@@tangerine_9627 she said it during after the first battle with raiden about how a past can Change a future, I'm not saying she actually can change the future but her single decision can do lots of a of things. Like everytime a butterfly flaps it's wings it creates a hurricane.
I feel like klee will be taken out easily if they sneak attack/trick her. She is young and naive, also lack experiences. If someone crush her head with claymore/slash her/stab her/shot her, there is nothing she can do about it, she is slow coz of the bag, she probably dunno how to dodge or learn any martial art. She have extremely strong raw power (coz of the bomb) but low physical strength. if she fighting with intelligent being, i feel like she would be destroyed hard if no one cover her.
@@poophead8188 damn that's too...gruesome. I think Kaeya, Jean, or Albedo will still protect Klee even though they're enemies in the war cause they promised Klee's mom, Alice, that they'll take care of Klee.
The bow team would win without even fighting because Venti would just use his wind to spy and forge some letters that will cause an inter-team conflict and plant false information. Nobody would suspect him.
I'm thinking mona would predict the jade chambers destruction and teleport everyone away to dragonspine, and once other team finds and approaches them they would have klee release a gigantic avalanche by bombing the mountain.
@@juveline8162 You're vastly overplaying Mona. Yes, she can scry, but she still isn't omniscient. She can sense someone's intent and strength on sight like when she first met Scaramouche, but she hasn't shown to be able to tell their specific abilities, so I doubt she would know Xiao can hear them strategize.
yea lol, like canonically Beidou smuggled people into a locked nation without getting caught and Diluc was high ranking in the knights of favonious and is now in the high ranks of a secret underground intelligence organization lmao. Apparently he's so good at it ppl forget its even a part of his lore lmao
true but the question is will anyone listen to them? chongyun and noelle maybe but itto xinyan eula all have very strong personalities and might not agree or agree and then doing smting else sayu/razor will probably do as their supposed to assuming they understand/stay awake also i doubt beidou and diluc could agree on one strategy so you end up with 2 leaders fighting chongyun trying to do what beidou says noelle trying to do what diluc says without pissing off the leader they're not listening to 3 loose cannons and 2 people not understanding the brief
@@hailice4286 yea there will be a lot of inner conflict since beidou prefers to be reckless while diluc seems to be more confident and stealth. While itto will be giving the worst plans and fight when diluc or beidpu disagrees
In terms of weapons only I think Bows will win considering how every 5 star bow is atleast A+ tier If not S. Edit: I was talking about bow as 'weapons' not 'characters'. But now that I think of it both the 5-star bows and bow-characters are top tier(aloy being the only exception, but everyone pretends she doesn't exist so it's fine)
For me personally I think… Polearms will be in 1st place, with xiao, zhongli, and shenhe being the MVPs. I mean like xiao kills for a living, zhongli is an archon, and shenhe is extremely op, with or without the red ropes. Bows will be in 2nd place, with venti and ganyu being the MVPs. others like sara may have some war experience but they just aren’t as strong as others. btw im not allowing childe to use his water swords things catalysts are in 3rd with almost everyone being an MVP. klee has reshaped storm-something mountain with their bombs, mona can predict the future, and etc. swords are in 4th place with literally everyone having skills. it’s not that they’re bad, it’s just that there are others better. and claymores are in 5th. beidou, diluc, and eula are the MVPs, but I just don’t know if they can win against the others. diluc and eula have trouble working with others, and yes while beidou has defeated a god thing on her own without a vision, idk if they can beat everyone else.
I think a lot people forget that xiao would not be able to help his team due to the fact of his karma, if he uses his full power he will go out of control since Venti will not be helping him
His karmic debt only affects mortals(so far in lore) , so it doesn't affect Zhongli and also Shenhe has been training with the adpeti so PERSONAL hc, I think karmic debt has slower effect on her but I am not sure about. And if you talking about just him wearing the mask as "full power" than your wrong, its stated in his character story that if he ever go full power, mortals that are close to him would be lucky to survive the ordeal so I don't think he would ever use his full power
And its because he didn't go full power that make his karmic debt unstable, its because he was fighting dusk till dawn that time, so if he takes break in between and not fight for a while, Venti or traveller is not needed to help him in anything
Honestly i feel like its either bow team or polearm team, cuz of the archons, and because the bow team is very complete, and the polearm has many strong people( yall this is my opinion btw, pls dont take it seriously):)
Tbh, the bow team is far from the catalyst team. Some things that they failed to mention is that Ningguang has power comparable to the adepti, Yanfei is half-adeptus, and Kokomi is supposedly a dragon.
