Wheel and Tire Balancing, right and wrong way : Lucore Automotive 

Just started at a tire shop and now I realize the insanity that is on this tire. Lol.

As an ASE master certified tech for 12 years, all you had to do is unseat the tire from the rim and shift it half a turn and reseat it, throw it back on the balancer and let it run and you will see a dramatic difference in weights needed. Also the wheel balancing machine is calibrated very carefully and by having a mechanic lean his extra weight on the machine tend to throw it out of balance which can cause false readings. I never lean on the machine when it is running. Something to think about.

Wheel and Tire balancing, right an wrong way (cuts to tire magicly balanced after complaining about not wanting to put 7 oz of weights on after doing all the other checks). You guys have become the last shop that balanced the tire, and the next shop is going to tell us how you didn't do it right.

I have a small quiet fan that blows lots of air at my work stations. Keeps the sweating down. Nice vid.

The big name tire outlets do this routinely. Periodically, the adhesive weights come off during driving when you it a pothole or when ice/snow packs into the wheel during winter. I just had a small local shop take care of the steering wheel shake. He said he balanced the wheel then balanced the wheel and tire. I don't know how that's done, but my G6 rides perfectly now. I no longer purchase wheels and tires at the big name tire outlets.

Great video thanks for sharing problem for most of us is finding the shop that’s willing to go the extra mile like you guys do

good job showing how many things you can encounter and it takes time to get it right sometimes longer

:: yes il have my own shop soon and crazy to see some small shops pay like $12 for shop help... That's not how it's suppose to be along with not using that roll machine... Yes it takes longer but research shows 60% less come-back rate...... I'm glad I was able to work for a Tire Distributor so I can see how Retail shops run.... Good way to help learn. And thanks for the Video info👍👍👍

I’m glad I stopped and watch even if I’m fully capable of getting them modified projects done. It’s nice to see the things done because they are the most common things on this style of trucks ! Would been nice to have a good lighting on the bump steer so people understood what they look like far as clearances ? I’m going to share this with my club discussion group. Thanks

Great vid, get those guys some AC in that shop my man sweatin bullets!

Awesome machine guys

My experience working with tires is that you have to do the best you can, balancing a tire can go flawlessly or its a weight hungry little shit. Just gotta try your best to get it balanced with little weight as possible. (Helps putting the right weights on too)

I would have dismounted the tire and lubricated it well then mounted it again and checked. I have seen high roadforce on a set of new tires and wheels a coworker had just mounted. Force-matching isn’t always accurate. Also a brake caliper can be so close to the wheel it can pull off stick weights, maybe hammer-on weights would have been a better choice if that is how they were weighted from the factory. I know on the lexus LX570 I would have to use a large cone on the outside and nothing on the inside and it was the best way to have consistent readings detected by the balancer.

Informative video. Do you have one about a lug centric balancing version? is there a difference between forced match balancing and road force balancing? been 15+ years since i last mounted and balanced tires, so times/technology have changed. we had a basic Coates and Hunter mounter/balancer system.

Good video and good work fellows...One easy check that's worth mentioning, is to spin the tire and check for tread zig zag when it spins, bad tire or bead can sometimes be seen when it's spinning. Good work on checking rim run out too.

Plain and simple. Much obliged friend. Other videos are just too damn confusing

I just spoke to a well known tire shop in RI and told me it didn't matter to use all 1/4 oz weights to balance one of my tires that were out 4.25oz. The manager actually said that all 1/4oz or 4, 1 oz didn't make a difference. So why do I still have vibration on that tire? The other guy said I probably need an alignment, I told him I got 70,000 miles on my last set of tires that wore perfectly, why would you touch the alignment? I'm so tired of dealing with people that don't know crap about what there supposed to be professional at.

