Another thing that's funny to imagine is how Thor and Tony's encounter with Pierce in the lobby would have gone without future Tony and Scott to interfere with it. Sure looked like Pierce was going to take the Tesseract, but we know he didn't.
@@PenneySoundsWhile not in the movie itself, the comic about that week (I forget the name) had Natasha undercover at the university at the time of the attack...
@@Starsaber222 I wish it was, would have been a great use of Zola. Bonus points if they did some version of the robot from the comics, feel like they wasted him.
I remember when TWS came out and I was legitimately SHOOK how this humble, nerdy dude, who I figured was the replacement for Phil Coulson, ended up being nothing but a dirty HYDRA creep all along. My adrenaline was HIGH during the first viewing of that movie when we found out that Hydra has made up most of SHIELD all along and that you couldn't trust anyone- even characters you've met before. Even in The Avengers, there's that whole scene where Cap finds a bunch of Hydra weapons hanging around on the helicarrier. Cap was right to doubt Fury's oversight of SHIELD looking back on it.
7:07 When we realized that Sitwell is Hydra and the fact that he recruited two criminals into thinking that they are working for SHIELD when he is actually Hydra. Probably the most evil thing Sitwell has done.
There's another moment from Agents that I didn't include here because it happens after Sitwell died and didn't fit the structure of the video. Coulson exposes Garrett as being the Clairvoyant, and has a SHIELD tactical team surround him to take him into custody, and Garrett says to them: "Gentlemen, I know Agent Sitwell was in charge of filling your ranks, so at least a few of you know what to do in this situation." At which point some of the tactical team immediately kill the rest of the team. So it does seem that recruitment may have been part of Sitwell's job for Hydra.
Hydra in shows and movies: we work together, lethal and efficient Hydra in every video game ever: I'll totally ruin another Hydra unit's mission so I look better for the boss that will eventually casually kill me during conversation to show how badass they are
I mean, to be fair, fascistic minded people tend to be pretty near-sighted when it comes to thinking ahead. Their long term reasoning isnt that great, and they tend to focus on short term gains over long term returns... especially when it comes to looking good in front of the big guy. It's really all a bunch of sniveling, miserable twats who prey on ignorance and good-faith to take advantage of those around them. HYDRA is the ultimate culmination of the worst people on earth. It's really no surprise that they are that bull-headed and idiotic.
@@pyr1412I don’t know why he won’t bring Daisy back already. Secret Invasion was the perfect time to do it if he wanted to. Although considering how that show went I’m glad he didn’t.
At this point AoS is completely distinct from the main MCU, and explaining how we fit the absurd premise of the latter seasons in a pre-Engame MCU would ruin both. Most of all, daisy and stuff had a satisfying conclusion in season 5, and brining them back wouldn't add much to them, like in season 6 and 7. Honestly, AoS was too good for the MCU, so it's better forgotten by them
Am I the only one who is amazed at how good Marvel is at casting actors to play younger versions of their characters? I'm thinking of doing a video on it.
I have to say watching this back, when someone was like taking a bullet is more than Sidwell did and his clearance is a level 7, I got a lil suspicious. You don't get promoted without doing something crazy or kissing tuckus...
i mean...itcould still happen.......they are alive so its not hopless.......unlike seeing pietro and peter interact...but now mabe wade and peter will interact in secret wars mabe
It's so weird that a high-level super spy leaks out the biggest secret when he's only been kicked down a roof, they didn't even start torturing. If hydra members are such fragile they could've been exposed way earlier.
I remember back when, they created a whole timeline for Cap turning sides and an image of him saying Hail Hydra blew up the marvel side of the internet... everyone was freaking out, a war almost began due to it... then marvel does this... lmaoo - this was Marvel, what it's supposed to be.
So cap saying “hail hydra” to knowingly tryto work his way out of a difficult situation without violence to save the people from his universe whilst not actually being a hydra agent …. Is equivalent to cap throwing his friend off a jet to his death and saying “hail hydra” sincerely as he had his past rewritten which would factually make him a nazi when the creators of the characters were Jewish. Those are the same thing to you? You’re wondering why they got different reactions? It wasn’t like the line in the movie was poking fun at the comics with that stunt? You are so dense.
