When Wing Chun Works It Looks Awesome 

Hey Jerry! Do you teach online?

@FightCommentary No, I used to help with class instruction at a couple of different schools when I had more time for it. Never online, though. I think Sifu Phu Ngo has excellent online instruction as far as that goes. I also still study with Sifu Mazza, was just at his class tonight, a lot of pad work, drills, and sparring. I needed more of that 10 years ago lol. One more thing, there should be footage of the 1st 2 rounds of that fight somewhere. I have a copy but I need to find it. I think I did better at the beginning but by the 3rd round I was exhausted.

Cool. If you do find the first two rounds, let me know. Do you still compete and test out your Wing Chun. Also, do you train in other arts too?

@FightCommentary Compete? No. I was already a little late getting into the fight game when I entered MUSU. I wish there were better competitions to enter when I was younger, but it was either some type of point sparring or the Lei Tai in Maryland. Some of my classmates entered them and did well. I never really liked the headgear and the how wild fighters would get. I'm pretty sure there were guys doing coke or meth then jumping in and just wildly swinging for the trees round punches (partially because of the limitations of the head gear), but I guess that's another story. I have always wanted my kung fu to work so during the time of those fights and after I have studied and or worked with to some degree BJJ, boxing, and Muay Thai. I wrestled for 2 years in high school. Also grew up getting into scraps, so even from a young age, I had some understanding of the reality of getting hit. It's upsetting to see the rep of kung fu because I fully believe it has the potential to display the very best of martial arts, but practitioners need to find ways to test it out, spar, and refine it under pressure. Kung fu has all the other tools, with the insane conditioning, the specific skill development, the meditation, and the techniques.

How long has that lei tai in Maryland been going around? People keep sending me videos from that event.

It is mostly for weapon fighting

@@youareacoward8459 I use the term "Wing Chun" for all denominations, lineages and styles, and yeah chi sao is great

Wouldn't say it's misunderstood, most people that can fight just know it's a useless art and waste of time when it comes to real defense

@@arnotschmitt8986 that's an oversimplification

@arnotschmitt8986 - Learn the form, then forget the form.

Thanks for sharing that! Very cool to know!

Yep that was Man Up Stand Up. My boy Novell(Black Taoist) is a huge advocate for pressure testing kung fu. Look up MUSU for more clips.

New Yorker here too. Where's this gym?

@@bydeuce that was filmed in Harlem.

Jerry I contacted your Facebook page 🙏

I can send some wing chun sparrings, I used some wc in my fights but I'm a jjj grappler mostly so usualy I go with grappling right away, but I have some cool sparring footage, ps. Speaking about the styles you havent covered much is Japanese Ju jitsu, I'm a jjj and wing chun guy so my mma is very unorthodox, maybe it'd be cool to show idk. 🤷‍♂️

​@@RichPTI think wing chun conceptualy is all about forward pressure so it's non existend if you go back, that being said that's why wc people need to spar and box a bit because if the forward pressure fails you need to know how to recover and move

There's a video of an American Wing Chun practitioner Shawn McGuire winning an open full contact martial arts competition which is very good. I think it is at the end of an Indianapolis Wing Chun video

yeah that trapping was super advanced

just proves that its not about the art its about the fighter

Judo is supposed to have striking in it! Same with Jiu Jitsu... They were obviously all around when used for real... Sorry if I am just stating the obvious...

Glad you like them!

The key is Chum Kiu (crossing bridge) to bridge into mid-range combat training. Many schools are learning that.

Yes 😁

Very cool! You have any wing chun clips? If so, please share!

They will be coming. When? Idk but they will be coming

Keep me posted. My email is in the about section. I check FB once in a while too.

Also, Yuen Kay San was the real person that the Ip Man movie based the first movie's events on. So make sure to do some research on Yuen Kay San.

That's right! I would love to feature some Taekkyon, but like you said, it's hard to find good footage.

Main weapons of Wing Chun is finger jabs to the eyes, punches or finger jabs to the throat and groin kicks. It is fair to say that a lot of what you see about Wing Chun does not align with original intent which was brutal self defense... Same with most martial arts styles. Most gyms teach for sport or fitness or aesthetics... Not as many people want to train in a more serious way and every teacher will tech a bit different from his teachers... Styles morph... If you want something that works in real situations, then you have to find teachers that teach in realistic ways.

