When a "Music Rights Expert" tries to ruin Undertale's Biggest Fangame | Sebastian Wolff Vs. Yellow 

A few hours after this video released, the Yellow Twitter account sent a message to Sebastian Wolff on behalf of Toby Fox about the $10k bet. Toby basically says that there isn't explicit proof 7 years ago, but still denounces Wolff for his irresponsibility. Toby apologises on behalf of Wolff, and even offers to donate 20 THOUSAND DOLLARS to Yellow's favourite charity. He also says he wants to set clearer guidelines for copyright on his music, which would be very much appreciated since his music rights distributors have failed at that already. Furthermore, Toby has also pushed to rectify other Materia Music issues, such as getting Laura Platt, who made piano arrangements of the Deltarune OST, credited again for her work after Materia removed her name from their website when she left the company. You can read Toby's full message about Yellow below: "Sebastian is right. The UNDERTALE Yellow team did not receive explicit permission from me to publish any music until recently. However, even if Sebastian is technically correct, the way that he handled this situation was wrong. Making a bet against a creator of a fanwork is extremely unprofessional in a way I shouldn't even have to explain. As I have explained to Sebastian in private -- if well-meaning fans have made a mistake, it should be our job to figure out how to help them make it right. More than anything, we should be supporting the love and passion of our fans at every opportunity. As a token of apology, I have donated $20,000 to the charity of UNDERTALE Yellow Team's choice - AbleGamers. You can consider it as $10k for Sebastian, and $10k from myself. Moving forward, I'd like to create a more clear set of guidelines for the usage of UNDERTALE's audio, as well as provide better information on how to license the music properly. Thanks everyone for being understanding. - Toby"

The funniest thing is that Toby responded with a message where he donated 20k to UTY and basically told Wolff to go stand in the corner lol

Sebastian Wolf sounds like Toby's evil cartoonish twin

'Music Rights expert" just seems to be a fancy term for "I'll show you how to bully people with copyright."

Imagine making a fangame so good that CEO of the music holder of the original game is worried about losing revenue.

I hope that Toby realizes what an unreliable company material turned out to be, and that he drops them. No one deserves a company that directly goes against your wishes and can just do whatever they want at a whim.

Honestly,toby fox is someone who really respects the community of fans making fangames especially Undertale yellow. Undertale yellow is such a very much an interesting fangame.

Since when has a music rights company ever been the good guy in these situations? Wolffe can return to striking down vods any day he chooses as this is a recent development, it'll only end for sure with Toby's intervention. Unfortunately as an Undertale outsider, Toby's been radio silent since the charity event.

toby also literally gave Yellow the go ahead when it was in early development.

Sebastian Wolff really just said, "Erm, actually 🤓☝️"

"I may be a villain, but I'm not a monster... A monster would hesitate" - Sebastian Wolf

5:16 Usage License, Mechanical License, Derivative Work License... What, do they need my driver’s license now?

The Poetic Implications of having dudes named Fox and Wolff at odds with eachother are really something. Im glad this got resolved.

Something that I want to add in is that Toby fox has gone on record saying that people are allowed to make fan games and use the logo and stuff like that in fan games so if someone wanted to make a fangame for there favorite game and remix some songs and use the logo they can and Toby has gone on record that They can do that

Toby and the community can be so thankful for people making games like Undertale yellow or Deltatraveler, so that we don't need to wait so long for more official content

Sebastian’s tweet feels like him saying “hey you gotta pay for that”

Big corporations being pointlessly stingy about copyright. It happens all the time. Nintendo is most known example, but it probably happens with other companies as well. One of the good things about Indy games is that shit like this isn't supposed to happen, so this is honestly kind of funny because it perfectly represents the difference between indy devs and big companies in that Toby has to fight a company unrelated to the development of his game just to get them to stop being assholes. Edit: Watched Cibles interview with Materia and have come to the conclusion that this comment was blaming the entire company for what Sebastian Wolf did, which was unfair. I apologize for that.

sucks that such a good fangame is being smited by the copyright gods, which I really feel is unfair given the materia collective terms of use. Edit: After Watching through the video, I am partly happy with the ending of this, however it's still unfair.

