When Scottie Pippen OUTSHINED Michael Jordan 

Channel is blowing’ up, my man. Great work. Keep it up. The Artest video was excellent…stirred a lot of debate. I hope you do more in that vein.

Nice to see

Depends on who you ask but I would say just right

Pretty good segway there, not gonna lie.

Yo @jonnyarnett make thus a series by dynamic duo example kareem and magic,shaq and kobe,curry durant,d wade and lbj when they outshine there tag team partner in crime in the series

He played 15 seasons the last two seasons don’t count since he was so bad

Michael Jordan.. #1 All Time reg season PPG 30.12 #1 All Time playoff PPG 33 4 #1 All Time NBA Finals PPG 33.6 #1 All Time reg Season PER #1 All Time playoff PER #1 All Time NBA Finals PER 🐐

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So is Pippen better than LeBron?

​@@GoodStuff115who says this?

Pippen should never be considered overrated,ever..

Wildly overrated most of the time. Yes he was damn good but there's no question that it was Jordan's not just his immense talent and skill and drive but the reason that team was so successful Beyond of course great coaching was the fact that Jordan had unlike any other star in the history of the league, a will to win that he could impose on not only the game but on his own teammates. We've never seen anything like it in the history of the nba. It made me less of a fan throughout the 90s because it was basically a foregone conclusion that the Bulls were going to win whatever they wanted to win except in that come back year of his butt in the sixth championship years every single year you knew the bulls were going to win the championship every single year you could just tell that there was this thing happening where Jordan was imposing his will on each game which meant he could thus control each series. If the guy could control an individual game then of course he knew what he needed to do was to control four individual games within any given series and he did. And he did it by not only imposing his own will on what was happening on the floor but he imposed his own will through relationships and through practice and through pregame and through whatever happened on the court, on his teammates. It's not as if you didn't see it, guys like John Paxton and Steve Kerr would step up and come through in the clutch when they needed to constantly. Once he learned how to control this aspect of himself once he discovered that he had that ability to literally not only will himself to victory but to will his team to victory, he learned how to get over the hump of the Pistons and the Celtics. Pippen was certainly great but I'm offended that he's considered greater than Dominique Wilkins, Bob McAdoo etcetera. My interpretation is that it was supposed to be the 50 greatest players of all time, not the 50 greatest teammates. He had really good individual skills but his skills and talent were nowhere near that of certain other people that never made that 50 or 75 And Johnny asking the question what is Michael without Scotty and what is Scotty without Michael.... I think we saw enough of that to know the answer. Michael was hitting clutch shots winning the NCAA championship as a freshman.... He was wildly dominant in the NBA even before Scotty made his rise cuz it took him a couple years to really get his footing and during that period the Bulls were improving every year and Jordan was getting better and better and was dominating the league with scoring titles, MVPs, and DPOY awards. Not to mention that even in his old age when he came back to play Washington for those couple seasons he was still unbelievable I remember begrudgingly picking him on my fantasy squad as much as I dislike him because I just knew that even at almost 40 he was going to stull be really productive. No certainly he didn't win his titles until Scotty became scotty, but at the same time it is kind of rare for individuals to lead teams to an NBA title it very very very very very very rarely happens. I've gone back through every team dating back to the year I was born in 1970. And if I'm correct the Pistons in 04 were the only team to ever win without a superstar and a second "somewhat star" to compliment him. Arguments can be made about how big of a star people like ginobili and Tony Parker were, an argument can be made about how big a star the players on the Seattle team that won the title in the late 70s. But the backcourt alone on that team were both considered stars back then then

​@@jasonallen3678he should be. Some people think he's top 25/20 or was better than mj

He's Jrue Holliday.

Larry Bird’s take was pretty decent: with MJ, Scottie is the #2 player in the league, without MJ he drops to #5.

What the 1998 Last Dance season show you?

