When The British & The Nazis Fought For North Africa | Greatest Tank Battles 

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excellent channel thanx for uploading...

It’s simple America’s massive resources won the battle nothing else esp not Britain that’s a joke!

Most of the tanks were BRITISH

@@garyseeseverything8615 British Brains American Brawn Russian Blood Joseph Stalin

I would assume most anchors in this timeline actually accepted and appreciated each other pretty well despite fighting against each other , that's mostly coming from all the documentaries I've seen based on tank commanders interacting with each other from two different armies and etc

It is still to this day Heavily Mined! Carefully step lightly.

It is quite obvious really. POL, ammunition food. And tea.

yep and outnumbering the enemy

Rommel is one of the most powerful general in the ww2

Hi you know who was manstien

Like Gen. GSPatton!

@@mikedunham8481 yes generals can be in the battlefield but no field Marshal was ever seen in battlefield, it was rommel who changed the rule.

@@mikedunham8481 Not really...

The music is turned up on these to avoid DMCA on RU-vid's system I think.

A very poor account of the action of el Alamein, rhe Germans were totally routed, you think it was a close thing if you listen to the commentary. Ridiculous. There was only going to be one winner there and that was Monty

@@markmurfin7984 were you there?

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When the British met the Germans in North Africa both sides brought huge symphonies to play music. They both thought it would make the war not only more interesting but more dramatic.

So we are not reading comments today from any potential sons of the other gun crew who were killed. You are lucky to be here, assuming you were born after the war.

Tony Browne That would make you 79 years old?

I'm right with you!

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The irony is Monty fought and prevailed against the fascists and yet another type of fascist is now choking England to death.

were finished with lockdown but i did the same it will keep you sane plus educate ourselfs way more.this is a great channel

try watching the bbc colditz series from the 70s its very addictive and a bunch of great actors

@Chess Warrior You should check out a ww2 series called battlefield if you liked this

Me too man

Me to brother

Me Too 🔥💯

Lol me too ! I watch them all the time. Husband gets annoyed lol

Seems that nobody wants to know that. Doesn´t fit into the allies hero tales.

Easy to do if you have the cheat codes...

@@rickcastellon9090 maybe you forgot we’re discussing a real war here , not a game.. men die , for real. No such thing as "cheating" in warfare .. what you are referring to is called "intelligence" I believe.

@John Cornell 👍🏻

@John Cornell was it ever an even fight?

@John Cornell At Alam el Halfa Monty had Ultra intelligence warning him of what Rommel would do. Also, Rommel had to fall back after running out of supplies. Monty then did not exploit the victory, but instead wait to build up forces again (his MO). They did not take Tobruk in 41, but did in 42.

How so?

I agreed with you Field Marshal Servin Romel is Giniuus

It's honestly very nice to see despite you will wear to veterans finding out that even the opposing sides Russian veterans German veterans Canadian veterans British veterans and excetera instead of arguing about the past are coming together and sharing your stories despite coming from opposing sides , good luck to you all and may you all find peace in your domain

@@djraythefurry0420 becausw there are no opposing sides on the field, just random people went to fight and die for politicians who are on opposing sides.. ive heard from my grandparents a lot of stories where enemy soldiers were helping each 9ther in the trenches, a guy carrying water to a enemy soldier in the night, when this exact soldier hit him in the stomach during the day. War sounds too ugly, and when u start to grow more mature and to value life, it looks twice as gruesome...

So what! Always fighting in other peoples land, why not die in wyoming you evil people

Correct

@John Cornell He didn't have to understand them, he had them, courtesy of the US.

@John Cornell The 8th army was almost exclusively supplied with American fuel and tanks.

@John Cornell It would be terrible if the history of the war was entirely written by Americans. Thank you for your information. I know that Canada supplied Britain with vast amounts of food arms and ammunitions as did the other Commonwealth countries. Johnny Come Lately could not have won the war singlehandedly.