Toby recently made a public response, kinda. He asked the UTY team to relay a message to Wolff that he sent them. It can be found under a reply Wolff made to Kaiserneko (from Team Four Star) under the response the UTY team made.

"Ok these guys were working 7 years on a fangame and made it free lets sue them for 10k dollars!"

a wolff being beaten by a fox, never thought id see the day

Every lawyers have to know no matter how strict a law/copyright is, it cant hold a candle to the internet

The wolf is going to eventually ruin the company down to the ground and going to have a bad time

Fucking "Sebastian Wolf" LMAO Edit: 8:00 this is straigh up the virgin vs chad meme.

This is certainly a most bizarre situation

In every story there is always a villain =)

How has no one noticed. Sebastian WOLF and Toby FOX. My matpat theory is star fox

Mr. Wolff went about it entirely wrong, yes, but he does have some important points to consider. Copyright law is VERY fragile. Ever wonder how the trampoline got its name? It wasn't the name of a product, but the name of the first company who invented it. But, over time, other companies made their own versions of it, and began associating the name "Trampoline" with the name of the product, rather than the company, causing them to lose their trademark on the name. Copyright can usually only be as secure as you choose to enforce it, and if one day there were to be somebody who chose to abuse Toby's music lisence and profit off of it in a way Toby would not want, they would have an extremely strong case to demonstrate that Toby's copyrights don't hold up at all anymore, as he treats it more like a copy-LEFT lisence. If Mr. Wolff was under the impression that his job was to protect that Copyright to some extent, he'd be a bit offput to see that his ACTUAL job basically consists of doing the exact opposite of that by allowing every person who files a dispute to use it freely. Of course, none of this justifies the way he behaved, but that's not the point of what I'm talking about anyway.

Seb. Wolff: “Undertale Yellow infringed copyright laws blah blah even if TOBY FOX, UNDERTALE’S CREATOR, said it’s fine, and also that it followed the old guidelines that we changed all of a sudden without any news, and now they’re not following it, so now we can legally do it!”

Toby fox should still switch to a new copyright holder

This is mostly caused by a lack of clear terminology and "legal greed". Toby Fox has a more open sentiment of his music that is abnormal in the industry, and because of that he needs to jump through extra hoops to prevent people from assuming the legal default. Lawyers are fueled by money (which is not a bad thing, necessarily, it is their job, and this is money for them AND their clients), and that's likely why Wolff took his stance. It doesn't change how unprofessional, irrelevant, and inconsistent his statements were though.

Toby Fox is truly a legend game developer!

Tl;dr "You can't use the creator's material. You are all foolish to think this is fine. The creator would never tell you to use his material" The creator: "Use my material"

So is Sebastian gonna make that $10k donatiom to the Yellow team?

If Toby Fox went to Celeste Mountain and stared at a mirror, Sebastion Wolff would be staring back.

Anyone else waiting to see how long until Toby drops Sebastian?

Theres no copyright music only some remixes and fan themes and Toby fox claimed himself hes fine with those

MateriaMusic: Hoy no mi rey

WHERE THE MONEY AT WOLF BOY 🐺

Sebastian Wolf biting the curb in 4K

UTY Tweet + Sebastian Wolf seeing it = Not only the joke flying over his head but showed the world he's bootleg Derek Savage

I’m watching the intro right now and I need to say that, objectively speaking, the best indie game soundtrack is Shovel Knight, which is also the best indie game in general. I will die on this hill.

I'm embarrassed to share his first name.

I have both games and this literally infuriates me.

4:19 i just wanna point out that this means they probably didnt even watch the video, found the first video on cibles' channel labeled "undertale yellow", and denied the wrong video xd

Knowing how Toby was in the past, I'd be disappointed if he _didn't_ say more; he's always been supportive of the community

"Stand with Gooper!" vibes fr

Part of me wishes that after resolving the UTY issue, Toby got intrigued about the fangame being so popular and decided to play it himself. While i hardly doubt he'd make it canon to UT universe or something like that, i think even he would be impressed by the amount of work put into it. A public statement by Toby that he played/enjoyed UTY would be even more of a treat (for example, he could mention it in his next newsletter). While unlikely, it's something i would really like to see.

