Not to mention the fact that AMD has been beating Intel while Intel has an R&D budget of $15+ billion while for the MAJORITY of the Ryzen era, AMD's R&D budget was less than $2 billion....quite literally, Intel had and has every financial advantage conceivable and AMD has still been cleaning their clock
My 14600K is stable as could be, overclocked, VID table never hits over 1.3v.... the unstable CPU's from intel seem to be fixed/ fixable for those who actually own them. People who don't actually own a 14th gen are just vibing off the hype from people like Nexus Gamers, Reddit, and every other techtuber out there. I am happy with every LGA 1700 chip I own. Furthermore as far as this video goes, there was a windows update after microcode 129 for the intel chips. Like there needs to be an update to windows for these new AMD chips. When new hardware comes out new software needs to be out to support said hardware.
Yeah I remember this crap with patches and the dual core opterons. Nothing has changed at all and MS is quickly becoming irrelevant. Their software stack is now replaced with other software.
@@jabezhane That's the reason they are trying to kill the Xbox brand. They already wanted to call it Microsoft Game Pass, not Xbox Game Pass. Also, the current Xbox CEO is a scapegoat. So they will kill it anyway since there is ZERO new in "All Brand New Xbox Consoles!".
@@AdamFJH You can pretty much game on Linux now, save for a few outliers. For me those are RDR2, Only Up, Xenia emulator, and maybe one or two others, can't remember.
Every windows above 7 is garbage. And they know it, that's why they are making software block for windows 7. A lot of newer software comes with software block for 7. I never saw it in 30 years, until 2018 you were still able to run windows 95 and windows XP with basically EVERY SOFTWARE. After 2020 they started the software blocks on windows 7, until 2022 you were still able to edit a single file and the software would run normally on windows 7, no crashes, bugs, nothing. But now they updated the malware they use to block windows 7, so it is basically impossible to make it work. And most up-to-date compilers will automatically block windows 7. Their newer OS are so garbage they need to block windows 7 to have a real number of users.
@@lucasljs1545 Yup I saw the writing on the wall when there was a cutoff date for windows 7 support on anything chromium based and sadly had to bid it farewell. Otherwise I still would've used it.
@@Erc294 it practicly do support all games just the anticheated one has weird kernel problems plus modding is not that bad only the skyrim and few other that has specific engine build has mod problems tbh. And if you have power of wolf inner will there are tutorials how to make skyrim works but i understand that its not conveniant cause some games are mods require to have good expierence hope more people would dedicate to make them bi for both systems like some mod creators on cyberpunk or gamedev have better support for makin mods for example minecraft practicly every mod works fine despite weird eyetracking bordless etc. Well have a nice day thought man
@@erixIsOffline the anti-cheats don't work on linux because the "anti-cheat" needs to basically HACK your computer, and Linux is too safe for that to happen. It is not that it doesn't work, it is that linux is too safe for it to work.
@@erixIsOfflineso it supports all games but doesnt run as well as windows.. nah ill give linux another 3yrs, switching to linux is clearly still an inconvenience atm (ignoring the part where you get used to linux upon switching)
Not a problem on linux. Windows has been doing stuff like this forever. Either intentionally or out of sheer incompetence. One of the big reasons I switched.
@@fico1557 for a lot of games, yeah. The only thing holding me back now is Xbox Game Pass and MS Office. Even Roblox is playable on Linux again via Sober.
With dropped support for any computer more than a few years old they're already setting up to drive people away in droves, they really are forcing people to switch.
