Where Will The Bakerloo Extension Go To? 

It is great to see Geoff on a Londonist video again.

'The next station is Burgess Park, Exit here for Burgess park.'

I agree Burgess Park would be a great name - before parkrun I didn't even realise it even existed. Definitely one of my favourites too.

Nice to see Geoff back on Londonist! It’s boring without him! Also, I’ve seen Burgess Park mentioned as the name for one of the 2 tube stations with undecided names on TfL plans, so I reckon they’ll use that

That will be a great thing to see, much better service for south London.

I'm gonna take my Tube to the Old Kent Road I'm gonna ride 'til I can't no more

Always good for tourism to put monopoly places onto the tube map. Who wouldn't want to "go back to Old Kent Road", do not pass a cashpoint, do not withdraw £200

Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.

I'm in favor of Tesco's, Toys R Us, New New Cross Gate, and Matalan Stations.

I think that South London needs more TfL connections. The Bakerloo Line to Hayes would be great but I would also like the Victoria Line to extend to Crystal Palace via Dulwich and for the London Overground to take over some of the Southern and Thameslink routes (e.g. the Sutton & Wimbledon loop).

They've gone very quiet about this extension lately.. I hope it doesn't get dropped again, but I fear it will.

Finally a proper Londonist video with Geoff

Shoppers: How many shops do you want to demolish on the extension?!? TfL: Yes

That’s the one good thing about the New York Subway, usually no need to buy up properties and knock them down for the station buildings, just cut a few holes in the sidewalk for the staircases/escalators and at least one elevator (lift) since the actual stationhouse where you can buy tickets and swipe (tap is coming soon) is all underground. I do understand that in London the sidewalks are narrower so having a staircase taking over 90% of the walking space would be rather silly, but we also do have some stairways that sit just inside of a building (the MTA will buy a small part of a building for this... the 2nd Avenue subway also has ventilation buildings that do take over real estate nearby, but that’s not new. There is a strange looking townhouse in downtown Brooklyn where the windows are blacked out, because it’s an old vent and emergency exit for the 4 train. Today that building would be worth millions of dollars, but it’s original to the first parts of the IRT entering Brooklyn from the city.

A stop at Burgess park would be marvellous.

Little fact: If the Bakerloo line got extended to Hayes, it would become the most southernly line on the tube as Hayes lies further south than Morden.

I really do love this guy. He’s a total train/ tube geek and makes you feel like you’re a bit of a train/ tube geek!

Love to see your videos, Geoff. Also exciting to see London investing in infrastructure, something we've given up on in the U.S. as we sink slowly into disrepair.

Bakerloo all the way to Elmer's End!? I'll never take the 🚎🚎🚎 again!!! 😆

Another fascinating and well-researched video, Geoff. Thanks.

1:02 - Is there a more depressing sight than the E&C shopping centre? It really is a toilet.

It's up to us to make sure they call it Burgess Park.

Hi Geoff. Always top railway information 👍🏻

I had no idea about the proposed Baker loo line extension. Please keep your excellent videos coming.

I haven't been down Old Kent Road or to New Cross for about ten years - and yet I recognise so much from this video...

Excellent report. Thanks

Great job of siting new stations Geoff.

Great video. I'm excited to see the Bakerloo line extension as soon as possible (if only it will be built)

Fame! Back on the channel - glad to see the team reunited.

So excited to see Geoff!

love your style matey

As someone who lives in Bromley, im excited! 🙌🏻🙌🏻🙌🏻

I just looked on wikipedia, and i love that the proposal now says burgess park for the station name!

Southeastern is a mess down to hayes it’d be great to have it to there

Thanks for the video Geoff have you ever considered making a video about the disused railways in south east London there was loads in the woolwich arsenal and Greenwich peninsula

Many years ago, I saw a diagram of an extension to the Bakerloo that went south-eastwards that included a station at BRICKLAYERS ARMS, with a view to connecting onto the line going to Peckham Rye.

"Burgess Park... Old Kent Road... New Cross Gate...MORNINGTON CRESCENT!!"

