When Bach Invented Swing 170 YEARS EARLY! Contrapunctus II from the Art of Fugue

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Written in the 1740s (the final decade of his life) Johann Sebastian Bach’s The Art of Fugue is a striking example of ‘late style’. In it, Bach distilled the expertise of forty years of contrapuntal practice in an extraordinary sequence of fugues and canons based on a single thematic idea. The cycle remained unfinished, and the final fugue breaks off, mysteriously, shortly after the composer introduced his own name, B A C H (in English notation B flat A C B natural) as a fugue subject. It was almost as if he was signing off his life’s work.
Contrapunctus II is the second Fugue in the cycle and elaborates the fugue subject with dotted rhythms. His approach here is no doubt influenced by ’French Style’ performance practice of the period in which pairs of 'notes inégales’ are played in a manner that might today be described as ’swung’. The dotted notation implies that the ratio of swing is more severe than 2:1 but possibly less severe than 3:1. Coupled with the use of tied notes, the syncopations enliven Bach’s magnificent contrapuntal fabric in a strikingly groovy way.
A fugue always has a main theme (called the subject) which is presented in several voices at the start, each entering in succession. The subject counterpoints with a secondary theme called a countersubject: in this fugue, the subject is in rather solemn half notes and the countersubject is in more dance-like dotted rhythm with some syncopation. Throughout the fugue, Bach brings in the subject, from time to time, in all the main related keys. These entries of the subject alternate with freer episodes, so the structure of the fugue has a kind of ebb and flow. At the end of the fugue, there is a final climactic presentation of the subject in the home key so that the fugue comes to a fully resolved and satisfying conclusion.
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Contrapunctus II from The Musical Offering by J.S. Bach.
Realisation by Matthew King
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@radio.ned1385 Год назад

Some good old-fashioned baroque 'n' roll

@_samuelfrancis_ Год назад

AHAHAHAH

@shrimpbeat Год назад

LMAOO

@jarosemann1228 Год назад

LMAO

@MitchBoucherComposer Год назад

I love good puns like these. If it's not Baroque, don't fix it!

@dabendan79 Год назад

bach and roll

@Daniel_Ilyich Год назад

It's interesting that so many Jazz musicians take inspiration from Bach. There are so many phenomenal Jazz arrangements, variations, etc. I recently heard a Saxophone Quintet play Bach's Toccata and Fugue for Organ, BWV 565 (The Quintessence Saxophone Quintent (corny name, but the playing is anything but). Then there are the famous Swingle Singers. And, I'm currently enamored with a recording called "Bach & Me" by the Vernizzi Jazz Trio.

@Suplex479 Год назад

In his day Bach wasn't known for his compositions, but for his ability to improvise on the organ

@ThunderWhalesPicnic Год назад

Had a listen myself to "Bach & Me" and it is indeed fascinating! Never would have discovered it otherwise, thanks

@egilsandnes9637 Год назад

Swingle Singers take on Die Kunst der Fuge is one of my favourite things!

@rodschmidt8952 11 месяцев назад

Scott Joplin specifically studied Bach. He could be thought of as a German Composer!

@upside_you_mop 10 месяцев назад

Listen to Kapustin's suite in the old style it's amazing

@evanmisejka4062 Год назад

Don't forget the French overture style where not only dotted rhythms are exaggerated, but also they would "swing" regular eighth notes

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Interesting point. Bach's Contrapunctus VI is definitely in French Overture style, with all the different rhythmic characters of the genre. This one is all in swung pairs - I agree it is French 'notes inégales' style but I think it's the 6th piece that is in the Overture style.

@touficsarkis283 Год назад

@@themusicprofessor i believe he is speaking of a different piece, his ouverture in the french style in b minor

@valerietaylor9615 Год назад

Yes, it was the French who invented swing, not Bach.

@nickcarroll8565 3 месяца назад

A jazz prof at my college said he had yet to find a rhythm used in jazz they he had not found in Bach’s work.