Pippen could've been replaced also Pippen didn't have no other choice but to maximize his talent or else who wouldn't been there. Also the front office wanted to trade Pippen often so yeah Pippen could've been replaced. Everything u think Pippen did so did Jordan. There wasn't nothing on the court that Pippen did that Jordan couldn't do lol. Nice try though

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With MJ against the Knicks, Pippen went 5-0. Without MJ, Pippen went 0-1 In the 1994 playoffs, his first year without Jordan, Pippen had his lowest playoffs FG% of his career to that point (43.4%) Also in 1994, that was the lowest apg he had in a playoff since his 2nd year in the league

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Absolute facts!

Exactly, no player will be the #1 everyday for his team given that you have another superstar. However MJ was the clear #1 and especially in the playoffs.

@@faruquekhan3353 Superstar tho?

Very well said!

You are right tho. Jonny does a great job with his takes/videos and I completely agree with this video. "Streetclothes" Hahaha! It's even listed nicknames on his Basketball Reference. Hahaha

@@17thN.O yeah, it is a funny ass nickname. In 15-30 years fans will be confused about that nickname, and that might be an inside joke for the people who watched AD's career.

@@marcosmartinez8088 They gonna think it's because he has style.

wasn't for Kukoc's game winner, a new addition to the 1994 Bulls team that hadn't played with Jordan in the first 3peat, the Bulls would have been down 0-3 against the Knicks while Pippen sat on the bench from the sidelines. Pippen did not push the Knicks to 7 Games by himself. He needed extra pieces that Jordan did not have pre-1996 such as Kerr and Kukoc.

My take is that PIppen was certainly a key piece of Bulls' success but Jordan could still win a lot if we replace Pippen w/ Reggie Miller or Shawn Kemp caliber players. Kemp would be in HOF and top 50 / 75 had that happened. Pippen OTOH mighta very well be just another good player like Kevin Johnson that never made it to HOF.

​@@TellenJonesyou're part of the problem, the way you just dismissed pips elite defense (which defense was the biggest part of the bulls success) and the fact he ran the triangle...and suggesting Reggie etc could replace that is laughable

@@twizzy585ots Who's to say defense is the only way to win championships? Bulls might be a bit off defensively if Reggie came in for Pippen but they'd gain more offensively to compensate that. The way Reggie kept moving around off the ball to loosen defense up, he's like the prototype of Curry and would definitely create more open looks for Jordan. During Jordan's first retirement, Reggie Miller took his lone-man Pacers to back 2 back ECF while Pippen only went for ECSF in 94 and then was in danger of missing playoff in 95. When asking both Pippen and Reggie to be that franchise guy, Reggie put out BETTER PERFORMANCE. It's not even close. Reggie had bigger heart and clutchier than Pippen. Triangle offense is not so difficult that only Pippen could do. Hell, a bunch of scrubs like Mills and Diaw in that 2014 Spurs team already moved the ball around so clinically they made Lebron chasing AF. You think Pippen was the only one capable of moving the ball? Think again.

@@TellenJones Kevin Johnson was NOT just another good player who didn't make the Hall of Fame. Prior to his hernia issues, he was a 20 ppg/10 apg speed demon playoff BEAST, who only failed Hall of Fame induction because of child grooming allegations; people have extremely short and revisionist memories.

​@@camaradiop3731 KJ's primary problem was he lacked of nuf stellar performance to boost his case. He had a good stretch in early 90's and then got injured a lot to miss many games so he could not build his resume up. KJ and Shawn Kemp both had HOF capabilities but didn't make it. I'll say this: If Suns had won in 93 and Sonics in 96 over Bulls, both KJ and Kemp would be in HOF right now. The same could be said of Jeff Hornacek. Jordan's overwhelming dominance ruined a lot ppl's career. Lebron OTOH in comparison was embarrassingly an enabler. He enabled Norwitzki's legacy who at the time was deemed a has-been. He enabled Duncan to be the only one to win championships in 3 decades. He enabled GSW to be a dynasty.

Spot on!