As someone who formerly lived on Burgess Rd., Burgess Park is a great name!

Great video. ☺️

Cool! Great to see the underground in southeast.

2:43 that feels like a geoff video

In Washington DC, everyone LOVED a METRO stop with a big grocery nearby. Groceries are hard to find in big cities!

I lived near Elephant & Castle for 2 years at University and never knew Burgess Park existed. They should definitely name a new station after it to make it more visible.

As of August,5th 2021 Elephant & Castle station is Bakerloo line terminus for *115 Y E A R S*

watch this be their most viewed video in a while. Purely because of Geoff!

Yay, Geoff's back!

I remember going to the Sainsbury's in New Cross and it said there were plans to extend the station and Sainsbury's will have to relocate and they had a suggested alternative by Sainsbury's. The Sainsburys in New Cross and the Underground station we're built on the land previously owned by the national rail station. Like with many train stations they sold part of their land to a supermarket and retail park because the railways no longer had to store coal at every station and cargo was handled by lorries instead of the railways so many train stations had part of their land sold to retail parks and supermarkets.

As someone who lived 'under' Burgess Park, at 94 Neate Street, I concur with the station name!! and yes, my surname is Burgess

Looking forward to that...!

Thanks for a very informative and accurate video. Just a couple of thoughts. First, you don’t mention the possibility of a station at the Bricklayers Arms roundabout, where the OKR actually starts. There’s been an active campaign for this. The gap between Elephant & Castle and OKR 1 is in fact unusually long - a problem which is masked by the inaccurate placing of Elephant and Castle on the TfL illustrative map (it should be further west). Second, on naming, I agree that Burgess Park would be an excellent choice for OKR 1. But Old Kent Road is unhelpful as a name for OKR 2, given that the road is so long (shades of Edgware Rd...). I wonder about North Peckham as a name - the location is very close to the former North Peckham Civic Centre on the corner of Peckham Park Rd. It sports a beautiful ceramic mural about the Old Kent Road’s history.

None of this would interest me unless it was put together in a nice youtube video - thankyou

Gonna take my train down the Old Kent Road, I'm gonna ride it 'til I can't no more :P

They should extend the Baker loo line to Istanbul so that Harrow can be the beginning of the Orient Express.

This is exciting!

Hayes evoked wild memories !

Great video

The earliest it will open will be 2030 but it will be delayed due to engineering works

Yes Geoff back this show needs Geoff

YES! A Geoff Londonist vid!

Excellent

I think they should extend the Bakerloo Line back to Watford Junction

lol I love the voiceover at the end

Ah yeah, I remember watching a route learning video of those tunnels not too long ago (that Soi Buakhao posted), I was thinking of the extension! Some time ago they had a questionnaire about the extension but I haven't seen much until now. I see they have another consultation opening on the 14th...

Ther is a saying that National Rail want to give Hayes Line entirely to Bakerloo, which means Bakerloo can take over existing National Rail platforms for Hayes Line at New Cross Gate and Lewisham entirely, if they want to cut costs.

Whatever next, the Central line extended back to Ongar, lol? Nice investigative work, Geoff

Ah man dont call Toys R Us old that makes me feel old xD Interesting vid as always tho Geoff ^-^

It’s somewhat weird seeing you in my area

Agreed. Burgess Park (looks very pleasant) and Old Kent Road.

I do like how he names these new stations.

I vote for Albany Road Station. Anything with the word "Burgess" brings back troubling memories and here in sunny Perth, Western Australia, I live near the Albany Highway.

When you said 2030 for completion, I was glad because I had this glimmer of an idea to do Tube Challenge in 2021. Not to get the record though just to do it

You should do the DLR extension to Dagenham Docks. Stopping at Beckton riverside ( Newham ) , Creekmouth ( Barking and Dagenham) , Barking Riverside ( Barking and Dagenham) ,Goresbrook ( Barking and Dagenham) and Dagenham Docks (Barking and Dagenham.) Please.