@@mistermax3034 'The 8th army was almost exclusively supplied with American fuel and tanks.' Err... no. 8th Army fuel came from the Middle East. At the time of Alamein, half of thtanks were US built, and half of that half were bought and paid for.

N some Greeks or lunettics ...lol

The Ozzies were known as the Rats of Tobruk. The 7th Armoured Division was a division of the British Army known as the Desert Rats.

@@nickdanger3802Only after the the Aussies made the name "rats" famous. The 7th had a mascot that looked like a rat called a "cherob" whatever that is, so they didn't earn it.

@@malreid749 the British 7th armoured division was in North Africa before the Australians arrived .. it was formed there in 1938 ..the original Western desert force consisted of the 7th armoured division and the 4th Indian division

Cheers mate, thanks for the shout out.

My great grandfather was a troop for the 4th Indian division in this battle, respect for your uncle too

Kudos to the India's, they impress., and they are a future force to be recognized with. july, 2022.

Huge respect for your grandfather and his comrades of panzerkorps Afrika. Thanks for kicking the British in the balls.

@@kaycey7361 who won twice in the end 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿

@@whiteenglishknight9861 lost the empire.

The show can be that way this was early episodes i believe

You are absolutely right!

The music is an absolute disgrace. Why interview these men if the makers intended to treat them with this contempt?

Plus the annoying sound effects.

I always put on CC just because of that.

@Hoa Tattis Eisenhower's greatest skill was getting the best out of both of them .

Love that. One of my favorite of Winnie's. ;)

What is missing is the use of radio traffic from the US diplomatic core in Cairo, open signals,giving British plans away, these were picked up by Rommel's radio trackers and passed on to him , When this was discovered by the British and stopped,, Rommel lost his advantage.

@Gerry Hagen Bradley failed to close the Falaise Gap, as he later admitted: "In halting Patton at Argentan, however, I did not consult Montgomery. The decision to stop Patton was mine alone. I much preferred a solid shoulder at Argentan to the possibility of a broken neck at Falaise". From Bradley's A Soldier's Story book. Page 377

@Hoa Tattis better read up on your history a bit more

Exactly. I try explaining that to people when I came back after each tour I did over there but they just don’t get it. They think its all Gung ho John Wayne style and while I never hesitated to “end” some enemy who was trying to do the same to me and my mates, it wasn’t like we were jumping for joy and celebrating defeating the enemy. Usually we were dead tired and weary from killing so we tended to be more somber than anything else. It’s never a good thing when you have to take the life of another human being. Something that changed in me after spending long periods of time in war: I’m now against the death penalty except in super extreme cases and I’m also against abortion. They’re both killing and one is the murder of the only truly innocent person in the world. Neither is necessary, there are other ways of dealing with stuff. Why do humans always think that killing is the answer to everything. Anyway sorry for the long comment lol if you have made it this far may the Lord bless you and keep you and may your children never see what I’ve seen. Cheers mates

Non ci sono paragoni tra i due a parita di uomini e di mezzi con cerchil ne faceva uno spuntino grazie agli amici americani ti piace vincere facile ma non tanto facile

They both were WW1 vets well versed in tactics

@@jamesk5541 non capisco in inglese

@@angelocarone8905 probablemente no deberías saber nada, es el idioma más hablado del mundo, pero dije que ambos eran veteranos de guerra muy versados en tácticas

@@angelocarone8905 ho scritto la mia precedente dichiarazione in spagnolo e mi sono reso conto che era la lingua degli spaghetti. Se sei europeo dovresti imparare l'inglese a scuola

He did not defeat Rommel in 1940 in France.

@@nickdanger3802 Yea right ho, so Montgomery commanded a single division in France, in an army that made up less than 20% of the allied strength. How was he supposed to arrange the battle so the two went head to head? Bradley's subordinate commander, Patton did not defeat Rommel. They never even met in battle.

@@nickdanger3802 The British actually threw back a German counter attack at Arras.

