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Which Fin To Buy? - Scuba Tech Tips: S09E12 

Alec Peirce Scuba
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Fin preference is a very sensitive subject among our viewers. Alec stirs up the discussion by daring to compare the Jetfin vs Sea Nova for comfort, performance and style.
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@mrchriscarleton
@mrchriscarleton 5 лет назад
Hey Alec! Let me weigh in on this debate. Now tech divers, and tech instructors always seem to favour the Jet/Rocket fins and will always give some spiel along the lines of "hinged and split fins are fine for recreational divers but when you have to move around in heavy technical gear you need a good heavy rigid fin." Now, they always seem to manage to sound a little derogatory/snarky when they say that, but you made a good faith argument based on physics and science, so forget those guys, I'm going to do the same!! First, let me say you've nailed Newton's first two laws of motion. 1) Objects with mass don't like to change velocity (Inertia.) 2) The more massive (heavy) an object is the more it will resist changes in velocity. But let me try and poke a few holes in your argument! The assumption seems to be that the point of finning is to overcome the inertia of your *fins*. But that's not the case! The point is to overcome the inertia of *you*!! We're not trying to move our fins for the sake of moving our fins, we're moving our fins so we can swim to where we're trying to go! Now the inertia of me in a bathing suit with an aluminium tank on my back is substantially less than the inertia of me with a twin set of steel tanks on my back, a drysuit, 10lbs of lead, a stage bottle, and a deco bottle. And that brings us to Newton's 3rd law of motion: For every force there is an equal and opposite reaction force. This is what ultimately moves us through the water. The more force I can apply on the water behind me, the more force goes into moving me forward... and when I'm very heavy, I require a lot of force to overcome my inertia! So the question of efficiency doesn't just boil down to which fin is lighter or which one is more hydrodynamic. Just because a fin requires less force from me to kick with it, doesn't mean it will be more effective at displacing water behind me when I'm this big, bloated, heavy object floating in the water column. Case in point, I was a snorkeler before I got my OW certification. So, naturally, like a newbie, I thought my flimsy, plastic, full-foot snorkelling fins would be perfectly sufficient for diving. (They were sufficient for snorkelling, so why not?) Nope. They were hell to kick when I was at 60' with a scuba unit on my back because they were too flimsy and could not displace enough water! Most of the force I put into them just bent the silly things like paper in the wind and did nothing in terms of moving *me* forward. When I bought myself a *bigger*, *heavier* pair of open-heel diving fins my life got much easier! And it doesn't come down to how the fins channel water or if they buffer excess force in their hinge if I mistakenly overkick. That said, I've tried my heavy Jet/Rocket fins in warm water with just a single aluminium tank. In this scenario they feel like lead boots! They're heavy and noticeably cumbersome. I don't recommend them! But I don't notice the added weight when I need to move heavier, cold water kit around. The plastic hammer you might buy for your grandson/granddaughter for driving their square pegs through their square holes is perfectly fine for that, but for repairing your fence, your'e going to choose a proper rigid hammer with some weight to it - even though, yes, it takes more force to overcome its inertia. Anyways, love your tech tip videos! Cheers!
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Wow! Love it. You can comment anytime Chris. Take care. Alec
@Wolfhound_81
@Wolfhound_81 5 лет назад
Amazing reply Chris, thanks for that explanation.
@mrchriscarleton
@mrchriscarleton 5 лет назад
@@Wolfhound_81 You're welcome! Though I'm still glad Alec made this video. The fact is, Jet fins are not going to benefit the vast majority of divers. Just those of us foolish enough to go diving with 90lbs of steel on our backs or bigger guys who have to wear a lot of lead with their drysuits. ;) ... and he's right about the foot pocket; they could definitely be a lot better!
@JohnDoe-vw1gf
@JohnDoe-vw1gf 5 лет назад
Great reply! Thank you. For me it summarizes up to: in warm water with light system go for a light, modern, flexible fin. in a cold lake with drysuit, two cylinders or more strong, heavy, classic tech fins. I agree with the foot pocket thing too, could be much better.
@jjohn8989
@jjohn8989 5 лет назад
Amazing response! That said, I dive my old jet fins year round and love them.
@aliasincognito0
@aliasincognito0 2 года назад
The jet style fins give me precision and control. I frog kick exclusivity, which means I don't need to frantically flutter as some newer divers do. Also, helicopter turns and back finning is much easier with shorter, stiffer fins. Each fin has an intended purpose for its given design. I don't necessarily feel one is better than the other, as some may suggest.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 2 года назад
It is still a very personal decision. Sometimes the comfort and feel is preferred. Either way, if you tried both and picked a favourite, then stick with it. A
@peterk814
@peterk814 2 года назад
Has nothing to do with newer divers. If you’re in a cave frog is better than flutter. If you’re in open water or drift diving flutter is way better. There is a reason why in freestyle swimming you don’t see people doing the breast stroke. Is less efficient and slower
@alaind831
@alaind831 Год назад
@@peterk814 exactly ! I would like to see "alias Incognito" (now that's a coward name) frog kick his way while spearfishing or trying to cover a lot of ground... they could still make the fish the old shape and stiffness but not use super heavy rubber that sinks to the bottom or create a ton of inertia...
@timgosling6189
@timgosling6189 5 лет назад
This is not really a fair comparison as Scubapro Jetfins are probably the worst traditional shaped tech fin you can buy. Here in the UK we have the Apeks RK3 and Holllis F1 which are far more comfortable and easier to use. They also come in different weights/densities to suit your individual trim. I tried the Sea Nova and the Apeks RK3 and found the Apeks to be a good 2 inches shorter in effective length on the foot. For me this means greater manoeuvrability, whether when kitting up on a RIB or when in those tight spaces in a wreck. Fin length is certainly an individual thing, and the longer fins make me feel like I'm pedaling a bike in too high a gear. I'm with Anton Porteus below, I don't need to go shooting round but I do need lots of fine control to place myself accurately. Horses for courses I guess.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Love it - Horses for Courses. Couldn't put it better. Alec
@BoyFindsTako
@BoyFindsTako 3 года назад
I live in hawaii and dive everyday. There are 32 of us who free dive on a daily basis (some scuba). We all have different fins, mostly long blade fins in the group. But 8 of us use gen 3 sea wing novas for free diving and scuba. I own two sets, the regular gen 3 and gorillas. I prefer gorillas for me personally, but I don’t recommend them for everyone. The gorilla’s are stiff, your feet and calves tend to cramp when you kick hard when free diving, I know scuba is a little different diving style and a different kick, but I’m specifically talking about using sea wing novas for free diving. The regular sea wing novas are perfect overall. I swam everyday over 6 months with regular sea wing novas, I thought the sea wing fins were breaking down and felt weak when I was kicking hard. But my legs were just getting stronger so I upgraded to the gorillas. I love the gorillas, but of my friends that have tried them think the gorilla stiffness are to stiff, and these guys are free divers. I hope this feedback helps you choose which fin to buy, the sea wing nova vs the sea wing nova gorillas. Have fun diving!
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
Thank you for sharing your fin experiences. I wish I could dive daily but time and my ranch chores keep me busy. It's very good to hear from someone who has progressed up to the gorillas through strength training. Congratulations to you and all the free divers still able to enjoy the sea. Take care and safe swims.
@CUCABURRAAustralia
@CUCABURRAAustralia 5 лет назад
Dear Alec, I honestly tried and tested Seawing Nova fins. And I personally never recommend them to my students. If they want "just fins" - I recommend Mares Avanti Quattro, but if they want fins for fancy kicks - jetfin is the best!
