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What Would Concept Artists Want From An AI Tool? 

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A lot of the current work I've seen in AI Art Generation has been about replacing artists. But what about tools that help an artist to work faster? If the AI field could be anything a concept artist wanted it to be, what would that look like? This discussion will explore some of the things I personally would like to see from an AI tool that helps our work, as opposed to disrupting it entirely.
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@pascalblanche
@pascalblanche 2 года назад
I think you are right about the fact that it can become a powerful tool for artists to support them and do the tedious work. On my side I think I will continue to use it for moodboards as part of the research stage for now, see what future brings.
@gosu6594
@gosu6594 2 года назад
Wow, It's not everyday that one stumbles with an art god commenting on a RU-vid video. My respects
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
Yup, plus mood boards is about the only thing that’s fully legal to do with the ai images right now, but I suspect the legal system will work through the issues within a few years, and hopefully by then we’ll have some more sophisticated tools.
@pascalblanche
@pascalblanche 2 года назад
@@ArtOfSoulburn Totally! But the more the IA is evolving the more it is going to show that it basically recreate art from the same data pool of artists, so yeah . Copyright is going to be a big one. Also I liked it when it was " blurry" in a way, acting more like a first draft, leaving the imagination to complete the rest. but the more it becomes defined, the more mundane the images are.
@pascalblanche
@pascalblanche 2 года назад
@@gosu6594 haha too kind! I really can't compare to the true masters out there, but i'll take it ;)
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
@@pascalblanche I hear you, you were enjoying when it was being used to spark the imagination. Some of the best art lets the audience fill in the details :)
@Darius-scifieart
@Darius-scifieart 2 года назад
I'm an artist as well, I'm not sure if you've tried it yet but several of the features you've wanted to see explored are currently available in stable diffusion. I've actually used it already for some of these purposes. You can already do a very simple under 10 minute painting and through running separate parts of it through stable diffusion's image to image feature you can collage them into a profesional looking completed piece within an hour. The image to image feature also does in fact have a slider which determines how much the image generation is affected by the image you put in versus the prompt. If you set it so that it's focusing more on the prompt it will give you iterations that are very different from yours. I've already had some luck using it to generate some weapon concepts in this way. While if you set it very high in addition to words describing the level of finish and kind of brush work you're after it can very quickly complete a rough painting. It will also preserve the style and proportions present in your original sketch. Stable diffusion also has the advantage of running locally on your own hardware and does not require an internet connection. It is available completely for free. And a number of people have offered graphic user interfaces that can run it with completely automatic installation just like any other program. It it does run off of your GPU so you do need a fairly recent gaming PC or workstation to run it It's first one of these to give me some optimism, that these can be used as tools. As the results you can get through this are substantially better than the results you can get through just using a prompt It can't yet do orthos though haha
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
I know stable diffusion (and others) have some of these features in beta, available depending on how much into the weeds you want to get. Just looking forward to seeing them incorporated into slicker interfaces, which I suspect will be soon.
@Darius-scifieart
@Darius-scifieart 2 года назад
@@ArtOfSoulburn the interface I use is pretty refined. It's not a console it's an actual program that you run and control with a GUI. But I'm waiting to see it integrated into a program like Photoshop as a plugin
@ShappyMusic
@ShappyMusic 2 года назад
@@Darius-scifieart What program do you use? :o
@Darius-scifieart
@Darius-scifieart 2 года назад
@@ShappyMusic I use the NMKD GUI of stable diffusion. Along with Photoshop for drawing painting and merging elements.
@JasonKey3D
@JasonKey3D 2 года назад
Great ideas here Neil 👍 Side note, I've heard the main guy at Midjourney state specifically that he is not interested in making a 'tool with specific features for professional artists'. However, I'm sure there are other devs out there who might want to do it and this is a great wish list you've put together.
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
Thanks Jason! Ya, I suspect none of the current big 3 are interested in that market, but I also suspect one of the usual suspects (Adobe, NVidia, etc) will have something before too long.
