Which Audeze for the Studio? 

I have this headphone and while it is great it does get uncomfortable. Especially when it's hot.

exactly very easy to listen no need to think just understand

im a geithain guy i love my speakers but since i have my ndh20s with canopener i just use the speakers 4 a short review the headphone thing is serious up ur game folks u wont regret it go headphone im a audio N#ZI and not easy to please man this h🤠dphone bass and room depth ..and no one gets anoyed

what if I dont buy them separate Amp for now ? Is it still helping my mix process?

@@ikamy yes. although improving your signal chain will help. i can hear a difference between plugging the lcdx in a 9 year old rme babyface (or a maschine mk3) and through my curret signal chain. the lcd sound very good through the hp out of the interfaces, but imaging, fullness, and detail are so much better through a nicer signal chain. My signal chain predates my lcdx, so my baseline is with all that stuff.

@@donwells8465 Thank you very helpful

Don, do you get a rather harsh response from LCDX when used with RNHP? Coming out of my Apollo twin x via XLR into the RNHP I get that harshness passing 7k...it kills my ears after 10 mins...

I use them in my studio for tracking and sometimes for a bit of mixing. They are phenomenal. They blow away any other closed back I have tried. I was surprised he overlooked them.

Mobius are surprisingly fairly good and detailed and well balanced in music mode considering they are closed back. However, they work best (and the only way you should use them for studio work) is via USB. Turn 3D on, headtracking off and dial the ambiance right down to 10 or so and the crossfeed is quite good... BUT They only work at 48K or 96K (without the waves NX) so you can’t do 44.1KHz sessions. :-( This is the dealbreaker for most people

@@ScanProAudioTV Thankyou very much for this feedback, if one wish to purchase a planar magnetic closed back headphones, any suggestion will be much appreciated, staying with the Mobius price range, hopefully. I am still holding on to my HD280 Pro and was intrigued by planar magnetic headphones, this lead to the audeze brand finally this video/channel, explaining Mobius/ Audeze products. Thankyou for the effort put into these videos, truly appreciate it.

iFi Zen Can or SPL Phonitor One would get the best out of them.

All four of those headphones are great (the HD800s rather than the HD800 anyway) in their own way. The X 2021 version LCD-X will probably be the easiest to get good mix translation with as its most like high end speakers, The MX4 has more detail in the mids (but is over double the price) The HEDDphone has an insane amount of detail for mastering, but is the heaviest while the HD800s is super lightweight, but doesn't have the transients of the heddphone.

Thomas Lcd-X is a bit more familiar and quick to get your head round for mixing. They are easy to drive from almost any interface. Heddphones have much more detail, but you really NEED crossfeed to get decent translation and for speed of mix positioning. They also need a very powerful amp, even if that is just an ifi zen can.

It will work out of a Montage, it’s sensitive enough, but there’s definitely a bit better quality to be had with a decent DAC / AMP . Something like the Topping DX3 pro would do extremely well for a modest expense.

Do use an amp between the lcd-x and audio interface ? If so how do you connect it ? My 4 outputs are taken up with the 4 monitors I have,cheers mate

Because they have more detail than almost every speaker.

dude, are you using separate pre amp? Im about to do the investment for LCD-X but probably cant get separate pre amp after, is it necessary? (my interface Audient ID22)

@@ikamy You probably have to invest in DAC to get the most out of LCD-X because id22 doesn't have good enough DAC for that headphone. Don't get me wrong, audient have great ADC but they lack in DAC department

@@ikamy Hi, I have an Audeze LCD-X and an Audient iD22 (which I only bought for mobil use). They don't work together at all!!! The headphone amp output impedance is too high for the 20 Ohm Audeze which results in a bad damping factor (headphone impedance/output impedance should be 8 or higher). So you definetetly need to buy an headphone amp with a lower output impedance for the Audeze. I have both, the SPL Phonitor 2 and Phonitor Mini which work great with the Audeze. As a DAC I currently use my Metric Halo ULN8 3D interface or an SMSL M500 DAC (which is really great for the money). The headphone output of the Metric Halo and the SMSL have also low impedance which works very well with the Audeze LCD-X. The SPL Phonitor brings in some additional smoothness which reduces ear fatigue and the crossfeed matrix which works like a hardware version of can opener. It is just night an day against the Audient iD22 headphone out which makes the Audeze LCD-X sound like an cheap, unbalanced and unenjoyable headphone. Also Audeze headphones might be easy to drive, you need to make sure you have an amp that works with this low headphone impedance - so also low amp output impedance and also enough power to control the membrane and make them sound the best.

@@alexmueller2000 Thank you so much!!!

X has a bit more detail than the clears, which are fairly close tonally to the LCD-2. LCD-X works well on Apollo X series units, but previous generations will benefit from a dedicated amp, something like if's zen can is a great option without spending 100's, and is amazing with a balanced output cable.

Kind of a V response curve, so not my favourite for mixing, lots of bass, forward treble, but remarkably easy to position hats. Personally, I’d save a bit more and go for the 2021 LCD-X

I'd say that it would be borderline for HEDDphone. The Rack Apollo X's have got 50% extra power compared to the desktop models. You might well notice it squeezing transients and saturating when writing, especially when layering sub bass & kick at a decent volume. The racks definitely have enough headroom, though even then, running a balanced output amp (like the iFi Zen Can or THX 789) with a special cable from a 4.4mm or a 4 pin XLR socket would get better results.

Theres plenty of headroom for LCD-X on the X4, no problems at all then.

@@ScanProAudioTV Thanks alot!!