To his case jordan never went far without pippen. Jordan was the shot taker while pippen did the small important things that jordan didn’t even do

Jordan needed Pippen because it is a team sport and you need a good team. This apply to every player but Jordan was far more valuable to Bulls than Pippen. People tend to think of NBA as a one man sport, it is not. It's a team sport and one player cannot win the championship by themselves. Everyone needs great teammates to win. The question becomes how valuable you are to your team and whether you can help the team win the championship. To me Jordan was way more valuable to the Bulls than Pippen was. It was not even a debate. However they needed each other to win championship, just like Shaq needed Kobe and Wade and Kobe needed Shaq and Pau Gasol, or Lebron needed Wade and Bosh and Kyrie and Anthony Davis. You need other players to help you win. It depends on how much value you add to the team.@@KlikQuot

@@faruquekhan3353 fact is jordan didn’t do shit without pippen

Well obviously, just like Pippen didn't do anything without Jordan. And Jordan played really 2 seasons without Pippen so I have no idea what you are talking about? Jordan played his rookie years and sophomore year he was injured and played only 18 games and he played 3rd year, than the Bulls got Pippen. And the first 3 years together they could not win championship but eventually they won the championship.@@KlikQuot

And sometimes he wasn’t the second best player, it was Horace Grant ( like in 1992).

in 98 finals PIPPEN got injured and it was JORDAN who carried them. And BULLS still won most of the games in 98 without PIPPEN..

Perfectly put. Pippen was a Robin he was not a 1B like Kobe with Shaq or the case with Magic and Kareem, or Durant and Steph. Not every championship team will have two superstars that are 1a and 1b. For example with Spurs Duncan was batman and others played Robin roles like Parker and Ginobli.

That goat has zero rings without pip so there's that

​@@faruquekhan3353clearly he was cause mf couldn't guard magic or bird that was pippen job btw without pippen 0 rings sound 1b to me

Back and foot injuries messed Pippen up that year (1997) in the playoffs. And that was kind of the beginning of the end for his prime athleticism, too. He injured his back at the end of game 3 in the first round against the Bullets and then he messed up his foot against the Heat in the ECF that same year. That foot injury is also the injury that caused him to need surgery and ultimately miss a bunch of the 97-98 season (although it was also because Pippen didn't get surgery in the off-season). And that back injury from the Bullets would pop up every now and again, too (Game 6 in the 1998 finals is probably the most well-known example of this).

Why Jordan couldn't win shit til pip came😂😂

@Wolvesnation when Pippen arrived the Bulls was still losing lol. Pippen drafted in 87 but they didn't win until 91. Isiah Thomas brags about being 3-1 against Jordan and guess who was playing alongside Jordan???? Pippen so remind me again what did the Bulls win when Pippen arrived? Also Pippen didn't even start his rookie year and the Bulls went 50-32 3rd seed all this with Pippen coming off the bench averaging 7.9 ppg and he wasn't even the 6th man lol. Nice try though. Go study up fella because when u REACH I TEACH lol

Kyrie 2016 Finals vs any version of Scottie Pippen.. Google it

Drexler was clearly a better player than Pippen, if not much better.

It wasn't just Jordan being there to deflect pressure off of him, but also Jordan working with him to help him with his game. If Pippen had never been drafted to the Bulls, who knows where his career would've went. I don't think anyone aside from Jerry Krause was even looking at him for the draft, but I could be wrong.

@@davidmartinez52420 Jordan was called the best basketball player ever before Pippen was drafted.

@@furiogiunta7886no he was not what are you smoking he wasn’t even considered a top 20 player

Yep, Scottie over performing on some nights while MJ having an average night.

Why did Jordan get dissed this whole video? Scottie has exactly one (1) career 30 point game in the NBA Finals.. 1991 he scored 31

Scoring wasn't generally his job, and this was in no way "dissing" mj. Are you 12..? @@KaineTremaine

The numbers he put up in these games were a lot more than a hair better..

