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I don't think it's a bad bargain, with FF he made more money he could spend in his lifetime. After FF he can go the Robert Pattinson route of doing indie stuff outside his circle, for nothing or little money, or even produce his own stuff. I don't think it's over for him, it only is if he insists in going for hard men doing hard stuff type films.
"And yes, before you ask - this is, unequivocally, a story about family" *loud applause, women cheering, "ladies and gentlemen: we got him", Chuck Norris endorcing smile*
@JordonBeal the author of the comment did in fact probably mean "endorsing". The context was that of a "Chuck Norris endorsing smile". Hope that helps!
I'd love it if Vinny had a later resurgence like Sandler has. Apparently, the next FF is the last, so maybe he'd be more open to stuff like this again.
he's been TRYING to do other stuff, last i heard. if i remember correctly, he REALLY wanted to play Hannibal Barca for many years. but hey, let's not grieve for what is apparently one of hte biggest D&D geeks in Hollywood getting to live the dream.
His best acting was in 'A Man Apart' but 'Find Me Guilty,' 'Knockaround Guys' and 'Boiler Room' are all great showcases for how Diesel could've made a great actor if he'd chosen to go that route instead of becoming a movie star.
Wut? How is being in any of those movies, not also being a movie star?!? Also, Boiler Room came out the same year as Pitch Black and Knockaround Guys came out in 2001, after Fast and the Furious so he was already a "movie star"...the other movies came out well after that.
Man, that was maybe the most wonderful performance he's ever had. Now he's just a muscled bruiser caricature these days, but the man has depth and above all else earnestness.
Sadly that's a problem with a lot of good actors where they find a role there good at and then stop trying and play that one role for the rest of their lives.
@@sabbathjackalit's what gets them the big-money roles. I blame the majority of movie goers who keeps paying for stupid shit like the fast and the furious franchise. actors like Vin Diesel are just making business decisions where they would make more money. Not everyone is a Daniel-Day Lewis type who values the quality of the work over the $$$$$$$
Even the muscle bruiser can have depth though. His FF character is cardboard compared to say... Riddick. Riddick was an infinitely more interesting character that followed the basic muscle bruiser stereotype. So clearly even there he can put a lot of depth into his character
This was so heartwarming. You really brought out the love for movie making that Diesel has, a love he developed by reading Lumet’s book and then demonstrated while working for him. What a story. And, incidentally, it’s a good movie! What more could I ask for? Thanks as always for the work you do. These little insights make me a better filmgoer.
I remember watching this movie ages ago on DVD and was so pleasantly surprised by how solid it was. It endeared me to Vin to this day, no matter how many weird movies he makes 😂
Genuinely one of the best parts of my weekends! I'm not really a huge movie watcher myself, but I do love seeing people point out layers and nuances that I wouldn't know to look for, so I love this channel. :)
"Before the devil knows you´re dead" is another good one Lumet did in his last years, actually his last two movies was theese two. After a long period of mediocre to bad films, he went out in a bang... just like he started.
I saw his indie film in one of my film classes. We giggled when we heard what we were watching, a few minutes, we sure were humbled. He really does have a lot of talent and I would really like to see him get more opportunities to shine. Maybe in his later years. Thanks for introducing to this movie, I am very interested in watching.
Danny Boyd, a man with such an incredible and unimaginable taste for wonderful filmmaking and storytelling that he's woven my appreciation for it as well as my ability to create. Thank you for inspiring me
I didn't realize I'm actually rather fond of Vin Diesel's acting until I recently re-watched the first couple F&F movies, and saw Perfect Dark for the first time. I thoroughly enjoyed all of them. It was refreshing to go back and watch some older, better quality cinema I had been sleeping on for years. I'll definitely be giving this a watch.
It is kind of sad because when this movie came out he had already been in XXX, The Fast and the Furious, and The Chronicles of Riddick, which showed off his action chops, but I feel like this caused him to get stuck in it and were his most successful movies at the time where he was the lead whereas Find Me Guilty failed at the box office, so he probably thought there was no way out. If he only fought back a bit and went for the occasional drama or comedy roles, we would be remembering him in a different light, as the guy who is good at acting but does action movies, shit who knows he might have had an Oscar nom if he went down this path. Kind of like Tom Cruise in a sense but not as prominent.