@DJKLProductions Год назад

In my opinion, the best "swinging" recording of Contrapunctus 2 is by Joanna MacGregor, an underrated pianist. She is very good at highlighting the contrapuncti, or more generally cantus firmi, with light, not too strong, emphasis. It is also she who plays the Contrapunctus 2 of the Art of Fugue in an almost swinging manner. Her recording is my favourite.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Oh absolutely! And it's her recording I recommend in the video description. Her entire performance of the cycle is really marvellous. Joanna is a huge talent.

@DJKLProductions Год назад

@@themusicprofessor Yes, I saw your recommendation, but since not everyone looks at the video description, I wanted to highlight it. That said, I just got an idea for a future video while listening to the Mystery Sonatas (also known as the Rosary Sonatas) by Heinrich Biber. Leaving aside the fact that this sonata cycle would be worth a video, or several, I noticed that at the end of the last Adagio, which is in 12/8 time, of the sixth sonata changes to 8/12. This is quite unusual for baroque music. I mean, time signatures not based on denominators like 2, 4, 8, 16 (etc.) didn't really appear until the 20th century. I only noticed this strange time signature change because it's the first time I'm watching /l istening to these sonatas as/through a score video. To rule out the possibility that it was a mistake on the part of the engraver, I looked at other editions and lo and behold: 8/12 is used everywhere, but the actual note values notated correspond to a 4/4 time signature. From the aforementioned bar change onwards, the music is played faster, which suggests an interpretation that regards a triplet quaver (aka triplet eighth note) as a "twelfth note", which would actually correspond to the theoretical note value: if one divides a 4/4 bar (which can also be notated as 1/1) into quaver triplets, this corresponds to a division into twelve equal beats. If you now take only eight of them and use them as the basis for a bar measure, you have an 8/12 bar. Of course, doing this only makes sense if it is preceded by a time signature based on regular eighth notes, as is the case with that last Adagio from the sixth Mystery Sonata. Here it is a 12/8 time signature. That said, as mentioned above, the entire Mystery Sonata cycle is worthy of one or more videos, as it is one of, if not the earliest evidence of intensive use of scordatura, as well as double and triple stops.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Thank you. I'll have a look. It sounds fascinating.

@konokonokonoko Год назад

For the most jazzy version of this piece, look no further than Berlin Bach Academy Soloists' 2000 album. You will hear the double bass, piano, and vibraphone. Could be right out of a Modern Jazz Quartet album.

@seanmundy8952 Год назад

In Bach's BWV 30 Cantata, "Freue dich erloste Schar", there is a swing groove in the alto aria "Kommt, ihr angefochtnen Sunder" (fifth movement of the cantata following the alto recit). It really swings in the continuo and obilgatto violin parts, as well in parts of the solo flute that duets with the alto. Not only does it swing and have a great groove, it's just an overall beautifully written aria.

@MitchBoucherComposer Год назад

Kozena's performance is beautiful: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-fbzbxSm5ndk.html

@jihanjoo Год назад

Also the bass line of the aria Geduld in St. Matthew's Passion

@karolcpm- Год назад

There is a saying that "Bach did it all", the swing in jazz especially. Add more "swing" by playing the video at 1.25x speed. ;)

@themusicprofessor Год назад

We kept it at this speed, just so the animated/analytical element wasn't too much of a rush!

@ShhshssDhhddhhd-ln8bq 5 месяцев назад

Music is the king of all arts and Bach is the god of music.

@OziCastle 7 дней назад

The little dancing men always make me chuckle :))

@davidtatro7457 Год назад

One of my best friends in high school played clarinet (I play trombone). He had a book of simple Bach duets arranged for clarinets, and most every day we would read through one of them straight and then play it again swung. They always sounded just as good when swung as they did straight.

@blackmage1276 Год назад

I think swung rhythm is simply extremely natural for humans and so it shows up in our music

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Absolutely right!

@bogdanpatedakislitvinov2549 Год назад

These videos are amazing, loved the fast walking legs 😂

@rocketsroar1 Год назад

This is jazz about 2 centuries before it showed up in pop music.

@MrYuryZ Год назад

Wow! Thank you for this video! Love this music! Coundn't stop to lisening to Bach's music. I think Contrapunctus 4 is also sounds very jazzy... or maybe I just so much into Bach's music so that I want to listen to it more on your channel as well :) Anyway, thank you again. Keep it up and may God bless you and your loved ones.

