When Obsession Turns To Murder 

dont try to understand a narcissist.

He was just as responsible!

​@Lowe Spring Acres how is that?

@@will-i-am386 I think they mean that Ignacio shares at least part of the blame for carrying on an affair with Shawna?

@@mikeygraves16 I can see that, but I wouldn't consider that "just as responsible". At the end of the day she's the only one that can be responsible for her actions, and she habitually made bad decisions.

Ya think?!?!? Holy Shit!

I agree

Prejudice amongst friends.

honestly i think this should be fine. every investigator and officer is going to have hundreds of relationships with people that could "bias" their investigation of the case. it's especially hard to control when the officers are going to be living in the same area that they protect/investigate. just like a judge simply has to be trusted to be impartial, i think the same should be done with investigators. the more important thing to prevent corruption is to have accountability if it is discovered that they were biased in the case.

@@ChipTheYoshi You're very naive and don't understand human nature. Even courts move certain cases to a different jurisdiction at times. The terms conflict of interest, corruption, bias, etc. weren't made up out of nothing.

You know she's a monster after they found the kenny chesney cd

@@MeatMachine69lmao agree

​@@MeatMachine69 🤣🤣🤣

thats right, she wanted him to see it

Shawna is as worthless and vile as they come. Idk what anyone would see in her

Yeah, fosure!! First mother then daughter..so much for one family..

@@rollinstoned8447 I know, no wonder she was depressed. So sad.

Was really the depressing icing on the cake

Agree

Sins of the father....

Well said

Agreed! I'm shocked he kept taking her back and continuing such a terrible relationship. She clearly didn't love him. You don't do those things to someone you claim to love and shared vows with.

Let's not forget that when he pulled her over he still tried to protect her by taking the gun she used to murder and to hide it. He was eventually according to the video found guilty of doing this but then the charges were dropped. Note: he can still be guilty of hiding the gun as was determined and still have the charges dropped. No reason was given.

Yeah you're right there. For me cheating is THE game changer. All bets are off, we're done, don't let the door hit you on the way out. I don't know how you could ever repair that kind of broken trust. Rest in peace to Heather.. 💔

​@@Jakal-pw8yqexactly, it shows a person's lack of morals, integrity and loyalty for them to cheat. Those are flawed character traits that I just cannot find attractive.

Whoa wow !

And her husband. Poor guy

Good heavens!

Kharma

That’s what I was thinking. Heather has a sister and she was absolutely devastated when she was interviewed by Paula Zahn years before Victoria died. I’m sure she’s crushed now.