I switched to Mac that the problem Why does M1 runs better than my old gaming Laptop in everything mostly ge72mvr pro that the laptop that is was out-beaten from January 2017 when is made macbook pro m1 16gb from from 2020 ( which i own for £699 ) - First ever Macbook i own No damage to the below it just keys being suck that only the shift key being ( Here my review ) - Old laptop first ge72mvr pro been used for 1 year - Can't much play 3D games without it overheating Fans are always on for nothing GPU always runs at 44c that all the time 256gb M.2 CPU 7th gen runs well GeForce GTX 1070 Unsure about is vram ( Overheats on 3D games even connecting to an Big screen that 1080p that would make it rise to 67c that sometime is even reaches 82c ( Watching 480p to 1080p ) will burn it gpu ( My new Macbook pro M1 2020 - maybe old but at least is meets my standards i can't do Minecraft or Sims 4 even on an laptop that was made for gamers by laptop by Apple can ) 16gb model - ( Runs fine for games is was mostly Sims 4 and Roblox even Minecraft they can drop much but not much as my laptop I never even hear the fines running ( YET ) My mind say ( Don't buy it is was 2nd handed ) my heart says ( Come on is £1000 off is price is was before ) - old but still useable for 2024 as you mostly steam Battery 8-9 hours even longer than 2 hours which my old laptop was able to keep connected to a plug all the time Changing lower on macbook at least is meets my needs an laptop taht don't dies every 1.7 hours needing me to plug it in which my new laptop don't even drain fast
AMD was working for years on zen5. And all this time, they were testing on a version of windows that nobody uses. So when real people started to use zen5 on a production windows, they got different result. Apparently, security features were disabled in this special windows and that is why you got that performance hit. Now, when AMD finally starts testing on normal windows, they can tell MS something is wrong. They can work together to fix it. And MS releases a fix. Or, AMD has been telling MS to fix the bug for 3 years. But they held off for Intel.
Their automated test process likely required the elevated permissions. To your point AMD failed by not testing as a typical user. It’s unlikely they used a special OS as that goes against best practice. I’m sure MS has probably known about the potential impact of this issue for years. MS likely disregarded that feedback without AMD backing it up.
@@davidroberts9099 It goes against best practice to test an approximation of what you want to test. What AMD was testing was something only AMD uses. That is why professionals test what they want to test. It is like using geekbench to show how good your cpu is for gaming or productivity. Most people know that is dumb. I find it difficult to believe that you believe: 1 testing in a mode that no user uses is reliable 2 testing without security that no user uses is reliable 3 that AMD knows more about benchmarking than professional benchmarkers 4 that MS wants windows to be used less in servers with AMD cpus (if you think you didn't claim this, you need a rethink) 5 that after the complete explanation of what likely happened, you still think AMD is in the right and MS is in the wrong
@@Ferdinand208 I think you misread me. I am a professional and familiar with testing for enterprise environments. I’ve been telling off dev’s from testing using admin accounts for decades. It’s a very old issue because it’s an easy way for low skill developers to solve problems. I work in InfoSec in particular. I’ve same had the argument about dev environments needing to match prod for just as long. Many would think AMD should know more about benchmarking. I’ll bet you that benchmarking websites routinely see visits from AMD, Nvidia and Intel. I used gamer tweaks to tune stock trading machines for financial companies. As for Microsoft I have decades of experience working with them commercially. I’ve seen them tank companies they don’t like too many times before. For example back in the Wintel days they were busted in court for doing this. As for what I claim, stick with what I write and not what you insinuate.
AMD: microsoft! wth? why do you suck with our cpus? MS: we were looking for your corporate christmas gift to us and couldn't find it. intel's was very generous...just sayin...
The official story is Spectre and Meltdown. Speculative Execution and Branch Prediction vulnerabilities were considered high risk and required mitigations which negatively impacts performance of CPUs. The local admin account seems to have a means of bypassing these mitigations, presumably because running as local admin and bypassing all UAC prompts is terribly insecure such that the mitigations are pointless. It is more likely that Intel caught the difference, while AMD running their systems as the local admin did not catch the difference until reviewers did.
Microcrap has been doing this forever. Remember how conveniently, they couldn't release Win XP 64 until Intel was ready yet ignored the already released AMD Athlon 64? Yeah, they are not called Wintel for nothing.
It's primarily because more people use Intel, so why wouldn't Microsoft spend more time optimizing for it? Since 71% of laptop CPUs are Intel and 64% of all computers are Intel. Intel doesn't really have anything to do with this it'll Microsoft since Microsoft knows more people use intel
@@user78405 "Windows 10 will reach end of support for updates on October 14, 2025. The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10."
It is. There are entire governememtal organisations and enterprises switching to it. And I mean for Linux Desktop, everywhere else Linux has been the winner for a long time now
@@kirby21-xz4rx You say that, but just a couple years ago it was only about 2%, since then, it has more than doubled, yeah, that is only about 4%. As more people use it, more people are going to recommend it.
