When I hear these conversations I can't help but imagine there's a similar conversation in GW's HQ, like, "These retailers, they don't really understand how we make decisions... they'll always have more wall space, what they've never heard of pegboard? How much does a free standing display shelf cost anyway, Ikea practically gives them away... our retail side guys, we just tell them enough so they can sell a space marine, actual management is a much more complicated job than they know..." I genuinely have no idea how GW execs actually make decisions. They don't do BFG or Mordheim, but there's always space for another $300 Necromunda coffin box that'll sit on my FLGS' shelves until the owner offers it half off to 20 people and one finally says yes.
My dream GW comeback would be the equivalent of Old World but for 40k. Something like a 3rd edition reboot with flamer templates and old sculpts. HH is just not the same.
Firestorm Armada was cool, but it showed up at my store at the same time as Dystopian Wars and... whatever the fantasy themed one was (Uncharted something?) and it the interest was spread to thin and just meant that none of the 3 actually took off.
Why can't GW bring out Warhammer 30K - The Great Crusade? It could pit the Imperium versus aliens that are extinct in 40K, it would allow BFG, Planetary empires, 30K Horus Heresy and Imperialis to be linked in larger campaigns.
They would just find a way to do what they did with Necromunda. They would require buying half dozen books at £30 a pop to play it and spoil what is already a good game, BFG and Mordheim should be left alone as time capsules from back when GW wanted to make fun games and did so successfully.
I'd probably get Battlefleet Gothic if it was HH only. However I am a Xenos player and I do automatically look at HH stuff and go "that's neat but also a bit boring," so pretty decent odds I'd skip it in the likely event of no Xenos.
I'd prefer a remake of BG to have xenos of course, but I'd be fine with a heresy one, I like the imperial ships the most anyway (who dosen't like flying cathedrals with guns?). Could be a case like the og titanicus, if it proves popular enough then expand into full 40k.
Sadly, the way the Orcs were handled in WD are probably part of why BFG will never come back. When their 'ships' are smooshed up styrofoam with bits to represent space rocks and Hulks, GW isn't printing money.
@rasmusolesen5307 Because in reality, that's not what happens. A lot of players, both new and old, start playing the most current iteration. Making the pool of players in your community actually shrink, not grow. It will be much harder to find playgroups of old school Necromunda than playgroups of current Necromunda, a game that's already niche even within the GW wargaming circles.
@@rasmusolesen5307 because as happened with Necromunda, it splits the community into people who go chasing the new season pass game and the players who stick with the old one. Every single online community dedicated to the old game is pressured into supporting the new one and the old community dies. Then GW price people out of the new game and that dies too.
The one box release is not a bad idea like a dreadfleet box. Even if they released a few expansions with additional ships I see that working well. An exclusive splash release. I would jump on that bandwagon so fast.
Horus Heresy 54mm skirmish a la Inquisitor. You basically play Battletech but instead of giant robots, it’s Space Marines. (I joke… but only a little bit because those models would be amazing to paint)
Lots of people play spaceship games but they all just use whatever cottage industry ruleset looks good this week. Spaceships are just very interchangeable in a way that space marines or stormcast just aren't. Sad to say you're probably right that BFG would just be heresy scoped. They can bring out a big box of generic ships and then have special order upgrade kits to make them World Eaters or Ultramarines or whatever. Big meh from me.
I would bet it's more likely to come sooner than a new Mordheim. Seems a lot of space fleet games don't do well though. Seen Firestorm Armada, the Halo fleet game, battlefleet Gothic, and drop fleet commander all kinda died from lack of support or lack of players in the areas I play.
I can't wait for BFG to return. I wouldn't mind if GW remade the fleets like halo fleet battles with escorts on single stand squadrons and larger ships on single stands.
Teenage years are still busy until they can drive. I did ship one off to university this year and that has added a little free time but the other has just increased his required interaction level in his activities so probably net zero change
It seems like GW could do Battlefleet Gothic as a Horus Heresy set with just Imperial ships, and then tack on Xenos down the line if they wanted to do a full 40k version at some point. If they went that route they could just re-use the Horus Heresy era Imperial ships for 40k. It fits the fiction that Human space faring technology wouldn't really change in ten thousand years.
Some BFG ships were included in the Epic: Armageddon army lists, where they provided planetary bombardment and a launch platform for drop ships for planetfall. They were basically fancy counters, but so are all the other models, to be fair. So new HH space ships could easily be crammed into LI in the end. If GW set up the escorts like they did with the original BFG cruisers - where the main body of each ship is functionally identical, with the only variation being different weapon panels, then they could easily fit two sets of 1 sprue with 4 escorts, 1 sprue with 2 cruisers, and 1 sprue with 1 battleship into a box. that would give a ton of variation within one box, and enough to create two small fleets or 1 medium sized one. Many people would buy two boxes. That game would be balanced and boring without Xenos, but it would be an easy enough set for GW to make and sell. It would sell way better than Aeronautica ever did (not that that would be difficult). As an Eldar player, I think all things Heresy are boring without Xenos. I hope they add a Votann list for Heresy, and base the forces off of the Necromunda Squat models.