I blame him equally& wholely! He fully created the entire situation & then cried that Shauna was blackmailing him and forcing him to continue their affair! He was only afraid for himself, being caught, losing his double portion of cake and therefore, losing his home & family as well, that he wasn't loyal to so he abandoned them to go do the mcwild, but now, he doesn't want to part with what he abandoned when he discarded his promise? It's always about him, pssshhhh. He knew Shauna was manipulative & threatening his wife! What did he expect to result from cheating, lying, deceiving and hiding the truth from others who would suffer for his choices? Good? Desert? Another scoop of ice cream? Ya don't poke a grizzly bear and taunt it and then cry that the grizzly shouldn't have mauled you because you were innocently playing! Had that man really loved his wife he would have left her and divorced her and accepted his wrong. He wouldn't have risked his family & exposed them to any other the drama that results from cheating and disrespecting your family! That should have shamed him & he should have protected her from amy further shame. Even if he ended the affair with Shauna, he would have lived somewhere else, away from Heather and then any retaliation from Shauna would have been on him and only him! She had his child so........ But he didn't love & he selfishly did what he did, to hell with the consequences until........, he got caught! Then, he begged and cried for Heather's forgiveness, used her neglect from her depression to shift blame to her & leverage obligation as a basis for her to share the responsibility of his weakened state that caused him to break his convenant with her. He got her to take blame, then he continues to stay in the freaking house and subject her to his girlfriends phone harassment, even getting her to fight with the other woman by going to a lawyer to send her a cease order to stop contacting them and leave them alone! Signed by himself and his wife! So now he pitted his wife against his lover because he doesn't want her of the baby but he had already pitted his lover against his wife because she had him trapped or he used her awful neglect of his needs etc. Wow! He didn't move away from his family to protect them from retaliation, he created it and drug them through his drama and cohearsed their defending him against the woman he was sharing pillow talk with & complaining about his unfulfilling wife & telling Shauna that he needs everything she is giving him & how much better she is at this and that & how terrible HeAther is because she kseps him stuck in a sexless marriage and wtfever! He is with her in this affair for so long that he impregnates her twice! He has no balls to speak to her husband and her to arrange the care of the child that he selfishly brought under these feckery circumstances! Everybody was supposed to fight a war that he created and suffer any consequences that came of it, but, he wasn't going to lose anything as a result or pay for the child! Look who kept his son to raise as his own! That sorry p,o,s caused his wife's murder & rather than get his paternal rights, he blamed the child & sees that child as the reminder of his selfishness & his culpability! That's why he isn't taking care of his child and let's another man keep his 'left behind' unfinished & abandoned obigation! You hope this haunts him? You're silly & you're deceiving yourself because your concious would be haunted so you think his would. Well no. If he had a conscious, he wouldn't have broken his marriage covenant! When he impregnated the wife of another man, he wouldn't have continued and impregnated her a second time! If he had a conscious he would have admitted his wrong doing and divorced his wife and gave her everything. You know? A restitution for tresspaSsing against her! Someone that is truly sorry will volunteer their restitution & return 7x more & will not demand a thing because they are the tresspsswr that broke the contract and covenant! Cheaters that demand something are liars when they apologized. They said sorry to get something. He wouldn't have selfishly blamed everyone and increased their suffering so he could keep everything! He has no concious & he blames Shauna, just as you said, because she pulled the trigger. He sees himself as a victim and his daughter's death gives him more fuel to be a victim. He will react to his losses by nourishing his insatiable feelings! Ol boy will have a g f. believing nothing was his fault or he will play ignorant of the risks because he never thought, blah blah. But regardless, his child will be raised by the other man and he won't lose a nights sleep over his child just like he refused to lose anything for abandoning his marriage & family covenant! He didn't think about any possibility of jealous retaliation that could harm his wife because that would require him to sacrifice his comforts to ensure her well being! He only thought of himself. I hope that other man doesn't end up with bitterness and resentment and heap it all on that poor child. His attempt to cover up what she did tells on him! He is an emotional thinker that will try to control everyone and everything because he will not discipline his emotions. He reacts to them & nourishes their demands at all cost. He was willing to cover up her action of murder to keep his comfort! It was not to protect her! It was to protect him. He didn't want to be a single father or he would have been when she dot pregnant again with her lovers child! He was willing to tolerate her cheating so he wouldn't lose his comforted feelings! She good have sex with anyone as long as she gave him some and stayed there to help raise their kids! His comfort. So when his feelings of bitterness and resentment and suffering as a single father are out of control... hmmm....guess who he is going to look at and see daily as the reminder of his unfair sufferings? Guess who serves as a stand in for blame ? It isn't Shauna or Ig or Michelle! There's the reality. They each showed us who they are. You projecting your feelings on that) man will not make it so. That isn't who he showed you he was!🤔💯👌

​@@thequieterubcomethemoreuhe1198 Damn.

@@thequieterubcomethemoreuhe1198 He wasn't getting a portion from his wife, so he looked for another outlet. It's just unfortunate that he chose a psycho.

​@@RaphaelDawkinsCombatRadioFor you to be able to see coherence in such disgusting and evil acts you must look alike. Please don't get married if the most important thing to you is sex, it shows you're not a good catch. Get back to the streets and don't ruin anyone's life sweetie. ✌️

@@RaphaelDawkinsCombatRadio No, it's wrong that he went looking for an affair instead of working things out with his wife or officially separating from her before looking elsewhere. It's not "unfortunate that he happened to choose a psycho". You don't just cheat because your life isn't perfect. There's no point in getting married if that's his philosophy.

I thought the same thing. When she grabbed his hand. I feel like she was hoping he would be turned on and help her out. I called that she was going to grab his hand before she did it. I think it’s so funny how looking at peoples body language you can see there lies.