Underrated comment i hate windows 11 and 10 was already bad but i think people dont care and would go as far as disabling manually each spyware there is after every update like isnt this a sissyphus than im donald trump
@@FrankBailey-mg9uo if you dont like linux dont use it, I dont like intel cpus but it doenst mean i cant appreciate the ARC/XE gpus for waht they are so i dont know stop being sad and get a beatiful girlfriend my guy
@@erixIsOfflineI rather that than install a f*cking virtual machine for simple *ss software... Also removing bloatware on win 11 is easy... just pick UK installation? Duh?
The lows are getting a nice improvement in most of the cases, which is, admittedly, more important than slight regression in average. Still, a clusterf*** of an update
Welcome to the gang, ignore stupid people that thinks they're gods and read a lot of forums, you can really daily drive linux easily, I'm daily driving around 8 years and still rocking!
@@Disturbed_faceI don't get whats wrong with reading forums, perhaps you can rephrase your question. The people reading forums are likely to help others or find help
WIntel used to be a thing and probably still is. Microsoft goes out of their way to optimize for Intel CPUs, like when they introduced hyperthreading in the P4 era and the latest P and E core architectures. However AMD is always an afterthought for some reason.
Remember Intel denying that Intel Compiler executable was slowing AMD chips but yet they tried to hunt down the enthusiasts who modified it to make Intel Compiler Patcher to bypass the performance crippling on AMD chips?
Check if VBS / Memory Integrity is enabled on 24H2. It was enabled on mine before I did the update and now its off (I didnt touch it) , that gives a performance increase on its own.
Remember how Microsoft would intentionally make software run slower in Windows so they could buy them out add them to Microsoft line up. So no it doesn't surprise me at all.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat it's like going to a Camping truck event where people bring their fourrunners and Ranger and jeep builds and someone gets their cyber truck stuck in a puddle
@@theunknownbeeza1632 ik what you mean my laptop that has 8gb it is win 10 has a month ago update that took 4.7 gb for no reasone and recently it got normal but god damn whole month i got less stable and stuttery computer XD
@@theunknownbeeza1632 How would that even be possible? Answer, it isn't - if it was, you'd be able to destroy memory just by running ordinary program code on the CPU, which would obviously be disastrous from a reliability/security standpoint. No, your stick was either already bad, and you simply happened to realize it now, or it was an accidental coincidence that it broke in conjunction with you installing this update.
@lennyvalentin6485 all I know is that... pc was working fine... got an update... after update pc started blue screening in-game and even just while browsing RU-vid... so troubleshooting narrowed it down to one dimm stick being faulty.
I mean look at what happened when 12th Gen first came out from Intel, they worked hand in hand with Microsoft and would even say Windows 11 runs best with Intel
World of Warcraft "feels" quite a lot choppier after the update on my 7990X3D. Don't have any actual performance numbers to give though, since so much depends not just on location but also number of nearby players, viewing angles etc etc. So, GG Blizz? :P
@@lennyvalentin6485 I don't think this is an AMD problem and its more of a blizzard problem. Ever since Dragonflight the game has ran way worse for me on intel as well. It seems to only be in any new zones. Any zones pre-dragonflight run buttery smooth, but in Valdrakken and parts of the ringing deeps I get frame dips galore.
@@Manicfuguestate Yes, I have seen the same in the new zones since DF, but even so, the dips (more like outright stuttering/hitches) "feel" much worse now, after the update. It's like, bad, stacked on top of more bad. :/
@@Manicfuguestate Hopefully Blizz can do something about it, it's not the CPU cores getting maxed out or anything like that. I've checked task manager, none of the cores are even close to bottlenecking when the FPS is tanking bigtime. It's really weird. Part of the FPS problem probably is because I had to turn off "advanced work submit" under graphics/compatibility settings, or the AMD Radeon driver would crash/reset A LOT. Several times an hour sometimes, it was making the game nearly unplayable at times. Even so, I still get the odd driver reset now and then. :P So the stuttering could be a GPU resource management issue (like textures getting flushed from GPU memory when they shouldn't, and then have to be re-copied etc) rather than being CPU-related, but then why would it get worse after the windows patch? *shrug* (If it ever actually did! lol Maybe it's just in my head - I don't actually have any framerate/framedrop statistics.) I will update the GPU driver to the latest public version soon and turn the "advanced work submit" option back on and see if anything's changed. Probably not! :D
Wow, I bet this is the tip of the iceberg. Companies paying MS to screw over the competition. And the fact that your card was like that after reinstalling drivers is scary!