"Hi! I am Chris and this is 'Garbage Tangent'!" {Plows his Mars Class Chaos cruiser into an asteroid} {Slow three note guitar strum ala 'Jackass'} On topic: OG BFG player here, who only still owns the books and a necron fleet. I think I would buy a new box set, and love the idea of just selling an entire fleet in a box. After hen pecking for years trying to build a craftworld fleet (and failing), I see value in just getting a "one and done" purchase for the game. It would be a breath of fresh air, in fact. BFG is seeing a nearly identical resurgence as Mordheim is, in the shadier corners of back alley 3d printing.
The nice thing about Gothic is that all the models scale is sorta irrelevant since the actual measurements are all done to the flight stand, the ships are all just tokens basically.
It doesn't need to come back. It never went away. There are dozens of companies making minis for it and the rules are freely available online. There is a vibrant community for it on Facebook. You don't need GW's permission to play old games. GW would only make a completely different, ridiculously expensive game in a different scale and slap the same name on it anyway.
im not sure why space naval games, or just naval games in general are not more popular. I love naval games. Probably the best format for Gothic would be the 90s format of one big box followed by another big box expansion and be done.
You're almost certainly right. Also it isn't like the BFG video game did numbers either. This one is one I'd love to see come back, but I also put WAAAAAY to the bottom of the stack of likely releases.
It's much more difficult for other companies though. Games Workshop have a few key things that give them an advantage compared to other companies; reduced tooling cost due to in-house technology and manufacturing and scale, reach through their own retail stores, websites and marketing, capital available to take risks, nostalgia and strength of the IP.
BFG did succeed in its time - it lasted 14 years with some degree of official support, which is almost unique for a side game as a single run let alone without an edition change. Only Necromunda had longer support.
Here I am again, a boy waiting for the spaceship game, hoping the game gives him a chance and...the logic of shelf space is 30K BFG. But hear me out: 30K killteam. Because.
Yes. GW should make new games and leave their old niche IPs alone. Mordheim has a thriving community (as does BFG) that would only be split by a new version.
Was Firestorm Armada the game they listened to all the feedback and started changing rules to all the time? I remember some fleet game that did that hard enough to send me running the other way when I looked at it.
I think it would have been back before now if the computer games had done well - that they didn't probably prompted GW to at least shelve it. They did put out a social media poll a year or so ago asking if people were interested in a return. That could have been a tease for something already planned, but it could also have been genuinely testing the waters - in which case, if they decided to go ahead it may be 5 years away or more. 2029 would be the 30th anniversary, so they might rerelease it then.
That'd be cool if they brought back BFG but I won't be interested unless there's Tyranids... speaking of which I'd be the most interested in a new Space Hulk. The last one came out 10 years ago!
Armada has pretty decent community support... Personally I am happy that they didn't do anything with and just let it die so the community can take over :)
@@Stonehorn It wasn’t too difficult. Just have to network and reach out to locals, sometimes spend a little bit of your own money and be willing to teach others who are interested. We use the original models out of preference, but 3d printing makes it more viable than before.
So just answering the video question.... I hope never. In a time where the better games are reimaginings or remakes of the originals (games like Silent Hill, Dead Space, Mortal Kombat/The Old World, Legions Imperialis, Urban War) I don't want another. I am not saying these reinventions are bad. Its just... Risky. Each of these remakes threaten the original. Now i appreciate my view comes from the consumer stand point rather than the business end so i understand it effects the idea of desire in a potential remake. We have been through an instance where a game was killed off (WHFB) and its cadaver exhumed in a veiled attmept to prosper on nostalgia. While it is absolutely a success, its also not a landslide on the tabletop front. Times have changed. There are 'better' games of its genre available and I 'feel' that. It is cool to see. However its cool in a meloncholic sense. I cant express this feeling in a YT comment but I understand my desire to NOT have more old IPs dragged up and puppeted. Let the dead rest
The scale was kind of less relevant because you were shooting at the base size and the stem of the base the ship no matter the model size was just too show the model for recognition
Gave Gothic a pass in the old days. Probably give it a pass if it rereleased. You just have a really hard time doing space or even aerial combat on the tabletop. BFG just felt like 18th-19th century naval warfare.
Sold all my gothic, wouldn't buy into a new one. In part not massively my thing, in part I suspect the kits would be overly fiddly having looked at the epic stuff.
