Which Electric Bike Motor is Best?

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0:00 The question many people ask is.....
0:38 Warthog Update!
1:33 How they work.
2:10 Check out the blackboard
3:00 Is one better than the other?
3:44 Torque sensor myths - busted!
4:31 Regenerative brakes? Hmmm..
6:52 IP Rating (for water) on both motors
7:22 What about efficiency?
8:20 But how do they really work?
14:55 The #1 thing that makes a difference
16:10 What's best for new riders?
16:22 Durability?
17:58 Is one heavier than the other?
19:02 How you can get more cool videos like this!

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@Area13ebikes 3 года назад

Which is best for you and where you ride? The Mid-drive OR The Hub Motor?

@lordnox69 3 года назад

Where I live and ride they both perform well on the trails and on the pavement I have a hub and middrive ebike the hub is way easier to ride at a constant 32km/h well pedaling with the hub motor I can go for hours well pedaling but on my middrive with the tourqe sensor when you get tired and let off so does the motor so it definitely harder to maintain a constant speed but my mid drive can climb a mountain and bring me to 50+km/h I reached 65km/h downhill

@racerx2095 3 года назад

No back suspension you need that for sure I know

@Doing_it_right_the_first_time 3 года назад

When are they going to make a geared hub motor that will fit in a cast or carbon fiber (preferably) rear fat tire rim? I would love to see that for a 26” X 4“ wide rim! If anybody knows of one especially if it’s a Grin Technologies or Bafang 750 Watt or more, please let me know ASAP! Thank you

@lordnox69 3 года назад

@@racerx2095 my middrive is a full suspension it's the biktrix juggernaut ultra fs

@davidg426 3 года назад

My mid drive Dost Kope is inbound. Delivery in about 2 weeks. Stoked!

@slaphappy7559 3 года назад

Mid Drive all the way for me, another plus to the Mid Drive is the weight of the motor is central on the bike, greatly changing how the bike feels on the road.

@carstrucks9641 10 месяцев назад

U got it man

@Themanfromglad 3 года назад

Great explanation of the difference between both motors, very complete details. I drive a Stromer with an 800W hub motor and love it.

@myscreen2urs 2 года назад

DD gearless all the way. It may be heavier, it may have a slower acceleration and it may be PITA changing a tyre but once it gets going, you can get into comfortable speeds. You don't have to worry about gearing, upkeep is easier and if you really need more torque when climbing, you can just help it out by cranking those legs of yours. I highly recommend getting a 50T+ chainring on the cranks. Climbing Hills becomes a joy as both man and machine😁

@benjaminsmith4058 Год назад

Also don't have to constantly listen to whirring gears. Silence is bliss!

@47f0 8 месяцев назад

Amen. One of the dumbest things Rad did was move from DD to geared - especially on the Radcity, which was a perfect direct drive application.

@kona2day 3 года назад

Another thing to mention would be the cost difference between the two. Part of the reason I went with a hub motor was it seemed a little less expensive. Can’t wait to get my ebike.

@deanrivers6200 3 года назад

Here's a tip for u and something I don't think he mentioned. If one is going mid-drive, they should find out if the bike has an accelerator so you don't have to pedal. I have the Sondors MXS hub drive and wouldn't want to be without mine. First advantage is that it helps me get on the bike re getting it moving while I'm just standing on a pedal before swinging my leg around. Great at stoplights to get it going.. 2nd is immediate power to race a stoplight, have more advantage in traffic etc.

@onamission1848 2 года назад

@@deanrivers6200 my mid drive has a throttle and also the advantage of being able to use the gears to either increase torque for better hill climbing or increase speed for faster driving. Hub drive has one top speed and fixed torque that needs to cover all bases.

@smallhatshatethetruth7933 2 года назад

@@onamission1848 The weight distribution is better on a mid drive too, only thing is I go through chains like crazy since I'm doing 70 miles a day on my bafang

@billclark8241 2 года назад

@@smallhatshatethetruth7933 why do you chains break? Or do they just wear out? And which Bafang mid-drive do you have?

@kenbrown9781 Год назад

@@smallhatshatethetruth7933 Haha! Thanks for that. Your'e obviously having a blast! Just be careful okay!