@@Elvyne One of my first builds was AMD, great system. Gold bin CPU zero issues. New AMD GPU drives i have heard nothing but problems with them. Crashing inconsistencies and all around just poorly designed.
@@thespia9132 they do crash here and there...but the features and the overall package is topshelf now. it really does bring the whole driver package together better then nvidia does at the moment... if you have custom overclocks save the file...then when the drivers drop here and there just import the file. the 6000 and cheaper 7000 series gpu are a great buy.
@@thespia9132it's probably both from Microsoft and AMD, if AMD did their best but Microsoft ruined it, it would still be bad. Same as vice versa however this looks too odd since it happened when Intel is screwed
Well, funny enough my roommate is using an AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, and the updated version of 23H2 did make a difference in gaming performance in every game he plays for the most part. Thing is, the performance is already so good in the games he plays, he had to measure the differences before and after. He did get anywhere from 5-10% uplift in performance, and strangely enough, his actual Windows experience over all just seems snappier.
Rather than Microsoft favoring Intel over AMD it just looks like current programmers aren't as good as old programmers that worked on previous versions of Windows. What makes me think that is just look at how many serious security bugs have been found in the last like 2 years.
Running as administrator disables "Virtualisation Based Security", where windows tries to run everything in a VM, so that it can gain the same sandboxing ability Linux does via Containers.... as a result, of running in VBS, the code would be running in a VM, and not directly on the CPU, so low level CPU features/enhancements probably would be unable to function as well as expected. I'm kinda in awe that the Administrator account, the account that MOST needs security, disables the sandboxing... go figure.
Not necessarily on your last point. I would argue that users using such an account, well-hidden and with maximum privileges, (would) know what they are doing and does not benefit from the security provided by virtualisation. If an average user uses said account and they screwed something up, that's on them.
@@RusticKey I realise there are no recent stats, and those are hard to get, but it wasn't too long ago that it was let slip that the percentage of windows users who run as administrator all the time is quite high... so while I'd love to agree with you, I know it's a complex topic.
@@JamesLewis I understand. Most users would mindlessly run administrator because so many things require elevated permissions, but still the administrator account discussed here has a lot more privileges than a faux "administrator" account most users have.
@@Shahzad12357 best choice or a meh. The processors are still decent. And with mobo combo at micro center it’s $50 more then 7700x one. So not a massive loss of performance doesn’t change.
my guy those might not be the greatest for gaming but if you play a game where you as host share your world aka you hosting world of example garrys mod map or doing some workloads like editing video or blender these cpus are great especially cause they have more than 20procent up lift in those area and fact they are much cooler on avg than 7000 can be a great pc for low power usage i myself think to build server with one cause this prediction branch works much better on linux than on windows and some website that shares data benchmarks for data servers showed improvment over 7800x3d in data transfering as well as 43 (3 images more) than intel 14900K in generative AI
Homie, they're just bad. This isn't any Intel Arc situation, AMD just fucked up, they made better productivity CPUs, and marketed them as better for gaming than the previous gen. If they get better, then just buy one at that point. Don't waste your money hoping the value on these CPUs goes up, don't play stocks with your CPU purchase. Imagine someone said the same about 11th gen intel a few years ago, that they believe the performance is gonna go up. Your money, your decision, but I can assure you these chips' performance is gonna stay as is.
