When iCloud Won't Let you Delete Your Data 

Could be a man in Talpiot

Just like the coffee mug says "REMEMBER: THERE IS NO CLOUD... IT'S JUST SOMEONE ELSE'S COMPUTER!"

SIR YES SIR

EVILS TOY's song Concrete Garden came to mind, it's pretty fitting. ;D ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZHBP-i8QplU.html

Evil Toy's song Concrete Garden came to mind.... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZHBP-i8QplU.html

But is the cloud legion? Thats the real question here.

neeeed this on a shirt!!

Too many people treat important issues like a joke. And that's why corporations only get fined a few dollars and keep going - they know in a week or two people will forget due to massive consumption of entertainment and pointless social drama. It's no wonder the average consumer is the butt of the joke.

lol the cloud doesn't forgive

@@swagmuffin9000 - Or forget. lol

If this was in the EU then Apple is going to get a huge fine. If this is in the USA then the user will be blamed.

It's just very hard to hide behind the EULA when it's not bigtech lobbyists writing the laws in your country

@@kevink7529 a fine that will be smaller than the taxes they've been not-paying?

imo this issue is big enough to justify the 4% of global turnover fine

@@kevink7529 Americans are masters at gaslighting

Knowing Apple, I have probably built a better server backend in my 10th grade IT class. Using nothing but Ubuntu and a Government-issue Laptop.

my nextcloud setup is more stable (back until like a week ago i used to have a script running 24/7 that checked my public ip and updated it whenever it changed because i couldnt bother setting up a ddns also i cant get collabora or mailing from the nextcloud website working lmao)

Yeah, anyone with 0 computer or network knowledge can literally make their own, better iCloud by watching some RU-vid tutorials, ridiculous how incompetent a trillion dollar company is.

@@theairacobra this is hillarious(just use tailscale or a wireguard vpn at that point lol)

or maybe dont use an iphone or apple products in general

Touhou fan spotted

​​@@Samo2970 Make that three

I spent $400 on a 16TB and it was junk, so I hope you fared better

A spank bank ? Intended for mr.cooks personal use I presume 😂😅

im a minor

@@skop3609then get off the net

​@@skop3609My biggest regret back when I was a minor was how easily I accessed RU-vid (andnthe internet, more broadly) Try not to use it too much. You're old enough for many things, but you're not old enough to know what you should close and forget. To be an adult doesn't mean you get to see anything you feel the impulse to see, it's also to know what to never see. Curiosity is big at your age, and curiosity very often leads to nowhere good. I have no power over you, so this isn't about me forcing arbitrary rules on you. This channel is often fine, others not so much. Some comments mention nasty sh!t that no human should know, like "spank bank", so keep off the comment section if you can. I hope you're mature enough to discern what you shouldn't look up.

@@skop3609 Which mean's you'd be a target for this sort of thing. Rich people.

Good thing it works both ways

It isn't really deleted* *except for stuff you want to retrieve. That stuff's gone forever

Reddit moderators really are worthless creatures.

Reminder, always assume that any American big tech company works with the NSA.

@@Anon_1003 NSA treasuremap is a good indication all companies work with a global intelligence cabal.

Dhs… they control more of the data aspect then nsa

Tupperware propaganda

apple isn't even close to transparent. but the real question is neovim or emacs?

@@RightHandedFridge it translated to tupperware advertising 💀💀

learn, how to use commas

Remember this too, if it's not in your physical possession, it ain't yours. Simple as that.

You spelled his name right. Blackberry is smiling.

looie is a hypocrite

@@Blox117 Find me one person on earth who isn't besides Richard Stallman. Even he's questionable.

​@@anonamos225 I come to that channel for blackberry

But but ... my files are of rain particles.

Youd figure that data space is valuable. So who are they selling this data to since its apparently worth more??

@@dingusbingus8554 drives are super cheap and at their scale it's really insignificant cost

And yet, they charge users for extra space.