@yuvrajjha
@yuvrajjha 2 года назад
Thank you for sharing this. This is exactly how I have been trying to use it. As a tool rather than a replacement for me altogether.
@Daniel_Romanovsky
@Daniel_Romanovsky 2 года назад
I think this tech will ultimately evolve into like a full 3d holodeck where you will be able to generate anything you want and have the ability to fine-tune everything from the smallest detail to the overall style. That said, the human factor will play a major role, and at the end of the day it's still about how creative and visually sophisticated you can be, whatever tool you use.
@marcosdtorres
@marcosdtorres 2 года назад
Sure, there's a lot of fear regarding this new tech and how this impact a whole market, it is similar to what happened with photography and with music decades ago. Again, there were a lot of beginners and mediocre pros that were left behind during this changes, I guess it's almost some sort of survival of the fittest scenario, but at the same time it gives power to people who don't got the skills or the time to develop it, it enhances the power of those who already are into art, so I agree with you Neil, embrace it and use it at its best. One of my main frustration on the late years was the expense of having to trade too much time to make personal art, mostly because of some technical stuff like rendering and painting, so when you come down with an solution like midjourney, it's like giving me half the job done and allowing more time to have ideas than to waste with stuff that is purely technical.
@davib8963
@davib8963 2 года назад
It would be useful for me to compile folders of my own images and illustrations to train some tool with. Probably number one for me.
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
Yup, my wishlist wasn’t in any particular order, but that’s certainly one of my wishes.
@davib8963
@davib8963 2 года назад
@@ArtOfSoulburn saw a fantastic demo using Stable Diffusion as a plugin to render scenes from blender or cinema4d using some arbitrary style prompt. Some simple spheres and simple objects in the scene window were rendered out nearly exactly in place, with the colour and lighting (apparently) taken into account. Just amazing.
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
@@davib8963 Cool, will check it out!
@OmegaRainbow
@OmegaRainbow 2 года назад
lots of food for thought, thanks for sharing!
@lorenzotosiart
@lorenzotosiart 2 месяца назад
This is such an interesting video and I m definitely gonna be watching your other content on this subject!!!
@eddyhaze8239
@eddyhaze8239 2 года назад
transparent background, to paint fill in spots were AI missed , to have the program on my computer and I do the rendering my self and render what I want, things are getting better and quick, soon AI will do everything .
@bbludacious
@bbludacious Месяц назад
It's sad that this doesn't have more views. I really wanna see more thought out responses to AI in regards to art, not just straight up fear and rejection. I really feel like AI has the potential on cutting down work so artists can benefit and focus on the details they like
@MIchaelSybi
@MIchaelSybi 8 месяцев назад
I'd like to see small automated addons into major packages, like 3ds max, Rizomuv, Topogun etc, so they would automate some functions
@ragnakim
@ragnakim 2 года назад
excelent video. Thank you :)
@h2olt
@h2olt 2 года назад
I would love some of these features. I keep seeing AI advancements in ‘two minute papers’ channel but no real advancements in user access to these projects.
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
Well, things are still very new, and right now it's very rough, but I suspect one of the big companies like Adobe or nVidia will roll out their own generator in the not too distant future which will be more full featured and have a slick interface.
@Edbrad
@Edbrad 2 года назад
It takes a while to come out. Two Min Papers was talking about Stable Diffusion type stuff not so long ago in the same way and not it’s easily accessible to regular people
@photobackflip
@photobackflip 2 года назад
You should really look into Stable Diffusion. Open source AI. You would be able to make these plugins for Photoshop ect. Look up Alpaca AI as an example of what is possible.
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
I've played with Stable Diffusion, and I agree, I have no desire to make photoshop plugins, but I suspect it won't be long before a lot of those sorts of things start hitting the market.
@photobackflip
@photobackflip 2 года назад
@@ArtOfSoulburn Yeah it is the wild west right now. Photoshop will be first to get the cool things as it is just image generation right now. Hopefully with Stable Diffusion and Blender being open source we will see some crazy things being made. If you want to have a laugh look into KAEDIM 3D and their "AI" (humans).
