When Classic Sonic Bothers Me | Characters In-Depth 

"What forces brought you here this time?" Ok that was actually hilarious

Generations should have been just a one time thing.

I swear Classic looks so lame next to Modern in Generations. Where's that cocky, heart of gold, shonen teenage hero who won't hesitate to help someone by getting it done right, and getting done fast? All he is now is some chibi, cute marketable plushy that doesn't represent the true spirit of Sonic's character, or the series as a whole...

Classic Sonic overstayed his welcome.

Remember when Sonic was just Sonic. Now he is Classic and Modern versions.

I wish Classic Sonic stayed in Generations

Classic Sonic is so uninteresting, he's just a cash grab Sega made to shut up nostalgia pandering critics who "criticize" every other thing Sega does that's creative or experimental. Classic Sonic ain't powerful or unique either, he's just slower nerfed version of Sonic. I wish there was never a Modern or Classic Sonic, just Sonic

"Tails should have been the third playable character". This doesnt even touch on the fact that "Forces" and the resistance going to war with Eggman was a perfect name and scenario to being back gameplay something similar to Heroes. Or at least with most of the cast being playable, since they're all in HQ as it is. Why talk about Forces when it's literally only 2.5 characters? Such a waste of potential and naming.

The "another dimension" thing still pisses me off. It's like Sonic Team tried to copy the loophole they used for Puyo Puyo in order to unretcon the previous worlds' that were built and established for Puyo Puyo up to it's 20th anniversary, and then never realized why it actually worked in Puyo Puyo's case. Spoiler alert, it's because the continuities in Puyo Puyo were always completely different from each other in terms of it's characters and the worlds they take place in, so reviving the two old continuities through dimension hopping wasn't gonna contradict anything established in the latest continuity. Not to mention they make use of the EXTENDED cast of each dimension, instead of just one character. It's wild how the same team can do a great continuity for one series, but then fall flat on their face when making the other.

I just love the fact according to Sonic Jam, Classic Sonic is one year older than Modern Sonic which is straight up hilarious. I hate Classic Sonic and I wish Sega would understand why.

I don’t mind him in Generations since he was made to show how far the series had come, Hell they intended to have an ‘Adventure Sonic’ who was all 3D as a counter although he was cut (because this timeline is evil), but in Forces he was completely forced. Also again, Tails in Forces going crazy after Sonic supposedly died should have been him going berserk and getting in the mech again. Like remember last time he saw Sonic “die” in front of him (where as far as he was concerned it was his fault he was killed) he fought and defeated Eggman even if he couldn’t stop the canon.

Funny thing is, you can see that Classic Sonic has a personality in the Sonic Mania material. And then he loses all of his personality in Sonic Forces...

Gotta say, Yeah, Classic HAS outstayed his welcome in "Modern Sonic" games. As you pointed out, His Role in Games like Sonic Forces, takes a Slot better suited for characters like Tails and Cream. Hell, this could have been a good chance to try sneaking in SatAM Characters like Sally Acorn, Bunnie Rabbot, Antoine D'Coollette, Rotor... They're after all, _Still_ property of SEGA Sonic Team, and CAN Be Implimented into the games... And maybe even play around with Slower Gameplay styles, similar to Knuckle's "Powerglide" style, where he's unable to Speed along, but has strength and the ability to glide. Frankly, the "Rookie" Character should have had more options for Combat, rather than somehow having Sonic's Speed abilities.

It was fine in generations. It made sense. The problem was the never stopped using him........