Strange and Thor also kept secrets from each other in Ragnarok that they both collected Infinity Stones and I would've liked to see them recall that, too
The algorithm doesn't predict who's gonna become a hero or get powers, it just predicts who would be willing to be loyal to Hydra. Stephen was pretty arrogant and egotistical before and so that's likely why he was on the list.
Yeah, he had an ego on him, but he wasn't so selfish as to do nothing during a fascist takeover. And he had a brain to match his ego, so magic or not, he would have opposed Hydra and could have posed a significant threat to them. One has to wonder what the high school valedictorian had up their sleeve though.
@@mastercharacter that's the problem it was fun when it should have been suspenseful and exciting. There's just something so wrong about them fighting but not fighting in an empty void.
@@aurahoneydew9607 In my opinion, Whedon ruined it when he introduced humor into every moment, even when some moments should just have been too heavy, even for superheroes. Yet we got characters cracking wiseass jokes while hundreds of civilian casualties or other superhero casualties occur. That's consistently been one of my biggest problems with the Marvel universe.
@@Brakdaytontbh Hydra being shield particularly in the way the much implemented wasn’t very good in the way that it essentially made the grey morality of shield and the government. As a lot of all the bad things done by shield went from they do bad things but they believe it’s for a good cause to they did it because they were secretly Nazis. Kinda like how the senator that was trying to get access to the iron man suit went from a comment on politicians to just being secret hidden Nazi no. 58.
Small thing I always wondered. Was the “Engine 1 is now in shutdown” voice Chris Evans? 😂 Also Coulson and Sitwell saying goodbye before he goes to the Lemurian Star has serious Anakin & Obi-Wan “goodbye old friend” vibes.
Comic Sitwell goes waaay back to the Nick Fury comics, actually. A loyal friend and brother-in-arms. He was "done dirty" by the MCU... and also eventually by the comics, too (killed by a brainwashed Black Widow and only occasionally brought back for a joke as a zombie)@@PenneySounds
I dunno how I missed that it was Sitwell that located Loki in Germany in 1st Avengers...seen that movie countless times, just freaking noticed that detail lol.
Ive always wondered why the MCU, rather thsn use full on movies to introduce new characters, didn't just make movies with storylines so that all the characters would have actual arcs like this
wow wow, that shot in Thor with Sitwell’s face reflected on the one way glass is a GREAT early hint that he’s two-faced and has a secret agenda never noticed that
4:22 Nick, my guy, why the hell did you not _immediately_ yank that arrow from whence it landed? You absolutely had time to remove it before it could actually plug in
What was so great about the character is that he was the one you least suspect would be in League such people. He came off as a bland yet capable and reliable bureaucrat, when is true allegiance a revealed its kind of shocking. This was back when the MCU was actually making an effort at good storytelling, what kind of cool is that when he appeared in winter soldier(my favorite installment, hands down) you don't know anything about unless you watch agents of shield, if there's perfect symmetry between the show despite no reference between them. When the Russo brothers were at the helm the MCU was it's peak. But kevin feige got jealous, threatened and overconfident, Ran them off along with all the other capable, and the rest history.
The MCU has produced a lot of great material lately. The only place they've failed is with this multiverse stuff where they keep bringing in Sony and Fox stuff, and doing things like introducing an alternate Mr. Fantastic before introducing the MCU version. They keep reducing their own characters down to merely being weird alternative versions, when they should have been the definitive versions. They've been putting cameos ahead of story. But I'd bet that's not what you were talking about. You were talking about the films and series they've done recently that were good but had women in them.
Holy crap, I completely forgot Sitwell and Hawkeye were in Thor. I thought they debuted in The Avengers. The Thor movies before Ragnarok really just aren't interesting enough for me to remember or rewatch.