@jeffreyreicher5241 2 года назад

I like the mid drive on the Bolton. The belt drive with no rear derailleur appears to have less maintenance. I got to have this bike. Excellent video. Thanks

@chargeriderepeat7024 3 года назад

Ive ran a bafang 750w fatbike hub at 2000w peak on my DH bike for years and its has many advantages, constant power regardless of gear, no chain wear and the ability to hit climbs at speed then keep powering as the speed drops. It works very well on fast single track and no clearance issues at the bb.

@Idekworkshop Год назад

Good to hear 750w bafang 26 inch tire hub motor coming soon 😩

@reeread 3 года назад

Great video, in my experience hub motors are just set it and forget it, but if you want more torque the mid drive will always be the winner. I run a dual hub motor system that is just great for commuting through Arizona. If I were doing mountains. I would use a mid drive, But also carry an extra chain. Thanks again for the video

@ernestsafe 3 года назад

I have almost 4000 miles on my mid-drive ebike. I think my next bike will also be mid/fat tire. Thanks Kyle. Looking forward to meeting you in GV

@justicecenter 3 года назад

Truly appreciate your videos. You are always non-biased and speak to inform.

@mindalteredstate 3 года назад

Great video,I've been riding derrailer bikes for over 50 yrs and still see people riding without using the gears.If you ride in the hills it's the gears that enable us to gain momemtum.I have a few ebikes on order but I selected hub over mid drive purely on economics.Keep up the great video's.

@MrFurkettun 2 года назад

Hub motor all the way for me, so much more reliable and easy/relaxed to ride! And a longer range! Oh yeah its cheaper too! And if the chain snaps you can still ride it home fully electric!

@MattsplatsGunReviews 3 года назад

You make great videos. Thank you. This was very informative.

@tomascastillo886 2 года назад

Your videos are amazing and top quality! Thanks for clarifying a bunch of stuff I needed to learn!

@bryanklawitter2526 3 года назад

Ok, you get best Informative e bike video on subject by far. Great job! Thank you.

@ritchiewiii Год назад

So much great info! I think I had a lot of this figured out on my own but was just guessing so it was great to hear it explained so well to fill in the gaps and confirm/correct my assumptions. Thanks for posting!

@MeerkatMotorBoards 3 года назад

Good video! Regen brakes are great for reduced wear on brakes and hub motor gets the nod, if your chain brakes you can still get home.

@bobpatty2937 3 года назад

My answer to the “mid/hub” question is simply both. The hills I ride have developed my bike with a 72v Bafang mid drive and a Qs205 hub motor 72v 150amp on 29” wheels. Two 72v 25ah triangular batteries provide power. I know I’m crazy but try it! Heat and range anxiety problems disappeared .

@theejoeylee 2 года назад

You're a SAVAGE

@camcammy4753 2 года назад

Dude, this video was about ebikes, not electric motorcycles.

@jourdan2047 2 года назад

@@camcammy4753 that is a ebike you just need to know what you’re putting on it you can this throw it on and expect it to work

@danhaywood5696 2 года назад

That must be heavy, but you have a lot of torque and redundancy? That sounds way cool. So that should also reduce draw from each battery and extend your range? How is shifting? I've never ridden an ebike, but I am very interested, and if I had one, I'd need to go up steep mountain ridges with my milk and such, pull a cart with my dog on rare occasion, and be dependable to at least provide some drive to get me back without breaking me with a long walk pushing shit up ridges, making me pig target.

@billclark8241 2 года назад

Must weigh about 100lbs....

@mythrusthelema 3 года назад

Very informative, when the prices come down, I will seriously consider a mid-drive with a belt. Thanks Kyle!

@Area13ebikes 3 года назад

Thank you for watching Mythrus!

@randylee2549 2 года назад

@@Area13ebikes will prices eventually come down ?

@sanjuro1776 2 года назад

Great point about ripping the chain of a Mid-drive if on the wrong gear. For me, the benefit of the Hub Motor is that if your chain breaks 10 miles from home, etc. you can always make it home ( if your battery has enough juice). I see the Mid-drive as a bike to advance/graduate to given enough riding/shifting experience. That's right, "Two chickens in every pot and two e-bikes in every garage!":)

@lonniet.2816 3 года назад

Thank you for that information. Super helpful and i learned a lot.

@Woodjunkie 3 года назад

Already ordered a spare chain and tool just in case for when I get my Foxbat. That way if I have too much “need for speed” I can get operational again on the road. I’m a big guy and will be working the chain fairly hard.