OK, so let me get this conspiracy theory right: Microsoft intentionally nerfed the new AMD CPUs so that they would perform worse, yet somehow, those same CPUs automagically barely had any performance gains over Ryzen 7...which did not somehow get the same nerf. Then, after AMD released a patch THAT THEY CODED and performance improves across the board (Ryzen 7 included), it's all Microsoft. Is my tinfoil hat tight enough? 🤔
@@pascaldifolco4611 Also, something that's conveniently ignored is that 242H also slightly improved Intel CPUs in some gaming instances. But I'm sure that was just "Microsoft" intentionally nerfing Intel CPUs as well and keeping some of that extra performance for a rainy day right?
i mean we talking about gaming, ryzens are more made for gaming so they should have much better performance that cpu versions of intels (because intel are more for work etc) But for some reason ryzen have problems with windows some win updates literally destroy amd performance But ryzen on linux don't have this problem 🙄
intel probably threatened microsoft . its not unheard of as during the athlon phenom and fx days intel threatened oems that they would raise shipping costs if they used amd cpus which is why back then so many oem pcs and laptops with amd parts were just worse quality
As 14 years user of AMD (Dec 1999-2014), and 10 years (2014-2024) user of Intel: There was a time when I thought Microsoft owned Intel, because everything was so much so integrated for Intel Here is always an issue that I see here, and that is very much a solution to a situation: You have AMD not being respected by Microsoft, because of close ties with Intel, unfortunate for AMD, but cool just accept it, you have couple of options as AMD: 1) Accept it 2) Find a better relationship with Microsoft to allow Microsoft to write your architecture into their operating systems 3) Make your own Operating System like Linux, but by AMD Yeah, sure, the implementation will be something of a mountain climb, but you can make an operating system favoring your CPU and you can do it in-house. The problem of course is that many game developers will not develop on your independent OS, but considering that AMD has been around since 1969, you could have made an OS by now, and have a system that favors you. Slowly others would accept your OS platform, but for what...for 25 years you realize that OS will never even have even playing field, well...that's on you for not putting in the effort. Operating system implementation is tough, and it took years for Linux to even play games properly, but it is too much of "programmer heaven" and not so much a "consumer heaven" I like Ubuntu, but not for my every day driver, because it requires a ton of knowledge in kernels, and interface is tough to master. OS needs to be easily accessible even by a 10-12 year old, and AMD can do it, and they should. Will they? Probably not.
Money. Money is the only key, I can give you an example: In Russia we have MCSt, company who manifactures processors on their unique architecture, and it really fires sometimes, but instead of helping developing really perspective things government really only wants to steal people's money and put them to the war. But when they got financial credit in 2016 they made a processor that was comparable with intel core 1st and 2nd gen, what they could possibly make if they had money of 1 month of the war.
It is called Wintel for a reason folks, they have been in bed together since the days of Win 3.x and there is plenty of posts from ex Intel coders saying they ended up doing a lot of Windows low level work for MSFT on behalf of Intel.
*HEY*!!! no fair, us Linux users don't need meds! mostly. sometimes :P but yeah, stuff like this is the reason i switched to Linux Mint, and i'm hella happy where i am awesome work Vex, this must have taken a ton of effort - good job. dunno about regressions, GPU drivers not being ready for the beta branch and core scheduling across dual CCDs on Zen 3 maybe? seems damn weird. i guess that's why it's a beta branch tho, not the main fork
Oh man, linux mint is so nice. It's the windows of the linux world. Everything works out of the box, and you rarely ever need to use the terminal. No dealing with corporate decisions like in windows either
@@anarchicnerd666you could use something like debian with xfce(low usage, good for some) or arch. If you don't like the installing process of arch, use archinstall... Just make sure not to tell any arch user.
People are forgetting, these improvements and regressions are also effectively BETA scope in their implementation. Microsoft only released the 23h2 update with so of the 24h2 changes, after all the hype and publicity. I'd argue both need a good few mobo (entire suite) chipset and 2-6 months ahead worth of gfx driver updates before we see less/eliminated regression, and also to give all the devs time to work with the changes, as it is we're effectively using software too new with some changes to how it'd utilizing hardware all around, without the other supporting eco system's software having caught up yet. Just my opinion. 24h2 runs nicely on my 7900xt/7700x - but I'd go as far as saying we have yet to see the culmination of it all, which may take more time.
Intel used to be and still is a major user (not only for regular consumers). Games developers don't care about AMD GPUs, either. All current games are made for Nvidia, so there is no need to update the GPU drives. AMD does the driver updates because they have 15% of the market. Arc GPUs do the updates because the games are published broken for Arc.