@user-cn8nu6lq4w Jordan got disrespected throughout the entirety of the whole video. With only a couple of weak compliments tossed in. Maybe you need to listen to the commentary a second time. - Even the title was disrespect.. "OUTSHINED Michael Jordan" .. as if Jordan isn't allowed an occasional helping hand while in title runs.

Incorrect, the record was for the Half AND the game. Game record was tied, half record was exclusively MJ’s.

@@jonnyarnettso Pippen broke the NBA finals and Bulls record for most 3 in a finals game? While Jordan still has the most in a finals half. Crazy thing is Curry almost tied MJ record in 2022 with 6 in the first quarter(also first half( but holds the record for most in the first qt and 9 in a finals game in 2018 is the most lol

@@jonnyarnett Scottie didn't set a record tied the record at 7

​@jonnyarnett yall keep saying Pippen doesn't get his credit but Pippen was on the 92 Dream Team, Top 50 Player and Ultimately a Hall of Famer. Seems like all the respect to me. Especially since he was able to be on the Dream Team and a top 50 player over Dominique. Funny how I never hear anyone going out there way to give credit to James Worthy, Kevin McHale or even Dwayne Wade lol.

@@g24deez Dwyane Wade doesn’t get any credit when he’s UNIVERSALLY viewed as the third best SG of all time? homie GTFO. just because you’re literally circle of friends or the basketball forums don’t talk about McHale or Worthy or Wade doesn’t mean the rest of us don’t. Jonny has literally made videos about all of them. everyone talks about McHales torture chamber and amazing defensive skills. everyone talks about Worthy being an amazing finisher and a great clutch player. i don’t even need to bring up Wade because he retired like 5 years ago and still is reminded of his greatness. nice try though. YOU REACH I TEACH. isn’t that what you say?

If MJ would’ve team hopped and built superteams he probably would’ve won 10 championships

This lebron team hooping narrative is stupid. Why would MJ ever team hop if his team was the one to beat , and the front office gave him good players. Lebron went to Miami because in Cleveland 7-8 years they didn’t give him anyone good. He went back to Cleveland because he wanted to win a chip with his team, and they were not absolute favorites. He went to lakers when they had no one who was an all star. People don’t give MJs teammates enough credit for their contributions

I’ll disagree with you that Jordan will still be Jordan without scottie. Without him , he wouldn’t have won as many rings and Jordan was Jordan because of his double 3-peat that’s his crowning achievement . He would be more like a better version of jerry west , or elgin baylor

You're beyond delusional if you thinking Pippen was the team leader anywhere close to Jordan. Pippen was the "den mother" who let guys cry on his shoulder when Jordan applied hard coaching. - They made certain to show us those examples in The Last Dance. Den mothers aren't leaders of championship teams.

Not sure if Pippen ever drew a double team lol

Go and watch actual games from 94-95. Regular season and playoffs. He drew plenty of double teams. And his offence was on point. Without actually watching a season full of games there is no ground to comment on it. he scored consistently no problems. Late 40% FG is pretty fine. It’s actually better than kobes fyi. He just didnt take more than 17 shots per game ever.

@martinsimek boy stop it 21 points being his highest ever. That's a second option. Dude can't avg 25. That's consistent. Nor does he hit clutch shots as we saw in Portland... Stop it

Magic and Bird were never forced to carry the type of load that Jordan had to with Pippen's inconsistency during the Bulls' second 3peat. Could Magic or Bird have ever won NBA championships with their best teammate playing as horribly as Pippen? I doubt it. Sure, Magic had a great performance in Game 6 of the 1980 Finals with Kareem sitting out, but he was helped a lot by Jamaal Wilkes 37 point effort. Jordan won regardless, even if his best teammate played horrible in 1997 and 1998. Thats something Magic, Bird, Kareem, Lebron, Kobe, etc can't say. They never singlehandedly carried their team and consistently took over big games to decide the NBA Finals while their second/third options of Magic/Kareem/Worthy, McHale/Maxwell/Johnson, Wade/Bosh, or Gasol played as horribly as Pippen did in several series of the Bulls' last 3peat.