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Quattro fins are good. They've been around a long time. I seldom recommend what fins (or mask or snorkel either) to buy. What's right for you, by choice or by experimentation, is NOT necessarily right for others. Suggest they try several. Most older divers are happy to let a new diver use their fins. Take care. Alec
@BenRedito-s3o
@BenRedito-s3o 6 месяцев назад
I retired as diver I use jetfin my daughter inherited it until now she preferred using it.
@sammoyers905
@sammoyers905 2 года назад
I use the Seawing Nova Gorilla fin. And I love them. I ran Super Rockets for decades then upgraded to the Novas, and never looked back. Well worth the price tag.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 2 года назад
I thinks so too Sam and I grew up on Rockets. A
@Stroker69
@Stroker69 2 года назад
I’m headed to the beach next month and want a fast fin to keep up with whatever I come across…. I keep juggling between the gorilla vs nova vs jet/rocket and now the super nova. I’m snorkeling and for a good portion of the week. I want to travel far and fast legs willing. 5’11” 160lbs slim to athletic build. What’s your pick?
@sammoyers905
@sammoyers905 2 года назад
@@Stroker69 From what I am reading about the new Super NOVA, I would probably go that route. The Gorilla fins are a stiffer than standard Sea Nova fins. I have huge Calves and Thighs to power them, so I don't cramp up with them. Enjoy your time at the beach. 😊
@ahmadkaddoura7060
@ahmadkaddoura7060 Год назад
very professional and honest opinions as usual .. can we see a comparison video for NoVa Vs Gorilla Vs supernova ? it's a bit confusing to chose among all these "Wow" fins..thanks
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Год назад
Possibly! I have many topics I want to cover plus viewer requests to fit in. Will add this to my idea's list. A
@ahmadkaddoura7060
@ahmadkaddoura7060 Год назад
We appreciate sharing your long experience with full information and guidance
@alaind831
@alaind831 Год назад
I just watched this about the supernova ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-yF1-l6wiJhc.html while I love my nova I will have to agree about being a pain to remove after a dive (suction issue) maybe I will drill holes into the pocket :)
@misfitsmiami6777
@misfitsmiami6777 4 года назад
I switched from the jet to the novas and make a huge difference. The way you explain new and old age was spot on. Cheers buddy
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 4 года назад
Appreciate the feedback and that the change was for the better. Alec
@Oli4Post
@Oli4Post 5 лет назад
Hi Alec, I'm a great fan of your show. You are right when you use the jetfin for normal finning (flippering). It is bad for this technique. But when you use the jetfin with the frog kick it is the absolute king. the large sides are ideal for backwards swimming, turning or helicoptering. The stiffness of the blade makes the backward kick (or pull) really powerful too. Any other fin (made for the flipper technique) will be too floppy. So, the reason why these black old fins are still sold is because they are perfect for the newest techniques in diving. (And yes, the foot pocket is awful)
@brock446
@brock446 5 лет назад
My answer to that would be that there are technical fins and recreational fins. Both have their strengths and weaknesses, but I've only owned 1 pair of fins (scubapro Jetsport) and have yet to do my AOW, so... Yeah. In any case, if I was to get the nova, I think I'd do the same as Kevin and get them pink. Even better, if someone I know had the same fins (same size too) trade one to get different colors on each foot. That'd look good! (maybe not, but I guess it'd be a fun way to recognize me!)
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
I don't think I'd call the Nova fin floppy. It's actually quite stiff. Its easy finning comes from design, not material. Alec
@Oli4Post
@Oli4Post 5 лет назад
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter I think I was too judgemental and I do not want to offend you. No, the novo are not floppy but they are also not made for a frog kick technique, just like the jet fins are no good for a flippering technique. They have both their own purpose. The jet fins have their PRO's too. Including the weight which is perfect for dry suits. And the frog kick is not only for hard core DIR style cavers (as others point out). I live in a country with very fine river sediment. Flipper there once and the visibility is gone for the rest of the day. We learn the frog kick as only technique, including the open water starters.
@silntstl
@silntstl 3 месяца назад
US military has been using Rocket fins for decades. Tried and true and continued use for a reason. I'll stick to my Rockets.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 месяца назад
If you love them, enjoy them. My first fins in 1958 were UDT's! A
@erikhoffmann1252
@erikhoffmann1252 3 года назад
Yeah I used to buy into the “fancy” new tech as well. I had a pair of those nova’s they’d totally buckle at the slightest effort and gave 0 propulsion. On top, I’d get cramps almost every dive. Needless to say they went in the bin. Then I got a pair of jet fins, effortless propulsion with even the slightest frog kick. And best of all not a single cramp EVER since I made the switch. Different strokes... I guess
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
Exactly. No one item is perfect for everyone, well except air.
@ald5267
@ald5267 5 лет назад
Still clutching to my rotting US Diver Rockets... Haha!
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Hey, they're classics. Hang them up and tell your grandkids you used to be a frogman. I'd say that's the best use for them. Great fins - in the 60s' Alec
@ald5267
@ald5267 5 лет назад
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter I know, I know, good sir! Over the last while your advocating for the Nova Fin hasn't gone unnoticed.
@rmsmith2396
@rmsmith2396 4 года назад
I'm 70 yrs old and been diving since 1973 and taught in pools and ocean (gulf of Maine) and worked at a shop where I could try any fins and I have never used a fin that propels better than a jetfin. That said, they are too heavy for travel, but the rest of this is, in my opinion, marketing.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 4 года назад
I respect anyone who tried many fins before making their own pick. If your happy then stick with it Mr. Smith. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
@Penofhell
@Penofhell 5 лет назад
Hi Alec, just one question why comparing fins made for different divers? When doing frog kicking, especially when you need to move with precision (not only in tec or caves, but also when near corals, when doing photography,... Lots of other cases), rigid fins are king as they both transfer the movement of the foot with better precision and give better feedback to the diver as to what is is doing and how it moves with the current and water arround it. The nova are nice, but most of the features seem to be aimed at enhancing the performance of the flutter kick, which is a kick used to move large distances quickly or to battle strong current. I feel like this video should have been about how the nova is a more modern fin than the jet, and how scubapro should make a new jetfin with these modern features like less weight and better pocket / comfort... Rather than actually saying one is better.
@Caesar.Aquanaut
@Caesar.Aquanaut 5 лет назад
I think the closest match I could think of being like a jet fins with modern features, lighter, and made by Scubapro, that would be Go Sport Fin.
@frangalarza
@frangalarza 5 лет назад
@@Caesar.Aquanaut Yep. I have the Go Sport Fins and I like them better than the Seawing Nova for that reason. I like how they feel, great for precision frog kicking and great feedback.
@Caesar.Aquanaut
@Caesar.Aquanaut 5 лет назад
​@@frangalarza That's exactly the same reason why I'm considering to get myself a pair of the Go Sports fins. Seawing Nova is comfy and really good with flutter kicks, although I could do the heli turns, frog kicks and back kicks with Nova but the lacks of precision and feedback are what makes me feel unhappy about it. Tell me Franciso, is the Go Sports fin neutral or positive buoyant? Have you tried this fins for multi tanks rig (i.e, double tank side mount)?