The 15th generation won't encounter the issues that the 13th and 14th generations had, as the most powerful CPU in the 15th generation, the Core Ultra 285KS, is expected to consume a maximum of only 200 watts. The problems experienced with the 13th and 14th generations were primarily due to Intel releasing only refreshed models with minor upgrades, which drew 400-500 watts, ultimately damaging the CPU. The A20 node is going to deliver a 20% improvement in performance per watt compared to the previous generation. This means the 15th generation could operate at 100 watts while outperforming a 14th generation CPU that requires 300 or 400 watts.
The term 'malware' was first coined in 1990, and it's been a growing threat ever since. With attacks becoming more sophisticated, network security has never been more critical.
I've noticed this as well. My 7 yo HP OMEN would open rar files way faster than my Lenovo Legion with AMD. Really strange when I have 2x the RAM and a way faster processor.
I can assure you what you experienced is not because Windows is privileging Intel. What you described doesn't depend on ram amount or processor speed, it's mostly storage speeds and size of the rar file. Don't use anecdotal evidence to draw conclusions
Lenovo Legion with AMD CPU and full-powered Nvidia GPU is unbeatable. There are a few barely faster laptops than Legion but each costs 150% and more. Zen 4 can't even reach full utilization on laptops.
Vex!! I know why! In order to download the preview build, you need to log into a Microsoft account, but doing so loads all Microsoft settings from all the years you've had the account! This is also why Hardware Unboxed had that "bad install", so AFTER the 24H2 update, LOG OUT of your Microsoft account and run the tests again, after doing this I got the huge increases we saw in Steve's video! Cheers
The "sus-iest" thing for me would be AMD testing in an elevated administrator account. 99% of home computer users use the regular "sorta admin" account. Suddenly for this CPU release, AMD decides to use elevated admin account on Windows? Why didn't they use it for Ryzen 7000 series? And if they knew that regular home users would have issues with the performance, why didn't they tell the general consumers earlier on? It's basic common sense?
Why would that be sus for amd :/ local admin accounts have been used for testing since xp. Them not using some other account that needs to elevate all the time is nothing weird for testing/reviewing.
Malice isn't likely. I think it's likely a big that was accidentally introduced when Microsoft rewrote big chunks of the scheduler for 12th gen. Big.LITTLE is a new thing for x86, and it had a rocky start. Intel knee-jerk disabled AVX512 in 12th gen most likely because the MS scheduler was unable to cope with different institution capabilities and they couldn't fix it in time. 12th gen is also asynchronous. The cores run at wildly different speeds. This is a big issue in some applications. Going back a long long time, but on my celeron 333/433@83fsb, red faction had some hilarious quirks due to the different speeds. Xp mostly resolved it, but it is still a potential issue when threads depend on each other and they run at different speeds. 12th gen is also a homogeneous chip. It is one cluster of cores sharing a ring bus. So MS went ahead and did a bunch of optimisation for Intel, who are only about 80% of the market, and probably accidentally deoptimised AMDs more classic northbridge(io die) + 2 sockets (chiplets) multicore architecture. It's also worth noting that the Intel compiler is popular and obviously optimised for Intel. AMD, due to their market share have probably needed to prod MS from time to time for AMD optimisations for decades. They'd be well aware of that, and apparently forgot to compare builds for regressions. Basically, I think it's most likely a programming accident rather than malice.
AND thats a good comment, nothing like "omg amd sucks is bad they dont know waht to do and cant even program a damn straight" actually wonder if somebody would have more logical explanation on topic not like windows by itself isnt kinda bad in my opinion but seeing it having problem to keep their market is nice to see some people trying to have genuine analyse of the topic rather than emotionally trying to gaslight others people into their believes
I would love to see a comparison between windows 11 and Linux based systems. I guess there could be a notable difference based on the compatibility layer. I mean, the performance hit could be directly on windows and not in linux.
Performance regression is wild, Windows is just making their platform worse Also take it or leave it, us linux users are getting better performance than windows, and as a pc gamer you should know that this is important above all else
Hey Vex, Hardware Unboxed talked about having a Bad install for 23H2 which you mentioned. I don't think anyone knows what causes it, but it looks like your testing got tainted with this so called "bad install" as your numbers look really funky for various games.