Well, this is nothing related to iCloud. See, the bug was all related to the Files app, when people imported their photos to it, and they deleted them from the Photos app, those photos where reappearing after updating to iOS 17.5, but it’s because those photos were on the Files app first! Even photos people downloaded or uploaded to iCloud Drive, remember they are there somewhere too. There was one story of a dude who supposedly sold his iPad to someone who updated to iPadOS 17.5 and apparently this guys photos were restored, but this story is completely fake and he even deleted his post and his own account, again, this was just to make a scandal. In the Reddit post he shows at first, there’s one guy who explained he reported this bug to Apple last week, and even he mentioned it was related to the Files app, which is why they released an update today to fix this bug. So again, this is nothing that affects privacy, I find it a bit sad that Mental Outlaw didn’t research first before posting this video, which spreads misinformation, and lead people to discuss and say stuff which aren’t even necessary. I love privacy a lot, I agree that a lot of companies are just pure evil doing stuff that we shouldn’t let them do, but in cases like this, you must research first before attacking. You just need to have a bit of mental peace and enjoy the life God gave you. Go outside sometimes.

@@dingusbingus8554technically its way harder to delete something from cloud storage then save to it. So much so that buying new space and marking deleted files as deleted are more viable at the back end side

The advantage of icloud: You can fap seeing old and deleted nude pictures of your ex. Icloud is here to give you some pleasure.

Or worse, shaming you because you used to have a better body 😔

​@@CeeZee001 That's a shame that can be mitigated by exercise and eating well

​@@josedorsaith5261sure, it's just we are not always and forever at our best. Nice to have that in mind

The true power of the Eye of Providence in John Poindexter's Total Information Awareness programme is never exposed. Enjoy this leak before you are distracted with the latest media driven problem.

and dont forget your isp logged it and the nsa probably had their nose in your packets as well.

​@@pluto8404 The feds are spying on Americans but they definitely don't have the capacity to store every individual packet sent over the internet. They mostly store metadata.

They could encrypt the data with per-user keys. When a user wishes for his data to be gone, you just delete the keys, and the keys are small enough that you can periodically wipe them from the backups, or just keep "hot" backups

When you load from backup. You're supposed to replay all events since. Which should delete or modify. But clearly they didn't do this. This allows removing ancient backups.

@@caiocc12 that's how it should work and is more and more happening over time I'm certain.

No, this is not related to iCloud, sadly, this video is spreading misinformation. See, the bug was all related to the Files app, when people imported their photos to it, and they deleted them from the Photos app, those photos where reappearing after updating to iOS 17.5, but it’s because those photos were on the Files app first! Even photos people downloaded or uploaded to iCloud Drive, remember they are there somewhere too. There was one story of a dude who supposedly sold his iPad to someone who updated to iPadOS 17.5 and apparently this guys photos were restored, but this story is completely fake and he even deleted his post and his own account, again, this was just to make a scandal. In the Reddit post he shows at first, there’s one guy who explained he reported this bug to Apple last week, and even he mentioned it was related to the Files app, which is why they released an update today to fix this bug. So again, this is nothing that affects privacy, I find it a bit sad that Mental Outlaw didn’t research first before posting this video, which spreads misinformation, and lead people to discuss and say stuff which aren’t even necessary. I love privacy a lot, I agree that a lot of companies are just pure evil doing stuff that we shouldn’t let them do, but in cases like this, you must research first before attacking. You just need to have a bit of mental peace and enjoy the life God gave you. Go outside sometimes.

Google Photos is the same way, it'll ask if you want to back-up to the cloud and when you click "no thanks" it shows you a screen with all your photos selected and a big button that says "back-up". They only recently removed it (I think). They are desperate to collect all your data and to make sure that you link everything to your google account.

Considering they are basically harvesting it, I don't even know why they don't offer larger (or even infinite) storage, lol.

Bro if u cannot pay 99 cents for 50 gb of storage u don’t deserve to have a phone

@@gullible119 Why would I pay for storage I don’t need lmao

"someone's else computer" -> Apple

Basically i wrote the same comment, found yours, deleted mine...🤣🤣🤣

It's literally on by default. If you don't know any better, your phone's data is by default sync'd without your permission.

@@michaeletzkorn Although Mr. Steve Jobs (God rest his soul) was in control of marketing exclusively, I would still bet money that he'd be gutted right now to see what has been done with Apple's products and features, like the one you've mentioned. And if alive, he wouldn't have approved of Apple taking the direction that it's in now.

