Well done, Mike. Thanks for the tour. I always wanted to know what the turbo upgrade consists of and you have done a splendid job of describing it. Cheers!
If you did not know. The 7.3 IDIT internals are different from the 7.3 IDI. The block is thicker. The pistons are stronger with larger wrist pins and the rods are stouter on the IDIT. The rings on the IDIT are Full Keystone #1 and #2 vs rectangular #1 and taper faced #2 on the IDI The injectors are different. The oil cooler is bigger. The oil pump is bigger
I've torn down probably 30 of these some of what you say is right. Block is nearly identical with a couple minor differences , pistons were aluminum just like the na ones and were not ceramic coated, the rods were forged just the same as na but yes they did have larger wrist pins, the injectors were supposed to be improved but outta the performance companies I've spoke with hypermax and r+d the difference is negligible. The oil pump was the same but yes the oil cooler had additional cooling fins on the idit. The injection pump was rated at a higher cc thou
I made a small mistake in the video. The fsctory turbo adapter for the turbo feed is actually tapped for 1/8 npt but if that adapter is unbolted there's a 1/4 npt hole underneath it you can also use
Mike Grn I’m pulling a ats kit off a factory turbo parts truck and I had a few questions. You just have to disconnect the down pipe, crossover pipe, and then the intake hat and it should just lift out the top right? Besides the drain and stuff
Thanks for the video Mike I had to remove my turbo and put holes in the valley pan. I wouldn't have known that without your video. My question is about oil restriction in the turbo feed line. My truck never had low pressure before installing the kit on my idi. I need to use a mechanical guage to check pressure or block turbo oil feed line to see if my sending unit is bad or what's going on.
I have a 1994 turbo... Looking at doing bypass oil filter... Looks like drivers side of block has at least a feed , can you show feeds and possible drains?
Mike just got an 1990 idi with ats turbo. looks like a factory unit added after the fact. Where do i punch my holes for oil drain, and more importantly where do i find seals for the turbo like valley pan grommet seal, the oil drain seal on the turbo, the feed line seals and the seals that go into the intake snail.
Logan Eley holes go directly in drain tube hole punch dont drill to.avoid metal shavings. As for the seal kit I have a friend who sells that mention that I sent you. Type4 off oil burners or if you have a facebook his name is listed michelle n russell mathis
I just read every comment so I would not be redundent. Anyway since no one has asked this particular question. How much power gain do these turbos add ??? Do they get into Power stroke territory? Or do they just add a little extra?
264hp 503tq is what Banks says there idi kit will do at the flywheel. Without studs 12psi is as much as you want to run and that will do about 190hp at the wheels.
so Mike Grn i am in the process of putting a N/A motor in my truck. The motor that was in there before was a turbo motor. i wanna put that turbo on it. the fourm im on, on facebook, people tell me you have to punch holes in the pan below where the oil feed back. is that true?
if I'm not mistaken the turbo motors have lower compression cylinders then the none turbo, so if you put a turbo on a none turbo engine you need to adjust your turbo waste valve or pay the price of blown head gaskets or cracked heads just FYI i learn the hard way
if there was a difference in compression it's very minimal. Many people have safely turboed naturally aspirated Motors without any issues of cracking heads or head gasket failure especially running off a stock naturally aspirated injection pump. my current motor has a non wastegated hypermax kit stock fuel settings I've ran her hours and hours of driving never had an issue. another guy I know is running a 6.9 with the factory turbo kit with no issues in over a year and the 6.9 has smaller head bolts so it's actually more prone to blow a head gasket than the 7.3
you put turbo on a good good ole 7.3 N/A idi and didnt bother with even a 5 min google check? i can tell you off hand the idi 7.3 N/A has about 21 to 1 and the turbo version has 17 to 1... its quite a bit more than "minimal"...also engine parts differ between the two..
Have We Learned Nothing I dont know how I missed this comment the compression ratios were the same between idit and na engines however idit engines did have forged rods and larger wrist pins and a different rotating assembly balance.
The powerstroke has a lower compression ratio, people confuse the powerstroke with a 7.3 idit, they are totally different. The only thing they share is displacement. The powerstroke is a direct injection engine, the idit is still indirect injection and needs the high compression ratio in order to start easily
I’m doin a left hand turbo mount on my 6.9 idi. As the turbo won’t fit in the valley with the vehicle I have it in. Where can I run my oil drain pipe to? Or can I still run into the old CDR hole like turbo idi’s, or will this create to much pressure on the return side?