Yawn smooth brain

Captain of the LbJ fan club 👏

He had a migraine in the '90 ECF. So I wouldn't count that as a choke.

He also missed 35 games in 97-98 and the Bulls still went 62-20.

​@@Cain353that's WHY it was a choke

Lol. True

From 1986-1990 in the playoffs, Michael Jordan averaged 40/7/7 on 53-36-85, 61% TS against everyone other than the Pistons (and their "Jordan Rules" defense)... and he still averaged 30/7/6 on 47-27-81, 56% TS against them. included the Bulls' team TS% in all series so you can see how little teammate support he had. And remember, team TS% includes his own scoring, so really his supporting cast's TS% was even lower. the Bulls shot 51% TS against the Cavs in '88, but Jordan shot 63% TS (on 45 ppg), his teammates shot 44% TS (on 57 ppg combined). So he scored 44% of his team's points, on +19% above their efficiency. Fun fact: he did not have an 11 ppg scoring teammate in that series. His two double digit scoring teammates averaged 10.8 and 10.6, on 51% and 49% TS respectively. That series is probably the greatest one man carry ever.

@@jonnyarnett Game 2, 1991 NBA Finals- Michael Jordan’s 1st career Finals win: 33 Points, 13 Assists, A SPECTACULAR MOVE

@@jonnyarnett Game 1, 1992 NBA Finals- Michael Jordan: 35 First Half Points, 6 Three-Pointers, and 1 Shrug

Jordan didn't have Hakeem & Barkley Rockets or a stacked Portland team that made the WCF the yr before without Pippen. Jordan played on provety franchises without Pippen.

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Regarding the 2000 WCF, Pippen joined a Blazers team that already made the 1999 WCF in the previous year without Pippen.

Pippen played with Hakeem and Barkley Rockets plus a stacked Portland team that made the WCF the yr before without Pippen. Pippen had his chances to win without Jordan. Jordan and Pippen have their own legacies.

Kobe fallout's with O'Neal didn't effect his career. When the Lakers got Pau Gasol in a trade. He still was a great player. Obviously Gasol,Bynum,Odam helped as well. Along with Derek Fisher.

@@ktapreswreckd921v9 Really? Because that's not what Kobe though (ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PUVnObpACCI.html): Let me drop a quote he said about Shaq's work ethic: "I wish he was in the gym, I would have had fuckin' twelve rings".

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 Who cares? The one season with the Rockets, nobody on that team played more than 50 games, they were so wracked with injuries. Portland before Pippen got *swept* by the Spurs, and the next year they took the Kobe Shaq Lakers to 7 games. Jordan's legacy without Pippen is no more glorious than Pippen's legacy without Jordan. It turns out that basketball players get old.

@@MatheusTurossi Except Kobe *wasn't* better than Shaq, for every season they played together, except the last one. He was a good player, make no mistake, but he was in no way better than Shaq. And he did a *ton* of shotchucking and ball-hogging long before he had earned the right.

Game 3 of the 1991 Finals, Jordan was forced to take over after Pippen fouled out and put Divac at the line for an And-1. With the Lakers up 2 and only 11 seconds left in the 4th quarter, Jordan led the Bulls to a 14-4 run (scoring 8 points and assisting on 2 baskets to Paxson + Grant) after Pippen fouled out right before OT in Game 3, 1991 Finals. Pippen played very well in that game before fouling out (19-14-5-4), but Jordan still got it done when he had to with Pippen sitting out.

Phil Jackson was the Robin of that team. Tex Winter was Alfred. Pippen was a batarang. One of many tools in the utility belt.

If you put Pippen on any other decent team, he's winning rings.

@user-cn8nu6lq4w He was too soft, kid. You probably don't remember that though😬

I thought pippen was better but my dad was a magic Johnson fan

Awesome tho? lol Awesome at riding coattails

@@KaineTremaine Ya, every batman needs a robin and Pip was great as a robin. Hard to find better number two men than great defense, great ball handling, and just enough offense to shoulder a little of Jordan's burden. Pip couldn't have gotten it done and did not as a batman.