@@stephenkolostyak4087Tim Apple

lol Forced arbitration. The EU may not put up with this shit though.

Not really, the explanation he gave in this video is completely misinformation. See, the bug was all related to the Files app, when people imported their photos to it, and they deleted them from the Photos app, those photos where reappearing after updating to iOS 17.5, but it’s because those photos were on the Files app first! Even photos people downloaded or uploaded to iCloud Drive, remember they are there somewhere too. There was one story of a dude who supposedly sold his iPad to someone who updated to iPadOS 17.5 and apparently this guys photos were restored, but this story is completely fake and he even deleted his post and his own account, again, this was just to make a scandal. In the Reddit post he shows at first, there’s one guy who explained he reported this bug to Apple last week, and even he mentioned it was related to the Files app, which is why they released an update today to fix this bug. So again, this is nothing that affects privacy, I find it a bit sad that Mental Outlaw didn’t research first before posting this video, which spreads misinformation, and lead people to discuss and say stuff which aren’t even necessary. I love privacy a lot, I agree that a lot of companies are just pure evil doing stuff that we shouldn’t let them do, but in cases like this, you must research first before attacking. You just need to have a bit of mental peace and enjoy the life God gave you. Go outside sometimes.

Maybe check your pants, nothing, and I mean *absolutely* nothing will happen from this. Despite being completely illegal and unethical nothing will happen because people are too lazy to get off their couches to do something

@@arnox4554 A lot of misinformation about an unclear situation. To give some context: All cases where this happened involved people still having those photos in their files, but not in the photos app anymore. Due to reindexing, the photos found in files have been added back to the photos app. That's it. No really deleted images have been brought back to live. No indication that apple would keep any of your photos after deletion. Just existing photos in the files app get shown in the photos app again.

Almost?

@@ancientiroh fixed

Explanation?

@@lstsoul4376in like 2014 everyone's icloud photos got leaked and all these celebrities nudes got out

@@lstsoul4376 a bunch of ladies got their buck naked pictures leaked. was a decade ago i think

@@lstsoul4376 celebrities’ iCloud nudes got leaked

@@lstsoul4376 You're making me feel old 😭

imagine taking spicy pics of yourself as a kid, deleting them so you don't have some illegal materials, and then finding out apple still has them and you can't do anything about it lmao

Or you bought a device from someone who took such photos, and now they somehow appeared on your device.

This video is spreading misinformation. See, the bug was all related to the Files app, when people imported their photos to it, and they deleted them from the Photos app, those photos where reappearing after updating to iOS 17.5, but it’s because those photos were on the Files app first! Even photos people downloaded or uploaded to iCloud Drive, remember they are there somewhere too. There was one story of a dude who supposedly sold his iPad to someone who updated to iPadOS 17.5 and apparently this guys photos were restored, but this story is completely fake and he even deleted his post and his own account, again, this was just to make a scandal. In the Reddit post he shows at first, there’s one guy who explained he reported this bug to Apple last week, and even he mentioned it was related to the Files app, which is why they released an update today to fix this bug. So again, this is nothing that affects privacy, I find it a bit sad that Mental Outlaw didn’t research first before posting this video, which spreads misinformation, and lead people to discuss and say stuff which aren’t even necessary. I love privacy a lot, I agree that a lot of companies are just pure evil doing stuff that we shouldn’t let them do, but in cases like this, you must research first before attacking. You just need to have a bit of mental peace and enjoy the life God gave you. Go outside sometimes.

guys 😬

​@@mt180extrassame issue lmao deleted. while having no hope thay it will deleted one day, it was better to delete them instead of letting them exist

Reddit became useless for any technical discussion. It's a shame it also killed off most of the other Internet forums.

If you have nothing to hide why are you worried 🤓

@@Justin-vq9co People who say that piss me off so much. "Ok, give me your phone and give me the password to it. I want to look through it."

surprise backup 😂

@@Justin-vq9conothing pisses me off more than seeing someone say that😂😂😂

​@@ghettochicken8420 I just ask them for their phone so I could go through their stuff since they have nothing to hide. Works every time.

This seems to have been a mod of the sub, not Reddit

Reddit users are usually full of shit with their made up stories on there too lol.

@@autohmae Which begs the question. is the mod an apple employee?

