When Classic WoW Really Died by Madseasonshow | Kargoz Reacts 

I stopped playing during WotLK. The entire feeling of the game disappeared for me. I knew it was over at that point, canceled my subscription and didn't come back up till classic launched in 2019.

There is a old saying and it simply goes: _"without suffering there is no joy"_ Maybe that’s also what makes Vanilla so special.

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For me one of the worst things about Wrath was 'Gearscore' and the beginning of judging people by an arbitrary ilvl number.

I was exactly the same on Wrath. That's when I stopped paying attention, and shortly thereafter quit the game for a while. There were other things going on in my life too, but it just started to not fit my playstyle

I played WoW as a kid vanilla the most, then moreso leveling and dungeoneering in TBC, then more seriously raiding again in WotLK through Ulduar until during the ToC raiding patch I quit. I do think Wrath was the beginning of the end and Cataclysm was the chasm that most clearly marks the line in the sand Blizzard crossed.

You're right that the sentiment of the games decline was widespread, mmo-champions forum was very negative about the game during wrath I remember.

It's always wild to me when people talk about vanilla wow being hardcore/"not catering to players" when it was specifically made for a casual audience at the time. Compare it to launch Everquest, Ultima Online or Shadow Bane. WoW was super casual. Just having *instances* was considered a massive QoL change to make the game more casual. Shoot, Everquest in 1999 didn't even have an in game map. You had an ability called Sense Heading which would tell you if you were facing North. But you had to train it by spamming it non stop so when you started it would just point you in random directions. You also didn't have quest givers. You just would talk to some NPCs and they may have had something for you to do but otherwise it was grind city. It's just the bar has dropped below the floor in terms of catering to players now.

I remember people complaining about homogenization of classes and welfare epics (badge gear) in wotlk. It's true. TBC was the last of classic

RDF didn’t have a negative effect on WoW because LFR has always been obsolete content with obsolete rewards simply for casual players who otherwise wouldn’t have ever tried raiding. RDF wasn’t the reason dungeons became anti-social, it started in Wrath when dungeons became too easy.

"I often neglect the RU-vid guys because i have to hit another tab." *¡FIND A WAY!*

Wrath killed classic, not Cataclysm. He's absolutely right. Wrath was the first expansion where growth flat-lined

10:06 Everquest... anyone whose a fan of classic WoW and searching for something new should try out the game that inspired so many of WoW's features. Project 1999 or Project Quarm are both great options.

come to EU - Celebras. Dead server, no stream snipers. Just 1000+ people enjoying FRESH. We own the whole AH atm.

Loved yours and MadSeason video, but just a note: I don't ever think that the "spirit of vanilla" has anything to do with the world being brutal and dangerous. As a vanilla player, like you, I never thought the world was any of that because death doesnt matter in any version of WoW. I do agree that the "world" is the main character or rather you are just one more of those adventures who travel the world. Also, theres not lots of inconveniences, FPs are a godsend, lol. But the world to me was always a chill experience; as big as it was, was really fascinating to explore without any fear of losing anything. But I can concede that I might be too used to the inconveniences of P99 Everquest, because I'd point that there is the game where death matters and the world really doesnt care about you. Looking forward more vanilla wow videos/reflections!

The gear that comes with the 70 boost is not worth getting excited about. It’s slightly worse than normal dungeon gear, but just high enough to start running heroics. It’s also the end of the expansion so 480/493 gear is being given out from the event.

I am just thankful that we have Era, Modern, SoD, Cata, Remix to choose from now. They are all fun in unique ways. 👍🏻👍🏻

love the content love the streams gl on 100k brother

aint no1 buying the level boost in retail it takes less than 10 hours to get max level

Classic actually needs a new expansion but in the vanilla spirit where everything is brand new again with no RFD, Flying, xmog, hero of Azeroth etc. Where certain added QoL features are only enjoyed at max level. So many would be on board.