You can use the hole where the cdr was but you'll want a cc vent somewhere to avoid building pressures. Most choose the inspection cover hole in front of the pump timing cover
Enjoy your videos, Why do you need the flywheel and flexplate to install the turbo? Have a 93 idi with 5 speed manual, but am looking at a 93,1/2 7.3 engine with the factory turbo, thought I could add just the turbo parts. Thanks again, Scott Viers.
yes you can just add the turbo parts to your non turbo engine and be good to go. all I was clarifying is you cannot just switch the flywheel/flexplate between the factory turbo and NA because the balance is completely different
if you can I would try to get the whole engine numerous upgrades were made such as the oil cooler, thicker wrist pins, anodized pistons its all around a better engine
service intervals for these is technically around 200k so you could but your gambling on 20-30yr old gaskets unless prior work has been done. Lots of people have turboed past that point without issue but others have very quickly popped a headgasket after. Of course that could also be due to the driver lol. I think hypermax recommended at minimum a retorque check of the head bolts upon a fresh installation on an older engine.
Factory location could interfere with turbo installation and to get it away from the heat produced by the turbo and the flexplate only matters with factory turbo blocks
Thanks again Mike! I'll be on the lookout for the parts or maybe even a doner truck, if I can find one.. Please let me know if you have a source or suggestion. Btw, you've got a nice collection there!
Thanks for the video bud. If Im being honest I couldn't watch it after I got into the hypermax part. The amount of "Uhm, uhh, uhhh, uhm,..... I just couldn't bro. I appreciate the video and it is informative. But maybe re record the audio in editing? No disrespect, think of it as constructive criticism.
Been told that before but mainly did these vids way back to shutdown the flood of pms on a FB group I manage. Did all the recordings on an old phone without a pause feature or editing software. Served it's purpose
@@groundtogreen1140 I figured that. They are quite helpful and informative. Im mapping out a turbo build on mine, im going to alter a powerstroke y pipe to send both exhaust manifolds into the y. The problem is fitment. When I finally break ground on it Im going to document it. Ill be sure to share it with you. I am greatful for the vids. I had air coming in, never took notice to the return line on my filter housing. Deleted it and haven't had a problem since.
hi Mike, thanks for the video.. I just bought an 1988 f250 7.3l diesel .. my only question after watching this video is.. is it worth it.. I mean, by factory specs there was only 5 hp gain between the non turbo and the 7.3 turbo model. it shows that it literally went from 180 to 185 by adding the turbo..ok maybe a modern turbo may have better results but like I asked. do you feel it's worth all the work/money? thanks again for the video and your time.
the factory 7.3 IDI turbos were intentionally under-tuned and under-rated to make the 7.3L Powerstroke look better. If you dyno a 7.3 IDI turbo it's actually more powerful than on paper.
@@jellyfrosh9102 most people don't do the studs, and end up joining the IDI yard ornament army. I was told by IDI Performance that none of the common turbos put out enough pressure to need bigger cc on pump, too.. The hotside kit from IDI performance and a ebay turbo is easier than finding one in a scrap yard, and is only like 48% more the cost. If you're non conformist you can also cam and pump tune instead of turbo
I know this is an older thread, but I want to know if there is an easy or inexpensive way to remove the turbo from my 7.3 IDI. I have a 1992 F350 with a ATS turbo kit that was installed by the previous owner. The turbo is shot and this is the second one in 10 thousand miles. I don’t do a great deal of heavy towing, so the turbo is not necessary for me. The truck is in excellent shape. I just want to return the engine to its stock form. I don’t have the money for a new turbo and don’t want to put in another one if it is going to fail. Any help would be appreciated.
Sounds like you have something else wrong if you have killed 2 turbos in 10k those things should last 100 200k easy. You may have a clogged oil line or something but you could get a factory exhaust manifolds to put on it then a factory air cleaner,factory exhaust peaces turn your injection pump down cap the oil lines for the turbo were they come out of the engine won't be cheap if your any good at fabrication you could make a peace of pipe for the hot side of the turbo to take it's place personally I would figure out why it's eating turbos good luck
Hi mike, I’m getting ready to turbo my 91 f super duty with a factory kit, I’m using the banks 52103 downpipe as my kit didn’t come with the downpipe, would you happen to know the size of the v band clamp that connects the downpipe to the hot side of the turbo? Thanks
typically you would want to turn it up depending on the pump your running and the boost numbers you want. Every kit performs differently and some are not as efficient as others. For ex I maxed out my ip for the hypermax kit and couldn't get much above 10lbs yet with my factory kit I haven't touched my fuel and I can hit 7 at stock calibration. You definitely will want to retime it as well so have it run as efficient as possible.