Win10 and especially Win10 LTSC (IoT for support until 2032) is less problematic and more stable than Win11, but Win11 LTSC tends to have slightly better gaming performance if you have relatively recent system parts. Its up to you which is preferable, but personally I would take a more stable OS with less telemetry "features" over one that has slightly better performance. Also, Win11 updates can change your system settings and even potentially BIOS settings without your consent. That's a big no-no for me.
@@savagej4y241 I upgraded from LTSC 21H2 to LTSC 24H2 recently by a clean install. My system has a Ryzen 5600, and I have not noticed a difference really, other than how they finally fixed how Windows handle multiple monitors with different refresh rates.
Hmmmm... Though, if the branch prediction algorithms for this update was supplied by amd, it seems a bit shady that the 5900x sees a regression in performance.
28:37 look at the footage, the GPU usage and wattage with the KB5041587 patch was significantly higher, and it looks like the textures that were loaded are significantly higher quality, may it be possible that datastreaming to the GPU is improved because of CPU improvements, and it's causing the GPU to have to work harder.
good point tbh nvidia has a overhead problem so maybe it will improve this things a bit, i personally dont use nvidia products but lack of tech like SAM on those graphics card is hurtfull for older gen cpus from amd from waht i saw in past
@@erixIsOfflineI could swear that the Nvidia 4080 has SAM, because SAM is just ReBAR and everyone has ReBAR now. Same way that RTX is just a fancy way of saying Ray Tracing, and everyone has Ray Tracing now. Right?
@@levygaming3133 SAM is rebar but rebar isn't SAM also arc doesnt have rebar so technicly you right but the way NVIDIA and AMD use those is different cause you can use SAM on 5000 series of Radeon which doenst support rebar from what i Heard unless i'm wrong
@@erixIsOffline arc doesn’t just have rebar, doesn’t it outright need rebar to even function? But yeah, I think I heard the number of games Nvidia actually takes advantage of ReBAR in is fairly small.
Why doesnt windows just make a "gaming" version, of it or smth, with less bloatware and some good settings for background programs, power plan etc.. I mean there is already so many tools to optimize windows , where you can acess many hidden options to configure many stuff that slow the system down etc.. I guess no1 really buys windows, so Microsoft doesnt feel like putting effort in it or smth ? Btw, for me the update gave 0% improvement in CS2 on R5 7600. So what now, we wait for system updates , for 10% fps on a specific game per update ? When is CS2 preformance update for zen4 coming out ? 🤣
i thinking there gonna be another edition after the pro and home....but i am pretty sure they gonna revamp the home edition that design only for gamers in mind while pro edition gonna be replace with workstation edition that shouldn't be called pro...the new home edition gonna have same unified kernel and hypervisor driver that share with xbox os..same code based that make it easier for game dev to make good ports from pc to xbox...
@@slimal1They hardly make any money from individuals willingly buying Windows now. They earn from laptop companies that preinstall windows with license into their models. They also earn a lot more from people that pirate their OS by selling their data. They make profits even if you pirate it.
@@slimal1 “They should make windows more affordable” ? Microsoft mostly hands windows out for free nowadays, how much more affordable can you get, mailing hundred dollar bills with free windows CDs? Pretty sure the last version of windows they charged money for was the upgrade from pre-Win-7 to Win-7.
True like i believe windows just doesnt give a damn and when amd was testing thiis cpus in administratior with makes sense from development sight i think windows probably was like UUU nice we will slap that into our spyware and will see waht happen like on linux 9000 was actually faster and you have perf penalty due to proton layer emulation yet you do have this improvement like its crazy especiallly since they were working from day one with all the features as they should and yet windows performs worse despise having much more work do to in background still loosing in games where proton barely was able to give good avg not talikng about 1procent... DAMN...
@@HanSolo__ They dont, with money. I work in the field, most ppl just do their tickets and that's it, agile does the rest. Once the employee loses his felt responsibility it becomes just a job. I guess they dont communicate because there are deciders and people making it too hard to take responsibility, even if it is paid for and wanted by the product owner. Literally watched projects being split up into completely disfunctional work groups and then being exorcised for multiple years when fewer people could have done it faster and with much better quality. It is not that many cooks ruin the soup as we say in germany, it is that you need the skill to manage that many cooks. In "The Art of War" it is written that the amount of men is not the decisive factor, how you split them up and coordinate really is.