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Hey, you may be right John. Perhaps that's the answer to settling this discussion (argument?). Scubapro should make a "new" Jet Fin incorporating some of the better features of the NOVA - in black only of course, for the old guys. Alec
@ymeeedoooy
@ymeeedoooy 2 года назад
Thank you Alec for taking the time to explain all the details and features. If you have the chance, can you make a review on the new SCUBAPRO Supernova fins? I heard they combined features from both Jet and sewing nova fins.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 2 года назад
Glad you liked it. Lots more to see and learn about various scuba gear. A
@garyh4458
@garyh4458 Год назад
I've used sea wings and rocket fins. The rocket fins would make you fly. The sea wings made it easier to kick your legs but you didn't go nearly as fast. I'd take the rocket fins if given the choice.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Год назад
Pick which ever make you feel comfortable. But at some time in the future if they feel heavy and slow, check out other models. A
@LeeMorgan07
@LeeMorgan07 5 лет назад
Alex, for tec divers who are looking for shorter fins for smaller spaces, what are options for fin types? What are your thoughts on the Force Fin, which is a modern fin design with simular design concepts to the Nova Fin.
@imbodie
@imbodie 5 лет назад
I LOVE Force Fins for open water, though I find frog kicks hard with them... and now its hard for me to do anything but frog kicks.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Both the old Jet fins and Force Fins are shorter than average, if that's what you want. If you actually measure the fins, side by side, as I did in this video, it's only about an inch or two. The Force Fins are excellent although I'm not convinced the price is justified. The Nova is a bit cheaper and offers several nice features. Alec
@a951753367
@a951753367 3 года назад
Talking about the color, I just bought a pair of jet fin with camouflage, and I like them =)
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
Camo is cool, just don't drop them.
@TheThaiLife
@TheThaiLife 2 года назад
Oh my gosh, where was this video when I bought Jetfins a few years ago. You are so spot on! Great video and thank you. I will be picking up some Sea Nova's.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 2 года назад
Sorry it was not out sooner. Lots more to watch and learn from. A
@TheThaiLife
@TheThaiLife 2 года назад
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter I'm learning a ton from you, thank you for all you do!
@LuKe31197
@LuKe31197 5 лет назад
I'd take my modern fins over my dad's old rockets simply because its never as pleasant an experience constantly battling with my trim. Even though I'm always drawn to a simple, stiff fin, maybe eventually I'll have the opportunity to try those Novas out. Gotta say one thing though, you won't look nearly as cool in the new style fins as you do with the jets/rockets.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
If you like that old. frogman look, you're right. It just kinda' makes you stand out on a dive boat - the old guy!! Try the Nova fin. I think you'll be impressed. Alec
@Teampegleg
@Teampegleg 5 лет назад
The jet fins are available in a wide variety of colors now. Although not from Scubapro but there are a tons of companies that put out jet style fins with improvements like lighter materials and better foot pockets. Anyways why not both? For currents and other entirely open water dives the Seawing Novas are pretty great. But for precise kicks in places like caves or wrecks I find that that the Seawing Nova isn't as good as. Sure you can make it work, but if you want to precisely stay in one place while working a line I found more tech style fins work better. I prefer the more hybrid Dive Rite XTs, as they work better when the flow is up.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Many dedicated divers have more than one set of fins. The XT fin is about as simple a fin as you can imagine. It is a high-performance fin and best worn by very fit (strong-legged) divers. It is NOT a particularly efficient fin and lacks many of the newer, proven design features that allow a regular diver to fin for a long time and conserve air. However, as with many pieces of scuba gear, what works best in one underwater environment, is not the best for another - or for a different diver for that matter. Take care. Alec
@sfiron
@sfiron 2 года назад
Great vid. Maybe that’s why I get crumps in my calfs using RK3. I also have the Neo. Going to switch back to them 😉
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 2 года назад
Right on
@ramapalmer5985
@ramapalmer5985 5 лет назад
My favorites are the ones behind you, aqua lung x-shot!
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Nice fin. A bit heavy, a very standard design - not necessarily as efficient as the latest designs. Alec
@chasingphp9976
@chasingphp9976 5 лет назад
I use a seawing nova and a similarly designed fin to the jet fin, OMS slipstream, just lighter and with a drain hole but everything else is the same. I still find the slipstream design more effective in strong currents. i have the gorilla Seawings and they are a huge improvement from the first release with dual hinges but for strong currents, i feel more confident with the OMS slipstream,
@andersstromqvist2211
@andersstromqvist2211 5 лет назад
when diving with the dry suit i prefer a heavier fin like the jet fin, I think the wheigth/boyancy distrubution becomes much nicer. For a wet suit a ligher fin is nice. Also the drysuit gives so much drag so slow heavy strokes is the ticket cant paddle away in the same way that you can with the wet suit.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
It's good to have a heavy fin with a Dry Suit. That helps to keep your feet where they belong - below you. With a light fin, you'd probably want ankle weights. Alec
@DannyB-cs9vx
@DannyB-cs9vx 3 года назад
I would like a video on different types of fins such as travel, or thin long Vs. short wide, stiff vs flexible. Why a fin made for deep skin diving does not work for scuba. And maybe answer why everything I want is the most expensive. Maybe some good second choices to having the best. Like maybe a different material type or style. Is their a price sweet spot for quality? Not getting into brands per say, but is there a big difference between a $90 fin and a $250. Spending 3 times as much gets what kind of improvement?
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
Every video on fins creates a LOT of discussion: this is great, that is crap, never buy this brand, etc, etc. The same video on wetsuits, no comments. I will be doing more on fins, just did one on fin straps S12E01 so lots more to keep you entertained.
@baronvonfox
@baronvonfox Год назад
Durability is an issue for me, hull diving so not traveling far, oysters, barnacles...my fins get ripped to shreds. That's why I'm considering the jet fin.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Год назад
That is something you really need around those sharp points. Up here in Canada we had a zebra mussel outbreak for a decade. They are small but very sharp edges. I would end a lake or river dive and have tiny cuts in my gloves and knees from them. Be safe and thanks for watching.
@elibrin123
@elibrin123 5 лет назад
I have the Gorilla version of the Seawing Nova. They are stiffer and provide better feedback. Also, easier to frog kick.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
If you have younger, stronger legs or dive in current regularly, the Gorilla may have an edge. I tried them and found no difference but I didn't push them hard either. Alec
@arsenshouk
@arsenshouk 5 лет назад
I regularly watch your videos and have learnt a lot (from Ranch videos as well). Your (and Kevin's, of course) enthusiasm and hard work is just amazing. Thank you for sharing all this knowledge with me! I own both Hollis F1 and Nova fins. And while I do all the back-kicks, frog-kicks, your_propulsion_option_here with Nova's in a single tank configuration and while I'm traveling (totally with you here), I find it very hard to find the right balance and find Novas to lack in efficiency in case of a set of doubles and with a deco bottle. In the spirit of your logic, the same company keeps making the same car, so it is more like a Wrangler - it is still produced by the same company that produces other different cars, with some updates.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Thanks very much Arsen. Personally, I have not tried the various kicks while wearing Novas. My old legs won't do some of those kicks. And, while I appreciate the offer, my friends who claim they can teach me how to frog or backward kick aren't listening - "my old legs won't do that!!". Anyway, I'm guessing there aren't many fins that are efficient while wearing all that stuff. It's kinda like trying to haul a 40' house trailer (caravan to my Brit family) with a Mini. Good points. Take care. Alec
@retimixshotcrete5870
@retimixshotcrete5870 4 года назад
Very helpful, thank you
@bermudezhg
@bermudezhg 3 года назад
For certain it is that the Modern Fin is better and I've tried all.......When I started in the 70s, I went out of my way to get the Old UDT Teams Fins that I saw in the TV Series and WWII Movies. That UDT Fin was still in use by the USMC divers that I saw while doing my Reserve Officer Candidate Military Service. The UDT Fins where a Nightmare !! I still have them....