@FlyingFun. 3 года назад

When mid drive with belt drive and internal hib gears comes at similar price as hub drive I'd go mid drive. For now my 1000w cheap hub drive is working great for me with nothing to wear out or break ( chain etc).

@clerissonmesquita 3 года назад

Thank you so much for your invaluable information, highly appreciate it, have a great day, keep it up the outstanding job.

@SMG-lz1zq 3 года назад

Another great video! Very informative! I was wondering if the chainring moved with the mid drive but I figured it couldn't.

@michaelritchie7139 3 года назад

Thank you, very good one. I learned so much.

@SkyGizmmo Год назад

That show and tell was very well contrasted and defined! You touched on a demonstrated by you two builds that putting a high torque mid drive system on pretty much any chain and derailure will expose that to a potential beyond its Design and Engineering. Internal geared hub and belt drive was itself a testimony to your setting of an optimum example for mid drive builds. Obviously that optimum mid drive will have a much higher cost to build... (Always?) Please continue with great content. Going now to check out your products and other content. Cheers

@BumbleBi99 3 года назад

Thank you for explaining! I am definitely getting a mid-drive!

@paullyle3461 2 года назад

You did a great job on that video , and honest as well, thanks for sharing that.😎

@nc3826 3 года назад

Impressively done, detailed comparison. But to be fair, to Mid-drives. You needed mention Hub Motors increase the wheel's 'moment-of-inertia' (ie making it harder to rotate), which commonly, more than offset any weight advantage.

@frogmandave1 3 года назад

Another great video Kyle. I am pretty researched as far as e-bikes go and I still learned a bunch from this one. Keep 'em coming!

@SmokeyTreats Год назад

Thanks so much, this is so informative & thoughtfully explained!

@norcalrc Год назад

Wow great video. A lot of good knowledge being shared. IMO the mid drive is the stuff. Rides more like a non powered bike, plus the additional performance can never be overlooked. That being said , I turned up the boost on my controller today And had 9 available. I’m shopping for a new chain as I watched your video. 😂

@timothyfrench9579 3 года назад

You forgot the "get home" factor. The pedals & chain are not required with the hub drive.

@hasan_z 2 года назад

Yeah if you get a problem with your chain or gears then you can still throttle home

@TheJgray17 Год назад

I used to break chains with a regular mountain bike fairly regularly, I think I'm going with a dual hub motor and beefed up single speed chain.

@basilfrank2975 Год назад

I have a mid drive motor and still have a throttle. FLX Gladiator 2.0

@norangeito Год назад

Can you still get to your destination if you break a chain?

@JudeTheYoutubePoopersubscribe Год назад

@@norangeito on a hub yeah.

@bobpatty2937 3 года назад

I found the answer to the question of which motor is best. Simply put BOTH! On the other end of the chain from my Bafang sets a QS 205 hub motor. They are fed by two 72v 25ah triangular batteries. Using both at once turns bad hills in my area into jump ramps and problems with heat have completely disappeared even at highway speeds. Plus I am hard to beat across an intersection! The primary is a 52 tooth and the final is a 11 tooth. The hub keeps the Bafang from over heating at low speed and the mid drive acts as an afterburner for the hub. (I used to build the F15 fighter bomber)

@RJSoftware2000 3 года назад

dang...!

@sakostwwy1903 3 года назад

I can tell all of you waiting on the MD1000, you are going to love it. They are awesome. Yes I have one in my garage. I special ordered it before Kyle offered it and got lucky it was sent on an earlier shipment. I can tell you, your getting your Bikes as quick as possible!! I am 6’3 280. I had to get the adjustable riser to raise my handle bars way up as the factory one was way to low for my bad back. Second I added a much bigger seat. The seat it comes with is a good seat but too small for my fat a$$. Third I added ergonomic hand grips and they made a MASSIVE difference. Greatly increased comfort and reduced wrist pain. Do yourself a favor now and order you a shock air pump so you have it when your bike arrives. The bike is a beast. It’s easy to ride but not so easy to get on and off. It flat goes!!! Well worth the wait, I promise. I freaking love mine!!

@johnstobbscpa8081 2 года назад

great video. Just getting into this and your analysis seems to be always .... on point.

@Area13ebikes 2 года назад

Thanks for watching!

@a.w.thompson4001 3 года назад

Great topic! Thanks.

@TopolV 3 года назад

Great explanation. Thank you.

@stackcruiser7 3 года назад

Don't forget the weight distribution and bike handling. Midrives center that extra weight near the midpoint of the bike. Hub drives make the back wheel quite a bit heavier.