@tonydarcy1606 Год назад

Whether it's "swing" or not, there's no doubt in my mind that Bach liked to get feet tapping !

@nickjameson9601 Год назад

Bach was a real one

@ScarRach Год назад

I just love that, however the fact, that Bach didn't notate this rhythm in the original but notated it with straight eights shows, that it was common practice to play this piece of music like that, since it reminds of other pieces/dances. So inventing would definetly not the right term with that one, hoowever the BWV 826 Capriccio sound just like a boogie woogie or something and it is notated like that :)

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Rhythmic notation in the Baroque era was a good deal more fluid than it tends to be nowadays (except in Jazz notation of course). But yes, you are right: the capriccio in C minor is dead groovy.

@kandelz Год назад

Definitely a cool piece!

@carinethimister9320 Год назад

Ce brave JS Bach nous épatera toujours. Il est juste incroyable ! Merci.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Merci pour votre commentaire. Bach est en effet incroyable ! Mozart aussi.

@LioMcAllisterMusic-sw4vj Год назад

Did Bach invent the walking bass?

@themusicprofessor Год назад

I'm gonna say yes

@timothy4664 Год назад

Was the bass walking on a ground?

@deidara1792 Год назад

@@timothy4664 y e s

@ccbcco Год назад

No. But he got close.

@DanielSilva-gc4xz Год назад

Prelude in b minor from the first book of the well tempered clavier.

@omegads3862 Год назад

I've heard that french rhythm has this convention. Actually I like these swing rhythms, its like a fresh air.

@danielharris9403 10 месяцев назад

"Notes inegales" - Couperin wrote about it. The ratio of the note "inegalité" depended on the individual, so they often weren't notated - no different from today.

@floriandevuyst 3 месяца назад

Excellent !!

@chrissahar2014 5 месяцев назад

Actually kind of a common rhythm then called the Scotch snap or Lombard Rhythm. This was picked up in Jazz as part of the great melting part of folk styles that led to its development one of which was the Scotch snap from Scottish dances which was prominent in some of them. Bach uses it quite well here and later we get a greater deal of syncopation in one of the variations of the second mvmt from Beethoven's last sonata. So Bach didn't invent swing really -- you can hear "proto-swing" in works by Couperin in the style of writing unequal note values to inflect a localized swing (the larger beat units as even in this Bach work were much more in keeping with traditional accents of beats in a measure). Bach though had an intricate and quite sophisticated use of rhythm for his time. here is just one of many examples of his mastery of rhythm and creative usage in BWV 684 - fun to hear and a beautiful rush to play well. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-pURcqQFIQDs.html

@howlinmad03 Месяц назад

Oh great. Bach is having another episode.

@MonikaHarper 4 месяца назад

Love Bach little treasure melodies

@EliSpotts 11 месяцев назад

Look at the second partita capriccio. It has a bit of a jazz feel in some measures. While Gould's recording of the Partita is my favorite, you can feel the swing more in Argerich's recording.

@someopinion922 Год назад

it is also said that the notes inegales are the historical origin of Jazz etc (via New Orleans).

@themusicprofessor Год назад

I don't think there's necessarily a direct connection: it's just that swung rhythms are a natural part of being human!

@someopinion922 Год назад

@@themusicprofessor I know, most people hate the idea, it ruins the ironclad conviction in their mind that 'classical' and jazz/rock/pop are separate categories.

@nickvuci Год назад

@@themusicprofessor that swing is a universal part of being human is a very interesting take. Do you by any chance have any references of any music that’s not directly tied to the French style in which swing plays a prominent role? I’d be very interested to see that, thanks in advance.

@giampierogirolamo7134 5 месяцев назад

Great channel ❤

@ranchopatriot Год назад

As they say, the greatest architect of sound.

@chessematics Год назад

I knew it's this piece by just seeing the title.

@MitchBoucherComposer Год назад

You're smarter than me, then! I had NO clue what piece was going to be in the video.

@BsktImp Год назад

Surprised the Swingle Singers never recorded this, although they did do Contr. IX.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Yes. That is surprising. They may not immediately realised how potentially jazzy it was (from Bach's rather severe notation).