Her attempt is sickening and pathetic.

I know ... Horrible trait if used in this way... I like the way you expanded it lol... Breathily says , oh greg' ' 😅

👏👏👏👏 spot on!!!! Can't even add anything.

@@amityislandchum dude… she was definitely trying to subtly flirt with him. She knew she was catch. And she knew him personally. I bet he gave her the look a few times over the years of them knowing each other. And she knew it she knew he wanted to smash. And that was her last ditch effort to wiggle her way out of the mess she got her self in. So long story short I am projecting just a little. 😂

Imagine being that half sibling... they had better receive good mental coaching, because they are born with a massive burden then could do nothing about.

His daughter died at 17 in a accident, very sad.

@@tracyshaffer4510 tragic, some ppl get a shit lot in life..the whole thing is hard..

They wouldn't of known about half bro thou unless this happens it's always parents putting children thru this stuff can't keep it in their pants and look else where before thinking I'm gunna help my partner

Right they all ended that woman life for no reason..

They didn't catch it from her. All cops (most at best) will cover each other even for murder. Scumbag majority rules.

17:45 Ignacio speaks of his baby like... it's... a thing, it's really bizarre. And really sad.

Heather and Victoria are/were innocent.

@@Robin_Coffins He was practically raped to have the child. I wouldn't call it my own either.

Donald Dump’s creed to a T!

​@@allisonjames2923I can't believe how delusional people still chose to be after living under our administration now.

Ooh I've never heard that before. I can't imagine a narcissist actually saying a prayer, "but if they did, this one is spot on.".....lol

Facts 💯 😂

The thing is, too, they say this to convince other people instead of themselves! Truly gross people

It's arrogance. Plain as simple with people like her.

Borderline Personality Disordered ( not psychopath)

And the stalking and taunting behavior towards Heather. Normal people don't do that.

@@ZenOfMKVLIborderlines can have ASPD…

I think you are right 👍

I never thought of that before. Could be true!

Sounds like it could have been her plan, wow. She is EVIL !!!! But I wonder if the police would even believe he would do that for a second, he doesn't have a reason to even be mad at Heather? ;o So how did Shawna think that would work out?

Good call.

Seeing as how he was on duty at the time he had a pretty good alibi.

Agreed. Should have gone to the State Police.

Yes, I said wait to myself during the questioning. Sketchimuss maximuss.

Police love to be ethically sketchy.

And if I were a lawyer, I'd eat that up with a spoon...I'd be calling for a change of location...on this ground alone dismissal of her case could have by The State Supreme Court or even U.S. Supreme Court standards be tossed. Her hubby should have never stopped her in the capacity of an officer. That first act could be seen as a conflict of interest and be a potential reason for mistrial. He should have waited for backup or followed her until she could be stopped by another officer. All the way around your comment is 100% spot on. Nice observation.

​@@userr7382 That's a gross exaggeration. Proof?

Or is an emotional wreck... I know if I'm being vulnerable and crying, if someone triggers me I can go through all the responses, fight, fight, fawn but every one of them emotional responses is real.

I used to cry like a faucet watching movies & stop the second a customer walked in. I've walked in on my grandmom crying & she played fine immediately. There was nobody there to "perform" for...

This is not true. Stop misleading people

This woman is absolutely a performance artist. She's using tears during the interrogation to try and manipulate the situation, garner sympathy and get information. It's common for psychopaths like this to turn their emotions on and off. It's possible for people to hide their true emotions well, like other repliers said, but...this is not one of those situations. What a horrible trash bag of a human being.

@@cowoverthemooI bet you’re an amazing performer

Right

Lol not her husband? Wtf is wrong with you? Ooooh woman amd children!!! 😢😢

Agree 10000%

To be accurate, Heathers actions started the entire ball rolling by failing to be intimate with her husband. If not for that, Ignacio would never have sought intimacy with Shawna and none of this would have happened.

​@@Strlrd1023 You seem to be ...insane

Disgusting attitude and 70 people agree with you. Sad world we live in where people place sex on such a high pedestal that people think a “cheater” is on the same level as a murderer

@@kiranmkota Touched a nerve, Kiran?