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
The old UDT or rocket/jet fin is still around today and like many scuba items are still loved/hated depending on your preference. Thanks for sharing this.
@pucioy
@pucioy 4 года назад
Thanx Alec, great clip. Actually I should say great way of thinking. There's one more thing to consider: should I buy something what works or match for me right now or should I buy something what I will have to "grow up" to ? :)
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 4 года назад
If you're still growing up a lot, not out like most divers, you can consider that and use a thicker boot to fit better. Best to pick what fits you today as some grow a bit but from a size L to XL is a lot of growing.
@spynolimits
@spynolimits 5 лет назад
Thanks for the video, I am looking at buying a pair of fins that can help me improve my skills and use less oxygen when diving. But the nova are a bit out of my budget. Have you tried the Beuchat Aquabionic or the Seac F1 S? Otherwise, which one would you recommend? Many thanks in advance,
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
I have seen them both but not actually used them. They look pretty conventional. Why not wait a short while as you save a bit more money and get the ones you want and that you know you'll love? Alec
@johnkennett2596
@johnkennett2596 3 года назад
I appreciate that education on the updated Scuba Pro fin. When I arrived in in Philippines the Davao scuba store sold me that Black, stiff, ankle chafing fin that greatly limits my endurance in the Pacific. A few hundred meters even wearing dive boots the discomfort turns into abrasions, that needs time to heal before snorkeling again. It is a ten hour drive one way to an air fill here in Surigao del sur, gone are the days when I owned a portable Bauer compressor in Roatan Honduras. The live Coral, Caves, begin 1000 meters from our beach so we time low tide to walk out to the drop off to eliminate two kilometers of fin kicking, but that limits me to a 2 hour window each day. China is selling electric mini scuba compressors around the $200 price. Have you seen these in Canada yet?
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
That is an amazing experience, thanks for sharing it. Hope your feet get better fins. I have not seen these cheap compressors but not looking also. Save diving John.
@saymyname218
@saymyname218 4 года назад
My personal opinion is that military issue stuff is crap....I had a pair of commando jet fins ....they gave me blisters after only 4km of swimming ....I now have cressi -sub frog ...and use a 3mm boot and are really comfy .
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 4 года назад
Fins, like most scuba gear, is up to the user to decide what works for them, not marketing or hype. Thanks for the comment Stephen.
@jacquespoirier9071
@jacquespoirier9071 5 лет назад
it's a normal development process, at first, the improvements comes fast and closely spaced , when the product becomes to maturity, the improvements are few and far spaces, then, it's the time to scrap the design and begin a new one, it's the concept of obsolescence.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Exactly. Perfectly normal and straightforward process and it works. The good stuff survives the vetting process. The junk, not so much. Alec
@firstworldboredom
@firstworldboredom 2 года назад
I've a pair of jetfins for sidemount diving here in the tropics (so I only use 4lbs). I find they're so negatively buoyant that they counter the two tanks quite nicely when running through your air. I also find that when hovering and side kicking to maintain that trim, the thick side cross section gives a LOT of control. Having said that. When diving backmount, packing my divebag, or doing literally anything else, I've a set of modern, light, composite fins which I will never give up.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 2 года назад
Jetfins are heavy compared to newer models, I pulled many a leg muscle in my youth using them. Glad to know you pick equipment for each dive style to get the best out of your gear. Thanks for watching and not being bored with me. A.
@mrchriscarleton
@mrchriscarleton 5 лет назад
Oooooh! And one more side note - the Jet fins come in more than one colour now as well! My brother has a bright white pair and my wife dives a red pair.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Still a 60 year-old fin!! It's like putting make-up and tattoos on an 80 year-old lady so she can get a young man to buy her. Alec
@antonporteus
@antonporteus 5 лет назад
Alec, you are comparing apples with oranges, diving is the only sport where the aim is NOT to win, but enjoy a slow dive and come back to the surface alive. Nova and split fins boast speed and propulsion, but it isn't what diving is about, but those fancy sell points appeal to inexperienced recreational divers. Tec fins on the other hand are short, sturdy and reliable for cave, wreck and deep diving where speed isn't the objective, but rather trim and easy of movement.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Actually, you may notice that I didn't once mention speed. In fact, the newer fins are designed to NOT allow over-kicking, to stop speedy finning. They are efficient, meaning that they give more propulsion with less effort, less air, more comfortable, longer dives. The longer and slower the dive, the more you would appreciate a modern, efficient fin. Alec
@toriless
@toriless 5 лет назад
Split fins are easier on the legs which is why a lot a women use them. They are not about speed but ease.
@lcastelano
@lcastelano 3 года назад
Thank you Alex for everything .
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
You're welcome.
@hugo511
@hugo511 Год назад
For most recreational diving, the Novas are great, but from my experience the Jetfins are more suitable for alternate kicks. The Novas are some of the best fins for flutter kicking, but struggle when it comes to frog/back kicks. As someone who frog kicks almost exclusively, I love my RK3s. To my understanding the reason for the vents is to remove a "dead zone" on the fins. The Nova design uses the same principle, just removes the entire dead zone instead of putting holes in it. From my experience this works very well as vented fins kick a lot easier. Other things you mentioned like fitting or comfort have never been a problem for me with the RK3s despite their bulky design (and the fact I have slim feet), I even use them for snorkeling. TL;DR: both fin types are solid but perform better in different situations
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Год назад
Fins, like cars and BBQs, are a personal choice that need to match the divers style. Right? A
@hugo511
@hugo511 Год назад
well put :)
@18m
@18m 5 лет назад
I have both for years.they are all good, maybe for different situations. Nova fins those teeth might be a problem for cave line and a little too light for backkick, also a little soft for muti tanks. When it comes to frog kick, Jet fin has better control also heavy good for drysuit. Don't get me wrong, you probably use Nova more often if you dive in a tropical sea.I would recommend get both of them and a pair of full-foot, those works better when you snorkeling or free diving for fun.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Lots of different fins; lots of different divers. Perfect! Alec
@flpoho
@flpoho 3 года назад
Huge oversimplification, comparing apples and oranges. First of all, yes, the style of the Jet fin has changed. The one shown in the video is not the newest version that was out before july 2019. It also comes in a range of colours. When using the Jet Fin the way some divers consider to be most correct, you are not fighting momentum and inertia. You are using the inertia of the fin to push against, propelling yourself forward, and letting your momentum carry you until it's time for another kick. The weight of the Jet Fin is considered one of the key benefits when drysuit diving. If you are not carrying that weight on your feet, you are strapping it to a weight belt instead. When diving in a drysuit, you would rather have that weight on your feet. The foot pocket is not for a square foot, it is for a big bulky drysuit boot with a thick sock underneath it. Not being able to extend your foot fully so it's parallel to the bottom is another example of a complete misunderstanding of what the Jet Fin is good for. When diving in good trim using a 'frogkick' you have your feet parallel to the bottom with your ankles bent, because your legs are not fully extended. None of those people you mention, who say that 'Jet Fin is the only fin that works' are talking about recreational open warm water divers. I also use a Seawing Nova whenever I'm in a wetsuit. Great fin. Bad comparison.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
Thanks for the feedback Flemming. Divers talking about fins is like politics, everyone has an opinion, but only yours is right! Hope other divers think about this before buying.