Apparently according to TfL the existing route from just south east of Lambeth North run down St George's Road through the middle of Elephant and Castle station at a new combined station (closure of the two existing entrances) then along New Kent Road. Meaning the existing Bakerloo line route from Lambeth North to Elephant Castle Route via St George's Circus will close.

I live by Stonebridge Park station and work very near to where the 'Old Kent Road' station could be. This would be absolutely perfect!

Tube in south east London!? 😱

Yaaaay Geoff in my borough !

Hey, I'm a sucker for future transport projects, and I love this idea despite that I don't live in London nor the UK. But as someone that some years ago had to take that line daily for a week, here's a wild thought: Why they don't just focus in buying some decent trains that aren't rotten as those that are still running today? Nothing fancy like what TfL had in mind years ago and never ordered, just some new decent trains. I can't believe that in six years time they progressed so much with Crossrail but haven't been able to buy some trains, they had plenty of time. This is not like those regional lines that have Pacers (where I live we have a similar problem) but one of the most important subway lines. I can imagine the frustration that daily Bakerloo commuters must feel.

My favourite line

love it

Brilliant

But that’s leaving Dulwich extremely badly served for connectivity.... you either have the hell of buses to Lewisham, Brixton or Oval or overground trains from East Dulwich or Forest Hill.... again buses. That’s Brixton right over to New X Gate with no easy underground link. I think Camberwell linking Kings College Hospital to the centre would be the most beneficial to the area. That balances 1/3 Peckham within 12 minutes walking, plus the large estates around plus the bus routes which are hell in rush hour.

Your Rode mic seemed to give better sound than the radio mic you have here - no worries - great video regardless!

With no rail links at present between New Cross Gate and Lewisham, a Bakerloo Line station covering this would certainly be something for locals to look forward to. Many will probably appreciate being able to change between different networks much more easily.

1:40 On the topic of Monopoly and the London Underground, you can get a tube Monopoly set with all the properties being tube stations and their colours even correspond to tube lines that serve them

I understand that OKR and Peckham Park Road is under consideration for a tube stop though it is fairly close to Burgess Park.

Intresting video, a thought, obviously as explained far from certain what may transpire in the future, but suppose that the Bakerloo Line did actually expand to the maximum possible as described, would it then perhaps not be possible for a 'Tube Challenge' as the whole system could not be covered during one days service. Off course possiblly there could be more all night services by then, so might still be possible if starting in the very early hours?

Though with crossrail delays and all of that surely it would be the same with the bakerloo construction due to new tunnels?

1:10 yeah im gonna take a walk down the old kent road......

Watford with a potention branch to Euston or a troughbranch from euston to watford If from the north end

I was expecting the extension to go through Camberwell and Dulwich and end at Crystal Palace. It seems like that is a neglected area of London for tube transport.

This will be good for South East London 👍

Another name that they could call Old Kent Road 2 would be Brimmington Park as the park itself is a short walk down the road. It's also quite a nice park but smaller (and probably much quieter) than Burgess Park. So if tfl call it Brimmington Park I reckon it would attract some tourists to the area as they'll see not one but TWO park stations next to each other. They could also stick down a station at St. John's while they're at it but I doubt if they will as the national rail station is fairly underused despite being next to Lewisham.

Let's be honest, Bromley NEEDS a tube station, it's taking the pressure off trams and national rail, and plenty of people would use it - much more useful in a sense than some of the Bucks and Herts stations.

That would be the best ideal route for the bakerloo line running via Kent road it's shame it was not built years ago would of been very handy.

Bromley will have tube stations in Bromley, in the stations beyond New Beckenham.

I just came across this video and thought it was a new one until I saw the petrol prices!!!

The station on the Toys R Us should be named with a toy reference, Hornby maybe?

I think that the intention is for the Bakerloo Line to take the entire Hayes Line with no more National Rail trains to Hayes. Also it is hoped that the Branch to Becenham Junction could be extended to Bromley North and take over the line to Grove Park.

Okay. Is anyone else seeing at the generated captions the Bacon Line?:))

I think the view count proves Geoff is easily the most popular Londonist contributor/host/personality.