@Altema22 3 года назад

Nicely broken down, and I was NOT expecting a hub motor to weigh less! Mids give more control, but motors have a wide range of RPM *if* the controller handles the stator coil pulse timing properly. But, most don't, and you lose efficiency as RPM climbs. I had an upgrade kit on my RadMini 4 (not yours), and the pulse timing was too long, actually hurting speed because the coils were still energized after the magnet passed the optimum point. Kind of like a relay runner passing the baton, and not letting go on time. Mid drives can be tough on the chain and cassette, so belt drive and internal gears would help that. If you need redundancy though, hub is the way to go. I had a situation last week: A water main broke and began flooding the small valley where I was riding. With the only way out turning into a river, I cut through an opening in the fence to escape into a parking lot, and a curbstone hit the jockey and idler pulley cage, bending it. Not wanting to damage it further in the dark, I rode two miles home on throttle only.

@failoblivious4951 2 года назад

It doesn't. the hub motor's weight is not static, it's rotational. I'd advise watching johnnynerdout's video comparison of both style ebikes. His view is from a consumers standpoint and not an ebike retailer. Imho price vs quality for hub motors is greatly overvalued.

@pennywv8636 3 года назад

Last year I converted my catrike to e-assist, hub motor, you mentioned that on the mid-drive that you could tear up the chain. That was one of the deciding factors for me in that if I break a chain while riding I really don’t have to stop and fix it, I can still pedal or use the throttle and get home, the motor will work without the chain. Also, because of the position of the crank on a trike, I didn’t want the extra weight on the front of the trike.

@JJ-vp3bd 3 года назад

which motors you recommend

@billhawkins8663 3 года назад

Great Review Kyle! SOMEDAY!!!!

@BK-tx2vw 3 года назад

Kyle thanks! This vid helped a ton, I want performance so mid drive for me please! LOL Your a great communicator and a wealth of knowledge! Wish I could be a Bolton dealer? In Springfield Illinois, would be a great Midwest location! Thanks for vids, keep em coming!

@bikergirl1756 3 года назад

Thanks for sharing your knowledge, Kyle. Would you share what repair stand you use with Ebikes?

@SuperRogers2000 2 года назад

The video explained many differences between the 2 types of motors but missed some important issues. Most hub motors have a stepped cog to shift gears. I never rode a bike with this gear system long before chain would jump gears under load and need adjusting which is a pain. I added a Bafang mid drive on the fat tire bikes my wife and I ride which has a Sturmy 3 speed rear hub. This 3 speed hub shifts flawlessly and when needed, is so simple to adjust. We have a thumb throttle which we always use as we start out from a stop. Any bike is hard to balance until it gets moving. We never peddle to get moving, just push down on throttle and get instant acceleration and control. Also a problem with hub motors is the torque from motor is transferred to the rim through the spokes. These can become loose and need adjusting which again is not fun. Another bike shop video stated that hub drive motors are like running your car in 3rd gear all the time, even from a dead stop. We have been riding our mid drive converted bikes for years on the beaches in Florida with no maintenance needed to this point which has sold me on the mid drive motors. We get the low end torque when starting out and all the speed we need after that.

@Bonjour-World Год назад

Another advantage of mid drives: wider range of wheel choices. Note also that vast majority of hub motors require wire spoke rims (vs 'mag' style rims). Quality wire spoke rims are more expensive and require regular maintenance however they also are lighter and can absorb some of the 'road shock'. Mag style rim can be nearly indestructible and require no regular maintenance (other than the occasional cleaning).

@richloyek279 3 года назад

Well done and informative Kyle. I'm currently riding a converted Trek Marlin 6 with a CSC Hub kit installed. Damn fun to ride!

@abelramos1862 3 года назад

Hi, I’m thinking in getting myself a CSC hub kit too, the 1500 watt one. Which power one do you have? And what is the top speed that you can get with it? I would love to know

@richloyek279 3 года назад

@@abelramos1862 Hello Abel, I went for the 1500 watt hub and it's working well. I use a 48 volt 20 Ah battery and can easily top out around 28-30 mph. Not bad for a 190lb rider!

