western music. I remember seeing a clip of Jimin from BTS dancing in a solo dance performance which sent me down a rabbit hole into kpop music. Which begs the question, since I got into kpop because it sounded familiar to the western music I grew up on, can westernization really cause its downfall? What if there are people like me who feel nostalgic because it reminds us of western sounds that we grew up listening to? Maybe instead of people thinking that this over-westernization will destroy it, it might surprisingly be the very thing that draws people in. I know that was the case for me and I'm sure there are some people out there who might feel the same way 😊
I agree that KPop will never truly fall off. Its popularity will just go through waves, basically ups and downs. I like that shows are becoming more abundant but the price hikes kill it for any normal fan who only gets to go to one or two shows. Also, toxic fans will always be one of the negative things that bring the genre down and the oversaturation leading to less creativity. Always love these deep dive videos, Fran. 💟🥰✌️
The fact that most of the gg in your intro are disbanded/not active/not popular anymore/struggling shows the issue and answer of the problem. Denying real talent to shine.
Another interesting daryoongi vid! I could see it not growing at the same pace, but kpop is unlikely to really go anywhere. Even if it drops off a bit in the US (compared to the Taylor Swifts and Ariana Grandes of the world), the overall numbers are just enormous. It's big in Japan, as well, which is a much a larger market than SK. I do think the Western pull has made kpop companies a little less bold in their songwriting. Not gonna get as many wacky melodies and adventurous songwriting like the old days. Still, if you look at the top five gg landscape or so (IVE, NJ, aespa, LSF, (G)I-DLE), there is still a fair amount of variety and interesting work. Think it's a bit more of an issue on the bg side. The visual/MV/dancing style still make it distinctive from a lot of Western output imo.
I’ll never understand when people say that K-pop is becoming too westernized. When I first got into BTS, they did many genres and I was shocked, and people explained to me that K-pop is an industry not a genre. So since the first generation of K-pop with Seo Taji for example, there is a huge R&B and hip hop influence, and almost every K-pop group has rappers and rap in their songs, how is that not being westernized? It’s like if one direction put Korean trot music in all of their songs, and then one day decided to release a song in Korean and started getting criticized for it being too Korean, when since the beginning they have Korean influences. We all know many idols have Michael Jackson as a role model (Taemin, Jungkook, Jimin are ones that come to my mind), and they take huge influence in his dancing, and let’s not begin talking about the whole cultural appropriation mess that many K-pop groups are accused of with clothes, hairstyles and etc… Since the beginning the roost of K-pop lies in the west.
Kpop will eventually fall by the wayside if and unless all agencies improve their artists live vocals with coaches and more practice. Also the majority but not all idol groups seem to copy one another and there are very few uniqueness to these groups.
🤔🤔🤔 hmmmm for this kind of question, I would have to consider what makes people more attracted to Kpop. is it influenced by 💙 the actual music involved (such as how the music is both sonically + lyrically?) 💙 Aesthetics, marketing and design (how these releases or other aspects are majorly stylized, regardless of whether the style is trendy, nostalgic or something like you've never seen before) 💙 Whether one would just go surface LVL or deep level 💙 Fandom culture (with fandom culture, sometimes people stay tune to listening to Kpop cuz of similarities with others within online and offline Kpop communities as I've learned a lot more about that aspect of fandom culture last sem in my digital communications program) So I would think a factor that would be the most prevalent for the decline of Kpop to be heavily affected would most likely thru efforts of marketing and or business practices. I'm certain that there'll be a multitude of other external factors, but that's the main factor I think would be prevalent the most imo 👍👍
As an international fan, it's hard for me to see KPOP as a "genre." To many of us, examples of genres would be rap, ballad, rock, r&b, edm, latin, country, punk, etc. All of these musical styles are present in every kind of Korean music nowadays. Even in the western countries, many artists are not limiting themselves to one style or genre. Many are trying out latin or afro beats just like kpop groups are doing. I think that instead of being afraid of the downfall of KPOP, we should celebrate KPOP as the industry that opened the doors to more international crossovers. It was KPOP that broke down the walls of territorial limits and is a big factor in making music more universal. I am grateful for that.
I've been a Huge fan of kings icons and legends Emperor of K-Pop EXO for 11 years Now. Along with my other favorite groups Legends of kpop H.O.T . shinhwa . Shinee. Super junior. TVXQ. Are all my Favorite boy groups. Girls generation. F.X. Are my favorite girl groups. I'm a casual listener to certain other groups. I don't follow them like I do these other groups I follow for years. Especially EXO My ultimate group Forever and ever. They are the reason I got into kpop.
I dont say this for kpop in particular but for all niches of interest. The downfall is a personal one. Its not that kpop has a downfall....it's your personal experience that hits a point there's no coming back from. It's when you really feel It in your gut: the time wasted. The money for merch . The squandering of energy in fandom wars. Thats how Isee the downfall of this genre. If this sinking feeling happens to enough people at the same era, it will be the end of it. But most of the time, it's the end of your personal kpop era.