Instructions are also important.

Yep. I love your phrase "unintentional philosophy." I think Wing Chun suffers the most from that. Another unintentional philosophy is the not caring about where you're looking. It has to do with certain drills they do that are supposed to practice sensitivity, but then the wing chunner actually looks away from the action during some of those drills. Boy is that a bad habit. When pressured, you'll react based on the moves you've done the most. So if you're constantly looking away, then when pressure, your natural reflex response is going to be emphasized. I love this phrase "unintentional philosophy."

The chain punches in Wing Chun are a legitimate technique exclusively to be used at short range, but the principles and concepts behind the movement are more important than the technique itself. The concept of a knockout: In Wing Chun, we mostly aim for the head to cause a knockout, but we'd rather rely on two or three quick consecutive punches to do the job than with a single blow. The first punch moves the brain inside the fluid to the side of the skull, the second makes sure the brain crashes into the skull, causing the knockout. The more time there is between the strikes, the greater the chances the brain will recover. The concept of the continuation of attack: Every punch is thrown with intent, but if it gets blocked, you must clear the obstruction or change the line of attack. The concept of occupying the centerline: Two objects cannot exist in the same space at the same time. In close distance, a Wing Chun punch does not get retracted all the way back; instead, another punch replaces it. This is so you keep enough space between you and your opponent to attack with punches. The concept of the centerline does hold up in practice but is not applicable to the context of combat sports or sparring due to differences in range between self-defense and sparring. I don't know why everyone thinks Wing Chun is all about blasting in with chain punches from miles away, but really this is against Wing Chun principles. Realistically, the centerline theory is not an absolute truth. Although a straight line might be a shorter distance than a curve, that does not mean you will always be faster. However, if you are in close, you will most likely beat your opponent to the punch, applying centerline theory. There's a misconception that Wing Chun cannot deal with hooks, which exists just because of bad practitioners on the internet.

@@florisvanlingen Yes but chain punches are not unique to wing chun. The "one-two" (jab to cross) in boxing, kickboxing, and muay Thai is also a chain punch especially when thrown as a blast. The difference is that the boxer will not put total faith that merely occupying the centerline is enough defense because the opponent can beat you on the centerline with speed, or strength or both. The boxer is trained to keep their chin low, and shoulders high for protection (yes I know we see many boxers violate this practice). This is totally violated in many wing chun styles -- the worst culprit bring Leung Ting's wing tsun who advocates putting your chin up to get more reach. Another problem with wing chun's chain or straight blast compared to boxing and kickboxing is that it relies far too much on arm power with little to no shoulder rotation or hip rotation which helps produce power (There are other ways including the "drop step" as explained in Jack Dempsey's book "Championship Fighting"). Coincidentally, Dempsey's power jab is very wing chun like in its description in that the fist is thrown square and not rotated, and in a non telegraphed straight trajectory striking with the last three knuckles. The difference is that it adds shoulder rotation and a drop step. Now this might not matter if you are 220 lbs and fighting someone who is 150 lbs but it is relevant if you are a much smaller fighter. Wing chun has often been described as an ideal art for smaller people like women. But I have yet to see a small, female wing chun practitioner be able to generate the same power with chain punches as females learning boxing, or kickboxing who use a combination of stepping and shoulder and hip rotation. Power = mass x velocity I know there are wing chun styles who have addressed this limitation so I'm not blanketing all wing chun lineages . A lot of wing chun theory does make sense but theory only works when "all things being equal" which is hardly the case in something so unpredictable and dynamic as combat.

The stance leaves you open at range, it's needed close to open the gap. chi. should never be up like that regardless. The biggest weakness is lack being taught how to close or develop range ime

I believe that Qi La La comes from the Wong Shun Leung Lineage.

Which one is that?

@@FightCommentary I'll send you the video

Thanks! @@clanterminaition3257 If it's that French Karate Bushido channel, they don't respect fair use. But hopefully it's a different video!

@@FightCommentary oh yeah it was Karate bushido but did you watch Division vs soamoan Beast

On streetbeefs

YOu are really saying you didn't see either of the fighters throwing kicks? really?