@@thevillaaston7811 However neither was Rommel in charge in France

But the British had greater problems. All the way down the Atlantic, round Cape Town and up the Indian Ocean. The Axis only had to get there's across a relatively small stretch of Mediterranean. It took six weeks for a division or regiment to get from Britain to Egypt.

@@lyndoncmp5751 Yeah. My Great-Granddad George was in the Royal Navy and sailed as part of a convoy escort in the Pacific and Burma.

Also it could take two months and a long journey by ship for personnel to be transported to Port Tewfik

Yet it lasted for years

Sir Keith Park - the man responsible for winning the Battle of Britain saved Malta. It took him only two weeks to clear the skies. Prior to that Malta was being bombed to bits.

You fail to mention both the Royal Navy and the merchant Navy of many countries in that battle, also RAF

Wall to wall rubbish. Montgomery made his own luck by re-organising and re-invigorating Eighth Army, and resisting political pressure to attack before everything was in place.

"Over the next six weeks Montgomery began to stockpile vast quantities of weapons and ammunition to make sure that by the time he attacked he possessed overwhelming firepower. By the middle of October the Eighth Army totalled 195,000 men, 1,351 tanks and 1,900 pieces of artillery. This included large numbers of recently delivered Sherman M4 and Grant M3 tanks." www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/bernard-law-montgomery

Bloody Market Garden was a joint enterprise with the Americans planning the airborne ops which went wrong. Too many idiots believe Hollywood rather than history.

Great post Ray and you're right. -Monty didn't build up the arms/men/tanks/materiel - the allies did. -Auchinlech brought over the 2 fresh divisions from the Nile Delta after winning 1st alamain. -Dorman -Smith had the troops/engineers line the massive mine field in front of the ridge at Alam Halfa. -ULTRA was in place and functioning in Aug'42. -Conningham's RAF swept the skies clear of the Luffwaffe providing complete air superiority -Cunningham's RN cleaned out the Mediteranean of Wehrmacht supply ships -The USA sent over 300 Shermans and 100 - 105mm Howitzers -IKE landed troops in 3 different locations during Operation Torch,60,000 troops in Morocco, 15,000 in Tunisia, and 50,000 in Algeria. -Auchinleck just won at Alamein but fired him because he needed time to refit and resupply. So when Monty was brought in he took alsmost twice the time None of that was MOnty's doing but he erroneosly told the press he did it all,enraging all those who had been fighting much longer and did more than that poof -Then Monty repaid them by not grabbing air fields or opening any ports he was a fraud and lucky to be on the winning side

Of course Australian infantry, British tanks, artillery and air power.

Tank Parade At El Alamein (1942) British Pathe' ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-PLWojSd8IJU.html

Unfortunately this is an american documentary, honestly its a bloody miracle they even mentioned the british forces and didnt just make out that the americans won it (although i notice they did try) they probably havent even worked out that Australia exists yet and certainly wouldnt dream of giving them any credit (especially when they deserve it). we know better however, war wouldnt have been won without the Aussies, Kiwis, Canadians, Poles, Indians, etc etc etc

The 51st played a major role and stopped the Panzer advance

australian? they said it was english vs germans

Even the British Mk.1 had some sloping armour and that was developed in 1916.

War never tells you who was right only who's left.

Duhh

@Hoa Tattis That was said by the British vet.

What we needed at the U S Capital 88

@Gerry Hagen The New M1A3 i round can go through 6 home with ease

@Gerry Hagen The 17 pounder was probably the best anti tank gun by the Western allies and it had really good penetration. It could even penetrate the frontal armor of a Tiger 1, but so could the 76mm gun (albeit at only 800m).

The question remains....Who bent over first? Liking Irish humor :>)

50mm Kwk 39 those.

Uhhhhh these are reposted greatest tank battles series

"agaist the Germans" when most of the Rommel troops were Italian

Patton knew how smart Rommel was he read his books

@@beedee9534 - LOL that was the line from the Patton movie.