@abelramos1862 3 года назад

@@richloyek279 very cool, thanks for responding :)

@huck4321 Год назад

As a few others have mentioned, mid-drive is generally easier to remove rear wheel for fixing flats, or other maintenence, its the same process as with non ebikes. On my Bosch mid drive bike, which came as a fat bike, I have 2 sets or wheels; the original 26x4" for dirt, sand, snow and 27.5x3" for commuting. I also use a slightly lower geared casset(larger cogs) on the fat wheels for better off road performance. I could also run 29x2.5" wheels if I wanted. It is very simple process to change the wheels on the mid drive. Note: not all frames will accept all the wheel sizes I mentioned. For instance, 26x4" wheels will likely not fit on a frame designed for 27.5 or 29x2.5" wheels.

@davidwolf7351 3 года назад

Love that you used my bike in this video - you can ship it anytime, ALSO How did you make the UPS truck disappear at 6:10? That was an awesome trick!!

@Area13ebikes 3 года назад

hahah! Magic.

@Altema22 3 года назад

Impressive, but the REAL trick is getting the UPS truck to appear at it's destination, with his bike on it!

@madrodeo425 2 года назад

The last bike I've build up I was using 350w 36v MXUS hub motor, it top at 47kph. Torque is high in fact. I didn't install the pedal assist only throttle lol! Few times it nearly wheelie up as I forgot how strong the pick up was.

@brittanybradford9239 3 года назад

Best ebike channel on YT. Great info

@stevenleslie8557 3 года назад

You explained it very well. As an owner of both types of motors I could add a few more things: changing a flat on the hub drive has been a huge pain, because the wiring that comes out of the motor is very exposed when the wheel is off plus the weight of the motor makes it hard to work with. Also, the hub drive motor shifts most of the weight to the back which creates unbalance which affects handling. It also makes for a rough ride if it's a hardtail.

@robertslimm9319 2 года назад

Also, the hub motor is harder on the spokes. On my rear hub motored bike, I broke 3 spokes in one summer. Big pain to replace: you have remove the wheel, tire, and tire liner to switch spokes. My next bike will be mid drive.

@josephschultz4097 2 года назад

Ding yes balance is key in handling also JMO it will be easier for someone with a motorcycle background to ride a mid-hub bike as it is in many ways just like a motorcycle you need to change gears for terrain and conditions powered through drive train ETC I/m doing research now and I think something like the drill one is going to be the best option for me as will be installing lights ETC to make it street legal and ride it to work round trip is doable with distance and battery IE fuel consumption

@kenbrown9781 Год назад

Good points. Thanks.

@richardjensen3655 Год назад

Yeah well just think of the handling of a front hub drive...downhill. you'll thank god your motor is on the back.

@trainluvr 3 года назад

Well done video. I've rented mid-drives and own two geared hubs, and really the hub is much smoother in easing the power on and off. The mid-drives can be a bit clunky. Also if your pants leg gets into the teeth and chain of a hub motor style bike, you just stop pedaling and pedal backwards a bit to free your self. I would hate to know what happens when a powered chain grabs your pants and you aren't even pedaling! One thing with a mid-drive though is that it is easier to remove the rear wheel when you get a flat. On a hub bike its a real pain until you learn all the tricks and details involved in wheel removal..

@davefool6815 3 года назад

Yep... I can tell you.. It's jams in your pants rips them to shred for about 3 long seconds before it auto cuts out. Chain comes off and you panic lol

@emma70707 3 года назад

What mids have you rented? The Bafangs and Dapus I've tried are jumpy but modern Bosch systems are as smooth as butter in my experience.

@davefool6815 3 года назад

@@emma70707 I go with bafang mid drive because they mean I get an ebike for a fraction of the price of a factory made Bosch. I would rather have a Bosch but I can't bring myself to shed out thousands on a bicycle that in all honesty has a battery that will deplete in usage life after 1 year. But yea Bosch is so much better. Just about to go out on my clunky bafang lol

@emma70707 3 года назад

@@davefool6815 I get the price difference. It really is a lot. But Bosch systems feel a lot cleaner to ride (and they have legit locks instead of the junk on cheap batteries that you can pick with a bobby pin). I will say that my battery is fine after using my Haibike as my daily driver (4 mi hilly commute in Seattle 5-6X/week on full assist so I can go 25 mph in 25 mph traffic) for two and a half years. No, a charge doesn't last quite as long, but it's at 2X commutes instead of 2.5X so it's not like it's a huge issue. I bought one of the small chargers to keep at work and just charge after 1.5X commutes now to be safe. If I hadn't needed to switch to a bike with a throttle due to my deteriorating knee issues, I'm sure I wouldn't have replaced the battery for at least another year.