@CA-9526 7 месяцев назад

Roll over Bach

@rodschmidt8952 11 месяцев назад

Those are played as triplets (two beats then one beat), but they are written as dotted notes (three beats then one beat).

@conrantonios.castillo9481 Год назад

The Gigue from Partita in E minor BWV 830, both have straight and swing rhythms.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Yes indeed - András Schiff interprets the implied swing in Bach's straight notation in his performances of the piece.

@conrantonios.castillo9481 Год назад

@@themusicprofessor Glenn Gould plays the movement of this piece in a straight rhythm.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

He does.

@YourBestNeighbor7 Год назад

Finally! Thanks so much for this video, so these dotted rhythms are indeed 3:1 swing ratio?

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Some of them are 4:1 but others are somewhere between 4:1 and 3:1 - more like 7:3. We know from pieces like Bach's E minor Partita (especially the Gavotte and the final fugal gigue) that Bach's rhythmic notation is quite free, and depends on an understanding of the rhythmic/stylistic conventions of Baroque performance practice in order to play it as he probably intended.

@YourBestNeighbor7 Год назад

@@themusicprofessor does the same also applies to Beethoven's Sonata No.32 in C Minor? Is it strictly 2:1 or actually variable?

@BenjaminMaurThuen Год назад

he is the greatest, after all

@mallorga1965 Год назад

Inégalité!

@pta8694 Год назад

Bach is the complete guide book for music he also invented minor 7th

@Emiliasooo Год назад

Niceee!

@user-zz5te5nw7g 16 дней назад

Oscar Petersons Bach Suite comes to mind

@karayuschij 5 месяцев назад

Jacques Loussier understood very well that Bach was a swinger ;)

@kasparisdead 10 месяцев назад

I laughed when I saw my comment at the beginning of the video. Apologies if it came off like I was hating on the video. I just wanted to point this amazing piece of music out.

@harryk4840 Год назад

Bachgod

@katielee.8109 5 месяцев назад

if you want more baroque examples of swing, look no further than "al dolor che vo' sfogando": ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UP12QWhXFlE.html

@Robotie Год назад

Andantino from C.V. Alkan's Trois Petites Fantaisies Op. 41 is also quite swingy

@themusicprofessor Год назад

I must listen.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

I have listened. Yes, it's remarkable. Thank you for the suggestion. The third piece is pretty far out as well: the beginning sounds like it should have been written in the 1980s!

@NotTheWheel Год назад

Good video I wish I could hear different bits played on different instruments it was hard for me to decode without the visual aid what was going on.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Yes. Bach intended it to be played on a keyboard instrument so I decided to realise it that way. For a really marvellous orchestration of one of Bach's Contrupuncti, check out Luciano Berio's beautiful orchestration of the final fugue: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HMFKqoEAG7M.html