@chrisnurczyk8239
@chrisnurczyk8239 3 года назад
I snorkle, and was looking at replacing my old "he man" 60's era Kinugawa Pacific duck foot clones. Was heavily considering getting the SP Jets. My local dive store entrepreneur was showing me the advantages of the Mares x-Stream fin (his personal choice). As an aging retiree science teacher, I like data & application of scientific method. I did some research. I considered what my local dive shop expert told me (the guy has over 35 certifications and years of practical dive experience - think he knows something?). So I'm buying the x-Streams. At my age, I know - nostalgia ain't what it used to be (and neither is my body). Fins don't work right unless they fit right - my local dive shop can do this for me, and can give me service if I have problems w/out shipping probs - big advantage to me keeping wet.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
You got it right, a good foot pocket fit starts a good fin. The rest does not matter if you blister or pull muscles, no fun then. Loved my early duck feet and still have a set for vintage diving days.
@helgardtdippenaar2995
@helgardtdippenaar2995 3 года назад
Alec, great video. I've been divng the Mares XStream for 700 dives. Today I took a pair of JetFins for a dive. The lack of full foot pocket is absolutely terrible! It is like you say, puts a lot of force on the midfoot and I cannot use the foot pocket to push away with. Really, it felt like I put a pair of heavy wooden paddles on the front of my feet. I had to frog kick from my hips. Worst of all...they are VERY heavy and VERY negatively buoyant ! I actually had to put air in my wing a bit. It felt like I had a 1lbs additional weight on each ankle ! Yeap, I don't get why people love these JetFins so much...have they actually tried a more modern fin?
@MegaSlayerr
@MegaSlayerr 4 года назад
The way some people bang on about these jet fins you'd swear putting em on gives one super powers, the amount of divers ive seen with these because they asked online and some "Pro elite tech diver" said they "are the only fins to have"... they end up being painfully slow in the water, it really is horses for courses when it comes to fins and some people get railroad'd away from any new fins because of this close minded attitude. You can efficiently do any kick style with the Novas, and nearly any other fin its down to diver skill more than a fin.. but the elitism around the "super duper jet fin"and every other fin sucks gets old.. and predictable! its akin to the long hose battle... the way some people talk about it.. id say they d reject air from a basic octo setup in an OOA situation xD
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 4 года назад
There is not one piece of scuba gear from fins, BC's, computers down to mask clips that divers won't argue about. The final pick is with the guy with the money and what he wants. At least some discussions benefit from information sharing not just personal picks.
@MegaSlayerr
@MegaSlayerr 4 года назад
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Yeah definitely! ive found alot of these videos very informative and a gold mine of experience its great for people starting out to learn off the experience of others. It makes me question someone instantly tho when they say something is the "only" fin to have or the "only" way to do something Great vids tho Alec! i actually bought novas because of vids like this and have to say they are an amazing fin!
@barnaclebill1615
@barnaclebill1615 Год назад
I really enjoyed the review! Thanks for all the info!!👍👍
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Год назад
Glad it was helpful! A
@abdulkkhan5095
@abdulkkhan5095 3 года назад
Very, very knowledgeable man. A godsend to the diving world.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
Thank you very much, glad you enjoy these.
@larlario289
@larlario289 Год назад
gear choice changes with age. some sooner, some later but they do change.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Год назад
I'm amazed that after 50 years there are some improvements that are really good (and a few not so good). Makes our sport exciting. A
@andrewbrett9700
@andrewbrett9700 5 лет назад
I use both styles, just depends on my dive plan.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Smart. Alec
@nautiboiscuba
@nautiboiscuba 4 года назад
Awesome video. Can you do a tech tip video on dive cameras. For example the go pro or other non professional cameras
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 4 года назад
I'll add that to my idea list, thanks Kartel. Alec
@k956upg
@k956upg 4 года назад
Kartel Farley go pro cameras are good but there are tons of great cameras out there that cost much less...don’t forget these things get lost & have accidents & tech moves on so I wouldn’t pay for the brand name..one main thing for me is good light adjustment & good video mode that I can take stills out of.
@jimchain3665
@jimchain3665 3 года назад
lol Kevin's always having to take the heat. Enjoy your video's
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
You got that right!
@PROSTO4Tabal
@PROSTO4Tabal 3 года назад
Tech divers love harsh environment, strict rules and heavy duty stuff
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
I just hope they have fun doing it.
@DSO1994
@DSO1994 5 лет назад
Mares Avanti Quattro are the best all round fin. Hollis F1 best for dry suit diving.
@Ken-vl4wk
@Ken-vl4wk 5 лет назад
Duncan O I actually replaced my Avanti Quattro for Novas and never looked back.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
So many different divers. Fortunately, there are just as many different fins. Alec
@MarcinP2
@MarcinP2 5 лет назад
As an experiment one could put one of each on and see which leg is more tired.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Perfect for swimming in a pool, where you need to go in a circle! Alec
@Willdostyles
@Willdostyles 5 лет назад
Iv tried a whole dive with a seanova on one foot and a tusa hi flex on the other. That was weird
@markstengel7680
@markstengel7680 5 лет назад
Hi Alec, Old vs new designs in fins. When i was say 10 the adults had fins with a slip into fin, fins back then for kids had the rear strap not the whole foot type. Now all i see on high end fins are the strap type, is this true or am i just nuts ? Enjoyed your Fins new vs old designs. 👍
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Full Foot Fins were the norm for all diving at one time. The early fins with straps were simply made to fit lots of different feet, particularly kids. Since today's scuba divers want to wear a dive boot, the Full Foot has given way to the strap style. Alec
@sergioseixas7153
@sergioseixas7153 5 лет назад
I simply love to listen Alec. Great video às always
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Thanks for your support Sergio. Alec
@paulwhite3637
@paulwhite3637 5 лет назад
Absolutely what today’s new divers need to see and hear. I’m not a fan of the new look, but do appreciate their efficiency. I just may give those a try on my next new purchase. Thanks for another interesting and entertaining video you two. 👍
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
They could look like an Octopus Arse for all I care, if they are easy to use and efficient. Alec
@tonysmith172
@tonysmith172 3 года назад
We have the seawing nova fins. Love them
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
Me too! Thanks Tony.
@richardmarte293
@richardmarte293 5 лет назад
Alec, why did us divers change to aqua lung? Where does the aqua lung brand stand in comparison with the top brands?
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
US Divers still exists. You will see it on a lot of their snorkelling gear, the stuff sold in Big Box stores (Walmart, etc). The name 'Aqua-Lung' is very widely recognized and carries no negative connotations sometimes associated with the USA so it has been adopted as the "new" name for the company. The name Aqua-Lung was owned by Air Liquide. Air Liquide was formed in 1902 by two French chaps who discovered, or at least produced, the first liquid air. Emile Gagnon, the engineer and true inventor of the first scuba regulator, worked at Air Liquide and arranged for them to make the first ones to be used by himself and JYC in 1943. Air Liquide formed a company called Spirotechnique in France to manufacture their new scuba gear. Spirotechnique is now called Aqua Lung International. Aqua-Lung, literally 'water lung', was a great name, easy to say and practically unforgettable. The Aqua-Lung brand of gear was the first to be sold in North America, brought to the USA by Rene Buzzo (via Canada) through his new company called US Divers. Aqua-Lung was one of the Big 5 scuba companies that dominated the sport in the 50s and 60s - Aqua-Lung, Voit, Healthways, Sportsways and Scubapro. These companies were so intertwined that most were started by former employees of the other four!! The well-known Voit scuba gear was almost all produced by Aqua-Lung with slight changes in design to make it uniquely Voit. Parts for Voit regulators are identical to Aqua-Lung parts. Everyone knew everyone else and they cooperated (in public at least) with each other. They were all divers and often dived together along the CA coast. Only Aqua-Lung and Scubapro remain and Aqua-Lung is now part of a large equity corporation. They make money - not scuba gear. Aqua-Lung today sells a full line of gear and it is equal to anything else on the market. They are NOT the leaders in innovation and design as they were at one time. They do not manufacture most of their own products as they once did. Nor does Aqua-Lung dominate the market as it once did but, partly because of that long-standing name recognition, Aqua-Lung continues to be a well-recognized brand. There you go Richard - a long and complete answer. Thanks for watching. Alec
@johnthomas2070
@johnthomas2070 5 лет назад
I have a 1979 Trailduster and a 1996 Ram 4x4 Power Wagon. But my wife has a newer Vehicle. LOL! When I buy a new set I’ll get the new Version.. probably still give you blisters if you don’t wear dive boots! Nova means no go in Mexico lol. But I will get a pair of nova blue fins! Alec you and Kevin are Awesome!