@@ancor4149 The polearm is much more powerful than catalysts by a long shot, but the bow team is mostly canonically weaker except Venti and Childe, and Venti is by far the weakest archon
Sword - Close range Claymore - Area attack Polearm - Piercing attack Bow - Long range Catalyst - All ranges So it’s likely that they are all equivalently strong. But possibly, it could even be a tie to a team but I think Catalyst would fall first. (Since it’s a book type wep and most of the Catalyst heals)
However you have to take into consideration that because most of the catalyst users are healers, they can keep healing. And them being able to attack all ranges is very useful. Here is a character analysis that most of it was already mentioned in the video but still: Kokomi - strategising and providing healing, she also seems to be quite strong in the lore and has experience war several times Ningguang - strategising as well and also has the jade chamber to use to their advantage Mona - Can literally see the future, teleport and help the catalyst team to plan everything Lisa - Very intelligent and can also help with the strategising. I also can see if she gets serious she will be able to do big dmg Klee - Bomb kid Sucrose - Not sure how she could help but if she’s able to use the anemo hypostasis experiment thing she uses and other objects created from alchemy to their advantage, I can see her being helpful Yanfei - Not sure how she could help ngl, if she somehow is able to use the law to their advantage or maybe just help in combat and strategising Barbara - Healing Yae miko - Help do damage The only scenario I can think of that they may fall first is if 1. Mona does not agree to looking into the future 2. Klee doesn’t want to injure people so she doesn’t help 3. They somehow get into a argument 4. Lisa is lazy 5. Yae miko is lazy
@@luliisafish i think you're overestimating mona's foresight ability. foresight doesn't matter if you cant do anything about whats going to happen. Even healing won't save them if zhongli dropped a meteor on them or xiao teleported up there and happened to be in a bad mood.
Diluc and Kaeya are on equal footing but I feel like diluc brute forces and kaeya thinks. Both work in their favor though however there's no archons on their team, and diluc has beidou, Eula, chongus, razor. Kaeya only has albedo (who I'm not fully sure is that skilled in combat), jean, and kamisato clan... That's it. I guess kazuha to.
Diluc canonically fought several harbingers at the same time, can wield a delusion, is insanely smart, and has access to a lot of alchohol and mora in lore. Not saying zhongli is weak, but diluc hard carries claymore team in lore
Am I The Only One That Thinks That The Sword Team Will Win... I Mean They Got The Protagonist So They Have The Strongest Armor Possible... The Plot Armor Also What If When Put Into A Dire Situation Aether Unlocks His Light Powers Back Or Becomes An Avatar With Plot Armor I Think It'll Nullify Bennett's Bad Luck To Some Extent Albedo And Kaeya Are Tied To Khaenriah... We All Know How OP Albedo Is And Since The Jade Chamber And Alcor Are Allowed... Then Susbedo Can Be A Part Of This Mess And Also Kaeya Looks Like He Has Some Ties With Dainsleif. Also If Qiqi Unleashes Her Sealed Adeptus Power And All Of Them Are Capable Fighters Then There's A Chance That They Can Beat Everybody.
The Traveler’s Luck completely nullifies Bennet’s Bad Luck furthermore he’s the most powerful out the sword users and the most versatile character in the game and for each element he gain power second to the archon of each element and their mastery over them as well but he can use all of them simultaneously making him one of the most powerful characters in the game and as for durability he, well how do I say it…ah yes; completely insane, the destruction of space time could even scratch him and he also spars with Ei and takes multiple hits from Musou no Hitotachi and gets back up. Furthermore with his versatility he can charge up the other’s burst quickly with electro, provide shields and high advantages with Geo and crowd control elemental and resistance shred with Anemo. Since they also have Albedo he could summon tons of monsters just by drawing them. They also have Jean who can heal the others at a rapid pace.
@@jinn8233 But wouldnt shenhe, xiao, and zhongli still have some ties with traveler? We saw them speak to traveler, and they seem to be more open to traveler than other people. Shenhe, treats other coldly same with Xiao, but shenhe would resolve with murder, instead xiao would resolve with "bye im outta here". Then, when its about traveler, xiao doesnt go away and shenhe seems sweeter. Zhongli made traveler pay, do stuff for traveler, so there might be some kind of "regret" in between killing your friend.