Been re-watching Agents of SHIELD, and noticed that Chronicons gave Hydra the Incite list decades in the past, and they had the information from decades in the future, which means the Stephen Strange Easter Egg wasn’t just a name drop, it was one of many attempts to remove him prior to him becoming an Avenger.
@@malhaomalhoa7486 yeah i know It's just that making it canon feels like it'd drag AoS down to the MCUs level. Which is dumb as it wouldn't actually change the show and it's not like theyd ever actually do anything with it even if they did say it was canon
@PenneySounds OK, now I KNOW I missed some part(s) of that season, because I don't remember that. I also don't recognize him recruiting those two criminals...
I forgot how Marvel made a giant flying aircraft carrier, then made it somehow able to be completely sabotaged by an arrow that somehow hacks the entire system from a single, random, funky looking USB port.
The girl he was talking to became a general in the military. Another person in their class was none other than Baron von Strücker. I have a video on him.
It would have been so awesome when Cap said in Winter Soldier “Before we get started, does anyone want to get out?” Claire from the one-shot, says “I would like to get out” and appears behind him. 😂
I know a lot of people want AoS as cannon in the MCU, especially since that was how they seemed to sell is at first... but I'd happily let it go for a proper Victoria Hand as a replacement for Nick Fury. Especially after Secret Invasion. Still, good vid.
Totally unrelated. Just really good casting. Marvel has a history of it. Look at the younger versions of Thor and Loki, and of Killmonger, and Gamora. The resemblances are so good that you know at a glance what character you're looking at. Though in season 7, they showed a younger version of the character of John Garrett, whose actor had passed, and they did cast his actual son to play the younger version.
Thing is Dr Strange hadnt yet gone to kamar taj during winter soldier so there would be no reason he would be a threat to shield or hydra. Why were they keeping tabs on a surgeon?
@@alimfuzzy Because he's extremely intelligent and had a sense of right and wrong. Why were they keeping tabs on a high school valedictorian in Iowa city?
Either that, or Zola's algorithm just tracks people with alliterative names Bruce Banner Stephen Strange Peter Parker Bucky Barnes Matt Murdock Jessica Jones Kamala Khan Pepper Potts Wade Wilson Blackagar Boltigon Rocket Raccoon Sue Storm Reed Richards Scott Summers Warren Worthington Miles Morales Ava Ayala Richard Rider Silvija Sablinova
I've wanted to know that too. Looks like some kind of straight razor or cleaver-style folder, but all my attempts to find out the exact model have been just like the knife. Pointless.
The first clip is from season 5 of Agents of SHIELD, the episode "Rise and Shine". The rest is from Thor, the Consultant, The Avengers, Avengers: Endgame, Item 47, several clips from across season 1 of Agents of SHIELD, and Captain America: The Winter Soldier.
I disagree, most of the D+ shows have been excellent. The only real issue with them is they still feel like just really long movies, so they don't give that feeling of being grounded in a universe that AOS did. Back then it felt like the shows were the universe and the movies were these big special events that punctuated that universe. Most of the current shows still feel like big special events.
@@PenneySounds Take Falcon and the Winter Soldier. The show builds up on 2 ends, (1) Isaiah Bradley's confrontation with Sam and Sam's exploration of how the country treats POC, and a black man as Captain America, (2) U.S. Agents downhill breakdown both as a man and a symbol. Marvel, in the last episode, quickly just brushes all these conflicts aside. Same in Wandavision, the entire conflict of Wanda's breakdown is thrown out of the window for a standard CGI fight. The show goes on to say, through Monica, that somehow Wanda hasn't been in the wrong and the complete blame lies with SWORD. The entire build up of her mental state is ignored so that she comes out on top as the good guy of the show. Wandavision, Moon Knight, and even F&WS have penultimate episodes that do a great job of starting to address the cause and the issue, but then the last episode treats it like the answers to the crisis were given and it's punchy time. Arthur Harrow goes from a psychological villain (in the entire show) to a giant kaiju in the last episode.