@skern49 Год назад

@@themusicprofessor That's a contentious statement, and the arguments for it are pretty flimsy, to be honest, and easily dismantled: 1) "It was common practice in the 17th and early 18th centuries to publish keyboard pieces in open score, especially those that are contrapuntally complex." It was also common practice to publish contrapuntally complex keyboard pieces in normal, grand-staff notation, so this doesn't sway the evidence one way or another. Further, the examples provided are, save for one, about 100 years before Bach. 2) "The range of none of the ensemble or orchestral instruments of the period corresponds to any of the ranges of the voices in The Art of Fugue. Furthermore, none of the melodic shapes that characterize Bach's ensemble writing are found in the work, and there is no basso continuo." This assumes the alternative to being written for keyboard is that it is written for specific instruments. This is not the claim. The claim is that the instrumentation is unspecified, therefore whether or not the range fits specific instruments is a moot point. The same goes for the issue of melodic shapes which would be idiomatic of certain instruments. 3) "The fugue types used are reminiscent of the types in The Well-Tempered Clavier, rather than Bach's ensemble fugues; Leonhardt also shows an "optical" resemblance between the fugues of the two collections, and points out other stylistic similarities between them." First, if this were actually the case, then why isn't WTC in open score? Second, the vast, vast majority of Bach's fugues are written for keyboard. There are only a smattering of fugues for other ensembles, not nearly enough for anybody to classify any sort of 'fugue type' which is only used for ensemble playing. 4) "Finally, since the bass voice in The Art of Fugue occasionally rises above the tenor, and the tenor becomes the "real" bass, Leonhardt deduces that the bass part was not meant to be doubled at 16-foot pitch, thus eliminating the pipe organ as the intended instrument, leaving the harpsichord as the most logical choice." This is the worst one of all. If Bach were writing an incredibly dense fugue for 'keyboard' you better believe that organ would be one of, if not the first, choices to perform it. The fact that any evidence points away from organ performance is evidence pointing away from keyboard performance in general.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Well fine - I'm sure there's plenty of heated discussion to be had over this which I don't propose to have here. But this is my personal view: Bach had a particular focus in his final decade on several great late contrapuntal 'variation' projects, conceived (as the master keyboardist he was) in terms of execution at the keyboard. The reason for my view is simple: the music lies perfectly under the hands. If he did not intend it to do so, he wouldn't have written it that way. The fact that it is written on 4 staves (and the earlier WTC is not) is only an indicator that, in his final decade, he was keen to show his contrapuntal mastery by writing the different lines on separate staves, and it seems perfectly in character that Bach, always keen to challenge his players, was wanting keyboardists to read from multiple staves and clefs as a way of improving their technical skills. I would suggest that he had already done so with the miraculous 6 part Ricercare from The Musical Offering, which also lies perfectly under the hands of a keyboard player, and is notated on six staves.

@NotTheWheel Год назад

@@themusicprofessor For the record I appreciate your response thank you so much Professor. :)

@skern49 Год назад

@@themusicprofessor Yours is certainly a more convincing argument than the ones I quoted from Gustav Leonhardt, but I would still reiterate one of my previous points, which is that it is not a question of keyboard vs. some specific instrumentation, e.g. 4 vocalists, but rather a question of keyboard vs. unspecified instrumentation. Had Bach wanted to leave it open for various instrumentations, then it would still follow that it would be playable on the keyboard, that being the most common instrument bar none. And to my knowledge, the pieces seem to be devoid of any particularly idiomatic keyboard figurations. Bach indeed had a particular focus on contrapuntal complexity in his final decade, but this goes hand in hand with his renewed interest in music of past Renaissance masters, which was strictly vocal. Further, I would say that during other periods of his life he was much more focused on keyboard instruments specifically. But yeah, we don't have to go back and forth about it. The topic is a bit boring, and the music sounds perfect on keyboard or any other ensemble. Anyway, love your videos, keep 'em coming!

@Nooticus Год назад

Well to me this is nowhere near as surprising and confusing as the Beethoven example. The harmonic dissonance in this is (as in all Bach fugues) just a result of individual melodic lines and as others have pointed out, its in french overture style, which was pretty common at the time, unlike in beethovens time.

@Nooticus Год назад

Nice video nonetheless though!

@arcturus4067 Год назад

Agree. Swingy rhythm and kinda funky but the solemn fugue subject in a minor key makes it less jazzy. The Beethoven one is like... Goodness Beethoven wrote jazz! 😂 haha

@MaggaraMarine Год назад

@@arcturus4067 I think what this piece is lacking is the syncopated swing rhythm that you find in the Beethoven piece (basically, the "charleston" rhythm). Syncopation is an important part of jazz, not just the swing rhythm in and of itself. I mean, there are plenty of baroque composers who used the "swing rhythm" (a lot of French baroque music is played "swung"), but what that music lacks is the syncopation, which makes it sound quite different from jazz.

@TheNarcotricks 5 месяцев назад

Yes, and Bach's music cures cancer too

@themusicprofessor 5 месяцев назад

Who told you!?

@TheNarcotricks 5 месяцев назад

@@themusicprofessor I can't remember the source of the abstract. Bur it also said that Rameau's music was even more efficient 😉

@saibhandari Год назад

I remember the beethoven video!

@themusicprofessor Год назад

So do I!