[Merlina, now transformed as the Dark Queen, is sitting on a throne.] Dark Queen: I've been expecting you. Sonic: Just one question before we settle this. Why'd you do it? Weren't we trying to save this franchise from the underworld? Dark Queen: This franchise will fail one way or another. Such is its fate. Sonic: Huh? Dark Queen: Do you know what is to become of this franchise? Sonic: Beats me. [The Dark Queen starts to walk forward] Dark Queen: The introduction of humans and guns shall doom the franchise. Sonic is struck down by Mephiles, and is then kissed back to life by a human princess. Sonic: ... Dark Queen: This was to be our ideal world. But it will not last... Sonic the Hedgehog and his friends will end in ruin. The 3D world my grandfather Merlin created led to nothing but mistakes... But I can succeed with the power of the scabbard. Creating a 2D kingdom that never ends. [Uses a small portal to summon a Sonic The Hedgehog Mega Drive cartridge.] [A flashback of the "To the Blacksmith" scene with Merlina picking up the same Mega Drive cartridge. Sonic finally realizes what her plans are.] Sonic: What good is a world where Green Hill goes on forever!? Dark Queen: My sorrow at its ruin runs deeper than the depths of the underworld. Do you not understand? Sonic: No! And I don't want to!

I agree, Classic Sonic should've just appeared in 'Generations' and then left out of 'Forces' to make room for any of the other characters.

Unless it’s another Generations like game, classic Sonic in modern games should only be a non-canon unlockable mode

Sega mishandles Classic Sonic by making him a caricature of what Sonic was. Sonic should be Sonic, no matter what the incarnation. I don't like that they basically split the universe in two with Mania and Forces.

The most atrocious thing that with the retcon in Forces has done, is the fact that characters like Mighty, Ray, and The Hooligans are unable to appear in current the IDW series/or games after Forces cause someone, or some people who work at SEGA has this completely fucking stupid mentality that, if these specific characters didn’t show up in games that are are now considered a separate universe because someone at either SEGA or SonicTeam forgot to include these guys in anything after the “bit wars” because clearly there was never a Comic series that ran for nearly twenty five years that expanded on who they were, and kept them relevant until Sonic Mania plus came out....

I'm not a fan of Classic Sonic. I'm not a fan of Modern Sonic. I'm a fan of Sonic.

I feel if a character can be removed from the narrative without it changing anything, their only saving grace is entertainment value. Classic Sonic couldn't even achieve that.

Ken Pontac & Warren Graff: Sonic's friends are cheerleaders! Kevin Munroe: Sonic's companions have a purpose. They need to help him!! They're character development should be explored with sequels!

Honestly, it was just Forces that went overboard with Classic Sonic. Generations and Mania were fine. I think a larger problem is Modern Sonic losing its identity, adopting more and more Classic iconography and badniks and what have you.

7:00 That bothers me so much, it's like just learning I was playing as an imposter ever since SA1, it's like finding out my real parents were replaced after an accident and somehow I just never noticed, but I digress, I won't be taking into account Sonic Team's or Iizuka's dumb last minute retcons.

Huh. I don't remember Genesis Sonic being a balloon.

aw yeah, this is happening! again

Since it's a reupload I think I need to mention it again, 4:24 is incredible.

"WHY DON'T YOU GO BACK TO THE '90s, WHERE YOU BELONG?!"

Sad that we will never see the hooligans along with Mighty and Ray in modern at all due to the classic dimension retcon.

Finally, after ages and ages. I found someone who understands my exact thoughts about Classic Sonic. I used to be a huge Sonic fan, support Sonic in any ways and forms, I was hyped as heck for Generations. I thought it was a nice move to bring back Classic Sonic once but it should've ended there. Now he became irritating and annoying to the point I deslike the games not only because they're not that good, but also because Classic Sonic is there and I've had enough of nostalgia pandering... Seriously I've been wishing for ages to have the same feels of playability and improved from the adventure era... some say I might be adventure biased but it's nice to play a different character other than Sonic and his classic self for once, and yea modern stages should be completly 3D, the 2D sections defeat the purpose of "speed" which is why I'm also a bit agaisnt boost mechanic, but it's nice on some sections of the stage. Also Tails, wth have they done to Tails, remember the Tails from Sonic Adventure 1 and 2? He wanted to prove himself strong without Sonic, now he just cowers and calls for help? I'm not expecting anything big from SEGA or Sonic team next though, I just don't wanna play this formula for the next 20 years.

I also kind of hated how they brought back the Egg Dragoon as an early easy boss when they could have used Chaos 0 to reference the Adventure boss, whether it was Classic Sonic or Tails fighting him.

Lost World does not exist me. It’s a Family Guy episode. I refuse to believe it exists.