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
@@photobackflip ya, I heard about kaedim, really gross. Guess there will always be the snake oil salesfork no matter how much we “evolve” :)
@neodos
@neodos 2 года назад
I have experimenting a bit with dalle, midjourney and stable diffusion, while it's great at generating more abstract things such as vegetation, rocks for environment, it really isn't good at coherent design, in fact it cannot to do coherent design, anything like line art, vehicle design, ships, weapons etc it cannot do well at all. I think artists will be fine, these AIs can generate some neat fantasy images, but they're very far from the level of complexity of a "hand crafted" art style that an artist has taken years to develop, these algorithms cannot achieve coherent nor creative composition, lighting, texture, etc it's very far from matching the art style of artists who have devoted years to develop their style. I am sure AI will improve and have more refinements and fine tuning to get there, but I think great artists will be just fine, most algorithms right now are a one trick pony, that said they can serve as a nice tool for mood boards, inspiration and iteration.
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
I totally agree on the design side, design requires a stronger sense of how something works and functions, which is not the way these algorithms work. I get the feeling that it won't be long before AIs start going after that too, but in the meantime, shifting work a little more onto the design side from the purely art side I think is a good idea.
@Kavukamari
@Kavukamari 2 года назад
ai that can detect anatomical errors or shading errors to tell me what I'm doing wrong would be cool
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
Oh that would be awesome. “Why is my texture popping from by frame?”
@Zhang_Nicolas
@Zhang_Nicolas 2 года назад
hard surface texturing by AI instead of Neil 😀
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
I hope to be fully retired then and painting in oils :)
@r_dva3301
@r_dva3301 2 года назад
Imagine how 3d artists will feel in a company where 2d artists and concepters work 100 times less and get paid the same or even more?
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
They probably won't feel too bad about their situation if 9 of the 10 2d artists get let go because of the new tech. Although 3d is going to be affected soon enough I'm sure.
@r_dva3301
@r_dva3301 2 года назад
@@ArtOfSoulburn AI will not soon replace 3D, imho. The image has two dimensions, and 3D has 3 dimensions, and this is much more complicated. A 1000x1000 image has 1milion pixels, a 1000x1000x1000 cube contains 1 billion pixels and this is a small resolution. AI is easier to train on 2d, since there is just google with an infinite number of images, but it’s much more difficult to train on 3d. If there are will be AI generated models, they will be like rough scans and this is only one of the 3-5 stages of model preparation for games
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
@@r_dva3301 Well if you're dealing with voxels, then yes it would be 1000x1000x1000, but if you're making a surface, it would be 1000x1000x6 which is a much more manageable number. But yes, first would be simple rough scans. I assume what they'd do is take a photo, produce a simple 3d mesh by hand, then do that again and again, then train the ai on that material teaching it how 2d shapes get interpreted into 3d. Not sure how many examples would be necessary for training, but it's likely doable. So yes, 3d is far harder, but I don't think it's out of reach.
@petermgruhn
@petermgruhn 2 года назад
Buggy whips are still buggy whips.
@petermgruhn
@petermgruhn 2 года назад
Enh... they already don't care about meaning and are already reacting only to the color and light hit.
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
@@petermgruhn There are still some consumers that care about meaning, studios like Pixar built their reputation on that. But then again, the transformers films made billions as well. So we'll see.
@trendqiang3921
@trendqiang3921 2 года назад
You can't adapt to something that changes every day... can only comfort yourself with the fact that knowledge itself will not become outdated, but the usage scenarios derived from it will change.
@topimpablackcat6130
@topimpablackcat6130 2 года назад
i hate A.I art
@ArtOfSoulburn
@ArtOfSoulburn 2 года назад
I certainly wasn't asking for it. But now that it's here I think it's important to understand it, and see if it can enhance our artistic process.
@trendqiang3921
@trendqiang3921 2 года назад
Then it will hate you in turn
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