@@dubbayabird6680 that would be a sort of a conflict of interest, but usually it's just a fan boy.

Is it bad I read the of end that ass "Rock-hard scissor drive"?

wtf is this comment lol

stacy? like like like the scapegoatP song?

physical storage once again being the based option

​@@iplayadofai-ug6rithey had a little bit too much fun writing it lol

Ah yes totally sounds like a bug. Not some pedo maniac programming it to send it somewhere where they can keep it

AYO big congratulations brother!

"photos that experienced database corruption" wat?

@@arnox4554 Does that suggest they were improperly "deleted" because of some corruption? How much of the database is corrupted then? That means Apple can't protect your privacy even if they wanted too. lmao

library of babel moment

"database corruption could make photos reappear in the photos library even if they were deleted" huh?? Bruh?? If I'm deleting something from iCloud or phone, doesn't that mean i am 'deleting' it. How can something that i deleted 4 years ago from iCloud suddenly reappear because of a bug?😭 unless apple themselves have a copy of my files, i don't think it can reappear after years being deleted 😭 my brain isn't braining anymore 💀😭

Just don't use junk lmao super simple

"Apple’s new iPhone update fixes a bug that resurfaced deleted nudes" lol

The bug was that you realised it was there. Tim cook is going bonkers in his Wankorium (It's like a planetarium but far more problematic)

Maybe they just add a flag to the image saying "deleted", but have to deletion process as well

Isn't that Apple Authorized Repair's job to extract sensitive customer data?

I feel violated as a male...

I offer my ones for free, he'll be traumatised for life 😂

Frap? Gives a whole new meaning to Frappuccino

Who let tim cook

The files reappearing to the consumer, definitely a bug. The files never being proper deleted from apple's servers years after people delete them, that's an intentional move by apple. No different than when amazon and ring was slapped with lawsuits for the exact same thing.

How do you think forensic tools can dig through deletion? Even full wipes don't work if you don't use specific tools/commands to write over those sections, which is a tedious process not everyone bothers to go through.

Yup, could be that the file is marked to overwrite when user deletes it. In this case after the update that flag has ben reset and photos reappered. And long gone photos from years back? If you always store your newest pictures in icloud and have 500gb iphone it's not that unlikely the photos just hanged in there, flagged. But does that make the suspicion that files in the cloud are always there, never deleted, unfounded? Hell no.

Of course its intentional. Privacy, thats apple.

@@Sald8Trin "Mark as deleted" is an application-level (database) thing, traditional file systems removed the entire corresponding metadata, declaring the sector as empty. In case of Apple devices I would not expect for files to be retrievable in any non-forensic way (i.e. software bug) if it was reset for selling. This process ought to delete files on the file system. What's knowingly persisted for longer is the tie to the Apple ID (like for remote control and anti-theft). Same goes for Android 5+ devices and Google Accounts (or Samsung accounts etc.)

I mean that's just normal behavior and your phone tells you about it. You can turn it off, too.

​@@gownerjonesah yes, an "optional opt-in" feature you literally have to go out of your way to opt-out of.

@@gownerjones Not normal behaviour when it tells me that my iCloud is only 500MB full. It never specified anywhere where that storage came from. The only reason I even found out where to look is because of forum posts.

Wow I switched to android just in time..

@@CuteSkyler MASSIVE video tries to FIT IN PETITE CLOUD! 4K Ultra HD!

still better than anything i'd make tbh

Apparently it saves your pictures very well, just a little bit better than people expected

iCloud photo sync is turned on by default iirc. I don't use iCloud at all and I still keep getting notifications about how full it is.

sounds bad man

@@squaidinkarts no

It depends on the thing really... but yeah 90% of the time there's a huge catch

This is all software, them mentioning database corruption makes me think of failed migrations on soft deleted stuff. They're not deleting it, just marking it as such in the database. It's not hardware and it's not a bug, the only bug is that users are seeing them

also why i never exchanged my phone unless i know it was wiped. and never had data that could be used against me.

@@BradleySmith1985never really understood the point of getting rid of old phones. People seem to forget that they’re old, but still useful. Trading in an old phone just implies that it couldn’t be afforded from the beginning.

doesnt explain reports of deleted photos showing up on new devices though

@@EgotisticalSlugyeah how do you explain the sold device with the data erased? I doubt that person’s lying.