5:41 - "AND IT'S-" *ad plays*

Oh boy, this little guy... Ok, I'm just gonna be honest and say that, I wasn't really into Classic Sonic. My introduction to Sonic was in the form of modern Sonic, with my taster in Super Smash Bros Brawl but with my first Sonic game being Sonic Unleashed way back in 2008, despite we had Secret Rings first but didn't played it. Generations came around and I was like; "Ok, what's the idea of having two Sonics in this one game." In the story, I didn't really care much since I thought the story was pretty shallow and really bland. Fast forward 6 years later to Sonic Mania and Forces's teasers, I wasn't invested in Mania and was had high hopes for Forces until he was shown. By the time Forces was out and boy did Classic Sonic was not only pointless, but his "character origin" is just wrong... A different dimension Sonic but not the past Sonic because Sega doesn't care about continuity, it really drives me bananas because of that very piece of info is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, WRONG!!! At this point of time I'm just like; "Sega, please stop using Classic Sonic, especially in the 3D games. Go back to the routes of the Adventure series where we can play as the other characters." I hate to say this, but Sega. You need to do another Sonic 06, not in terms of rushing the development, but bringing back the Adventure style form you left us off with.

I swear sega is like “oh you like this??” “Then well have it in every single game for the 10 games

I so agree with you. Tails or Knuckles should have been playable from the start. Personally I didn't even care for the avatar character. I felt like that was a waste... any main sonic character could of filled that void.

7:23 Sonic: Puts on a silly hat Eggman Nega: *GASP!* PERRY THE PLATYPUS!?

Classic worked in Gens because the game was SUPPOSED to be about Modern meeting Classic. It didn’t work in Forces because that’s not what the game was about, he was just sorta crammed in there. What’s worse though was that Classic’s role in the story was already occupied by someone else - Silver. Silver came from a future where Eggman had won the war to lend the heroes a helping hand, then here comes Classic saying “No, I’LL be the one to lend a hand and turn this thing around!” In fact when you think about it, it doesn’t even make sense because surely that must have already happened in the timeline that led to Silver’s future, right? Surely the ONLY factor that could possibly change the outcome of the war was Silver. But nope, he just gets shafted to minor background character who does nothing of note and we’re given Classic for literally no reason at all. Generations was a game all about celebrating Sonic’s entire history, so yes, it was appropriate for Classic to share the spotlight with Modern. Forces was SUPPOSED to simply be the next mainline game and the focus was SUPPOSED to be on the war between the Mobians and Eggman. We already had plenty of characters to focus on, Classic had no place. In my eyes, Sonic, Avatar and Silver should’ve been the three playstyles, with short DLCs similar to Episode: Shadow focussed on other characters during the conflict. Like there could be an episode where you play as Tails during the time Sonic’s imprisoned and after he breaks out, with a boss fight where he ACTUALLY FIGHTS Chaos 0, before being overwhelmed and needing to be rescued. And then there could be episodes for Knuckles, Vector, Amy, etc., allowing for a wide range of playable characters and an expansive story whilst keeping the main game itself focussed on the 3 main styles.

And yes, given SEGA and Iizuka are really blind to their own fans and prefer to listen to detractors like Arin Hanson/Egoraptor (and they even INVITE THEM OVER FANS!!) and memers, yes, Classic Sonic will be back in the next game. They have stopped caring.

I wasn't even in the fanbase when the Forces trailer came back, but I remember seeing the darker tone and stuff and being like, "Yeah, that's a good move. It's been a while since they did a game with that tone." Then Classic Sonic showed up and I instantly lost all hope of this being good. His inclusion in Forces was such a poor CONCEPT that literally anybody could see that it was a bad idea. Though I suppose Forces in general is something anybody could make a better version of in their sleep.

"So there's the Classic dimension which has Green Hill and Chemical Plant, and the Modern dimension which has Green Hill and Chemical Plant!" Seriously, to all the people at Sega who made this stupid retcon and all the sheep who mindlessly follow them, how does this not sound completely redundant and needlessly convoluted than it all just being one Sonic, one continuous narrative? No matter how much they try to give some kind of in-game explanation for them, these changes are only being made to appease whiney fanboys who can't accept simple alterations like Sonic having green eyes!

