Jago -Yer’ done yerself proud. In the 1960s, my mania was to walk disused railways. About 1966, I went to the Isle of Dogs. What I saw was some rusty old track, run-down buildings and a sleepy guard dog (in the right location!) You mentioned the Ealing Studios film, “Passport to Pimlico.” This was filmed by Lionel Banes, who was a relation on my father’s side of the family. As a small boy in the late 1950s, I saw him a few times in East Finchley.
I was over in Chichester Way. Like you, long after the main event . . . Even in my day, the Pier Tavern changed dramatically, then disappeared, like the Cubitt Arms, and others . . .
My Dad used to live in Tooting in the 80s. He picked up a love of British-Caribbean music there and must be the only guy on his allotment banging along to Radio 1 Xtra ^^
An interesting tale ... just one correction. Council Tax was introduced in 1992 to replace the Community Charge aka Poll Tax, which was introduced in 1990 (1989 in Scotland). Prior to 1990 local taxation was the General Rates, which had been running since the Statute of Elizabeth in 1603 (originally as Poor Relief).
Prior to the Docklands Development Corporation (LDDC) the GLC aspirations for the area was to fill in the docks and build industrial and storage units, Imagine the havoc on the then road system this would have created. Many locals were resistant to the LDDC plans and the spirit of Johns was evident when LDDC staff in a single storey glass walled building were treated to the vision of the building being surrounded by local males who then performed a mass urination, wether this was worse that the cattle truck pulling up and a herd of sheep driven into the building I don’t know. I do know that my own time in Docklands was one of the happiest and most interesting of my career and working with teams of ex lighter men was “enlightening”
@@EllieMaes-Grandad I know, I spent a lot of time and energy trying to get the trade onto barged, and had a sustainable business case to bring the paper rolls in by barge from the Medway and Chatham and the printing works manager was supportive. Sadly a major supplier scuppered it by moving their depot up the east coast. The then owners of the Docks (British Waterways) were prepared to consider the acquisition of the necessary vessels to make it work.
@@simonwinter8839 yes but rates were better and younger people should be aware of that instead of assuming that the current model has always been the way.
I just added similar before i read any comments. Interesting about making wrong associations in the minds of the young. i'd argue each and every one of us has a reality window of 1095 day's so the amount of miss information spewed in terms of the young during the past 40years and skewed facts is phenomenal !!! i recently spent a day with a younger talking class warfare the 'facts' she had about 'fcthatcharse' was mixed up and time events in some daft time line that never existed ???
Fantastic! I had never heard of this before, and it's great that their efforts met with some success. Although it's likely Passport to Pimlico may have inspired them, it's a shame a film like that has already been made as the Secession of the Isle of Dogs would make for a good film (with comedy elements like the lack of a car to blow up).
Well, the Isle of Dogs might want to secede again, for totally different reasons - to keep Canary Wharf in the EU (but too late now). And we now know where Jago stands on Brexit - like the majority of Londoners, but not the rest of England - two very different worlds.
What possible reason could canary wharf have to stay in the EU? The finance industry has been *remarkably* unimpressed, globally, with the EU's behaviour last few years to the point the US fed is talking about economic sanctions.
Maybe not like the rest of England but very much like Scotland, which voted 62:38 remain with a remain majority in every one of the vote's 32 regions and is being dragged out of the EU against its will by a bunch of little Englanders.
@@Michael75579 Yes, London, Scotland and Northern Ireland voted differently to the majority of the UK. That's their view and that's democracy. I should perhaps have said "England and Wales" rather than just England.
@@katrinabryce but that's Euro risk not management of Euro accounts. It's still "there" just not there in the legal entities - the Fed in the US has repeatedly warned Europe if they mess with how this stuff operates they'll face economic sanctions, so it's all safe.
This was a funny story, yes. If you want to see a tragic story about a tiny republic, see the video of the Uzice Republic. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-l4y0HdOtGkA.html The Uzice Republic enraged Hitler...that never ends well.
Yikes, that footage was taken on a grim day!!! My wife used to live in that area in the 70's and remembers nothing of this and her dad was a docker too!!!!