@@hungsingkwoonusa650 Read my statement carefully again.

@@ChariotOfFaith what did you think i mistook about your statement here? "I don't see them doing many elbow strikes or piercing, side slashes or kicks. " the last word was kicks. and i saw kicks. how did you miss them?

@@hungsingkwoonusa650 Did you pay attention to the word ‘many’ it means I didn’t see them do many. Implies they did *some* kicks. Not none.

@@hungsingkwoonusa650 P.S although in Wing Chun typically that aren’t that many different kick variations you can do because they are mainly low kicks and a side kick. To be flexible you can do a high kick to the head, or spin kick or sweep kick but that would be incorporating a different style of Kung Fu.

Could be! The guy actually took on a Karateka that was twice his size too. But that match isn't complete. I'll cover that one soon if I can find the complete one. I'm reaching out to the guy to see if I can get in touch.

Yep

Talking about Kudo, someone just sent me a russian channel and knows the owner. So definitely more Kudo to come!

Jujitsu is Japanese. That's why jujitsu from Brazil is called "Brazilian" juistu. It's like hip hop. You don't call hip hop in America "american hip hop". Or call salsa from Puerto Rico "Puerto Rican salsa"

@@FightCommentary ​I forgot one.. Semi Contact Kickboxing, thats were Raymond Daniels and Michael Venom Page comes from. Im tired of people saying they do Karate, the Machida brothers do Karate, is different. Wonderboy Thompson doesn't come from Karate neither The chisao and trapping comes from Praying Mantis

@@nephiilim Yeah but in these days it's needed to specified because everybody thinks you mean the Brazilian school.. even in Japan 😄

Tell me more!

@@FightCommentary .. you gotta see this channel kuro-obi world. Tamotsu Miyahara likes to exchange his skills against a black belt in karate and JKD. He's also a master at breaking bones and pressure points 😅.... Godbless from Malaysia .

usually the one losing...sigh....

@@youareacoward8459 sarcasm. joke being the youtube wing chu guys are usually not trained to fight

mauy thai doesn't beat everyone

That would be a great video. Do you know if there's ever been a way to fuse Rugby with some other sport? I wonder and I'll take a look!

@@FightCommentary I wonder the other way around:If a number of Rugby players take judo or wrestling lessons. I don't know much about it, as a German I am more knowledgeable about Football, but I find Rugby fascinating and very manly. I see it as kind of team combat sport, similar to what happens in some Spanish or Italian towns annually. In the end, YOU are more of an expert then I, most likely.

THAT would be epic!!

What's Gemmy?

@@FightCommentary Soyjak manneirisms. Never learn about them...

Thanks for bringing me into this new world!

Yep. A lot of things about fighting make wing chun techniques moot. That's why it's so hard to see clean wing chun ever when pressure tested against non-wing-chun ;)

​@@FightCommentaryno fight has "cleam" techniques man. It's always a mess. The trapping though isn't usually done properly, from what I've seen on youtube

Yes, that's another one that I need to follow up on. Just been so overloaded with interviews, but Peter will definitely happen. I'll put it on my to-do list.

@@FightCommentary Awesome, big fan of the channel

that's all applied wing chun, man

Not really. They still get beat up, but I like finding gems.

THERE'S ALWAYS ONE OF THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE IN THE COMMENTS. THEY SWEAR ONLY THEY KNOW WHAT IS WING CHUN, BLA BLA BLA....NO ONE ELSE KNOWS BUT THEM. YET PEOPLE FROM THE ACTUAL SYSTEM CAN TELL YOU WHERE THE WING CHUN IS. IT'S NOT THEIR FAULT YOU CAN'T SEE IT.

When you win you will be told that I didn't see Wing Chun or Kung Fu. but when you lose it will be called kung fu or wing chun. just like Xu Xiaodong when he beat Lei Lei, the age and size alone were different. Xu Xiaodong was bigger and young, even Lei Lei couldn't fight at all. I didn't see Tai Chi or Kung Fu when Lei Lei competed. He couldn't even kick straight and his movements were stiff. but people think lei lei is the master and the fight is valid. that's ridiculous. and when someone wins they will say I didn't see any kung fu there, that's very funny. people with double standards