Its really interesting for me to watch because I've been a fan since second gen, and most of my favorites from the newer groups are the ones who are doing something either really different from the other groups (like ATEEZ or Dreamcatcher), or the ones who are doing something reminiscent of the early gens (such as Kiss of Life). It's felt kind of odd to watch as my early kpop friends leave their fandoms or lose interest, and as some of the groups and companies appear to scramble to find their origins or roots again. SM is one company that to me feels like they're trying to go back to their roots. Aespa for example, has a lot of concept details and music that is very reminiscent of the group S.E.S (this is not an insult, i love aespa, just something I've noticed)
I don’t really agree with people wanting to go to kpop bc of innovation and uniqueness when it was already heavily inspired by western markets. If anything ai will only become a thing in Al industries including in America. More and more tech and capital will take hold of the creatives and I don’t blame artists for freaking out. Unfortunately that will not slow it down no matter how any petitions signed against it. My suggestions if I want to get into the arts u will have to learn to work with ai and other technologies and adapt. That’s the only part I disagree with but otherwise I definitely think K-pop will eventually become a niche again and the companies will just focus on the domestic fans once more.
there's no new kpop group anymore.. most of them are american hiphop group. rap, blingbling and dance routine filled k-music industries now, since most of those agency aiming for western market (trying to reach the same success as psy and bts)... but turns out became cringe. 3rd generation groups are the last of so called k-pop..
14:55 Yes, Taeyeon from snsd said if she had a child she wouldnt want them to inherit the ability to sing from her, I think it was on radio star but I might be wrong.
I think we are almost already in a state of stagnancy or even decline because of the oversaturation. But I think it will continue a while on the level that it's currently at. In general I already see effects of people being fed up with the all rising prices. In recent times I think the most interesting development is seeing idols leaving their own company to set up their own and I personally think it could be very interesting if fans realize the potential of supporting an idol created small agency vs a big company. My idealist hope for those small companies is to grow and take on more artist that will be managed through a lense of someone who already knows the bad sides of the business and hopefully tries to prevent them. This said I know there is often this criticism of the 'dark side of kpop' in the west from non fans but I feel like is partially hypocritical to criticize something that is very well happening in the western music industry too. There are slave contracts that bind an artist to release a number of album before they are allowed to leave, rights will be transferred to people who don't even have intellectual rights to the creations but just buy themselves into it, mistreatment and overworking as well is see with western artists and even scandals like Burning Sun are popping up in Hollywood etc. To make a change in the industry it would make sense to not just criticize a new and upcoming genre like kpop but look around and realize the problem of the entertainment industry as a whole and who we are giving power to.
I think one mistake labels are doing is trying to skip steps in the career of new groups. They're trying to go for US market straight, but I think they should build a good fandom in SK, then in Asia, then, if it goes well, try to expand to US, Latin America, etc. Also, don't forget that the labels that entered Hybe Corp were not kidnapped, forced or anything like that. They decided to go because it would benefit them. It was a deal between the companies. They analised the situation and agreed to the deal. In no way or form those labels are victims of anything. They are partners.
Large volumen of Filipino KPOP stans moved to "P-POP". BINI unite all kpop stans from Army , Once , Blinks etc. . . They've establish a SOLID fandom in just short period of time 😅
Kpop won't die down at all lol. The music quality will never be the one of its reason. I mean, just look at the songs charting back then during 2018 until now & the groups y'all stan. Its all about riding the latest trends, being mediocre at best, the vibes, the songs meant for virality, the choreos, the outfits & the visuals. Its also not in the idols behavior since idols who are literally criminals still have the "fans" support & most definitely NOT even the album prices & its quality will make kpop decline on the demand & sales. Just observe, most deranged people y'all now on earth is here within the kpop community, so as long as good looking (young) people are debuting with flashy choreos & good outfits kpop will still remain.
i disagree. will kpop disappear? no, kpop always had fans and will always have fans but will the overall hype die down? yes, because the hype generated from the bts wave primarily im not really understanding your point about songs charting in 2018- till now, like obviously songs the gp likes will chart, but its not like all those songs are the same and all low quality. all "criminals" have lots majority of the support they once had and are left with barley any fans so thats a pretty bad example of whatever point you are trying to make. and kpop sales have actually reached a plateau and are on a slight decline for most big groups groups with every new comeback. (at this point only bts and probably blackpink would be safe from this sales decline)
@@d.b2073 yep At this point even Hybe is Trying to create the next BTS..The hype is going down for the last 2 years and the company's greed for setting up the next big thing is the reason of underwhelming presence of kpop
I don't think K-pop will ever "fall". But I definitely think that there are some both domestic and non-domestic complications that are preventing K-pop from reaching its full breakout in the West. I think a handful of it can be fixed with cooperation from the public, but overall, there needs to be a median met and I think with specific circulating issues happening here and there constantly, that median has not been met.
@MrSuperjam789 I mean "full breakout" as in -More Charting on the Hot 100 -More radio airplay on Western Radios -More invites to Western public events. -More cross collabs (specifically with K-pop artists featuring on Western artists' projects) Don't get me wrong, these have definitely happened, but I think there's always room for allowing more, especially since only a few K-pop artists have experienced these opportunities.
@@AidanMoreno-o2c Oh, I see. Yeah, that's much tougher to do, although I think we'll probably see more Hot 100 entries in the future, albeit on the lower end. Radio is much harder. U.S. radio in general is very slow in picking up songs and with K-pop, by the time a song takes off, they're already on their next comeback(or 2).
I don't even have to watch this to know. At least for the outside Korea, it all starts and ends with BTS. Inside Korea, it will continue as usual. It's their music and they should cherish it.
I mean sure but the “k” in kpop is disappearing because of how much companies are so obsessed with making everything more westernized and things might get boring and repetitive which would make ppl leave the community and go look for other music genres similiar to THE KPOP like: t-pop, j-pop etc