@@kirschrot77I don’t think you touched anything, but need to touch grass he played a part in the situation but not at all responsible for her actions. If that was the case heather should be “just as responsible” for staying with him, but you wouldn’t agree to that would you. Just a idiot

@@themacdaddy1749facts 😭😭 they all stupid for staying with each other

​@@kirschrot77OK smartass, it's easy to be snarky, but I've cheated before. I'm not proud of it, but I did it. Are you going to try to convince me that what i did is 'just as bad' as pointing a gun to someone's head, getting them to kneel down, and execute them in broad daylight? That's a hill you're willing to die on? You don't see any difference between those things?

he was in on it.

I wear my late fiance's boxers all the time, lol So comfy haha 😅😅😅

I reckon he was in on it too, he lied, said he turned off the ute, which we found out it was still running when he walked away from the truck, he took the gun.

devastating

And then him disposing of the murder weapon.

True Detective drama, affairs etc.

Well said

Tears for getting caught ofc, no tears for Heather. A real pos human.

Borderline Personality Disordered

A piece of paper won’t stop a bullet 😮

Heathers ex?

Restraining orders don’t stop bullets

Shawna is narcissistic and entitled. Sadly there are a lot of psychopathic women out there who think that way and think they “own” some one just because of their own obsession.

Psychological Projection This chick has BPD Same as in Fatal Attraction

Not only is he evil but he's a coward to the Core.

He wasn't coerced into staying with her, he made the deliberate choice to stay because he's too cowardly to face up to his own consequences and too useless to look after himself as a divorced man. What a catch 🤮

I mean I guess he may be a shit bag but shawna is clearly deranged.

@@exploitz0 oh, i’m not excusing the murderer. But he’s NOT a victim. He’s a step away from being an accomplice. Actions have consequences. Unfortunately, sometimes tragic ones to innocent people. Shawna is in prison. What are HIS consequences? Losing his beloved wife? His relationship with the murderer is WHY his wife is no longer alive.

How dare Heather fall into a deep depression after losing BOTH parents within a short period of time and ignore his cawk?! He should have been a better man and supported his wife in her time of need instead of thinking about his own needs.

I will agree with that.

Male privilege. (Sorry just mocking the MRAs 🤣)

He is white

Wtf does she have on him he will let her literally do anything like cheat, have others babies, kill innocent people n rape the gun like wtfff?,!

@@ragepig1059😂😂😂

Yeah, it felt like a big chunk of the plot was missing. The sudden reveal of an affair between the 2 women was so abrupt.

That should of been mentioned before the end, I seen another u tuber do this and they made it clear the women were in a relationship, damn that girl was sleeping with everyone.

Lol same! 😂

Michelle is too pretty for Shawna.

Them having an actual sexual relationship is doubtful. Michelle had a bf at the time, and Shawna used this alleged affair to hint that Michelle was SO pissed at her for calling it off that she would frame Shawna for murder

Exactly 10000%

Dude you're insulting a man is currently raising a child that isn't even his. Because of Ken that child has a father. Ignacio is the real dummy here,

I thought the same thing.

Yeah offering to raise your cheating wife’s lovechild is more self-abasement than “maturity”. Geez Louise.

It's not the kids' fault! Someone's gotta take them, who else but their dad? Why shit on Ken because he's a stand up guy? Other channels emphasize Ken's excellent character and the childrens' preference. I stepped up and became a single father after being wronged myself. I didn't have to but now my kid is glad I did. Guess you guys aren't like that.

She couldn't technically be interrogated by another dept. The same thing happened with Stephanie Lazarus.

COI only exists when it benefits the prosecution. I know from experience.

Maybe not COI, but definitely biased

Small town joke

With all the incestuous fraternization taking place in this sheriff's dpt. this was surely the least biased they could manage. He was probably the only one qualified that hadn't fallen asleep on top of this cow.

That’s what always gets me. That people think they’re going to get away with it. If your odds are like 99 out of 100, isn’t that still too big of a chance?? I think they’re crazed

I think she was trying to make it look like her husband did it. She was driving his truck, wearing his clothes under the robe, etc. That way any evidence that may have gotten on the clothes would be on HIS things.