If they really need to bring Classic back, why not just make him a skin for Sonic instead of his own character? Just a neat little bonus for older fans, but not forced on the player.

Modern Sonic:"Oh hey it's my clone. So what FORCES brought you here this time?" Me:"I'm a year late, but SHUT UP BEFORE YOU GIVE THEM IDEAS!!!"

There’s actually an explanation for that universe retcon. After Generations, Classic Eggman is aware of all of Modern Eggman’s failures and goes on to make schemes that should work, such as stealing the Phantom Ruby from Angel Island. This creates an alternate timeline where Classic Sonic experiences Mania, but never any of the games past Sonic Adventure. Modern Sonic is still the same Sonic we saw in the 90s, there’s just another one that is having his own separate adventures in another timeline or dimension

I still see Classic as like a prepubescent Sonic, like a preteen/younger teen Sonic, It makes sense when you see how Sonic was getting taller and his hair was getting darker and how RCS's Sonic voice sounds like he's older.

When looking at everything Sega has done with this classic design of Sonic over the last few years, it proves to me that they no longer understand or even care about the continuity of this franchise. There's a quote from the Legacy of Kain series that I feel sums up a lot of the negative effects of what Sega has been doing with all of Classic Sonic and these ridiculous retcons. "History abhors a paradox." That's what Classic Sonic is to me now, especially when he's shoved into games he serves no purpose in. At this point, I'd almost prefer Classic Sonic to disappear and just be nothing but a memory again. His time is over and it's been over since 1998/1999.

I'm 99% confident Classic Sonic is here to stay, and I don't think I'll ever get over it. This is a mockery of the Sonic from the Genesis era.

I honestly loathe the entire existence of a 'Classic Sonic'. Not only does it needlessly split Sonic into two when it's supposed to be the same character, not to mention Classic Sonic doesn't look like that in the context of the universe, it's an artstyle and the classic look isn't what the characters look like canonically. Classic Sonic never talking when Sonic in general is a character that is known to be a wisecracker since the beginning, Sonic Team retconning the classic games being from another universe and not the past doesn't even make sense since the modern titles brought up events that happened in the classic games (Amy remembering what happened in CD during SA1 for an example) and it makes things more confusing esspically when Sonic referenced Generations when he sees Classic. Like this isn't Jay Gerrick and Barry Allen Sega! Not to mention this Generations-Forces desgin looks bad, the classic designs don't look very good in HD renders. It's fine if it's Sonic R or Sonic The Fighters since that polygonal look is more charming because of those imperfections but they do not work in HD. Like that's why they redsign the characters in the first place when the series transition into 3D. The classic look of the characters were never supposed to be in a modern game for crying out loud! It's esspically jarring for Classic to be next to the other Sonic making him look like a little kid when he's known to be a teenger. Here's my whole takeaway, 'Classic Sonic' is what Sega THINKS Sonic in the genesis was. I refuse to believe this 'Classic Sonic' in Generations-Forces is the same Sonic in the Genesis Era and Mania. The Real Classic Sonic is more or less the same Sonic we know today, 'Classic Sonic' is just some mute kid who kinda looks like Sonic.

Sonic Generations should have been the only game to have Classic Sonic in a modern Sonic game

*T A K E T H A T Y O U L O U S Y D I M E N S I O N !* -Classic Sonic

I'll repeat what I said on the glitchy version of the video: Thank you for that Chain of Memories edit. That was a thing of beauty.

I heard through the grapevines that Classic Sonic was originally going to talk, with plans for Jaleel White to voice him, but I think he either declined or wasn't available; either way, Sonic Team apparently didn't have the time to find another voice actor for him, so they decided to make him mute; I'm not sure if any of this is actually true, but if so, that would explain why Classic Sonic is mute, although that doesn't mean that much considering the problem is in-universe, where there is no explanation. EDIT: I also wanna say that everything you said about Classic Sonic's portrayal in Generations and Forces reflects my feelings on him to a T. I remember thinking about why I don't like him in that game when I did in the Classic games months ago, and I believe it was then that it hit me: they really aren't the same character at all.