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
No Go?? I didn't;'t know that. Not the best name for a product in the Latn market. I think you'll like them John. Alec
@seikibrian8641
@seikibrian8641 5 лет назад
I had a pair of Scubapro Jet Fins back in the '70s, and I liked them a lot. Now I have a pair of Scubapro Seawing Novas, and I like them a lot. If my LDS had carried a version in red I would have got that, but since they didn't I bought basic black; black goes well with just about any wetsuit or drysuit, right? The Seawings are the most-expensive fins I've ever bought, but back when I bought my Jet Fins they were the most expensive fins I'd bought. The more things change, the more they stay the same as the saying goes.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Yep! Thanks Brain. Alec
@edersongalula6039
@edersongalula6039 2 года назад
Sir Good Day hoping for Nova Fins as Christmas Gift 😊😅
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 2 года назад
Best of luck because Santa loves divers.
@edersongalula6039
@edersongalula6039 2 года назад
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter I'm hoping for that sir and i would be very happy if it happens. ❤️❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
@richardmorholt1175
@richardmorholt1175 4 года назад
Good stuff.
@ChristopherBurgert
@ChristopherBurgert 5 лет назад
I bought my Nova fins 3 years ago, because I kept on getting leg cramps, and I haven't gotten leg cramps since I bought the Nova fins.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Sounds like they are perfect for you. Alec
@ChristopherBurgert
@ChristopherBurgert 5 лет назад
I'll never use another fin.
@petethehandyman9185
@petethehandyman9185 5 лет назад
Good video sir, I had a pair of jet fins,back in the day, I couldn’t wear them, too narrow a foot pocket for my wide feet. I ended up with full foot fins That fit and are comfortable.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
You're right. As good as the Rocket/Jets were at one time, the foot pocket was always a joke. Alec
@amcaesar
@amcaesar 5 лет назад
Always an evergreen topic, Alec. Add my name to list of happy SeaWing owners, for certain.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
I can tell that you use Novas - the smile gave you away. Alec
@alaind831
@alaind831 5 лет назад
Bought Nova after seeing your first video and all I can is whoaaa. Had the luxury to try 4 fins in a controlled environment (all geared up in deep pool doing 50m laps) and those were the best/least effort. I hunt so I need to cover a lot of ground. Love they are neutral/float even with my drysuit. Seen many friend loose heavy fins sink to bottom. Light for travel too
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
I tried to use every new fin before we chose them to sell. I've clearly used a lot of different fins. The Nova sure seemed to stand out. Alec
@andrecandrade
@andrecandrade 5 лет назад
So Alec, so why tech divers only use jet fins? Better for caves and wrecks?
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Fad. Alec
@maxkryuchkov210
@maxkryuchkov210 4 месяца назад
Beautiful review! That is definitely what I was looking for! (: Respect and subscribed!
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 4 месяца назад
Thanks for the sub! A
@jonathanchadwickartsandadv712
@jonathanchadwickartsandadv712 3 года назад
I have scuba pro fins from the 90s... it's kinda like an older version of the scubapro fins you showed... I love them... I have jet fins too.. I don't like those to much. Another fin I really like for snorkeling and diving in the pool is a scuba pro open toe fin, really comfortable! They remind me the old Voit fins and sea hunt.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
Vintage gear is fun but not always as comfortable or powerful as today's products. Still they are nice to dive.
@Finthefish-hr8ky
@Finthefish-hr8ky 5 лет назад
My scubapro gorillaz rock
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Nice fins for sure. Alec
@mrausma92
@mrausma92 Год назад
Fabulous to get your perspective Mr Peirce. Saw it after I picked up a set of USED Apeks RK3s, but before my ‘check out dive’ with them. The RK3s were intended to be at least an alternative, worst case back-up, to my SuperNova Gorillas for drysuit diving. I do have large old drysuit boots (original AquaLung Fusion/Whites), that I would like to not replace. But, the boot gets super-suction-stuck in the SuperNovas at the end of a dive. So far, just dove RK3 only with wetsuit-not dry. I am favoring the RK3s-more mobility, control of movement, easier frog kick. intend to do more testing, including timed swim/snorkel. May end up using both!
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Год назад
Good to have fins for specific diving, cold/warm. I used rocket fins for decades until my calfs said 'enough'. A
@vmartinez71
@vmartinez71 Год назад
I would not be caught dead wearing a Seawing Nova
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Год назад
If you're happy with your gear, wonderful. We are so luck to have so many choices in quality scuba gear to pick from. FYI, I used jet/rocket fins when they first came out for many decades. In my 60's my feet hurt and I tested lots of fins and found the Seawings a blessing on my aching calfs. Enjoy what you're using today but time will likely change you mind as 'old man' syndrome catches up. Take care and dive safe. A
@europana7
@europana7 2 года назад
US Divers Turtle fins are great for wrecks … love the maneuverability, however, I like the power I get from scuba pro Seawing for strong currents in regular open water non-overhead environments.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 2 года назад
It is nice to have so many choices in gear selection, if you can afford it. A.
@rachelwilson8177
@rachelwilson8177 2 года назад
Hey Alec, I am a proper mermaid when swimming without a tank but am really missing surface skills to swim in current to the boat 200 meters with dive gear (and catch bag). Can you give some tips on how to scuba surface swim?
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 2 года назад
Some skills are to be as buoyant as possible, go face down with a snorkel or on your back as taught in open water. Maybe the key is set a swim pace and keep at it. Or do what I do, hang on to Kevin's tank. A.
@alexgrigore2007
@alexgrigore2007 4 года назад
Very good video. Thank you. I was looking for a pair of fins for this season in Egipt and I was comparing Seanova and Scubapro go sport. But it is obvious from this video what to choose :).
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 4 года назад
Having used Jet fins since they first came out, I understand why some divers believe they are perfect for everyone but the Seanova's are light, powerful and comfortable. Wanted to give new divers the confidence to try both to decide not buy what a buddy or store recommends. Alec
@gasparhoms5221
@gasparhoms5221 4 года назад
scubapro did not invent the jetfin, it was invented by Georges Beuchat in France. But I agree with you, the new scubapro fins are a great improvement, maibe the first really relevant in the past 60 years.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 4 года назад
Thanks Gaspar.