That plastic oil pressure line you have set up there could be very dangerous under a hard pull that thing breaks or gets hot and melts you will have a fire should use copper
I've heard various numbers but alot say don't exceed 15lbs of boost others say it should be studded. Some say just leave it stock if wategated. I personally have not turboed a 6.9 but I do know the non waste gated kits such as the hypermax and gen 1 banks, gen 1 ats, ran fine on those engines for years.
Are there any seals where the intake snail meets the turbo and the intake manifold? Also are there any seals where the up pipe slips on the y pipe? If so do you have part numbers? Thanks in advance for any help you can give
It basically vents the crankcase pressure and was supposed to act as kinda of an oil vapor stop which it did poorly I always had oil reissue in my intake. Over time they wear out and can stick. Imo I delete em but I think it's technically considered part of " emissions equipment so make sure your not doing something that gets checked for on an inspection" but don't quote me on that.
No previous owner put it on. Plus tbh the hypermax kit as is stock doesn't really produce enough induction pressures to blow a hg if the gasket wasn't already on it's way out. I was hitting 7lbs maybe 8
@@groundtogreen1140 I have a 93 7.3idi rebuilt a 093 and I'm going to put that on. Will the head bolts be sufficient? Will probably run 9/10 psi boost. Truck has 84,145mi
Honestly I just can't justify putting the money into putting a turbo kit on an idi, unless you can snag one off another idi. Otherwise you're just better off spending the money on buying an OBS Powerstroke. Engine mounts and transmission bolt pattern are the exact same, so it's literally a drop in swap and you get WAY more out of it.
not really once you factor in all the wiring and modules. and if left stock it's not much of a power difference vs an idit. Most of us who upgrade these know it won't be the biggest baddest truck on yhe block but it doesn't have to be either
i have a smaller than the average hmax hotside and it spools nice. currently on stock fuel until I can get studs. I dislike banks because you just cant get replacement parts anymore have a friend who is stuck with a turbo he cant use. Never owned a banks turboed truck thou.
Mike I have 1993 idi 7.3 found a 1993 ats turbo would I need the intake manifold off the turbo 1993 or will it all fit on mine without changing it?? Sorry new to this turbo and diesel for that matter..
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Mike Grn ok so just curious.. why would you have to put a turbo flywheel on a non turbo engine when putting a factory turbo on? Wouldn’t it be the same difference as putting an after market non factory turbo on? I can make a video of my situation if it would help.. I bought a NA 7.3, the flywheel looks different from the turbo 7.3 that I have.. (trying to convert the NA 7.3 to turbo because the turbo engine is completely gone.. btw let me know if you need any parts lol. Thanks for the response! It’s much appreciated!
@@goodolboys713 you don't. On a factory turbo engine entire rotating assembly is balnced different from harmonic.balancer to flexplate/flywheel. So going from na to turbo you just have to bolt on turbo no need to switch any of the rotating assembly parts.
Mike Grn ok awesome.. so basically I just need to stick with the same flywheel that came off my NA and just bolt the turbo to it. Thanks! I was about to bolt the turbo flywheel to my NA motor.. probabaly saved the engine lol thanks again!
I'm new to diesels and of course I have an issue. I have an 86 f250 6.9 with banks turbo. there is an oil leak under the turbo some where. I lost about 2 quarts of oil in 2 weeks. the oil is leaking down the back of the engine and on to the bell housing on the driver's side. before I start taking stuff apart is there any issues with taking the turbo off to see where the issues is then putting it back on? would you have any idea what is leaking?
there's a feed line and drain line for the turbo charger. I'm not as familiar with banks but on most they have a square cut o ring in the feed line that likes to leak over time. I'd start there and also verify your back valley isn't full of oil . If it is you might have to punch the valley pan. I had to do so on my hypermax turboed na motor
Mike Grn I'll be checking it this weekend. I'll upload a video and see what I find. would it be ok if I took the turbo off so I can see what is leaking?
william eldridge banks kits available are simply old stock kits and I'll never own one because if you have to rebuild it you're screwed they don't support their kits anymore hypermax isn't the worst but better than na. If I were to buy new I'd buy through R+D IDI performance his more modern kits blow both outta the water.
I bought one of those banks adapter that goes on the oil filler for my 6.9 for the cdr hoes can I just run a hoes from that adapter to my factory turbo air box with out a cdr
it's called the crankcase depression regulator it controls you crankcase venting pressure alot of guys delete em because if it sticks it can blow seals. it is the tuna can looking thing
Mike Grn when you are moving around it's pretty bad, I also use my phone for my RU-vid videos, you get a chance come over and check out my 84 and tell me what you think
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