When I saw the the forces teaser when classic show up i said I'm not playing your games

after Generations, we should've gotten Classic Sonic in Mania and future games only taking place after S3&K while Modern Sonic just focuses on modern games that involves on creativity and innovation

I watched the original vid and I actually thought some of the glitchy stuff was my laptop being weird lol. colors glitching everywhere and such I even restarted my laptop aha well im glad to know it wasn't me :) love the video! keep it up fam

Imagine if Jaleel White voiced Classic Sonic in Generations. Damn the game would be better than it is now.

I just hope classic sonics not gonna be in the next 3D game and I definitely don’t want the characters too be one dimensional and the most thing that made me mad is tails being scared of chaos 0 he defeated chaos 4 in sa1 does character development not exist anymore

I wish these classic sonic boomers would end

I'll go a step further and say the OC also held Tails back in forces. Gadgets have been Tails thing for a long time now and this could've been the first time since SA2 that it actually mattered in gameplay. All things considered my man was robbed big time

Classic Sonic is still somewhat cutesy even if Modern Sonic isn't there. The reason for the redesign during Sonic Adventure's development was not just to fit him into a 3D environment, not just to modernized him, but also to strengthen his "Too cool for school" image since his classic design was beginning to look out of date, didn't mash with 3D very well and he was beginning to be seen as "Cute", which they obviously didn't want for Sonic.

I’m gonna believe that classic sonic is modern sonic from the past. No one can change my belief.

He actually hasn't been in a separate dimension the whole time, I think when the Time Eater showed up it caused Classic Sonic to avoid his normal duties that the original timeline was still planning, causing the Timelines to split, as Modern Sonic wasn't effected by his Younger Self beating up Eggman and the Time Eater. I suck at explaining things but there you go.

Ever noticed how in Mania Adventures and those Mega Drive comics how Classic Sonic looked and acted more mature and cocky than how he did in the games.

Generations itself already contradicts the idea of retconning Classic into his own timeline. Not just in Sonic and Tails calling their classic selves younger (which, tbf, is a reasonable way to explain design changes in canon. Amy is the perfect example of this, given how much more mature her modern redesign is compared to her very obviously childish Classic look), but both Sonic AND Tails also call Green Hill and Chemical Plant "familiar", and that says a lot given that, prior to Generations, Chemical Plant hadn't appeared in a long time and even Green Hill was relegated to having lookalikes with different names (a staple from back then, existing ever since Sonic 2, lol). Also it's stupid that even if we ARE counting timeline stuff into account, Tails calls him as being "from another dimension", when Tails is supposedly one of the smartest members of the cast. If ANYONE can figure out Classic Sonic's from a timeline split that THEY caused back in Generations, it's either him or Eggman (or both), but neither does it and both pretend he's just "from another dimension" (despite Silver being from an alternate future while being right here in the story. Heck, the "alternate dimension" thing is Blaze's schtick, why not include HER instead?).

I love Classic Sonic but they seriously need to stop using him as a Leg Crutch and shoving him down our throats.

Modern Sonic just have 2D sections because people beg for them, and then complain that they hate it or don't like it, the same goes for the Wisps It's an extremely fine line between people who want and people who hate As a Classimoderventurist fan, I see no problem, in fact I agree with everything you said about Tails, and extremely yes about it being playable instead of Classic

I even get frustrated when people try to make sense of Classic Sonic being both Sonic's past and a Sonic from another dimension, aka timeline, when in the meantime there are other fans who think those two concepts are ridiculous and make the lore too unpurposefully complicated. As if the fanbase wasn't already divided enough. Granted, everyone has a right to their own opinion, but let's face it, if SEGA hadn't blown it by bringing Classic back for Forces, we wouldn't be having this discussion. It would be easier if the next game not only didn't have Classic Sonic in it, but also made very little acknowledgement of the events in Generations and Forces. That way it would be plausible to think of it as a soft reboot to the Colors Era if we so wished.