@MrPouHan
@MrPouHan 3 года назад
Great review. I dive with the old school (read archaic) Jetfins barefoot in warm water (Turtles dry). The biggest drawback I found was the shear weight - both when traveling and diving. Without booties, they sink like bricks making it difficult to dive head down. They do offer these anchors in a new color (yellow) though. I just don't understand they didn't bother to make it in a lighter modern material.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
I don't know either. Today you have softer, lighter material, but still divers of any age, like their Jetfins. Maybe that's why some divers still use tables vs computers. Thanks for watching.
@5minmusic
@5minmusic Год назад
they are fast, they are special... but try to turn with them and and try to swim backwards when needed... worst fins I ever had those alien looking scubapros ... sad truth
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Год назад
We are lucky to have so much great gear to test until we find our perfect fit. Glad you like your pick. A
@Zainab-nv9df
@Zainab-nv9df 4 года назад
Hey Alec, Very handy vid!, I have a question that I couldn't seem to find an answer to anywhere online and was hoping you'd help :), do bright coloured or white fins make a difference underwater other than visibility? would white fins attract fish or sharks?
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 4 года назад
Thousands of dollars have been spent trying to find a color or design (stripes, spots, etc) that would repel or at least not attract sharks. No luck. I wear white fins and love them. My wife and I can be seen for miles! (or a long ways anyways). They seem more visible than Hi-Vis yellow or pink or any other color. Alec
@lennygermany1507
@lennygermany1507 5 лет назад
Hey Alec , been a while since i commented on your terriffic videos :) , The Old School Jet Fins are offered in various Cam and Pastel Colours over here in Europe , with a further Hole in the Blade :-o !!!!! apparently for hanging them up , to dry and not become a Museum Display , ;) I do admit i love my Mares quattro,s been in the North and Red Sea, Lakes Pools and caverns with em and against the odds , am still alive and " kicking " ;) Keep up the great work SIr Greetings Lenny
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Thanks for your comments and support Lennie. Thiose Quattros have been around almost as long as Jets! take care. Alec
@lennygermany1507
@lennygermany1507 5 лет назад
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter you would know that better than me sir , but also great to see as you expected , so much sh.. getting stirred up with emotions , just cos , this is , that is ,maybe , better :D
@sxavier8684
@sxavier8684 2 года назад
Thank you! I actually have a pair of rocket fins that I was issued in the Navy. I was planning on taking them to Cozumel after a 20 year hiatus from diving! Now I'm sold on getting a new pair of fins!
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 2 года назад
I believe your feet will thank you. A.
@NotEvenOnce
@NotEvenOnce 2 года назад
I actually drive a Volvo 244 from 1976
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 2 года назад
Cool. They can last forever. A.
@NotEvenOnce
@NotEvenOnce 2 года назад
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter They are built like a tank 👍👍
@lupusdeum3894
@lupusdeum3894 2 года назад
@@NotEvenOnce The Selfish police that drove the called them "tractors"! LOL. 🤿🐳
@kevclements8724
@kevclements8724 5 лет назад
I tried a pair of fins from the dive club just for comparison, oh boy was I warn out my legs felt like jelly. I actually use seawing novas and if I had the air I suppose I could dive all day, I don’t know they are on they are so effortless. It maybe me but seawing suits me perfect best investment I made, and would recommend anyone to try.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
It's not really fair to criticize something if you've never tried it. But, some divers are so sold on "their" fin, that they can't even consider changing. It's 2019 for gosh sakes! Take care Kev. Alec
@kevclements8724
@kevclements8724 5 лет назад
Alec Peirce Scuba I was saying how good the seawing novas are compared to other fins, wasn’t criticising.
@davidsanderson7948
@davidsanderson7948 Год назад
Supernova
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Год назад
My calfs say yes also. A
@rainheltloehrich5757
@rainheltloehrich5757 5 лет назад
Hi Alec, my wife and I dive the nova. The only problem (especially for women) is, that it actually floats or has positive buoyancy. That is kind of tricky, if you dive only with integrated weights. Can be solved by little food weights...
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Ladies always seem to suffer from 'light feet'. The Nova is supposed to be neutral although it can feel positive if you are used to a heavy fin. I often suggest to lady divers that they consider trying ankle weights. Most find it really helps. Alec
@alisonho3724
@alisonho3724 5 лет назад
I had a similar experience the first few dives with my novas too. I am a tiny cold water diver (5'5",
@BoxerDogs
@BoxerDogs 3 года назад
If you are trying on a set of fins, should your heel be sticking out a bit compared to the bottom of the fins, or should be bottom of the fins (below your heel) extend beyond your heels?
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
The fin heel should not extend past the foot but that is just one consideration. Does the fin pocket fit snug inside? Not loose or tight on the toe or sides? Comfort is the measure of a good fin fit even if the heel extends a bit. Not everyone has Kevin size 13 wide feet and doesn't need fins!
@magiclarry7688
@magiclarry7688 5 лет назад
I own many pairs of fins. I like the Force Fin but for the life of me I don’t know why it works at all. It is thin, short and flimsy yet it works. The latest ones I got are the twin jets and I like them as well as the Force Fins.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Lots of fins to try Larry. When I started diving there were 2 fins for scuba divers - Duck Feet and Churchills. Alec
@magiclarry7688
@magiclarry7688 5 лет назад
Alec Peirce Scuba I wanted to try the force fins because “that is what the navy seals use”....... if that isn’t the dumbest reason. I feel pretty silly.
@gee4526
@gee4526 5 лет назад
I think the price of the Nova Fin deters a lot of divers from this work of art, but if you consider that this piece of gear will probably last the rest of your diving career, and the comfort that it affords, not to mention the effort and air consumption that can also be saved, you will find the Nova Fin to be a worthwhile investment.
@Penofhell
@Penofhell 5 лет назад
Main issue is they do not last a long time. There are a slew of reports from users that the hinge of the fin tends to crack, they made some changes to the new nova model but it IS inherently a more fragile design than most other fins. Another argument to be made is that most people who are really into diving and diving gear will use frog kick, not flutter kick. I have yet to see that this fin is measurably better at frog kicking than a traditional rigid fin... It sure is lighter than most rigid fins and more efficient at frog kicking than most standard fins, but for me these fins looks more like a compromise than a solution for the advanced diver.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Compromise? Hmmm. I don't see that myself. The vast majority of divers use the flutter kick. Best or not, it is the standard kick for swimmers, snorkellers and scuba divers. As for the Nova not being as good for the Frog kick, I don't know. I can't Frog kick and most negative comments have come from die-hard Jet fin owners who I can pretty much guess have not tried to Frog kick with Novas. There's no practical reason why they wouldn't work equally well, if not better. Their shape and size is virtually the same. Thanks for watching. Alec
@joakimdiver1120
@joakimdiver1120 5 лет назад
Hi Alec. Diving in Sweden/Scandinavia usually means diving with a drysuit and then I recommed heavier rubber fins(personal choice) such as the Scubapro jetfin or simular. Still, I would LOVE to try the seawing nova-s but in a wet suit;) the jetfins are also avaiable in different colors- the blue cammo is awsome:) Take care! / Joakim
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
I put yellow racing stripes on mine. It didn't make them faster unfortunately, but it looked cool. Alec
@alisonho3724
@alisonho3724 5 лет назад
I am a tiny cold water drysuit diver so the novas works absolutely fine for me, but my instructors swears by their seawing gorillas that are a little stiffer so maybe give that a try?
@terencecallaghan8719
@terencecallaghan8719 5 лет назад
I tried jet fins and found them too heavy and uncomfortable. I much prefer my Oceanic viper fins. Nice and light but pretty strong. Thanks Alec, great video!