I'm grateful there are videos such as this . I'm curious about a few things sir. Firstly, how did technicians formerly balance tires before such tech. Was available? Secondly, are there other standards (in regards to modern tech) by which technicians test for balancing issues? (i.e. more than one type of machine and/or device available.) Im asking because I am supposed to begin my first day of training TOMORROW at a small, two bay Firestone service center and I have literally NO experience. (which I was completely honestly about before getting hired. But they seem confident in my ability to learn and perform efficiently.) I've been scouring RU-vid for a few hrs now trying to acquire as much foreknowledge as possible about the matter and would like to familiarize myself with the processes as much as possible. (Both old, new and various ways procedurally.) My only experience with vehicles is a six month job at an Oil Xpress . Doing filters, fluids and differentials checking. I did decently at that. Not sure on the tires thing though. I am admittedly taking the job more out of necessity than passion for the trade to be honest, but I DO like to be efficient at what I do. Ty for these informative videos sir.

I would have really liked to know how much and many weights you put on the wheel and where?

Great video man! What dif cover are you rocking? I’d put it on my 8.5

I've dealt with this issue myself. Toyota wheels of wheels are lug centric and you have to use the lug flange plate Only and do not use the collette. This is why when you took that flange plate off and used only the call it you but you got a totally different reading

I wish Walmart corporation would hire you to go to each Walmart a do a 3 day training course! I just got my tire balanced and I’m on the hwy and I still feel vibration in my steering wheel! And I have 400 mile drive, so that’s pretty much a tire I’m going to have to replace now

Thanks for sharing, do you know how to do this without one of those fancy machines?

So what he is saying problem is now in the back of the truck?.

So.... what did it take to get a better balance? And what did the final weight setup look like? What's the right way?

Since the rim is not ideal for the data set arms, would the 180 procedure be helpful here?

Wish you guys are in Florida. Man, do I have a wheel balancing saga to share about my experience with PepBoys. Bought new Coopers for my truck, and the tech loaded one of wheels up up with 13 oz of weight. Combination of .25, .50, 1.0, 2.5, and 3 oz weights. Brought the truck back over a dozen time because it never felt balanced on the highway. Went through 2 sets of tires because of out-of-roundness. They finally forced the 3rd and final set on me with all four wheels having 7oz - 9oz on them. I'm never ever buying tires from PepBoys again.

So what was the solution? The machine told you the last guy basically put on the right weight. It told you tire can't be rotated on the wheel. Your machine also said add 7oz + 1oz, and he had 8.25 oz on. Reason likely bad/cheap tire/wheel combo or bent rim, but it told you the same thing as the last guy that you bad mouthed. Then all of a sudden you cut to "ooop, we fixed it", and got all wishy washy. What did you do?

I custom paint a lot of wheels at my body shop and I have to take them to United tire to have them dismounted and remounted because they’re the only ones around me that have the right tire changer and balancer

how much does a tire rotation and balance cost? It has to be worth your time to take your time making sure it's right.

I purchased a new tire balance machine and I balanced a new tire and aluminum wheel and set it in the rack and when the truck came for installation I put it back on the balance machine to show the owner it was balanced, to my surprise it was asking for 3.75 more weight for to be balanced ? is that normal ? should it not have still been balanced, thanks

Many years ago when I work in the tyre store if we found the wheels were too far out-of-balance we would break the bead and we would spin the tyre 180° most of the time that brought the balance down to a less weight but you should not put weights on top of weights but at the same time of saying that a lot of people do not want to see the wheel weight like a mag wheel weight on their wheel and wheel manufacturers do not allow for a wheel weight to go on the front so it's sort of a curse every car is different

I just had new tires mounted and balanced today, I noticed a horrible shake at 60mph. Pulled over and checked them, front passenger tire had 8oz on it.. seems like I should take it back to the shop.

Ok at 7:55 there was a cut and you cut off the whole wheel and tire balancing! How did you do it? How much weight did it need? Was it placed in the same spots as before? Did you have to break down the tire and wheel? If so, how much did you have to move the tire from where it was before. I would have been tempted when I saw it was four ounces off, to just add 4 ounces or remove. It seems a shame to let almost a pound of the old weights go to waste. The did not drop off and like at the side of the road like so many do.

This is exactly what i'm dealing with right now with my front wheels. I have no weights on my left wheel and 26 (twenty-six) 1/4oz weights on my right wheel (done on a road force machine at Discount Tire - brand new Lexany tires) Steering wheel shimmy at 45mph and up. These wheels had perfect balance before new tires. Would it be OK if i marked the center of where they placed the 1/4oz weights and replace them with equivalent weight but 1/2oz weights so they're closer to the center? Thanks for the video, this is great info!!!