My man, that isn't Classic Sonic, That's Santiago. Beware

5:12-5:54 My exact reaction to the first Forces trailer

Big lost opportunity, if the phantom ruby was affecting other dimensions like Tails put it, you could've had Blaze come out of a portal from her own dimension and kill fake Chaos instead of Classic.

I don't mind his portrayal in Generations, and I agree it'd work fine if that was all we got. But then Forces happened and ruined Classic being used in the current age. He is TERRIBLE to have in Forces, as he not only was pointless, he took a boss away and made one character worse. It doesn't help they changed it from time travel to another dimension and it doesn't make sense and is absolutely stupid. This is just like the two worlds with humans, a lazy excuse to explain a different design and not think about the simplicities in time travel (like split timelines). And Tails definitely should have been what we had in Forces, he could have been focused fully on gadgets and have his plot focus on how he has felt so useless lately and decides he finally needs to step up once more, like he used to. And Classic needs to be left out of new Modern titles, they can make all the fully Classic titles they want with him, but for the love of humanity keep him out of the modern games, they're not moving forward enough as is. If I see Classic Sonic in the next Modern game trailer, I'm going to lose my freaking mind. But if it's a Classic game with him in it, I'll be happy. Either way, he can still be here, but in his own lane.

My headcanon is that when Classic Sonic vanishes at the end of Forces, he actually died. And hopefully he won't come back.

_sonic jumps to his death_ "Yaaaay"

i assumed the glitches were on purpose since they usually appeared when you were making fun of something lol

Technically no! - Classic Sonic's World Trivia: Ian Flynn has stated multiple times that this dimension is really just the past of the Modern characters. This was also implied in Tailstube #4, with the statement that time is in and of itself a dimension, and that Classic Sonic returns to his own time, not his own dimension. So, it is confirmed that Classic Sonic is from the past and not from another dimension. The whole "Another Dimension" was just bad writing and technically he shouldn't have been in Sonic Forces to create all this confusion

The sonic team should really take your opinion into consideration. You explain it best! I been binge watching your videos 👍

This video was EVERYTHING I thought of Classic Sonic! At this point, I'm actually starting to Believe that SEGA has a HUGE Hard-On for Classic Sonic, or at least there is someone on Sonic Team who is all "i DoNt LiKe ChAnGe!! EvErYtHiNg HaS tO sTaY tHe SaMe!!" Hell--I bet even SONIC GENERATIONS would be better without Classic! All you have to do is just dump classic Sonic into a 2-D Plane and BOOM! PERFECT!

If you think about it you really didn't need classic Sonic in Sonic forces

Classic Sonic is not a character, he’s a marketing tool

The reason why Classic Sonic never faced Infinite the Jackal (from Sonic Forces), because he's always focusing on Dr. Eggman and his evil plans even more. He doesn't care.

Sega used to be clever back then but now they just throw in random stuff and just say "Hey GuS ThIs Is ThE NeW Sonci" I like how sonic cd has more lively background and Infact sonic cd was the 1st game to feature animated cutscenes ANIMATED BY SAME DUDES BEHIND DBZ Amy, metal sonic (who is a far better rival for sonic then that edge lord shadow) and the time traveling mechanic inspired by back to the future and not to mention way past cool music,they knew more what they were doing back then WHAT HAPPENED!?! Now all they want us to remember is a bowser ripoff and a 90s sonic without a soul, but I guess they're trying atleast.. And hey we've still got mania

I think Classic Sonic was ok in Generations, I wish he could talk just like Classic Tails and Eggman but in Forces uhhh... no. (Also the Kingdom Hearts reference got me!)

I will never step off.