I’ve noticed the heavy focus on staging in cinematic videos. It’s definitely something that’s been forgotten about in modern films, especially since people can have infinite coverage. Back then using film stock there was only a limited amount of film that could be used so you had to be more creative and try and get everything done and said within single shots. We don’t need to do that anymore so things become very basic in terms of blocking and shooting, using close ups more etc. what I think the beauty is of this channel and Danny’s focus on staging and shooting is how effective the method really is and how we really should be bringing it back.
I honestly had no idea that Vin had this background of movies, nor that the movie "Find me Guilty" even existed. Thank you for bringing it to my attention, I will most definitely follow your recommendation and give it a watch!
dude was really good at the early parts of his careeer. definitely has charisma and a very distinct voice and presence. he was like henry cavill even, big buff dude who was a nerd at heart. wish he'd do small indie movies from time to time.
You know, thinking about it now, I do believe VD's...(lol) Diesel's vocal evolution is similar to Snake's evolution from MGS2 and MGS4. It's weird, cuz I never noticed. Not the same voice, but it's clear in the early days, and really gravelly in the later. 🤷♂️
I find this channel continuously interesting and thought provoking. Thanks, Danny, for the insight and for raising the awareness of some little-known gems.
The joy of meeting the people who inspired you and the passion for making the movie really does seep through to the audience in a hundred different ways, even if you can pin point each one. Feels like there's not a whole lot of movies like that anymore... Just can just feel that it was another money-grab.
I randomly came up on a copy of this movie on dvd about 20 or so years ago. Didn’t think I’d like it on first watch and fell in love. I think it’s one of his best roles
I've never seen this movie, but you know what blows me away, is scenes like 5:16. Look at the small imperfections in the carpeting. This film feels REAL, unlike many movies today.
I think it would be amazing if Vin Diesel showed how good of an actor he can be... maybe a non-typecasted side character with something interesting about them.
he's actually a side character in the first F&F, same with the very first "Riddick" film, Pitch Black, but somehow the sequels of these films ended up being about him and him alone
I don't imagine he's disappointed with how his career turned out, but I do wish we got to see a bit more of the talent he showed in his earlier performances. I really enjoyed Find Me Guilty, and pretty much all his early performances. They were fun, and his acting style felt more genuine and alive.
Find me Guilty caught me off guard, since I only saw Diesel in Saving Private Ryan and then it was all of them FF flicks. I think he's one of those actors, together with Adam Sandler, that know what the masses want and can produce cash cow movies, but sometimes, somehow can come out of the blue and prove that they can be so much more with some deep, great movies. Granted they generate a fraction of the cash cows, but they exist and they are joy to watch.
This is the best channel on RU-vid. Also i hope Vin has a career resurgence. Its just going to be hard when no matter what he acts in "family" memes will follow.
He's a natural, I knew it when I first saw Private Ryan, lots of potential to become a very, VERY good actor. I think he's incredibly underused. I mean he's still iconic with Riddick and Toretto anyway.
Never heard of it, but it looks awesome. Like one of those rarer 90's gems that a lot of folk haven't heard of but accidentally stumble onto someday...
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Man. You are amazing. Your videos are awesome. I hope all your dreams come true.
People mock Diesel, but I've always liked the guy. There's nothing wrong with being an action star after all. The F&F movies allow him to have fun and work with people he likes. He also has enough money to get movies like The Last Witch Hunter made that are good entertainment even without requiring good reviews. He may not be Sidney Poitier, but he's a good leading man who clearly takes pleasure in the process of making movies and telling stories.
i nevert considered this before but mutch like you my experience of this character mirros my experience of vin disel as an actor i instantly loved him and only grew to love him more
Very charming movie, easy watch, entertaining, and Vin is great in his role. The opening act is bizarre, but once the case starts, you could watch it for hours longer.
Deep down, Vincent Diesel is a damn good actor. But he had to make some sacrifices, he had to work on some mindless action movies. But he did it because... Wait for it... FAMILY! PS: But seriously, hopefully an indie director hires him for a dialogue and performance heavy, action-less movie. A little change could be good for him.
