When Killer Whales and Humans Hunted Together 

Yup they’re the people of the oceans. Absolutely top of the food chain, social, intelligent, they have their own language, they pass down learned behavior, not just instinct, they’re the closest thing to humans on Earth, maybe not biologically but certainly in terms of how they fit into their environment.

Same they are some of my favorite animals. Such intelligent and complex creatures, it’s remarkable how clever they are

Orca are astounding, even if you can't understand how it sounds like "our-cause" when you pretend "Orca" are so called "orcas."

If you find orcas fascinating, you should look into crows and ravens or birds in the corvidae family. I also find orcas to be amazing creatures, but these little birds are quite amazing in their own right.

⁠@@majinvegeta9280that is true, from what I understand magpies are one of the few animals on Earth that have shown signs of self awareness. They’ve passed the mirror test, and I’ve also seen an experiment, I believe it was ravens, where they had a treat in a bottle of water but the water level wasn’t high enough for the bird to reach the treat, and there was a pile of rocks next to the bottle. The bird took the rocks and dropped them into the bottle, raising the water level until it was high enough for them to reach the treat. This shows great problem solving skills and also potentially an understanding of cause and effect, which is a high level thought process.

Crows do that with human hunters as well but I didn’t know they played with the puppies!

or badgers and cyotes

THATS SOOOO CUTE!!!!!

Plus I’m sure defence against large cats helped! Lynx, cougars, etc tried to go for us quite a lot early on in our history.

Dogs were never apex, nor cats.

@@ThoughtsAreReal you’re referring to the very opening line, OP is referring to the line at 4:05 which is more generically about “large predators” and “carnivores”

But modern dogs come from gray wolves, who are apex predators.

Dog

What are you some kind of nerd?

​@@doommarauder3532 you're commenting under this video so it's safe to assume you're a nerd yourself

​​@@doommarauder3532 You ain't? Look at the video you're commenting on.

That’s super cool that you know them names!!

Касатка - Kasatka is literally an Orca in Russian therefore mb that one had another name

@@WebinarPerson She was named Kasatka. She was captured in 1978 in Iceland and died in 2017 in Seaworld San Diego.

Weren't the baboons working with lions? I never heard about them working with crocs

@@Girjon05 I haven't heard about the lions but I'll take your word for it. I know they were doing it with crocs. It wouldn't surprise me though, they are super smart. They have also been documented kidnapping feral puppies and raising them.

@@Bitchslapper316 I actualy think it was with lions. Basically the baboons would act chill around the other animals, even though they know the lions are hunting. By seeing the baboons so calm, the other animals would also lower their guard, meaning the lions had an easier time to sneak up on their prey. In return the lions never attacked the baboons, and they didn't teach their cubs to attack baboons, so the cooperation worked. The lions had a bit more success in hunting, while the baboons didn't have to worry about being eaten

@@Girjon05 I'm actually %100 certain the event I am talking about was with crocodiles. They would hang out near the watering hole but far enough away they were safe. They would see the crocs and put out the "it's safe" call. Other animals would come down to drink and get eaten. Then the baboons would go drink.

@@Bitchslapper316 Where did you see that? Seems interesting to see

I’ve read a lot about this and if I remember correctly, they actually don’t need to share their catches with the dolphins! When the nets are thrown, the fish, that had been swimming away from the dolphins, change direction to try and escape the net, and a lot end up fleeing directly towards the dolphins. So the humans get the ones in the net and the dolphins get the ones that escape the nets! So there’s no need to split the catches, everyone eats good!

They have a documentary about that tribe. The dolphins would be netted with the fish at times but would stay calm because the humans would release them then share the catch.

It happens in Laguna, State of Santa Catarina, Brazil. There's some level of cooperation between dolphins and local shore fishermen.

How is a museum atonement?