Interesting but also a cautionary tale of be careful what you wish for as only been to the area once and once again for a party at the furthest end on the river and as the great philosophy Lemmy might have said about the housing “goes up like prices at Christmas.” In the end the little man was priced out.
Thanks for the video. I do remember this event but as it has been some time I had forgotten the details. So thanks for that. You have to wonder what would have happened but for those 'secret plans.' And do you think the anonymous bomber was going to buy Ted Johns a car then bow it up.
Why don't you review the old film " Passport to Pimlico", which was filmed in North Lambeth. You can see the old railway arches in the background of the film, where they found the get away van from the Great Train Robbers. Behind those railway arches is Archbishops Park and the Marine Institute, which would make an interesting video.
It would be nice if communities in trouble today could get away with gently absurdist stunts. I fear that if one was attempted, numerous individuals on both sides would take it far too seriously. I regret to say I would have some difficulty restraining myself; it's just so easy to get worked up these days.
@@jpaulc441 True. London has a temperate oceanic climate. No great temperate extremes, and no great rain totals, but it's very often overcast, cool and damp. NYC is situated in a transitional zone between humid continental climate and humid tropical climate. That means NYC experiences weather extremes. Summers can be very hot and humid, with thunder storms and the occasional hurricane in late summer. Winters can be very cold with temps often dropping below zero C with occasional blizzards.
This reminds me rather of the Conch Republic, a similar attempt by the Florida Keys to secede in response to the US setting up a border checkpoint on their only bridge to the mainland, thus cutting them off from the rest of the United States.
Very interesting as usual, may thanks! 👍🏼 Just one point the council tax arrived after the hated Poll Tax in the 1990's, before then property owners paid rates, which went to the local councils, but many people didn't pay rates, so it needed reform, well Thatcher thought so anyway?
The 'Isle of Dogs' is NOT an Island. As stated in other comments, there was no council tax in 1970 only rates which were paid by homeowners/landlords not tenants so I doubt if the residents of these council blocks were concerned with rates unless they were fortunate enough to own their home which most were not.
3:28 Most people on this street have fairly normal cars parked outside their houses... except the ones that for some reason own a Nissan Figaro and an X Type
It is my understanding that when King Henry VIII lived in Greenwich Palace on the other side of the river directly opposite the Isle of Dogs, he was constantly disturbed by the barking of his hunting dogs and had them moved across the river so he would not be disturbed by the noise, the place to which the dogs were sent becoming known as the Isle of Dogs.
Another fabulous insight, time moves on but the gentrification of another area shows again disrespect for another area of London that always had and still has true Londoners at its heart who in reality give so much to Londons heritage. Thanks again.
Not all of it. They left some of us behind on the South side of the Island, so we get to constantly fear the day the encroaching skyscrapers finally reach our homes and the council forces us to relocate despite us not having the money to do so. I love the convenience of Canary Wharf, but I hate its constant expansion with a passion. The fact that the surrounding area has been totally neglected in favour of the shiny glass buildings doesn't help either.
Rates were the thing back then, not to be confused with the 'bleep bleep' chai-all of fckthatch'ass poll tax, circa mid 1980's to 1990 just a solidarity thought, have you done any video's in regard to 'FareFight' and 'it's' 1st spawned; Can't Pay, Won't Pay (early 80's) following the 'lairds decision cheap fares were illegal ?
The World needs more 'Johns' and less 'Johnsons'.......just shows 'People Power' starts getting things done. Then Govts mess it up with Capitalism....but there's always hope. Nice video as ever
One problem with including a wee bit of politics in the video: you end up with a comments section full of ill-informed gibberish, as people use your channel to air their simplistic, media-hyped views on subjects they know hee-haw about. Oddly enough, I watched another of your videos a few minutes ago and the comments section was interesting, full of helpful, relevant conversation. It's your channel to do with exactly as you wish bnut, if I may make a suggestion: leave the politics out of the Tales from the Tube. Unfortunately, the railways are a political football themselves and the Underground is certainly no exception. It's hard to keep politics out of a railway channel, especially one with it's roots deeply embedded in the capital city, but from what I see on various YT channels, anything political just brings out the muppetry. Shame about the comments section, cos this was another interesting little gem, on a subject I know very little about.👌👍😁
Brexit is the best thing we ever did :) proved by the events of the past few days. As an ex islander (10 years), this video brings back all the memories of pushing my 2 babies around here and in Greenwich. That foot tunnel is might useful if not mighty dank! Thanks for the trip :)
@@jasonuk8333 The truth is in the eye of the beholder. My point was, are they necessaary. Does Jago want to risk offending people for a cheap political shot. Its his channel of course. Say what he wants. I was merely offering a thought. Fortunately Corbyn was defeated so we arent in a communist state and can therefore offer our thoughts on peoples youtube channels.