@davefool6815 3 года назад

@@emma70707 yeah the locks are crap. That's why I never leave it haha. I would rather have a Bosch. I'm in UK so we are restricted to 250w motor and 15.5mph. That's probably another reason why I got a bafang as you can take the speed limiter off. Cold shi t weather here doesn't help cells. And I feel you sister... knee problems. Torn my acl years ago... gives me grief. At least we still soldier on hey lol

@chriskramernyc 3 года назад

I already own 3 hub motor bikes but want to experience a mid-drive so I ordered a Foxbat arriving in November. I live in a really hilly area and thought the mid-drive would be a better bike but I guess the real answer was "maybe" lol. Thanks Kyle - I continue to learn with each of these videos!

@tangowood 3 года назад

So how is the mid drive doing in compare?🤓

@Eric_Tennant 2 года назад

Rear hub make changing a flat a real pain. Takes me over an hour to fix a flat on it. You can see this in my latest solar ebike tour videos.

@GVPARTS 3 дня назад

Hi Eric, I have been watching your vids lately and really enjoyed your phoenix to Vegas ride. I live in Mesa. I also saw your bike in that trip was a mid drive and it peaked my interest in the mid drive. Thanks for the vids.

@Eric_Tennant 3 дня назад

@@GVPARTS Nice

@4g63_Everything 2 года назад

Now i know what should i get soon.. Mid drive motor is more efficient and better weight distribution combined with internal gear rear hubs you just have to keep in mind to be careful when shifting gears. Great video helps alot👌🏼

@garyjohnson4575 Год назад

Two years later....I'm thinking about E, thank you RU-vid for an overload of information. I'm 61, used to be a bike messenger in ancient history. I can still ride 50miles a day, but hills are taking me out! I ride the street with occasional urban off-road. I've decided on mid drive, I don't need speed, I need Hill Help. The torque sensor with no or low latency, not cadence. Good video!

@47f0 8 месяцев назад

I love mid drive - those are my reliable chain, cassette, and freewheel customers. On my personal bikes, it's hub motors all the way.

@michaelhorton6166 3 года назад

I'm going to have a hub motor because that's what the Blackbird comes with. In fact according to the email, the August Blackbird is coming to America!

@mickeydacosta5279 Год назад

watched a lot of bike videos and experts doing videos on EV Bikes etc, But you Sir are with out a doubt the BEST !!! Find you very pleasant to watch and listen too, keep up the EXCELLENT work you do !!! your a breath of fresh air !!!

@ToxicVaccines_HivHoax 2 года назад

I recently bought a Raleigh Motus mid-drive here in the UK. And I am happy with it! Much better than public transport! It has nine derailleur gears and four gears for the electric motor: Eco, Tour, Sport, and Turbo. I keep it on Sport most of the time unless I am going up a steep hill, then I use the Turbo. On flat road I can reach max speed of 16mp very easily on Sport gear. So Turbo is useless because at 16 pmh the motor switches off so it will not go any faster. It has been factory limited to 16 mph. So I have to use my legs 100% if I want to go faster. 20 mph speed limiter would have been better as that is the speed most bicycles travel.

@ozoutdorz2584 3 года назад

Stealth B52 is just awesome. Love the performance. 6200 w hub motor 2000wh battery. Regen brake.

@docchocobo 2 года назад

Personally, I prefer the rear hub motor. It has lots of starting torque, it doesn't put a strain on the Chain, just fewer moving parts. And with a MAG rear tire you don't have to mess with all that spoke junk. It goes faster than I can run and that's all I need

@kenbrown9781 Год назад

I agree. But if I was doing a lot of climbing over varied terrain I would imagine that the lower gears would be more effective. Any comments?

@necroticavalon5176 Год назад

@@kenbrown9781 Just one. The fact this guy says that a hub motor has 'lots of starting torque', in itself proves he has no idea what he's talking about. The biggest flaw of hub (especially direct-drive hub) motors, IS their lack of starting low-end torque. That's why mid-drive is essential for any serious hillclimbing. You need that low-end torque, and your bike's gearing, which hub motors cannot use.

@thill2822 3 года назад

I've been researching this very topic and this video finally gave me the answers I was looking for. With that said, I still am not sure which drive is right for me. I like the torque of the mid drive, but I do not like the thought of busting a chain when I'm miles from a road.