The 4z have more detail, the MX4 is a bit more ‘speaker like’. If you want the most detail and neutrality, for for the 4z, want a more familiar balance for mixing, then go for the mx4. Most mastering engineers go for the 4 / 4z, most mix engineers go for lcd-x / mx4

@@ScanProAudioTV Sorry, I'm little late replying to this, but thank you for your reply. This really helps to clarify which ones we should get for professional uses. (:

We have the video with all the optimal eq and canopener settings for lcd-1 in edit now :-)

The UAD Arrow is more than adequate. Great interface.

Hi, I have an Audeze LCD-X and an Audient iD22 (which I only bought for mobil use). They don't work together at all!!! The headphone amp output impedance is too high for the 20 Ohm Audeze which results in a bad damping factor (headphone impedance/output impedance should be 8 or higher). So you definetetly need to buy an headphone amp with a lower output impedance for the Audeze. I have both, the SPL Phonitor 2 and Phonitor Mini which work great with the Audeze. As a DAC I currently use my Metric Halo ULN8 3D interface or an SMSL M500 DAC (which is really great for the money). The headphone output of the Metric Halo and the SMSL have also low impedance which works very well with the Audeze LCD-X. The SPL Phonitor brings in some additional smoothness which reduces ear fatigue and the crossfeed matrix which works like a hardware version of can opener. It is just night an day against the Audient iD22 headphone out which makes the Audeze LCD-X sound like an cheap, unbalanced and unenjoyable headphone. Also Audeze headphones might be easy to drive, you need to make sure you have an amp that works with this low headphone impedance - so also low amp output impedance and also enough power to control the membrane and make them sound the best.

The quality of the amp circuit on the antelopes are all very good, and if you mix up to 0dB, is probably loud enough for you, as there is some secret headroom left over at full gain. If you want more headroom / gain then Topping L50 or A90, Ifi Zen Can with balanced input / output cables, THX 887, spl phonitor one All without really breaking the bank.

Metric Halo ULN8 with Audeze LCD-X works really good. But I prefer to use an additional SPL Phonitor 2 or Phonitor Mini. 😉

Twin x will be fine, it’s got a great amp circuit for the x. Twin mk2 would benefit from a modest amp like an Ifi zen can driven from the line outputs.

@@ScanProAudioTV thnx :). I was thinking about the Schiit Magni 3+ (140euros).

ordered ifi zen V2. based on your very interesting review about the ifi zen

@@wes2819 V2? There’s not an zen can V2, there’s a zen DAC V2… totally not the same thing, you can’t use zen dac with an Apollo, it’s usb input only.

@@ScanProAudioTV Your right the Ifi Zen Can. V2 is not correct, it was still in my head when looking on their website with all their products.

The drop 789 wins hands down, RNHP is underpowered and there’s a definite rounding off of the treble in comparison, Get a balanced cable for the 789, fantastic combo.

@@ScanProAudioTV Thank you for your quick and detailed answer😆 it helps me a lot!

@@ScanProAudioTV Do you have any recommendation of balanced cable for Drop/LCD-X combo?

Yes, massively. A LOT more detail. Like going from a £4- 500 pair of speakers to a £3K set. The sub and bass definition is particularly sharper and tighter noticeable and the treble detail is another level. We have a video with all the optimum settings for LCD-1 that’s just in edit now. Used with canopener and an EQ to fine tune it, the translation is excellent.

Scan Pro Audio thank you that’s really helpful. Look forward to the video

Sorry I meant 8341sam

The MTMs are left over from the small rooms video I did, but they really don’t show up anything that the Audezes and the Genelecs do. 8341 are great, especially in imperfect spaces, and who doesn’t love a barefoot?? Thomas the designer can almost do no wrong in my book. Both are great options. The headphones always give me the best results though, Especially with Canopener and a comparison plugin like metric AB.

@@ScanProAudioTV Thank you for the detailed answer. hopefully the lcd x will be a great companion for my neve headphone amplifier.

@@ScanProAudioTV which Headphones do you think comes the closest to the Genelec 8351?

MI KAIOU If you are using an external headphone amp, make sure you feed it from the line outputs, not re-amping the headphone output. Apollo X now have a pretty great amp, especially the rack units, much better than the earlier models.

@@ScanProAudioTV ​ I see. So "using line outs" are meant for external headphone amp only. For now I will just use my MX4 on the apollo x's headphone output. Thanks!!

We have no interest in stocking or reviewing these headphones. The owner has been banned by most of the headphone forums for unacceptable comments.

@@ScanProAudioTV Thank you, I personally know some of the people who've been harassed by him.

Yes, its one of my favourite Audeze headphones, use the LCD-2 curve from reveal to finish it off, it's from the right era for that correction curve.

@@ScanProAudioTV Ah ok because you can find it at a good price but they told me it's not good for mixing and mastering

@@manuelsirotti3793 the bamboo model is fairly old, so you won’t find new, but it was actually very good. If I was going to buy a new model now, it would be LCD-X with the economy travel case, the new version is better than ever.

@@ScanProAudioTV Yes, but it costs much more than used bamboo. The best headphone you've ever tried for details at an affordable price ?? Some talk about Austrian audio, have you ever tried it? Thank you!

My guess the planar magnetic detail retrieval is more true to the source signal (still not perfect), dynamic drivers detail retrieval can be better but more artificially generated by the dome/cone structures vibrations in motion.

if you're referring to the unbearable harshness in the upper frequencies of his voice over I agree, had to turn him down low lest my brain should leak out through the earways :-))

@@almur88 Im listening with better headphones now but...yes there is so much peaky unpleasant harshness there. To be fair though people don't know the infinite subtleties that go into a vocal that make it sound normal. ..for it to disappear and the information to just appear. This is a good example of poorly recorded/mixed/mastered vocal :D

And why's that?