@@stephenkennedy8305 now more people know about this story and pay their respects to Old Tongue. Which is something, but probably not enough

No, you completely misunderstood. A greedy human who did not want to take the risk that his prey maybe gets washed away. Watch the video again. It was the humans fault. THE HUMANS. Not anybody elses. Are you American? They are great at shifting the blame and not taking responsibility. You seem like a USsian to me.

​@@mathhews95I like how people misspell his name, someone wrote it as Old Thom, and then there's this, Old Tongue 😂

i think you shouldnt be so quick to judge, the dude was in a stressful position, besides with whaling later being forbidden the pact couldnt go on anyway. not saying hes not at fault.@@dasstigma

Glad I saw your comment, I was just about to click off and not watch the end but this comment made me do so - as yeah, this fucking SUCKS. As someone who bought that bundle in the past I'll make damn sure I don't give Curosity Stream a penny again.

I got the bundle too. That's gonna get cancelled and I'm going directly to Nebula. I watch it much more than I do Curiosity Stream

Why would you teach a criminal🇳🇿 anything 🤔

@@mokgz169 what's criminal about the flag of new zealand?

@@ben.pueschel Aren't they also a penal colony 🤔

@@mokgz169 No it wasn't. Do some research and you'll find it was primarily settled as an actual settler colony with free farmers and workers making up the bulk of white immigrants.

@@shakeelali20 So you don't need a criminal record anymore to get into New Zealand 🤔

Contains some truth but not all. Maybe google for more truth. The story of Tom and his dragging the whale boats out with his teeth and his teeth being worn down by the ropes was not told .

I don't really get the point you want to make@@andrewchalmers7422

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Interesting. I wonder if they have similar conversations about us.

@@erikdayne5429I wouldn’t be surprised if we’re the “crazy killer aliens/monsters” to the rest of the animal kingdom if I’m being honest, it’d make sense.

@@ger5956yeah I agree, a lot of animals communicate in their own way and while it may not be as complex as human language, they can certainly communicate if there’s a threat in the area. Interestingly enough for some animals we’re probably not the “killer aliens”, but also potentially “benevolent gods”, like for dolphins for instance, we don’t hunt them so they wouldn’t see us as a threat, but we do have a lot of positive interactions with dolphins so they probably see us as a helpful influence.

@@erikdayne5429And knowing how dolphins are I'll bet some of them thought, in their way about: "I wanna bang that weird land thing".

I don't think dolphins or other cetaceans have the understanding of the concept of gods. At least there's no concrete proof of it.

The Haida tribes still maintain bonds with orcas

@@jurban7998 That's good to know. I hope they serve as a good model for how humans and orca can not just coexist, but become great partners!

Have you ever read The Idiot Gods by David Zindell? It's a fiction book about exactly that-human and orca communication, told from the perspective of the orca. You might like it!

Only white people broke the pact not other humans white people hate wild animals unlike us we live with other animals

They are not the 'wolves' of the sea. They are the 'Humans' of the Sea.

It's not actually in the outback. It's on the east coast, 🙂down amongst the old growth forests and just east of the snowfields.... I live around the corner.

Any time someone says orcas have never killed humans in the wild I think about how powerful and intelligent they are. If they wanted to kill a boatload of humans no one would know. They would just be gone. No survivors. I'm sure there were serial killer whales out there at some point, if only to toss our corpses around like seals

that's a lot of blowhole

Unfortunately, even if they had hands like us, they have another factor holding them back from reaching our level of technological development- their environment is not conducive to the use of fire.

I remember thinking that same thing as a child, after first reading that dolphins are more intelligent than humans. "Well then, why aren't THEY running the world instead of us?" I wondered. It didn't take me long to reach the same conclusion you did.

That really is an interesting thought!

If we look at the evolution of the human brain, fire was one of the catalysts for its advancements. I would like to imagine something for the orcas to take that step.

Poor fella 😢 he just wanted his share

More orca content is always welcome imo

@@aamirrazak3467well we are the best.

​@@aamirrazak3467 also, more Stephanie! 😊

@@artawhirler yeah also good!