@valmandel85 5 месяцев назад

The Lindy Bach

@toast_sandwich. Год назад

I am sorry that I have to comment this, but the subject of this contrapuntal work by Bach reminds me a lot if the main subject of Beethoven's Grosse Fuge in B flat major.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

I'm not sure that you need to apologise! Beethoven studied the Well Tempered Clavier when he was a boy, and learned a lot of his fugal technique from Bach. The use of slow notes to announce a formal fugue subject, followed by more dance-like material, is a common practice is Bach, and Handel and other Baroque composers. Beethoven's Grosse Fuga subject pushes the boat out quite far in terms of the angularity of the intervallic structure (in his final years, Beethoven became obsessed with the top four notes of the harmonic minor scale) and also the strange rhetoric of,off-beat rhythms, trills and silences etc. which are so characteristic of his late style. Some time we will to a video about the GF.

@toast_sandwich. Год назад

@@themusicprofessor Oh wow! That would be very cool if you did a video on it, I love his grand fugue so seeing you make a video of the piece would be awesome!

@nicoladisvevia Год назад

Could almost be a Keith Jarrett piece!

@yat_ii 5 месяцев назад

Isn't notes inegales basically just swing but for baroque music as a whole?

@tedmerr Год назад

He also did an Irish jig.. play "Jesu Joy of Man's Desiring" 2x faster

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Well yes. He would have called it a "gigue"

@tonifischer2421 5 месяцев назад

Did you ever listen to the Jaques Loussier Trio?

@themusicprofessor 5 месяцев назад

yes

@norbertjendruschj9121 5 месяцев назад

Bach survives even Loussier. And if Loussier brings people to listen to the original Bach, I would say to him: Well done!

@burkhardstackelberg1203 Год назад

Didn't the French invent swing when they started using "temps inégal" (non-equal time) on their harpsichord interpretations? Including onsetting of melody notes earlier or later off the beat. So, it would not really be a surprise that jazz was invented in Louisiana, a former French colony.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Yes, the Video description mentions 'notes inégales'.

@burkhardstackelberg1203 Год назад

@@themusicprofessor Haha, I should have read it 😄 So it indeed were the French to come up with jazzy rhythms in high and late Baroque...

@burkhardstackelberg1203 Год назад

Feels like: Jazz was invented during the Baroque period, partly in Italy, partly in France. Walking bass with improvised voices, even the "standard" piece with given voices you adhere to when playing the first time, but only touch very freely the following times - and then get a swing rhythm onto all this, and play with syncopes. Then, it got watered down and almost forgot in Europe, were it not for rare masterpieces like those of Bach and Beethoven, but lived on in French colonies on the American continent where it became africanized, and so the Ba-Rock came back in full glory as Jazz and Rock.

@burkhardstackelberg1203 Год назад

And here we come to Cajun music of the French speaking community in Louisiana. A music with a bit of swing and syncopation and a lot of influence on later Country music.

@burkhardstackelberg1203 Год назад

Even in European classical interpretations from the early 1900s, especially the French ones, you can hear that tad of swing and syncope that only a bit later became much more prominent in Jazz while it almost vanished in the interpretations Classical pieces.

@lawrencetaylor4101 10 месяцев назад

Historical fact. Bach used Otto tuning.

@pianissimo5951 Год назад

well, you should listen to J.P.Rameau's forets paisibles. It's pretty "swingy" too! Edit: make this the theme of your next vid pls (i mean you don't have to but it's fine i guess)

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Rameau is fab. We will feature him soon.

@pianissimo5951 11 месяцев назад

@@themusicprofessor just a friendly reminder incase you forgot to include him

@jaikee9477 3 месяца назад

As the wise king Solomon used to say: There is nothing new under the sun. It's right there and Bach did it 300 years ago.

@thewavingbear 5 месяцев назад

ContraFunktus

@evertvanderhik5774 11 месяцев назад

If you listen to Chick Corea's Live version of Opening '77 at the end some serious classical loops. Not sure if that is Bach, but certainly Baroque I would say. As a fan of Jazz fusion there is a lot around that uses classical pieces in it.