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
The Viper is a great, modern fin. It's actually a new take on the much older Mares Avanti fin that featured rubber inserts that supposedly trap the water and channel it off the tip of the fin. Take care. Alec
@haveUSPwilltravel
@haveUSPwilltravel 5 лет назад
Terence Callaghan I have a pair of OMS Slipstreams, love them. Same design as a Jet Fin, but barely negative. Not mentioned in the video is durability, compactness and maneuverability. This is why I like this style of fin. I choose the OMS because I dive wet. Take a compact fin into tight places such as wrecks, etc. and the difference is very apparent. Since Alec made the vehicle analogy, I'll make one too. A sea wing nova is like a nice sedan. Gets good mileage and is comfortable. The jet fin type is more like a truck or a jeep. Alec is making the comparison assuming everyone is driving on the highway(open water). Both are capable of doing such, one is better specifically to the task. Many feel that jet types are much better for overhead dives (off road). I would agree. Can you commute in a lifted mudder truck? Yup, gonna be a rougher ride that requires more gas. Can your Camry hang in the slick rock and mud? Probably not the best choice. It's all about picking the tool for the job. Either way, video was a success, it created entertainment, clicks and fun discussion.
@calumthomson4328
@calumthomson4328 5 лет назад
Any tips on how to put a set suit on easier if you are by yourself
@cliffpereira4280
@cliffpereira4280 Год назад
i think the the short foot pocket is the best feature of the jetfin. It's been around for sixty years for a good reason.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter Год назад
I loved them for decades until my calfs said enough old man. Diving now I want my buddy to tow me!!! A
@Ken-vl4wk
@Ken-vl4wk 5 лет назад
Cave divers, please chill. Use whatever you want. You are 0.01% of all divers out there. This channel is for rec divers. 😂
@imbodie
@imbodie 5 лет назад
Cave diving has generally lead the recreational realm.... Yes you can thank caving diving for the BCD!!! And this video is biased to ScubaPro so there is that.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
Hmmm. 1. I'm not sure if I read the comment correctly or not. "Cave diving has generally lead the recreational realm" If you mean that cave diving has introduced some gear and technique modifications that have influenced rec diving, I'd agree. But I suspect that ALL cave divers started as rec divers. No one ever walked into one of many dive shops and said, "I want to be a cave diver!" 2. Scubapro makes particularly good gear and has done so for almost 60 years. They are one of the few companies that still designs, test and produces their own equipment. Plus they have been, in my experience, very good at backing up their products. But, I'm not "biased" to Scubapro. You'd be hard-pressed to find another Scubapro product in any of my videos. I like the Nova fin. It is, however, the only piece of Scubapro gear that I own and use. It's not fair to slough off my opinion, suggesting that it is invalid, because I'm 'biased'. Perhaps it is you who is biased, but your opinion is welcome. Thanks for watching and for your comments. Alec
@stayros42481
@stayros42481 4 года назад
Hello Alec. Nice video! I really want your opinion. I am working at fish farms 6 day the week and I am diving about one hour and half. The seac propulsion I own are killing my legs!!! On summer I dive wetsuit and winter dry. Do you believe that they will be ok for my job? Do you think it will have duration through time? I am doing about 300 dives per year. I am also looking the apex rk3. What is your opinion? Thank you!
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 4 года назад
I could give my option but that does not matter as its your legs that need some comfort. Suggest visiting your local dive shop and if they have a pool or pool night, ask to try 2 or 3 candidate fins. Be scientific and do 2 slow finning only pool lengths. Rest and try another pair. Use the same kick style and stroke and by the end you should feel if one style is more comfortable than another. An alternate is to borrow different fin models and try at work for a day each. Hope this helps. Alec
@stayros42481
@stayros42481 4 года назад
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter thank you for your answer. Unfortunately there is no dive store around here. So I can not try. I have to buy the fins... So if you can suggest me I would appreciate it. Thanks for your time. 😀
@DaveSupTT
@DaveSupTT 3 года назад
Fantastic video, really enjoyed your opinions of the two fins. Ive currently got Apeks Rk3, which I find great most of the time. I dive mainly in the UK with a drysuit. How do you think the nova's compare to the Rk3? The last few dives I've done I've started to suffer from a bit of calf cramping, so was thinking of changing my fin. Would love to get your thoughts on the rk3 against the novas if you get chance to reply. thanks
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
I know the Sea Nova's really well and used Jetfin's since the late 50's. Never used the Rk3's but they look very similar to Jetfin's in the foot pocket and would therefore have the same comfort issues. Watch my video S11E05 Fitting A Fin Properly, for points on comfort and see how the Rk3 measures up. If you can, try the Nova's in a pool with the Rk3 and see how they feel after 2-3 lengths of constant finning. That is a better test than just others opinions. Thanks for watching David.
@DaveSupTT
@DaveSupTT 3 года назад
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter well after your review, I've bit the bullet today and splashed some cash and purchased a pair of the sea nova 2's. Ill still keep the rk3 for Wrecks I think what with them being shorter. But can't wait to try them out!
@nathanparry8315
@nathanparry8315 5 лет назад
When diving in the UK with 7mm semi dry. I need the heavier fin along with ankle weights to help my trim. Otherwise I'll be upside down.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
The single advantage to the old rubber fins - they are heavy. Take care Nathan. Di and I love the UK. Visited 4 times. My Dad was from Kent. Take care. Alec
@nathanparry8315
@nathanparry8315 5 лет назад
@@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter be sure to try and dive in my home town of Falmouth! Water is a bit cold but it's good diving!
@stayros42481
@stayros42481 3 года назад
Hello!! scubapro seawing nova fits ok to drysuit with bolt boots??? Thank you.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 3 года назад
All I can say is try them on will all your dry suit gear to get the right fit. Some dry divers use rock boots which add a size, so don't buy until you test them. Take care.
@kendallgray477
@kendallgray477 2 года назад
The Jetfin was first and sold as the Beuchat Tarzan Jetfin for only one year, 1964. I have a pair. The US Divers Rocket Fin was shortly after. The Rockets did not have tapered vents like the Jetfins so there was no "turbo effect". Scubapro bought the Jetfin design from the inventor Georges Beuchat in 1964. I wonder if I could sell my Tarzan Jetfins to a museum. I think they would still work but were always near impossible to adjust the footstraps. They are 56 years old! Myself I'm not a believer of putting, vents, splits, or holes of any sort in fins. It just doesn't make any intuitive sense to me, but I could be wrong.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 2 года назад
Scuba fins are like women, all are beautiful but only one is a perfect match to you. Thanks for watching Kendall. A.
@oldd8004
@oldd8004 2 года назад
I am still using the original Beuchat Tarzan Jetfins (full foot pocket). Made a few attempts/tries to replace them with anything available on the current market. No luck - no fins make me as comfortable under water as those old ones. However, yes, I absolutely agree that foot pocket could be improved during these almost sixty years.
@rustysamblack
@rustysamblack 5 лет назад
Hi Alec! Great video! I use the jet fins but you've convinced me that I need to change. What are your thoughts on the new Scubapo Go Sport fins as compared to the Seawing Nova? I do like the more compact size of the Go Sport.
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter
@AlecPeirceScuba_SeaHunter 5 лет назад
I think if you compare the Go Sport to the Nova you'll find there's precious little difference in size. The Go Sport is a very standard design like many others on the market - good fin but nothing outstanding. It certainly does NOT have the high-efficiency features that make the Nova so special. Cough up the extra money Rusty. I'm sure you won't be unhappy. Alec
@rustysamblack
@rustysamblack 5 лет назад
Will do sir!
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