My 2 week old baby just killed my HC character by hitting my mouse and I ran off a cliff in azhara. I was so disappointed but so inspired by your shaman gameplay Im making my way back up. Ive yet to complete a lot of dungeon/raid content which is my goal. (Hopefully before blizz makes so many changes to classic and ruins it)

You said OsRS and EQ were the same thing......?

I feel it's so bothersome.. just like 2019 I am sat here again despite they have all the ips without being able to play classic.. Are we doomed to be constantly sat here on the side lines.. asking blizzard to give us what we are as customers willing to pay for and accept.. A bad quality product is... Regardless of the backdrop it's built on like SOD will not encourage customers to continue to pay for it.. I mean it's f $15 a month!!! For what??! Utter tripe.. rehashed stuff or worse.. not keeping up dedicated servers for tbc and wrath.. Give us quality products and we will pay.. I'd like classic era for tbc and wrath. And classic plus.. The customer is always right! It seems the people running blizzard are totally incompetent and incapable of knowing their customers.. I was hoping after Microsoft bought Blizzard they would be forced to figure their sh*t out.. seems those fools need to step aside for more capable people..

You do have to admit, really difficult 5, 10 or 20 man dungeons and raids would have made classic more interesting. I do feel like being one of 40 really flattens any individual contribution and creates this buffer of averages that can float a raid and minimize mistakes. I rarely feel the thrill of serious enough danger in 5 man dungeons to warrant true collaboration and planning.

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I hate to admit but I think is selfish to say its bad that they released Cataclysm Classic. Raiding numbers are high (even though now is a low point). Many ppl is enjoying the game, and we already did enjoy Vanilla re-release in 2019. Classic Vanilla players have their own servers to enjoy. The fact that we are loving classic or vanilla is because is in an horrible state, which sould be the game we should be playing if they had done things well...

Try PoE.

Play private server where you actually can choose female or male characters. Blizzard body type woke aint worth the money

bro, hide your scammer face. don't show it again.

As someone who agrees with everything said in Madseasonshow's video, this truly; truly pains me. I want a true, fresh, progressive Vanilla.

Kargoz I humbly request that you also read RU-vid chat during the live streams

wrath was fun leveling, naxx was ok but disappointing difficulty. ulduar had guilds stealing healers from our guild - so we couldn't raid, ended up just running around dalaran bored out of my mind. toc was hopeful but really felt like a slot machine, very instant with lots of afk around resets. everyone in my vanilla guild quit in wotlk. tbc is my favorite expansion, it's 10/10. but vanilla is 9.9/10 - none of my characters were really strong so my success depended on others. wotlk would be probably 7/10 for me. cata onwards is all 1/10

You should definitely do more reacts like this 👍

2:50 - it promotes that the game "starts" at endgame - enough so that they are SELLING you a solution to the "PROBLEM" of not being max level with pre-bis gear.... the thing is - in EVERY OTHER GAME - not having the final weapon/armor is a problem THE PLAYER gets to solve for with what they find and in how to approach getting items.... that's why retail is a bad GAME/RPG -

Vanilla>TBC>Wrath>full reset>repeat. This is the cycle they should keep for classic (IMO)

13:14 thats the Mysteries of Azeroth i love for Turtle WoW custum expansion (new thin to discover), love the feeling.

Wrath would be a perfect expansion if they keep the classic feeling. Hard leveling, no raid difficulties, and no dungeon finder.

wotlk had the highest sub count. as soon as cata came out it started to go down

What what is this- Star Wars galaxies

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Since 2019 when we progressed through the golden era expansions I will say for me, wrath was the first one where I started to feel like I had nostalgia goggles for the game and didn’t really enjoy it the way I enjoyed revisiting classic vanilla and tbc. Played way more era than wrath at that point. Speaking of which I’d love a tbc server or even to copy my tbc snapshot to run a few of those raids and dungeons once in a while

Kinda funny kargoz hatin on raid shadow legends, when RXP is probably the most popular sponsor among wow classic content creators :D

Uhh.. The token wasn't until WoD.

Wut??? 😐