I think that she thought it was worth it even if she got caught. She hated Heather and wanted to hurt the man that chose his wife over her. Sick

if he didn't want to leave the wife he shouldn't have cheated on her...

@@QwertyQwerty-eq7th that too.

A person with narcissistic tendencies who wants to be the "winner"

because heather was depressed and didnt want to have sex. ignacio is an insane horn dog who doesnt give a fuck about his grieving wife and just wants to bust a nut regardless of who its in

He shouldn’t have but is wife was sick with lupus I believe, she didn’t sleep with him anymore because her health so he went off and found a Ho! A bad one at that

I came here to say this! He definitely downgraded with his mistress. Woof is 100% accurate!

Willingness sometimes trumps physical attractiveness.

Because penis.

He should have come clean way before 2 pregnancies. I don't buy his story. I think he wanted to continue the relationship. I bet he liked the attention he was getting from this crazy person.

@@Funnyandsunnydays yes, i agree!

And yet he committed no crime, no trial, no time. And she is in prison for murder, forever.

@@rodman0088 oh yes, you’re right. He didn’t. And Psycho is where she belongs. I feel for Heather, that’s all.

I don't drink and this story is sad but that is some funny shit you said because it's so true

Or just move, find a place first. Def not a homeless shelter.

@@truth4004 I was thinking about people who may be slim financially. Not everyone can afford to just move.

@@victoriawilliams2786 you ever been homeless Becky? if you had you wouldn't be suggesting it. Ever been R@ped at a shelter?

I left Florida and came to California, spent 5 years homeless. Soon after I got my section 8 my abusive family was doing interviews with cyberbullying RU-vidrs to tear me down and let the world know I didn't deserve the home i now had or the kindness of them had shown. I wake up every day now to someone telling me to end my life. No, sometimes you can never leave no matter how far you go, they will always be just ahead of you to stop any progress towards happiness The dream world is that you can just leave and start over. The real world, abusers won't let you go.

@@Adrasdea many people get away from abusers by doing this. You didn't. That doesn't mean it isn't an option for others. Having your name changed costs very little. You can start with that, then try changing up your look, and then disappearing.

Rumor has it she slept with Greg too!🤣🤣

I agree; she barely looks like a woman.

Some men don't care about looks as long as she possesses the ability to smile like a donut.

@@leadboots72 Nice name BTW, lol.

Especially when she held his hand. That was manipulation! When Michelle testified she directed her anger at Heather because she believed Heather talked Ignacio into staying with her. I guarantee you that's exactly what she believed! Because that's how she works, she will talk people into staying in her life too! Ignacio is a one example, her husband, I wonder how her children are? I bet she was a manipulative mother! That character flaw will be present in EVERY relationship!

I agree Ogg is no victim. Though he didn't kill his wife physically his actions brought all this harm and Chaos to his home.

🎯 well said.

AGREED!

Cheating is not a crime or illegal in US. So keep your emotional stupidity to yourself.

Definatly no victim, but no murderer either This case was not about being a cheater, it was about murder Which is a billion times worse than cheating

Check out Dreading too, another great channel

JCS is posting again.

@@ReSearcherSusie they’re just posting old butchered content

JCS is overrated now, so many better channels out there

​@Charles S. Gorski Dreading is excellent. Another somewhat newer and less known channel is Just Thought Lounge. It's pretty great- well researched and well presented.

Cheating has become a new pastime, unfortunately, with women now far outpacing men. If one isn’t fully invested in their partner and family then they should simply leave. The better option is for them to never have children that will always be a lower priority to them than their lustful ambitions.

@@anhedonianepiphany5588 uh, it's not new. check out all of human history

@@mischr13 Uh, the massive scale of it is _absolutely_ a new phenomenon.

@@anhedonianepiphany5588 Men are more likely to cheat (20% of married men; 13% of married women)

​@@mischr13The other commenter is actually correct in that statistics around women cheating have risen drastically in the last couple decades. Men used to have us totally beat for numbers there, but women have caught up.