The story about Old Tom...this is sad

Same with your species!

me too!!

Happily, you can! It's a 30 minute documentary called "The Killer Whales of Eden" and it's right here on RU-vid! 😊

I'm so curious about Old Tom's side of the story. Did this betrayal had any social implication? Orcas obviously have their emotional spectre and i ponder what went through Old Tom's mind as he swam away that fateful day.

@@artawhirler There's two. There's my original rough cut using only my original interview material and then there's our more elaborate ABC documentary with recreations and my 3D digital animations and fullsize animatronic model orcas. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gaRSdixOTqM.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nk_sDK0yLOk.html I'll be posting some more excerpts of interviews. There's over 20 hours of interviews with family members and eyewitness townsfolk and Thaua / Yuin first-nations people.

@@justanotherhuman7488 At the time Tom lost his tooth there were only three male orcas who were spotted visiting the bay in winter, Tom, Hookey and Humpy. Others such as Ben had been recognised a few years later on a one off visit. So the pod had dwindled down to almost nothing with three elderly orcas who were possibly brothers. Tom was very familiar with George Davidson over decades and would be unlikely to harbour ill will. It was George's neighbour J.R. Logan who tussled with Tom though being at midships at the controls Tom may not have understood who was responsible.

Well how about hearing the actual people involved... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gaRSdixOTqM.html

That's what it means. Humans and Orcas did hunt together. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-gaRSdixOTqM.html

The Davidson family themselves produced a book themselves called "Davidson of Kiah" by Don Davidson who sought to correct the unfortunately numerous errors in Mead's book regarding the family and nature of people in the story. I knew Tom Mead personally and spoke to him for many delightful hours in Manly . He had embroidered a lot of the story for dramatic value but the actual whaling episodes are quite accurate. George was a quiet man and rather sick of Journalists so difficult to extract information from. The copies owned by the Davidson family are covered from end to end in corrections. Tom Mead had met George a few times but George's daughter Annie had provided the lions share of stories. George Davidson's grandson Rene Davidson set out to collect as many photos as possible from the whaling days and published two photo compilation books, one of which focused exclusively on the whaling and killers and whaling station. I managed to interview many members of the family on audio tape and video including people who had been direct eyewitnesses to the whaling and spoke to folks who had directly participated in the whale chases. There's a lot more to it than in the existing books.

Or less. That would require critical thinking to make multiple generations think "all boat bad" considering some have never seen a boat.

@@oofbonk9741Rude! We are certainly capable of critical thinking.

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@@Murderoreo1 sorry, orca friend😔

@@oofbonk9741You are no friend to orca? But orca friend to you.

There's a video where a baby orca flags down a boat to help it's mother get loose from a net. As thanks the mother tossed an octopus on the boat.

Since when did we hunt with beluga whales?

Orcas attack white sharks though, probably because they see them as a threat, I don’t know for sure but it’s possible orcas could ignore smaller sharks and those are the kind they were referring to in the story.

​@@erikdayne5429 Yeah they only eat the liver of the great white for its nutrients, I'm not sure how appealing smaller sharks are to them. There's still so much we have to discover.

And also - when is Discovery Channel gonna start having "Orca Week"??? 😅

@artawhirler that would be really cool to watch. Orcas are some of the most amazing creatures on the planet, and they don't have anything really. Sharks are one of my favorite creatures, though. I could only assume it's cause there are so many different species and people like watching sharks rip things apart. The bigger the better

@erikdayne5429 Orcas have ripped the livers from 16 foot white sharks. They have high intelligence and hunt in pods and coordinate the hunt. Sharks don't stand a chance against them. Even a 20-foot shark would be greatly outclassed by a single full-grown orca. Orcas know that sharks go catatonic if you roll them belly up so Orcas will roll them over and then take what they want. Well, orcas that hunt sharks. Each orca is vastly different, with each having their own personalities and preferences. I think it is resident, transient, and off-shore. Each pod is it's own community with their own language. It's worth the time to look it up.

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