@@danielmocsny5066 Duh yeah

Bradleys? Those are Shermans lol. ...Although if I look at pictures of an M2 Bradley and a Sherman, I can see some similarities. Similar weight too. And yes, people give no real credit to how *good* the Sherman actually was when it first appeared. It completely outmatched everything the Germans had at the time.

The German who was in trenches called them Bradleys and ive heard that misnomer before. I thought these were sometimes called Bradleys in wwii as a result, the actual Bradley being from 1981. Hmm

@@Ariana321 yes lots of Sherman comparisons are made in context of after Normandy where their great numbers made them effective. I didnt even know they were in Africa.

@@lostpony4885 They weren't ever called Bradley's. Omar Bradley was still serving as a General in WWII.

People love to cite Ultra as being the cause for victory and that it was the sole reason for Allied success in Africa, yet conveniently leave out the fact that Rommel was using that exact tactic: gathering intel.

70% of everything Monty fought with was made in the USA, guess where he got the food to feed his army?

absolute invention and utter garbage. God why ate some Americans so thick. Apart ftom a few Sherman tanks virtually all ewuipment madr in UK or Commonwealrh

@@terrysmith9362 do your home work.

@@miketrusky476 you do yours. I am sick and tired of hollywood historians. read Charles B McDonald re MG

And why didn't the British use smoke?

@@johnbeavin9170 because they did. And dust. And deception.

Even BEFORE the USA entered the war in December 1941, US Navy transport were transporting the British 18th Division from Halifax, Nova Scotia, initially designed for Basra, but later diverted to Singapore. Churchill wasn’t always correct as it happens?

Really?.. I thought that was Horrocks.

"It is admitted that American tanks played a great part in the Battle of Egypt. America has been in this war for only a year. Why is it that in that short time she has been able to produce a first-class tank like the General Sherman whereas Great Britain, after three years of war and several years of preparation before the war, has not been able to do so." below 245 Hansard DEBATE ON THE ADDRESS HC Deb 17 November 1942 page

@@nickdanger3802 Answering your own comment? ROTFL.

why not you and Burns thumbs up yourselves. Check out this stable of cyber psychos Giovanni Pierre joined 28 Sept 2013 John Peate joined 28 Sept 2013 John Burns joined 07 Nov 2013 John Cornell joined 13 Nov 2013 TheVilla Aston joined 20 Nov 2013

TheVilla Aston, Well somebody has to 😂.

Like you John Cornell you spineless hack

High ranks vs low ranks SBMM be like

Tz

What? A general who waits until he has built up a large superiority in men & material before beginning an offensive? Shameful! What was he thinking of?

@@dovetonsturdee7033 Well it worked but at a bloody cost, so very WW1, of him. He had alternatives: Do nothing, after all the only reason for the Germans to be in Africa was to deny the Suez Canal to Britain, do anphibious laning behind Rommel to name two.

Ray Whitehead Montgomery waited for a number of things including he completion of an extensive training programme for the troops.

@@raywhitehead730 The Suez Canal was more or less irrelevant to Britain in WW2, as convoys went round the Cape. The reason the Germans were actually in North Africa was to prop up the Italians after the catastrophe of Operation Compass. Just for information, in order to carry out an amphibious landing, it is useful to have access to landing craft, and there were virtually none in the Eastern Mediterranean at the time.