Oh hey, you know when you said use of Undertale music "could" be at risk of being flagged for other content? Change that to is* at risk. My second channel that I stream on got nailed by Materia Music just yesterday which prompted me to look in to this issue.

Why do so many people fail so hard in there Job... One call and everything is clear. 🤦 ✌️🐰

At this point I’m just waiting for Sebastian Wolff to try this again BECAUSE HE WILL I will bet eternal Bragging rights in the afterlife if I’m wrong. Only for him to finally get his karma and either A: be fired or B: Toby dumps them. Because with how Wolff not only treated the situation but I still treating the situation. I personally would say “no” and dump the company and look for another one or set up a bot to do my work

i still dont get how Sebastian Wolff thinks

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Sebastian wolf is 30% to being the theft king of the undertale community and that’s cringe 💀

I think it all started because he's greedy

This whole situation is kinda sad, because Sebastian Wolff is in the right here and I totally get what he’s saying. Undertale yellow didn’t get a license to use undertale music or the logo and yet was generating revenue from the music being on music streaming platforms, that’s definitely a legal issue, and needed to be sorted out. I just wish the whole situation was handled in a nicer way. The worst part is that if you look into Sebastian Wolff it’s clear he’s not doing this “for the money” or anything, he’s just a REALLY strong activist for vgm composers and believes they should receive proper royalties for their work. I think thats a commendable goal to work towards, even if it conflicts with how vgm is essentially treated as royalty free bgm on RU-vid. I don’t think Sebastian Wolff is a bad guy, I think he just got frustrated seeing the ut soundtrack get “plagiarized” under the legal definition when he really should’ve been more sympathetic and kind towards the ut yellow devs.

Toby is amazing, but c'mon man, this is just outrageously so... 5:59

What is your opinion of the Ark soundtrack (Mainly genesis two)

if i ever become a music creator (Im not talented enough) i will NOT be using this company. This is a complete PR fail lmao

Intellectual property as a concept should have never existed.

I feel like toby might smite them if they keep being dumb

I dunno I feel like mario and FF don't compare to undertale, omori and persona just sayin

undertale yellow was greenlit tho

Sebastian is right under the assumption that you agree with capitalism. 😂 Its a free game. It doesn't play by greedy capitalist rules. I've never heard a CEO say a valid opinion.

screw materia btw

Toby Fox is so based

Another W from Toby Fox

HUZZAH victory is ours

It’s so BIttersweet.

This game is just too good

Wait sebastian wolf is real ? I thought it was a dumb meme people made lol

Aye’

Sebastian Wolff really is the evil toby fox fr

No, this isn't the CEO's mistake, this is toby fox's mistake for entrusting the music to this company. As long as capitalism exists nothing can be done to force owners of companies to be good people short of toby showing up and suing them for everybody else's damages or something. In every case entrusting something to a company gives them all the power over everyone that doesn't have that ownership, and no accountability. The entire concept of capitalism is that everything has to be managed by somebody exclusively in exchange for nobody else having control over it even to be able to make them be a good person. That is terrifying. Nobody should put up with this. We should all just demand that "music distribution" can only be handled by state businesses and we are not going to have autonomous businesses separate from society any more, so that they are accountable to democracy instead of accountable to nobody

undertale yellow is not good, i cant wallhump >:( /j

STOP CALLING CIBLES A SHE!!! HE'S COEARLY A HE!!! Rant over 😊

"Music _Rights_ Expert" "Not A Lawyer" Oxymoron: a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction

Toby Fox… Sebastian Wolf… Man his name sounds like an evil doppelgänger of Toby Fox wtf.

Thankfully, Toby has managed to solve this problem and donated $20k to the charity the creator of Undertale Yellow was supporting. Plus is working on new guidelines for the use of his music.

Honestly, since Toby's music is basically copyright free he should take his music back and make it copyright free

He's a wolf hungry for that money

Mr. Fox needs to get his copy machine fixed.