@blakeberlin6295 3 года назад

A gates belt is virtually bombproof.

@Woodjunkie 3 года назад

I ordered a spare chain and chain tool just in case. Cheap insurance while I am learning how to use the mid drive.

@smallhatshatethetruth7933 2 года назад

Get ebike specific chain and don't abuse it, everything will be fine. I recently got a BBS02B and detuned because it was far too much power for my needs. I carry a multitool and chain breaker with quick link just in case but never had to use it, for myself at least, once helped a person on a normal bike with a broken chain on the side of the road

@jr78racer 3 года назад

To me, this sounds just like the manual vs automatic transmission argument in automobiles. It seems to come down to personal preference. Very informative. Subscribed.

@Area13ebikes 3 года назад

Thank you!

@romel4761 3 года назад

So which one would be considered the manual and the auto on this one?

@vinroc 3 года назад

@@romel4761 the mid drive resembles manual operation especially during switching gears

@hmadbak9004 Год назад

This is a very helpful video (like all of your content). Thank you for posting. Could you please explain how changing the gears works on the belt drive? How do you select the gear if they are internal to the hub? Thanks.

@big.lee007 3 года назад

I definitely need your advice, I am 6'1" 348lbs. I have been looking for an ebike for quite a while now. I have test driven a couple different Rad bikes but it just wasn't enough power. I looked at the Himiway cruiser and was very interested in that bike, but then the more videos I watched the more they push towards a mid-drive instead of a hub motor. What brand and what motor would you recommend for me? I appreciate all your great videos that you make.

@goriverman 3 года назад

I have both and I love the mid drive hands down. Most of the time it’s in one gear but for those steep hills shift Down and you fly up them

@devilsoffspring5519 2 года назад

That's one of the great things about mid drives, it's possible for them to have multiple gear ratios. The mid-drive also generally weighs less for given motor power.

@thomassiegers3007 2 года назад

My hub motor can fly up a hill

@richglaser4566 2 года назад

@@thomassiegers3007 how many watts do you have. Comparable watts I beat you up any really steep hill

@leecurry8170 3 года назад

Thanks great vid!

@michaelarnold1590 Месяц назад

That belt drive is cool with no derailer- A hub motor is like driving a car with an automatic transmission and a mid drive is kinda like driving a car with a manual transmission.

@mikekearsley2407 3 года назад

Another great vid, How do I test ride the mid drive motor? i live in Seattle?

@dankriewald4764 3 года назад

Well done , Thank you

@k1ortia 2 года назад

Mid drive all day long, Newer technology, better weight distribution and puts the power down better and smoother.

@difflocktwo 2 года назад

Mid drive is old tech. Gears and chains and oil and grime. direct drive is new tech, well both are ancient technologies.

@davidklein1667 3 года назад

Hey!! Unless I missed it you didn't mention one of the big reasons I chose hub motor. I'm going to be ebike touring the mountain trails of Pa. At first I had thought mid for all of the reasons that you gave. Til my newb self learned that if you should break a chain with a hub motor model you can still continue to ride under power...with throttle only. Between being potentially far from a town and being handicapped I really need the bike to be bomb proof as possible!! Love the new bikes!! Mebbe if Congress ups the stim check to 2grand.......!!!!!!

@carlosramdeen1752 3 года назад

Well spoken thanks bro

@85Handle85 2 года назад

Stay awake and alert while riding, the mid drive is the king. It you tend to be Lazy riding and not paying attention, the hub motor will work best for you. Rodney

@coconutcoconut3450 Год назад

mahalo! this is the best video on this subject! very informative!

@CV-dl3hj 3 года назад

Nice honest review

@Energine1 2 года назад

That regen statement... I use an 80lb scooter "e bike like thing" with twin 1400w hubs and its regen is amazing! If im on full regen on a steep downhill it puts so much power back into my pack i worry it might hurt the pack lol.

@SimonBauer7 9 месяцев назад

hubs are if you want cheap or no maintenance. mid drive is if you want more power, more torque, better weight distribution.

@billwilhite2190 3 года назад

Oh yeah, great vid, I thirst for this knowledge.

@Robnord1 2 года назад

This was excellent! Thank you. The difference is now very clear to me. I stall out the 750W hub motor (actually a 500) on my Rad Rover quite often on steep trails. I'll test ride a mid drive after learning what you've shared here. Being a motorcycle rider, I'm accustomed to shifting, so I'm guessing it'll be a natural.