@John Cornell That is a good arguement ! But in the end not defensible

Yes in hindsight you'd like to have seen the M26 Pershing get into action sooner - say by D-Day, so the Allies could have faced the latest German tanks on even terms. But winning a war is about allocating resources. There's never enough to do everything. The Allies put a lot more into developing aircraft. This may be because America was into the air war from 1942 but didn't face a lot of German armor until after D-Day in the second half of 1944. America was busy fighting and destroying the Luftwaffe the whole way but only came to "appreciate" the advanced German tank designs relatively late. Even so, the Pershing and the M36 tank destroyer were upgunned enough to deal with most German tanks. Had the war gone on longer the Sherman might have gone the way of the P-40 Warhawk, relegated to second-line duty by the end of the war. But the Allies won the war so the overall strategy with all its tradeoffs seems to have worked. In particular, Allied air supremacy compensated for a lot of other deficiencies. When you have fighter-bombers roaming at will and able to destroy any German tank or fuel truck they can see, it matters less how good the German tanks are at 1:1 tank duels. We've had 76 years of hindsight to think about what happened in less than one year, from D-Day to the German surrender. But that was an incredibly short time. The Americans were also building jet aircraft to counter the German jets that began appearing in small numbers in the same short period. But the war ended before the P-80 Shooting Star saw action, so in the end it wasn't needed.

The British were building jet planes during the war not the Americans

Really?too bad they couldn't fight their way across the 30 mile channel. Where were these great inventions? why did the GIs have to sail 3,500 miles to do this. Why was Winston arranging for the USA to not only build but then ship planes,provisions,tanks,trucks,artillery,food,fuel,men,materiel if you had it all together - do tell

It might have been possible at the beginning, The biggest problem was they lacked the recourse

It is sad it takes such a situation for them to realise putting ones well being in the hands of an imaginary being is futile. In such a situation ones survival often came down to chancel

I have heard stories that some get closer to God.

God is not to blame for the stupidity of man. Also, these soldiers who lost their faith shouldn't they instead look at the forest instead of the tree? Didn't good prevail over evil in the end? Their sacrifice was not forgotten and they will always be remembered by all nations on earth.

I think it's sadder still that the Taliban still very much retains its faith in God. People who believe in imaginary gods can justify any evil, since faith means belief without evidence. Once people abandon evidence then anything goes!

@@stephenodell9688 Tolkein is an example of that albeit it was WW1

wasn't that the Pz 3 J1 tho? It has a shell that can pen 100mm of RHA at close range

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At Alam El Halfa Montgomery and the British were outnumbered: Corps (Eighth Army) 4 divisions Panzer Army Africa 6 divisions Rommel had 500 tanks, 200 being modern PZ IV Ausf F and long barreled PZ IUI, and 700 airplanes, while Monty had just arrived, had 450 tanks, 370 being outdated Matilda, Valentine and Crusader with the 2 pounder and 500 planes. Result? Complete British victory.

@@johnpeate4544 thanks for information...I know British leader used superiority in quantitative