Auto tech here-we have a cheaper chinese balancer and we are forever chasing weights with this thing. Can the weights spread out like they were on this tire contribute to that?

Why yall cut out putting on the weights 😂

Which wheel balancer were you using?

what if put sticky wieghts on . repine snd its still out by 2 or 3 ounces on outside of rim . do you put the 3 ounces on top of wieghts jusst put on.Or do you put along side weights?

WE BALANCE WHEELS AND THEY GO OUT A 0 0 NOT 0.25 AND 0.50 GREAT JOB GUYS

I started doing lof, lube oil n filter n tires in 1978 for my first job, now 2021 very very few know how to balance a tire correctly....

I got 4 new tires and 3 of them are balanced outside with adhesive weight but one tire is balanced inside with one clip weight. Is that considered normal?

Reminds me of a rim lock tire on a non rim lock rim. That j was all over the place

Sooooo how many weights did he end up putting on, because from what his comments were, it seemed that the original weight count was very close to what it needed. 🧐🧐

I have a question when you do rotation and balance the balance apply for the 4 tires?

Great job

It could be a bent wheel making it hard to get it right. Usually a potential flag is if weights are placed opposite of each other.

Is there instances where tires don’t get any weight? I got a new tire change and only the back tires have weights, not the front ones

My wife just bought a car which it would appear has not had the wheels cleaned in the 7 years since it left the factory. We are purchasing new tires, and I have managed to get most of the brake dust off, but I was concerned that the wheel weights would not even stick. I'm just wondering if this is something one _should_ be concerned about.

Hi..i do this kind of job at my workplace..im still new..do we need to do balancing of the tyre that want to put in front only? Or need to do all 4 tyres? ...my supervisor just told me to do the tyre that want to put front only..Please answer me

I bought a new set of BFG Ko2’s with steel rims and the shop can’t get it right, they even replaced 2 tires and still the steering wheel shakes between 50 and 60 mph, one of the tires has 9.5 oz! I do realized they stacked the weights the way you said it shouldn’t be done, i don’t know what to do anymore, I’ll probably take the truck to another shop for balancing, and spend more money that I shouldn’t have

Can you do a video on lugcentric vs hubcentric

I do this almost every day, if theres more than 3 ounces needed on a wheel then remount it on the machine somethings wrong maybe missed a weight unless its a massive mud tire or something thats ridiculous. I dont know how this can be done wrong I have never had a problem and I test drive every time after a mounting job. Good point about the warped wheels should be put on the back.

At 4:50 it shows 6.75oz required on the outboard and then on the respin it only shows 5.25oz - Was that the problem with the adapter? At the very end, is the tire is still .25oz and .50oz out of balance? Is that common for a top-of-the-line balancer to show .75oz variation in accuracy? Does it report different numbers every time you spin the tire? Thanks for the video.

Ok first off has anybody ever seen the red and white paint dots on a tires sidewall? They are there for a reason and all have a different meaning but basically tells to the best place to mount the tire in correlation with the valve stem. This helps with putting the least amount of weight possible on the tire. Even still its not always an exact science. Sometimes you just have to figure out what works best and makes the customer happy because that's what it all boils down to in the end. Also to all the people who have a problem with no weights on a rim, would you rather them add a weight to make you happy but the tire not be right? Because there are instances, quite often actually, where they don't need any weight. But I have added a quarter ounce to a wheen before just because they weren't satisfied with a perfectly balanced tire and wanted to see a weight on it and it made them happy. Your not really going to feel the diffrence in a qt ounce anyway on heavier tire and wheel combos just on the smaller 13 and 14 inch rims.

Hiw about a weld draglite wheel? I cant find anyone to balance these wheels at all! I tell them they need the correct hub centric attachment and they look at me like im stupid🤷

Was that tire on backwards???

One more question I have 33x12.50r20 tires that I’m putting on 20x9 rims. The tire place wants to charge me 600 dollars for 5 tires that I’m putting on a Jeep wrangler. That’s to put the tires on the rims, the tpsm “which I am providing “, and the balancing. Is that too much for that service

So , in my experience , ive used .25 oz because we had no more ( poor planning and ordering ). I have scratched my head with recalibrating the machine as well...( our machine is not anchored ) !! Why , idk ?? Sometimes you just have to put it on the right rear..Lol

Where are you guys located

Where are you guys located?