*4:24** this summed up the Santiago vs Classic Sonic shenanigans.*

9:20 It glitched still :/ But really, I could care less, GREAT VIDEO

Yeah, classic Sonic felt forced in Sonic Forces. I really hope they retcon Sonic Forces entirely. Heck, just make a new game mention that Sonic travelled to an alternate timeline where Eggman took over the world. People who played and loved Mania, but disposed Sonic Forces can then see that Sonic Forces is part of an alternate timeline.

imagine watching a new sonic frontiers trailer only to just see classic sonic again in the modern sonic world instead of mania 2

What bothers me is that for people who grew up like me in the adventure to dark era we’re constantly force fed Classic Nostalgia like we grew up with it. But when I think of Sonic I think of stuff like Sonic X and Heroes which were the first things I knew Sonic from and It feels like our memories of Sonic have just been swept aside to pander to fans of the older games. Hopefully Frontiers can fix these issues and issue a balance for both Classic AND MODERN FANS of the franchise

1:19 *woah you look so different* Says some of the characters who knew sonic way back when he was like that

Classic is thick and is killing me he sat on poor chaos

I have never felt so much anger and distaste boiling up within me. You have a way with words my friend

5:43 the one who made the whole city burn and commited several multiple crimes, Santiago

Once again, AMAZING video! However, I’d suggest maybe rephrasing the thumbnail. Don’t get me wrong, I have no problem with it. However, when I tried to show it to some friends on the Sonic Retro Discord, the thumbnail is what kept them from even watching it. I’d suggest changing the text to say something that won’t be misconstrued as Adventure-fan bias by some classic fans. Once again, I believe this video has amazing points, and I support it fully, but changing the thumbnail to better convey the content of the video will definitely help you get more people watching. I hope you consider this, and have a great day!

You know what would be cool? If Sonic essentially constnatly switched between his Classic, Adventure and 06 (or Unleashed if you like this rounder and slightly more cartoony look of the character) designs, bringing different gampelay from their respective eras and tying it into one character

Sonic Team pathetically trying to recapture the popularity and good reception of Generations. Classic Sonic shouldn't be a character. He's just Sonic but younger. It makes sense within the context of Generations because it's a throw-back game, but it's just ridiculous to bring him back in Forces for fan service and lack of creativity.

So we can all agree on the modern Classic Sonic being a cutesy, dumbed down, inaccurate, childish portrayal of Sonic made to simply pander to non fans who remember the old games due to popularity who completely misses the spirit of Sonic... But when the 2020 movie does the exact same thing with Sonic but even worse, even making some stupid baby version of him purely for shitty marketing (old Yuji Naka would be shitting himself at even the thought, he specifically wanted the modern redesigns in SA1 to avoid Sonic being seen as cute), everyone jerks the movie off and says it's perfect and no one is allowed to criticize it? Just saying, the new movie does all of this shit but way, way worse. Movie Sonic is basically a shitty version of Tails, which is something Sonic should never be. It completely misses the point of Sonic's character and existence entirely. He's some annoying kid who has no confidence, he desperately wants attention and seeks others approval and affection and stalks people while trying to be cuddly and cute, they even fucking adopt him at the end like a little baby and give him his little shoes. Just like Generations, if they absolutely _have_ to make a relatable little brother character that is unsure of himself and looks up to others... JUST USE FUCKING TAILS! They've had this perfect side kick that fits this exact character mold for nearly 30 years but they keep making new characters up to poorly fit the role or they just ruin Sonic himself to fit it. Then they chuck Tails in the bin or make him an asshole or something, if the movie just used Tails for that character archetype instead of fucking ruining Sonic, we could of had a real Sonic appear alongside him! Ranting about this because every time I try to genuinely point out the flaws with the movie Sonic people jump up my ass and freak out because it is apparently flawless, but these same people will complain about Classic Sonic in the exact same way. Frustrating as hell. I would probably just forget about the movie if people didn't defend it so much just because they fucked the design up through their own stupidity and sent their animation company bankrupt to fix it last minute. If you hate what they did with Classic Sonic, then you should despise what they did in the movie.

7:44 hahaha no no no great video btw and I also hate 2D in modern sonic

6:51 I just assumed Mania was the only one not canon in the main timeline and that it took place in this alternate dimension

I'm glad the "Two worlds" bullcrap has been abolished.

Kill of classic sonic His existence is literally the imbodyment of everything wrong with the franchise He's for the people who think sonic 2 was peak sonic and anything after was a mistake He's for the sonic never worked in 3d people He's the reason they keep adding green hill zones and chemical plants into everything now. KILL OF CLASSIC CANCER