@zachmandernach6650 Год назад

Guess you’ve never heard of inégale. The French were doing this even earlier.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Please look at the Video Description

@MitchBoucherComposer Год назад

*laughs in Lully*

@JonathanOvnat Год назад

Not close to the Beethoven one, swingwise.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

...apart from the swung rhythms and the syncopations! Have a listen to Joanna MacGregor's recording. It's very convincing.

@leifree-pedersen8620 5 месяцев назад

How about 270 years ago?

@davivify 5 месяцев назад

Swing, you say? Not so fast. While it does have a playful, bouncy groove (Go JSB), it's not actually 'swing', as, say, Fats Waller knew it. Why not? Because it's the wrong ratio. A dotted eighth note followed by a 16th is a 3-1 ratio. Swing is 2-1. You can think of it by turning three eighths into a _triple_ and then tying the 1st two together. Produces a _skipping_ rhythm that children seem to intuitively know.

@dr7246 Год назад

As Brahms reputedly said: “study Bach. There you will find everything”

@FirstLast-uj9ud 20 дней назад

Bach was not the “inventor” of swing-at least 100 years before him it was already a staple of French Baroque music (called notes inégales). Listen to practically any recording of Rameau, Couperin, or Lully and you’ll hear it.

@themusicprofessor 19 дней назад

Yes - I know the wonderful note inégale tradition. Sometimes these titles are a little bit tongue in cheek.

@jillatherton4660 3 месяца назад

Inegales! How French.

@PedroIaco 5 месяцев назад

Music is discovered not invented

@tfpp1 5 месяцев назад

This video is not making a very effective case when it’s played in “triplets” instead of “dotted-rhythms”. It’s just being played incorrectly.

@jopaosla9110 4 месяца назад

Notation is not an exact science when it comes to rhythm. Performers often take small (or not so small) liberties.

@JSLing-vv5go 11 месяцев назад

Not remotely swing. Just a dotted eighth note followed by a sixteenth note. I mean if you're going to trace swing back centuries, why not 16th century British jigs? Or if it has to be classical, there are countless gigues to look to.

@opussy Год назад

Before reading your above note I was going to write as I do now how difficult it is to distinguish between a dotted rhythm and a non-dotted. The difference in duration is if my arithmetic is correct just one twelfth. The Ride of the Valkyries is also dotted yet often sounds like a fast waltz.

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Yes. That's right. Wagner's Ride is interesting because the anapest rhythm which he uses (and which he borrowed from Beethoven's 7th symphony, first movement) is very tricky to play: it has an essential rhythmic ambiguity which makes it sound simultaneously like a unit of 3 eighth notes OR 2 dotted eighth notes!

@Leofiora Год назад

@@themusicprofessor En está intepretacion se percibe un acento de corchea - semicorchea, lo cual no es lo que se aprecia en la partitura de corchea con puntillo - semicorchea. Dudo de que Bach aprobara tal deformación de estilo

@themusicprofessor Год назад

I think it's impossible to say what Bach would have disapproved of. But I do think we have plenty of evidence that Baroque composers had a more fluid conception of rhythm.

@Leofiora Год назад

@@themusicprofessor creo que es imposible también tocar corchea con puntillo y semicorchea, como si fuera corchea con semicorchea. Es mas que una opinión. Es matemática. Asi de simple.

@ltsch1671 Год назад

Thats no swing feeling but okay.

@tonymartin6199 Год назад

Excuse me west African music was swinging thousands of years before Bach. Seriously stop trying to take black musical innovations from the people that created it. This is not jazz, blues, or rock presented here… Look deeper into the ingrained nationalism within the european worldview. What exactly are we perpetuating here….

@ART_IS_EVERYTHING Год назад

this is way better than jazz, blues or rock….

@themusicprofessor Год назад

Nothing is being perpetuated here. This video has no intention of undermining the innovations of West African music, or later innovations in Jazz, blues, rock etc. for whom the creators of this video have immense respect. It is simply pointing out the fascinating use of swing-style patterns in Bach's music - nothing more than that. Not everything has to be reduced to the same culture-war level of argument.

@Someonedoingnothing Год назад

Yet another video ruined by the flipped color scheme on sheet music. Makes it significantly harder to read, and even if I could read it properply, it just looks ugly. Hopefully yourself and other youtubers quit using it ASAP!