Continued.... _It should also be emphasized that throughout its conquest of North Africa, Eight Army had to overcome problems not experienced by its predecessors. _*_It’s supply-line had to stretch further than ever before at the time of its victory at El Agheila, and even further still at the time of its final thrust to Tripoli. At Medenine also, Eighth Army’s supply-line was from from adequate, a fact which makes the admirable defensive preparations it carried out in an astonishingly short space of time all the more remarkable._* _In addition when Auchinleck had launched his attacks in July 1942, the enemy had had no opportunity to prepare adequate defences, while during CRUSADER he could outflank the defences altogether through the he open desert. For that matter Rommel had enjoyed the same advantage during his counter-offensive after CRUSADER and at Gazala._ *_By contrast when Eighth Army took the offensive at Alamein in October 1942, the Axis position could not be by-passed and was protected by half-a-million mines and all the hideous devices of the ‘Devil’s Garden’s’. At El Agheila it was possible to avoid the defences but only by crossing terrain worse than any that either Eighth Army or Panzerarmee Afrika had yet encountered. At Beurat the front could be outflanked without too much difficulty, but the going encountered later left even the tough, experienced New Zealanders ‘speechless’; while the Homs-Tarhuna escarpment was only mastered because Eighth Army moved too quickly for Rommel to offer adequate resistance resistance there. At Mareth, Eighth Army was opposed by long-prepared fixed defences, the only way round which led to a ‘bottleneck’ so dangerous that it was feared that an attack through it would be ‘a second Balaclava’. And finally in the Gabes Gap Eight Army faced a formidable natural barrier which it had to assault head-on…_* *_...The weather continued to be dreadful and, as Montgomery reports in El Alamein to the River Sangro, ‘for several days the desert became a quagmire and made operations impossible’. Furthermore, as Kesserling rather admiringly points out, ‘the British Eighth Army had marched halfway across North Africa - and over fifteen hundred miles - had spent the bad winter months on the move and in the desert, and had had to surmount difficulties of every kind”._*_ Nor did those difficulties cease one Tripoli was reached, for the enemy, as Captain Roskill states in his Official History of The War at sea, had _*_’managed to destroy the port facilities very thoroughly, and to block the entrance completely with six merchantmen’ that had been scuttled as well as with other other debris including ‘many barges filled with concrete’. Air raids and a violent storm did nothing to improve the situation_* *_...And lastly there was the permanent problem of supplies._*_ As Kesselring notes with some satisfaction, _*_’even a victorious army cannot keep up a pursuit of thousands of miles in one rush; the stronger the army the greater the difficulty of supply. Previous British pursuits had broken down for the same reason.’ Moreover the ‘piece of elastic’ was under still greater pressure than usual._* _Montgomery had learned from the errors not only of his predecessors but of his opponent. Whereas Rommel in his dash for the Nile had left his airmen straggling far behind, the Eighth Army Commander, who always believed in the vital necessity for co-operation with the Air Arm and indeed looked on it, sometimes to the airmen’s annoyance, as virtually another branch of his command like his engineers or his artillery, was insistent that the Desert Air Force should advance with him. That meant that at the start of the new campaign some 11,500 RAF and AA personnel had to be brought forward, together with the supplies needed for them and for their aircraft, particularly aviation fuel._ _So important did Montgomery consider this that he gave ‘his’ Air Force special priority. It was a wise choice, for the Axis Air Forces, now falling back on their own bases, were able to intervene once more. Fortunately their Allied opponents were ready for them. On 11 November, first day of the Cyrenaican campaign, the Kittyhawks of No. 2 Squadron SAAF attacked fifteen Stukas, and for the loss of two of their own machines, claimed eight destroyed and four ‘probables’, all of which it appears also went down. As a result of the supply problems, however, _*_Eighth Army, contrary to popular report, was not able to advance with overwhelming numbers._*_ The New Zealanders were forced to halt in the frontier area. Only 7th Armoured Division, which had now reclaimed 4th Light Armoured Brigade, was able to continue Eighth Army’s progress, and it was suffering from a number of shortages, not least of water.*Nonetheless Eighth Army never lost it’s momentum.”_* -Eighth Army's Greatest Victories: Alam Halfa to Tunis 1942-1943 by Adrian Turner Continued...

highlight the CC button or icon there u can see read the subtitles/closed captions(c)

Nah it’s buck music good thing it’s there

That ruse was used before D Day not North Africa

@@benwilson6145 however intelligence picked up by Bletchley Park was used to help the North Africa situation, I am sure?

@@paulinecabbed1271 The Nazi's had a steady stream of information from Fellers a US Army Major attached to the 8th Army as his messages were decrypted by the Italians after they stole the codes.

It wasn’t just one thing that enabled the Allies to win, or for just one thing that was the downfall of Germany and Italy, surely you can see that?

That English general was no where as good as they claim I think he was an idiot the English army would have lost is the Americans hadn’t stopped their supply lines the German army was running out of everything plus patten helped. If it wasn’t for America England would have lost the war early on. I don’t ever remember them saying thank you. They think they won we2 all by themselves

Respected by his enemies too.

@Hoa Tattis Surprising people still believe this lol.

Just like how Mr Burns from The Simpsons described him

@Hoa Tattis my grandfather was one of montys troops and that’s not how he told it 🤔 Not a story I’ve heard.

Thank goodness for those classical video subtitles. Although RU-vid's automatic subtitles feature struggles with some of the speakers' accents. In one instance a speaker mentions the German "eighty-eights" and it renders as "idiots".