1:13 When you realize you get minimum wage to bust your ass so you put on the whole box

You should have shown the proper position of the weights you put on the wheel

Do brand new wheels and tires need to be balanced

Each time after 0 - 0 balancing complete I ask mechanic to turn wheel 90 deg anywise and check again: always some 10 - 15 g disbalance appears. When I ask to explain why so - every time hear new “scientific “ explanation.

Also one thing you forget to mention is that, when a shop balances a tire the tire might've left that shop Balanced 0-0 but if that customer put 12k miles on that tire obviously it's not gonna check out 0-0 again at another tire shop. FYi

But you never showed us how to correctly install the tire weights. And if those readings on the screen there at the end of the video was for that tire then the problem is not fixed cause you are still 3 quarters off..

Toyota wheels are notorious for being difficult to balance due to the center hub design.

Seems like if that tire is so unusually out of balance even after recentering it, you should sparate the tire and inspect it all.

Wtf happened? Ya skip the most important part of fixing the balance. 🤣

This video seems like it went exactly opposite of what the headline would suggest

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That's funny.... stacking up so many weights....lol! I would think common sense would tell anyone use the fewest weights to limit the area where they are placed....

With that chassis ventilation it wouldn’t even be allowed on the road here in Europe. Nice car though.

My shop fucked around and put weights on only two wheels wtf And my steering wheel still on the front left a little bit n it gives more violent at 70 miles an hour I need suggestions ASAP before in the morning

I don't see the OK on the screen?? That is an awful expensive machine not to get it perfect. Yes, I also have the Hunter Road Force and I found sometime a breakdown and reseat of the bead can help.

What did I just see? Talking about other people out of the side of his neck only to find out,,, he is one of those people! Never spun the tire on the wheel so they will never know. What was the runout of the tire? They were checking the wheel not the tire.

I love how there's always some shady mechanic out there doing shady work and calling it good.

U didt show me how u got it down from 7.00 to .50

So did you guys put 7 oz on it ?!! LOL !!!

I ordered wheels and tires from Mr Wheel Deal. They sent me one wheel with 19oz of weight another with 11oz of weights and 2 wheels with 3oz of weights. I cant believe they would let there techs send shit out like that. So disappointed with that company and will never buy from them again.

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The tire is getting ready to separate and blow out

You failed to show us the 'after' weights

Anything more then 2.5 ozs The tire is defective it was built wrong from the tire factory. I know I worked a tire buffer at a factory. Throw the tire out.

The people before you guys put way to many weights and stacked by 3 💀😂come on now

I’m dead 🤦🏻‍♂️

Good luck.. They won’t call you back!

He will tell the customer how the previous installer ruined the tire… Come on guys

Aamco transmission's technician present I see this kind of trash everyday an people come in a try to tell me who did an why an how I should do the repair

Holy Shit lol

I'd balance tire until it says OK and ok or 0oz and 0oz. Not leaving with .25oz or .50oz off and go back to the car.

That wheel is bent. Calls for wayyyyyy too much weight

Pretty obvious to me the goodyear tire was junk!

And this video title is????? Wow. You actually put this out as it is… weird.

Haha I don't get the watch comment at all.

Gangsta turn the road force off

It seems the police are so determined to catch all the drug dealers , yet here we have in my opinion a normal trip to a technician after having problems with a vehicle, it doesn’t have to be a vehicle it could be some work you have had done elsewhere, it can take in my opinion about 3 or 4 technicians before the problem gets fixed, it’s a lawless society that is broken and everyone knows it yet nothing is being done

fortunately u dont know how to use your equipment but u putting down another shop. how am I to know it was balanced properly u didn't show the complete process your technician had to change adapters and he got 7oz that was more than u started with.

Not every where has the best of the best, like he said at the end, talking shit about the way it was and then find out it was in the best spot even with all you your equipment and then cutting it out and then taking forever, they probably payed next to nothing at a discount place and that's probably all the weights they had, big knobby tires dont ride smooth