This is as old as Windows XP and Athlon 64/P4, you can caulk it up to AMD dropping the ball on working with Windows. Keep in mind Intel still has a massively larger teams working on the same things AMD does, even after recent layoffs. Then if i remember right, Intel also maliciously "helped" Windows run worse for anything multi threaded that was not Intel on XP SP1 with Pentium 4 HT. Nvidia and Intel seem to have the same strategy's at times
They are not prioritizing anything. The issue is that AMD is not communicating with Microsoft when they implement new hardware systems in their processors. They think things will just work when they fiddle around with how the processors work without actually testing it out or understanding how the OS works.
On the biggest gains you can see the GPU running on higher voltage. I assume the room temperature was few degrees lower, so the GPU driver had some room to keep the voltage higher. You can even see on some tests GPU clock sits at 2760 on the right and 2745 on the left. On Avatar you can clearly see that on the right the voltage is lower and result is slower. You need to repeat these tests in controlled environment. Try setting the AC to 19C, leave it to cool the room and do the tests. Than heat the room to 25C and do the same. Also try with overclock profile, default settings on AMD CPUs are not ideal. My Ryzen 3600 does not hit 4.3GHz on default settings, at least no on all cores. With custom overclock profile it runs 4.3GHz stable on all cores. This explains why the results are not consistent across all games.
Do you even Remember the 7000 launch? "What the 5800x3d is just as fast as the 7700x. 7000 is botched and shit and stuff and meh" Now most people are recommending 7800x3d. What the hell. Wait for 9800x3d. How about that before jumping to premature conclusions? God society is really bad at this game.
@user-vs5ux6dc8o chill lmao, I'm not the one jumping to conclusions. 9000 series wasn't a terrible launch in my opinion. I was saying it's already not really attractive for most people because they're probably waiting for X3D parts, and the excitement only got stiffled more by underwhelming performance caused by Windows issues
@@DrathVader tbh most people who cares about gaming would buy x3d versions anyways and some who cares about workload would buy normal x variants the probelem is amd as every other hardware company lies a lot and people always says (and i mean literally not so long ago people were saying zen3 is better than zen4) last gen more value than new bullshit unleast amd gets that treatment and even if they would work greater than now people forgot how much better those baked cpus with old designs can uplift performance in some areas massivly bad we as humans tend to focuses to much on bad rather than point a true evil and appreciate those good. Just wanted to say that sorry for @ you, have a nice day :)
remember when windows 11 first launched? ryzen was doing significantly worse on 11 compared to 10 then too! there was another bug significantly affecting ryzen performance, but it was considered fixed years ago. ryzen having issues on 11 isn't a new thing, it's been there since the start.
Hello Vex, iam a software engineer that lets say has some good knowledge in this field. There is no major strategy of Microsoft in making AMD "slower", thinking this is a deliberate move from Microsoft is just an outright conspirancy theory. I know first hand that Microsoft is one of the most unloyal companies ever. They only care for whats best for them, they have absolutly no loyalty to a specific company. The big and major part people overlook is that Intel has a superb software department. When Gelsinger came to Intel this accelerated even more. You can imagine it this way: at AMD there are a few hundred software enginners struggeling with keeping up, delaying major overhauls each month because they are struggeling with the intermediate more visible stuff first. Intel has 20´000 software enginners currently employed. It is soooooo easy to work with them and they are so fast too. Intel is absolutly obliterating AMD in terms of software support.
AMD sponsored games are having regression because they probably already had them messed with, they always had weird better fps in those games, this probably happens in ghost of tsushima as well. Instead of working with microsoft it was easier to implement it in the game engine how to better use their cpus. AMD always trying to cut corners. Intel is just better even on 10nm tech, while amd on a expensive 4nm, intel is keeping up with a cheaper technology, I cant wait to see their new cpus.
Lmao Intel had to push temps and volts to just barely keep up with AMD and now they're at a point where their CPUs are oxidizing lmao. You Intel shills never cease to amaze me...
I swear, choosing the R7-5800X3D route over AM5 was one of the best decisions that I've ever made! Also choosing to stic with W10 instead of W11 has also panned out nicely!