There were a few up gunned PzIV's, Tigers had not arrived yet. Monty had over 200 M4's.

@@nickdanger3802 Bo, I meant the Panzerkampfwagen IV ausf.F2. (They were very close to Sherman M4 75mm)

@@fanwtn5124 37 Panzer IV Specials arrived in North Africa between July & October, 1942. There were 30 operational at the start of 2nd Alamein. The F2 probably had a slight edge over the Sherman, but in October 1942 the M4 was an excellent vehicle.

@@nickdanger3802 Sherman II*

@@Vincent98987 ?

Sherman, but I favor the german Panzer and successors (not all that great)/American tanks came up!

@@nickdanger3802 I wrote that, I'm English. The narrator said it in the video. He said the best known, not the most produced. Ask anyone to name a WW2 tank and they're probably going to say the Tiger

@@nickdanger3802 And the Russian made 55,000 T- 34's and 13,000 heavy tanks.

Sherman 75mm is not really “the most powerful” in the El alamein. That tank is pretty much comparable to Panzerkampfwagen IV Ausf.F2... And the most well-known tank from that era are T-34 series tanks, Tiger (Pz.VI) and Panzer (III, IV)

The Tiger was garbage what are you on about?

British Hurricane llD, armed with 2 x 40mm cannons took out a whole lot of german tanks and vehicles !!

The one thing Monty had that Rommel did not have that was the most important, Logistics. The Afrika Corps had trouble getting fuel supplies and Men thanks to the retention of Malta. After torch the air interdiction of supplies further impeded the Afrika Corps. If you look at the logistics issues that Rommel had compared to the luxurious amount of supplies getting to Monte and patton. It is easy to understand how Germany lost North Africa.

Nope, the shell has Explosive filler so everyone dies.

He was nothing of the sort he was a propped up fraud who won in the desert because of the allied supplied embarrassment of riches in men and materiel. The only time the odds were even Rommel drove Monty off of the continent and in to the channel. And Monty didn't come back across for 4 full years and that was with the GIs. Pull your nose out of Bernard's backside and try sticking it in a book - John Cornell. Not only O'Connor but Auchinleck both won before in the Desert. After Auchinleck & Dorman Smith won 1st Alamein Churchill wrongly removed General Auchinleck who argued that his men had not regrouped and needed reinforcing. Several military analysts accused Churchill of misunderstanding desert warfare tactics, saying he placed too much emphasis on territorial occupation. They needed 6 weeks to refit and resupply. So what does Monty do - took 10 weeks(Aug-13-Oct 23) to advance​ - *much more time than Auchileck and Dorman Smith insisted on and got fired for in the 1st place - real bright move. Almost any Commander was walking into assured victory* The British finally got their victory over a German Army and Monty was made a Hero when in truth it was a British /Allied victory. Montgomery had 1500 miles and every concievable advantage - BIG ADVANTAGES in men/materiel/air

Rommel was a great in the moment guy, great improvisation skills, Montgomery was the opposite he was great at drafting plans with the info at hand but bad at getting others to work together and follow said plans.

@@gidi3250 Blatantly untrue. Montgomery was an excellent man manager to those under him. He changed the moral and fighting quality of the 8th Army almost overnight. His predicted timelines for El Alamein and Normandy were spot on. He predicted Normandy to last about 3 months and he predicted El Alamein 12-14 days. He even correctly predicted the casualties for El Alamein. Montgomery was the most savvy commander on either side on the western front.

@@gidi3250 Monty was the exact opposite of what you claim. He deliberately moved his HQ close to Desert Air Force HQ to better consult and liaise with them. He got engineers, armoured & infantry training together for weeks to smoothly co-operate. He reorganised commands so that artillery was being directed at Corps level, which hadn't been done before he arrived. He listened to his subordinates, and believed what they told him. He was a master at organisation and coordination.

@@gidi3250 Rubbish he was one of the most popular leaders of all time with his troops