@sparky3006 2 года назад

Hey robn do you like your radrover ?

@Robnord1 2 года назад

@@sparky3006 Yep. For the money, it's a pretty good bike.

@sparky3006 2 года назад

So you think you would rather have a mid drive ?

@peterh7824 3 года назад

Great video my friend

@riduandunia6591 3 года назад

Thinking out loud... I'm 66. I have not been riding my mountain bike. It's safe to say, I'm looking to start improving my health. I'm thinking Hub mount. I like the idea of using my gears and getting some "back up" from the motor while riding. I'd like to eventually ride from home to work, a distance of 13 miles one way. When I used my map feature on my phone, the amount of time would be about an hour. That time is a little slow and if I could reduce the amount of time, I would be more inclined to ride my bike when the weather permits. I'm open to suggestions.

@hasan_z 2 года назад

Nice video man. I have the hub motor because I literally bought the cheapest ebike I could afford. Never tried a mid motor before. Happy with what I have.

@frankenstein3163 2 года назад

Great info TY. I'm a clutch and stick shift driver. So ill go with a mid drive. But I did hear mid drive maitinac/repear is more costly :(

@mickster1780 3 года назад

the wider range of speed and maximum performance leads me toward the mid drive. plus the fact that it's more of "riding a bicycle experience".

@jimnorwood8748 3 года назад

Weight: mids have integrated controller while hubs use separate controller box. Gotta add box+extra wire length weight to hub.

@LifeMyWay007 Год назад

I am used to a 21 speed comfort bike, my daily driver is a 6 speed motorcycle, and live in a very hilly area. Sounds like Mid Motor for me as I check both the 'shifting is natural for me' and need torque to get up the hills and want to pick up the pace downhill and on the flats.

@ezl8002 2 года назад

Have you ever heard the difference between a mid-drive motor running 50 mph versus a hub motor at the same speed? The mid drive-motor is noisy and another thing, the hub motor will out accelerate a mid-drive motor. Another thing, what happens if you break a belt drive on a mid-drive motor or even a chain drive mid-drive motor? The mid-drive systems look great until you evaluate problems that can happen with them and that is why all electric motor driven systems are more reliable than using a motor to couple a belt or chain to drive the rear wheel. I'd go with the hub drive system for reliability.

@gregeastman8609 3 года назад

Very helpful clarification. I'm not looking for fast but ride on steep and sometimes rough logging roads hunting so hope to carry some weight back to the truck. So distance ( multiple trips, multiple days between charges ) and carrying capacity are high on my list while not able to afford the $4-5K that are 'hunting bikes'.

@maccasnz3436 2 года назад

What did you get? Same issue here, and looking to put front and middrive on a bike.

@DIY101 2 года назад

70 years comfort and reliability hub is for me . Wish you guys make a step thru.

@noniespam Год назад

Thanks, great comparison. Helped me a lot on deciding which way for me to go or my wife. On the hub drive is the throttle variable as in a potentiometer or is it just on or off?

@TapioBlue 3 года назад

Would of been nice to know how far each one would go on the same battery.

@baconsledge 2 года назад

You sound like a very trustworthy company. Very good info!

@BlockCylinder 3 года назад

Most clear, truly unbiased, thoroughly informative video I've seen on this topic. And I've seen a few. Well done.

@markdelagasse8641 3 года назад

This was the best video you have made. It has more info in it than any other. Thank you for taking the time to help us understand e-bikes!

@TheSocialGamer 2 года назад

Another thing to consider is the the hub motor needs a controller box so less clean unless custom like the bikes in this video. Mid Drives have the controller built into it's shell.

@auricom24 11 месяцев назад

On DIY you have to built a case for batteries. -i contruct the case with the controller into it.

@audigit Год назад

Thank you for your opinion. I have ridden ten speeds all my life, but not so much in the last twenty years. I chose a hub drive based on your word. I find it intuitive to control through all my rides. I live in an urban environment.

@chrishausfeld8962 Год назад

Informative video. Lots of videos on this topic, most obsess with speed as the best measure of performance. A rear hub drive same power will not climb the same sustained steep grade as mid drive in granny gear. They both have limits, but unless there is a hub drive geared very low out there, mid drive always wins in mountains. A lot of the "steep grades" demos on YT are moderate grade and short length. So unless you weigh 80 lbs...