"There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside." _David Davis_ “The free trade agreement we will have to do should be one of the easiest in human history.” _Liam Fox_ “The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want.” _Michael Gove_ “There will continue to be free trade and access to the single market” "I'm in favour of the single market. I want us to be able to trade freely with our European friends and partners." "We would be inside the single market council, and able to shape legislation" _Boris Johnson_ “Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market.” _Daniel Hannan_ "Only a madman would actually leave the single market." _Owen Patterson_ “Not a single job would be lost because of Brexit.” _Lord Digby Jones_ "Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy - the UK holds most of the cards" _John Redwood_ ”We will maintain a free flowing border at Dover. We will not impose checks in the port. The only reason we would have queues at the border is if we put in place restrictions that created those queues. We are not going to do that.” _Chris Grayling_ “Britain will have access to the single market after we vote Leave.” “The idea that our trade will suffer... is silly.” "Farmers will be better off if we vote to leave the EU." “Let’s give our NHS the £350m the EU takes every week.” “we would immediately be able to start negotiating new trade deals with emerging economies and the world’s biggest economies which could enter into force immediately after the UK leaves the EU.” _Vote Leave_ "there will be broad sunlit uplands" _Jacob Rees-Mogg_ "We have a great new deal that is ready to go... we can get that deal through a new Parliament in days. It is oven ready. Let’s get Brexit done, and take this country forward." _Boris Johnson_ “If Brexit is a disaster, I will go and live abroad. I'll go and live somewhere else.” _Nigel Farage_
phmc123 lots of opinions but don’t dare to show name as picture. That’s a sure sign of a right winger and often racist and Brexiters. Always pussies and what do I find further down in the comments, a true facist comment. If you are way out on the right side everything is communism, for some even The Tory party is. You grandparents fought what you embrace, you should be ashamed of yourselves.
0:28 ‘the one he deliberately stoked...’ nothing like introducing tendency early - you have lost my interest already - that sense that this misjudgement in a small matter will necessarily condition your view in any matter. Here’s to a compact Britain making her individual way around the world again in mutually beneficial trades and adding to those - political alliances and cultural ties as well as conversing with old friends. So good not to have to see everything France and Germany’s way and suffer their perpetual derogade while they run our country down both verbally and physically. Good luck Europe - better luck Britain. You were pushed into this ill-suited fellowship by US policy requirements 50 years ago when you were still staggering from losses incurred in a recent almighty conflict - time now to move out up and onward and let the ‘wrong side of history’ take these bleating troglodytes into the dark backward and abysm of time. Better still I hope they develop a healthy and positive imagination outside a state of servitude.
@@JagoHazzard yeah, long comment for someone who voted to gut our nation, I wonder if he thinks Boris and his disaster capitalists are going to save the nation...
I am one of those that would love to see London complete the the Brexit bollocks to its conclusion as it voted overwhelmingly to remain in the EU, it is frequented by visiting EU persons and has a service industry maintained largely by EU members; lest we forget, we can get a tube (well a super tube if you will) from London to Paris and despite being on the front lines, as it were, we all celebrate the EU membership now and for always! REJOIN THE BLOC!!!!
@@EllieMaes-Grandad I can get a direct train from down the road to Paris, although I have neither gone or declined to visit, but I did previously appreciate how easy access to mainland Europe was before the decision to make it hard to access the UK's biggest market was dealt an even more paperwork that it hasn't been this difficult to trade with them since the 1920s... have a slow clap of congratulations to all those people who contributed to it.
@@dambrooks7578 You were trading with European partners in the 1920s? . . . . as if! Quit the b/s - support your country (if UK is your country). If it isn't, just go away . . .