Not an iCloud issue or flash storage issue, it’s the Files app. See, the bug was all related to the Files app, when people imported their photos to it, and they deleted them from the Photos app, those photos where reappearing after updating to iOS 17.5, but it’s because those photos were on the Files app first! Even photos people downloaded or uploaded to iCloud Drive, remember they are there somewhere too. There was one story of a dude who supposedly sold his iPad to someone who updated to iPadOS 17.5 and apparently this guys photos were restored, but this story is completely fake and he even deleted his post and his own account, again, this was just to make a scandal. In the Reddit post he shows at first, there’s one guy who explained he reported this bug to Apple last week, and even he mentioned it was related to the Files app, which is why they released an update today to fix this bug. So again, this is nothing that affects privacy, I find it a bit sad that Mental Outlaw didn’t research first before posting this video, which spreads misinformation, and lead people to discuss and say stuff which aren’t even necessary. I love privacy a lot, I agree that a lot of companies are just pure evil doing stuff that we shouldn’t let them do, but in cases like this, you must research first before attacking. You just need to have a bit of mental peace and enjoy the life God gave you. Go outside sometimes.

I agree with you to some extent but as long as Apple Don't talk about it officially then nothing I can do to believe anybody 100%

That's not a flash bug nor a flash issue, all memory types deletes files in this way. The only way for a file that has its pointer actually removed to be reinstated is if you run software to deliberately recover it. A bug does not just make a valid pointer appear.

Stop using Reddit. Use dedicated forums.

reddit is social control you think people see you but your unwanted posts are invisible to others

​@@arnox4554 Isn't that what reddit is?

@@squaidinkarts Somewhat, but it's got a bunch of cancerous features dangling off of it, chief of which is the absurdly shitty voting system.

@@squaidinkarts No. reddit is asshoe.

Uhm no. Sideloading is very unsafe and will get your home virused. That's why android users have cov1d 19. (joke, although some apple users probably act like this)

@@crazywarp36 I sideloaded a sanic emulator on my walmart iPad and it turned my childes atheist! Please spread the word of these vessels created by the devil to indoctrinate young minds into his gay cult! (also joke. but fr sideloading is actually the best thing i can do with my iphone now. the closest to linux-style tweaking i'll ever get there.)

The only thing I could think of is either Apple is cooperating with the federal government and put something in place that allows the alphabet soup agencies to spy easier or one of their data centers had to have data restored from a backup which included photos that were deleted after that backup was made meaning when the backup was restored the photos came back

What was the source?

@@dawson6294 every confirmed case of this happening had the photos in question also saved to files, so the user never deleted these files in the files app when they deleted from the photos app, and a bug when re-indexing the devices storage for the update accidentally took photos from the files app and put them in the photos library. (Any claim of photos coming from previous owners and such had no proof), users that didn’t delete photos from their library that were also in files reported them being duplicated as well which lines up perfectly with this explanation

lol

How does them being on the device make the situation better? They appeared as deleted, so they could also appear after resetting, maybe after you've already sold the phone. Also, just because another person on the internet said it's an issue with the photos app doesn't mean it's true. It could be that or something else. I don't think we have enough information to be sure just yet.

damage control

Because it was misinformation. Mental Outlaw is every day turning more into a conspiracy/edgy youtube channel. If you look at the subreddit now, you can see people talking about the issue and explanations regarding it, but Mental Outlaw did not want to go into those details for some reason.

@@akg_table How is it misinformation?

@@Anon_1003 You can view an accurate assessment of whats going in the top post in that subreddit, or by searching the issue on youtube. You certainly wont get told whats actually going on by Mental Outlaw; rage sells, unexciting explanations does not sell.

@@Anon_1003 yes I'd like to know

Lol wherever Apple goes the rest of big Tech follows if Google hasn't already been storing your deleted data without your consent. The only crime they did was get caught.

@@rudysmith1552 Have you ever heard of Total Information Awareness or BT's Soul Catcher 2025? Google is a military asset but not an asset of America.

What do you use then? Android? google photos?

@@lofiplays_live polaroid

@@lofiplays_live But, but Google would never do that!!!1!