When you deny your husband sex for years you think you're just going through something but then you start to realize you're in a partnership where one of the main goals is intimacy and procreation and you're denying all that and creating an unnatural situation where you've got this man cut off from females and yet you give him nothing but still expect him to sit there waiting. That's the same thing as saying - to cheat. It's fine with me, I'm not having sex with you anyway. At that point just divorce. What are you doing? Making a man lose years off his life waiting in sexual purgatory? That's nonsense. Imagine working at a job that just stops paying you. How long until you're not faithful to the job anymore because what you agreed on isn't happening anymore? Most people can't even wait a few weeks. It's insulting and humiliating and against biology.

Right, some ppl have the worst luck my god. Heather went through a lot & her husband did nothing to stop the pain smh he was horrible

So is her husband. & Ig too…

And Ken Ken isn't innocent either.

Actually Ken is completely innocent. God, you femmy-types just can't stand that he's not in prison - just remember, he didn't commit any crime, including murder, which the woman did. @@CatLady-be9tn

Right, I said the same thing.

I'm so very sorry J C.

❤ it's never easy to bury our children. I'm sorry you experienced the trauma and loss of a child. My handsome and gentle son made it to 23 amazing years before he had a dirt biking accident. ❤ It's never enough time.

I’m so sorry ❤

💕

Alright we get it you’re smart, relax.

Police officers don't get punished..... didn't you know ?

@@li5322 i guess officers cleaning things up for their loved ones is a right enforced by our legal system

Well she didn't get away and I believe there was a lack of evidence to prove his involvement.

She got away with it? How so? She was found guilty and is in prison...

@@TheRadiantSoap If you knew how many cops beat their wife and molest their kids you would need to clean the vomit off your shirt.

Maybe due to Christianity and Islam's views on forgiveness. I'm pretty sure Jesus and Allah would condone murder and rape and forgive people who have done these deeds. I'd even argue that the Rabbus, Pope, the Pastors, and the Imams are crime-lords hiding behind lofty titles.

The state on Mike's show most often is of course Florida. Let's give it a go!😁

@NWIC Consultants that's my State yep real pride 😆

My pleasure! Thank you for watching! :)

@@STAYAWAKEvids also, I just wanted to say how happy I am to see how rapidly the channel is growing 😉👏🏼

She had a boyfriend and a girlfriend.

He even helped her hide evidence. He didn't even get charged which was wild. I guess there's alot going on with this case, so much going on that they forgot to arrest and charge him. Life sure is complicated.

Sex can be a very important side of life while a person is healthy. It was nice of him to respect his wife's years of being sexually unavailable. He took a side piece in order to not violate his wife's need for space. Unfortunately, he picked a psycho.

@@RaphaelDawkinsCombatRadio I think he didn't need to involve another human being to get sex and cheat on his partner. He could have satisfied himself and then been there to support his life partner he chose through her struggles. Or else be honest, come to an agreement with his wife, and tell her what he was doing, maybe he could have paid escorts if he was desperate who would not treat him as more than a job. But another person is a person and is not an object to fulfil sexual or excitement needs so doing such things will always become complicated and hurtful when one already has a partner and want to keep more.

Exactly ! People acting like what he did was remotely ok cause "he needed sex 🥺" are insane , excusing his actions for no reason. He's a horrible person who couldn't even stand by his wife during her time of need cause he was too horny , if the roles were reversed and ignacio was a woman , none of these comments trying to excuse him would exist.

Hey I saw you in that other channel lol the shady one tt or Tom tardy lol

Haha yep! You must be a hard-core true crime watcher like me! I kinda start seeing the same people sometimes so I think the community is a smaller one 😊

He made nobody pull the trigger. It's called life, quit murdering.

You win the comment section 😂 😂 Because truly.. those bangs should have been left in the past.. straight 80s. 😂

I'm saying man.

Brilliant 😂

Frank Zappa reference

They are felonious!😂

Your God is a sick fuck who condones murder of infants. Your prayers are comfort are empty.

He’s disgusting , he’s got as much class as that sow Shawna

The word cuckold comes to mind.

I totally hate him.

Agreed, total coward

It's the evidence that busted this case wide open🤠😅

@@Anti_everything_and_everyone I believe it 🤣