whilst i love these videos, in this example you use Pro Q3 as an example to show the problems, then you switch to Soothe and dont show what it does. Can you show what soothe does to the signal?
That would be nice but since that's dynamic processor it would be more complex to demonstrate we could just use some static tone which wouldn't give us much clue how it will actually affect the sound in real scenario so we will just have to use our ears...
Love videos like this. Recently I've favoured using only analogue style eqs, the fact I cant see what's happening to the frequencies is great it forces me to use my ears, I also love the fact it limits my options so I spend less time faffing about with eq and more time making music. And honestly my music has never sounded bette. Hopefully someone sees this and it helps them like it helped me
6:23 I've never understood why some EQ plugins even include brickwall LC/HC's (especially LC given the slower cycles). It's not a jab at Fabfilter, it's my go-to EQ other than more sparingly 1073 or other more classic ones. I've seen grammy award producers, one via MixWithTheMasters, do that, and I'm happy I'm no longer impressionable where younger I'd have thought “If HE does it, then that's the way to go”. Also, I *never* expected that click at the beginning to become so long (post & pre-ring)! Insane
Great insights! It’s true that brickwall low and high cut filters can be a bit controversial. While they offer precise control, they can introduce phase issues, especially with low cuts. It’s all about knowing when to use them and understanding their impact on the sound. It's great that you’ve developed your own approach! And yes, the post and pre-ring on that click is definitely a reminder of how certain settings can affect our mixes in unexpected ways. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@@sageaudio I guess I might still be a tad bit impressionable then (given some gold stuff I learned from you in the past). Just you saying it can have its usage makes me think I might try it out and just be aware of the risks as you say.
how come? just use it on really annoying resonaces and personally, I always have the mix knob below 50% on almost anything I use, and only have it effect above 8-10k and above
at 1:23 I was waiting for the start signal to start my Mario Kart race xD (sorry, next time I'll keep my comments more professional, promised). Okay 6:13 would right off the bat be the starter for a LoFi-Beat.
All interesting stuff... if it sounds good it is good... How often do these issues actually make a mix sound "bad"? They say, "You can't polish a turd"... but almost all music since the beginning of recording has been nothing but... from an engineering perspective harmonic distortion is "bad"... but it's used universally in making modern recordings...
So that was an extreme edge case that doesn't has to do with music? How does that actually sound on an actual audio signal? (Talking about the first example)
You bring up a great point! The first example was extreme, but it highlights important concepts like pre and post-ringing, which can affect clarity in musical contexts. Understanding these effects in a non-musical scenario helps us recognize how they might manifest in music, even if the results are more subtle. We’ll definitely aim to include more relatable examples in future videos. Thanks for your feedback!
Yes the phase shift can be slightly different from digital ones. Some plugins have a "natural phase” or "analog phase” toggle. To me you can hear it better if you are doing more processing after and in context of the track. It's not always better just sometimes
Yes @lilwombat has got this right, similar effects can occur with outboard EQs, especially if they have steep filter settings. While analog EQs often impart their own character, they can still introduce phase shifts and resonance issues, particularly with high and low cuts. The key is to use them mindfully, as their response can vary compared to digital plugins. It’s always good to trust your ears and make adjustments based on what best suits your mix! Thanks for the comment!
Guys take this as information and don’t let this dictate your eq moves that’s just not good. It’s best to use smaller Qs instead of tiny ass ones all the time
Great point! While it's true that using smaller Q values can often yield smoother results, it’s also important to understand that there are times when a narrower Q can be beneficial for targeting specific frequencies. Each situation is unique, so the key is to experiment and find what works best for your mix. Rather than sticking to one approach, balancing between different Q values based on the context can lead to better outcomes. Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Absolutely! The principles apply to hardware EQs as well. Just like with plugins, the design and filter characteristics of those units can introduce phase shifts or resonance issues. It’s all about how you use them-understanding their unique responses can help you achieve the best sound in your mixes!
You’re right that Soothe 2 works differently from a traditional EQ; it’s indeed spectral-based. However, it’s worth noting that it can complement standard EQ techniques. While it dynamically reduces resonances and harshness, it doesn’t replace the function of an EQ-it rather enhances the overall mix by addressing specific issues in a more natural way. Thanks for bringing this up!
Lol i don't think that's the point of this video since he's using extreme examples there's reason why broad stroke EQs tend to sound more natural and that might the reason why tend to prefer to use analog style EQs like the SSL or Neve for boosting over something like Pro Q3 in most cases not because they don't suffer from this but they don't have this crazy steep settings and force me to use my ears instead of my eyes because sometimes even these side effects can add something pleasing to the sound just like distortion in moderation often does... So I would correct this statement to I would clean stuff with "digital" parametric EQ whilst boost and enhance stuff with "analog style" EQ. There are so many side effects to almost every processor (some of the side effects including analog devices) for example phase shift, ADSR change, aliasing, etc. that we would basically just be using volume fader and panning and that's it... Sometimes this side effects can be used even creatively for our advantage in parallel check some of the Dan Worralls videos about this topic.
We're here to help, what exactly do you have questions on? It may be helpful to check out some of our other EQ videos if you need to learn more of the fundamentals first!
@@sageaudio nothing special, it's just some of these terms, the curves and such .. that's beyond my comprehension, but I keep watching these videos and might already have learned a thing or two ;) so thanks for doing this, keep it up
@@sageaudio nothing special, it's just some of these terms, the curves and such .. that's beyond my comprehension, but I keep watching these videos and might already have learned a thing or two ;) so thanks for doing this, keep it up