I always list Diesel in my top 5 favourite actors, often to the chuckles of those who only know his work in Fast & Furious. I've seen maybe 3 of those films. They're okay at what they're trying to be, generic bro flicks. There's a place for that. My Vin Diesel selection however is different. Started off with Chronicles of Riddick, went back to the start with Pitch Black, loved them both. It takes skill to play that role like that. You couldn't put just anyone in that role, certainly not from today's cohort of actors. Same for Iron Giant. I then went and checked out Multi-Facial, even tried to check out Strays. Moved onto Find Me Guilty. Was surprised by how much I loved it, but not by Diesel's ability. Then of course there's The Last Witch Hunter, a criminally underrated fantasy film of his. As a SFF fan, it's a treat. Do I wish Diesel had gone down more of a 'serious actor' route? Yes and no. I like his lack of pretension, because it's led to him making some of the best geeky SFF in existence and 'serious actors' don't often risk that. Consider Leo DiCaprio's 'no superhero movies' rule. I'm glad Diesel ain't like that. That said do I wish he got offered some of those Jake Gyllenhaal roles? Can I imagine him in Brothers having the breakdown Tobey Maguire's character does? Yes and it gives me chills. I guess what I really wish is that directors and Hollywood were less snobby. That they could see past Diesel's popular work and see the absolute jewel waiting to be cast before it's too late. Then again with the latest accusations who knows whether we'll see Diesel work again. A notion which breaks my heart as a film fan. Would be such a waste.
I love watching your analysis of different films/directors This is a great vid focusing not just on Lumet but on Vin Diesal who by most accounts, folks consider him an overrated actor.. But after watching this, I have more respect for his attempt at the craft.
There’s also that scene with Henry Fonda in Fail Safe where the camera pivots around him as he’s speaking to the Russian premier and his face is hidden behind his hand as he holds his head up. Good stuff. Love Lumet.
I like to think Vin just said, "I don't want to work this hard everytime I make a movie." So he reduced all his work and writing to a scowling bad-ass because he had so much fun shooting Pitch Black and Reddick.
I can't tell what's a more distracting fun fact. That Vin Diesel and Linus Roache stared in both Find Me Guilty and The Chronicles of Riddick, or that The Chronicles of Riddick came out two years BEFORE Find Me Guilty.
The First movie i technically saw Vin Diesel in was SPR. And i did not even know it was him. I wasn't not properly introduced to Vin's work until Pitch Black. Then when i saw SPR again down the road i had a "Holy shit moment". Imo, i think his Riddick series is some of his actual best work, but i haven't seen "Find Me Guilty" or "Boiler Room". Looks like i got some more movie diving to do as a fan of Vin Diesel.
There was a TV show called The Ropes that I thoroughly enjoyed for what it was, Diesel did not star in it but he produced and co-wrote. It was sort of how Mark Wahlberg produced Entourage and made it slightly based on his start. I wish we got more seasons of The Ropes and Diesel should do more grounded projects.
I miss when actors like Vin or Dwayne Johnson actually had to try in their roles. Back then their characters needed charisma and took some licks but pulled through at the end, now they have in their contracts that they can't lose fights.
I'm not sure how many people know this story, but (at least, the way I heard it) Spielberg wanted Vin in Saving Private Ryan _because_ of Multifacial. To me, that's who Vin is. I haven't even seen most of the Fast and Furious movies. But before we decry Vin as a 'fallen actor' making schlock, we have to wonder...who among us would say 'no, I'm an artist and I'm going to stay that way' when faced with hundreds of millions of dollars' income from the cheesy action movies? That's not just a life-changing amount of money, it probably changes his family's life for generations.
Maybe when he physically can't do action movies anymore, we'll get "Boiler Room" / "Find Me Guilty" Vin back. I mean, from his performances alone, I really don't get the feeling he's even having fun playing Dom since Paul Walker's been gone.
I don't think it's too late for Vin to turn his hand to some dramatic parts. He's established enough of a name that he could probably convince some directors to take a risk on him in a dramatic part if and when he wants to do one. I hope we get to see that.
He is a good actor who tried to do a lot of different roles , but Hollywood had another plan for him , they wouldn't offer him what he wanted , you're an active guy so you gonna do what we tell you to do , when he release that he played ball and accepted what was offered to him . Another of really good actor were in the same situation, some of them refused to play ball and when forgotten and out work