​@@johnjackson229be quiet sidekick

@@NoNameWillBeGiven-sj2ib What? Who are you?

@@johnjackson229 i said be quiet

I guarantee that nothing MJ had to say and or did say in that Last Dance Documentary was shocking or new information that MJ previously hadn’t or wouldn’t have said directly to Scottie’s face. You’re 100% on point with your assessment that MJ being hyper critical was a reflection of his disappointment about being left to carry that load alone; no doubt about it. Scottie has definitely hurt himself with his recent bitterness/ hate directed against MJ/ MJ’s legacy… Scottie has lost a whole lot of credibility and respect. It’s just sad.

He was already crazy when just a few years ago he accused Phil Jackson of being racist for picking Toni Kukoc to take the clutch shot against the Knicks in the '94 playoffs. Phil didn't even say anything bad about him in the documentary.

I agree, Pip wanted to get paid as he deserved it, if he had a shorter contract he would def have left for a max deal someplace else. Bulls would only have 2-3 championships.

Overrated

Jordan also went 26-12 (0.684 win%) without Pippen in the 97/98 season, and this was after the Bulls slow 9-7 start. The Bulls went on a 15-4 run without Pippen after that start, so they would have had an even higher win% without Pippen, the same way the Bulls started 4-7 without Jordan (but with Kukoc and Kerr) in 1993/94 but ended with 55 wins. 1995/96 season MJ = 5-0 without Pippen MJ = 15-3 without Rodman

So many disrespectful comments aimed at Jordan in this dumb video

Yeah. Johnny's joining the "overrate Pippen to downplay Jordan" train that so many content creators do.

What is the proper rating? Top 50? Top 20?

@@sideshowbobsaget8876 as time goes on 20 is probably too high. As players like Durant, Joker, etc keep racking up accolades he probably slides more towards the 30-ish range. IMO once you get out of the top 10 you're almost arguing semantics and preference anyway

@@jonnykilroy9762 I don't think Pippen was ever top considered top 20. But I agree and say between top 30-40 all-time.

Salute 🫡

I don't accept that at all.. Scottie hid in Jordan's shadow of leadership. Scottie depended on Jordan to continuously score the tough shots. - When was Pippen ever double teamed?

Be quiet sidekick

No. Be quiet sidekick

TLD kept the myth about Pippen being Magic primary defender in the 91-Finals. TLD made it seem like the Bulls were struggling without Pippen in 97-98 when they had the best record in the East. Stop crying Pippen got plenty of love.

Michael Jordan's stats in the 1991,1992 and 1993 NBA Finals Stats Michael Jordan stats in those finals were 36.2 PPG, 7.8 APG, 6.6 RPG on 52% from the field and 42% from 3. '91 Lakers were 5th in defense. '92 Blazers were 3rd in defense. '93 Suns were 9th in defense.

Nope, Pippen needed Jordan

Pippen only guarded Magic in game two because Jordan got into foul trouble in the 1st quarter. Other than that Jordan guarded Magic majority of the Finals Series. Pippen had his hands full guarding James Worthy who had a bum ankle lol.

Yawn

Jordan is the alpha, nice try

He made Pippen

Lol, Kobe didn't win shit before Pau, or after him. And it wasn't just Pau. It was Pau, Odom, and Bynum. A trio of all star big men. Kobe could have been so much better if he wasn't a psycho who tore down his own teammates.

@@shorewall how many championships have you won?

@@shorewall odom never made an all star team, bynum made one, ill give you pau but like I said, pippen is obviously better than pau.

They would win with Gary Payton guy

No

😂😂😂🫵🤡

@@abner0584 you must calling yourself a ,🤡. Yeah make ya self look stupid.

They werent a threat when he got there trolll

Pippen has exactly 1 career 30 point game in the NBA Finals.. ever

Pippen has exactly 1 career 30 point game in the NBA Finals.. ever