Suggestion: Would the vision holders be able to beat their archon? So basically like all the vision holders in mondstadt vs current power Venti and etc
Depends really, if Venti is bloodlusted he can definitely do it Since Venti is near omnipotent, as he was able to know that Mona is trying to read his past despite him not actually ever knowing about Mona, he's also quite agile meaning he can teleport away whenever someone tries to sneak attack him The only one who'll logically stand a chance is Xiao but I'm sure even he cannot kill Venti
I think Bow deserves to be 2nd instead of 3rd, Mona CAN predict the future, but its said if she depends on it too much, she will use her ability to do it. Plus she cannot predict the future of Venti And even tho Childe can't hold his form, he still took out multiple ruin guards, And Ganyu is trained by Xiao
@Aadikar Bhandari hmm not sure if this would work lorewise but gameplay wise kokomi’s jellyfish could probably still heal while they’re immobile, same with barbara’s skill. they would just be getting heals while they’re frozen. but i guess in the lore that might not work? 🤔
@@kazuhasdeadfriend191 She actually has. That's why she is always at the church and when people get hurt they go to her. Be it Bennet, Jean or any of the adventurers.
even tho polearm characters are strong i think catalyst will becuz 1.ningguang will drop the jade chamber on the polearm team just like wath happen to osial which would lot of destruction dmg( and also the world is just a copy so she wont worry that much) 2and becuz mona can see future she would prbably know the right time 3and even zhongli sheild is strong there might only few survivor i think this becuz osial did not survive the drop so theres a slight chace that polearm team would survive
1.Ningguang dropping the jade chamber will probably do more harm to the team than the enemy.Since it will take a while to drop and it won’t be as powerful as the traveler is the one that made it powerful alongside the adepti. 2.Mona still only have human reaction speed so any of the top tier character could beat since they are to fast for mona to teleport out of. Also she can only read the future of vision users, so non vision users like venti, zhong li, traveler she can’t read them for some reason(Check mona voice when she tried to read venti future) 3. Just like i said osial only died because the traveler powered the jade chamber alongside the adepti. Plus zhong li can still seal/defeat osial but he will have a much harder time.
Lmao people overestimate the Jade Chamber. You do realize Xiao can teleport himself and anyone he's touching, right? He could just grab onto as many people in the team and teleport out of the way, or just grab the Jade Chamber and teleport it to a far off place, drop it there, and teleport away. And his speed is insane too.
I feel like bow becuse venti could make a wind current to the jade chamber and let all of his team go and defeat the catalyst even if they did know it was gonna happen them having an archon and ganyu and having lots of people with fighting experience on the team would probably scare them off
But if the polearm team destroys the jade chamber at the start of the Game (cuz practically all the characters of their team is from liyue) wouldn't that put the catalyst team at the last place?
@@boiledpizza3038 that will only be possible if either zhongli or xiao doesnt decimate their entire team in a second (i.e by using zhonglis meteor or xiaos extreme speed slashes)
remember guy zhongli is still strong af even before he get his gnosis so he still gonna be able to summon hundred if not thousand of meteorites from the sky.gnosis just buff the power he already have and make him able to create mora
In my opinion I think that bows should be 2nd place, Keep in mind, they do have Venti, who's an archon, which means Mona may predict the Future but she most likely wont be able to stop Venti. Bows team also does have Ganyu, whom in the lore, can apparently transform into A GIANT goat/Qilin. (It was shown in cutscenes too)
Now with the release of sumeru, polearm definitely has the strongest team by far. Candance is a shielded as well as a skilled fighter and Cyno literally gets possessed by a divine spirit/god in his burst. Combine that with Xiao, Shenhe, and Zhongli’s experience in battle then Cyno would join those three in carrying the team (to be fair I haven’t played the sumeru archon quest yet this is information I found on random social media so I could very well be wrong)
The Traveler’s Luck completely nullifies Bennet’s Bad Luck furthermore he’s the most powerful out the sword users and the most versatile character in the game and for each element he gain power second to the archon of each element and their mastery over them as well but he can use all of them simultaneously making him one of the most powerful characters in the game and as for durability he, well how do I say it…ah yes; completely insane, the destruction of space time could even scratch him and he also spars with Ei and takes multiple hits from Musou no Hitotachi and gets back up. Furthermore with his versatility he can charge up the other’s burst quickly with electro, provide shields and high advantages with Geo and crowd control elemental and resistance shred with Anemo. Now do I have to also mention that they can jump up hundreds of meters in the air and hundreds of meters across but if take physics into account then it might make the traveler even more overpowered, especially when considering what would happen if a punch that can create an earthquake had the combined velocity of a F5 tornado and a lightning bolt and considering that they probably won’t be any air resistance since they have Anemo and all of the attacks came from all directions. Also they can use multiple different weapons including a bow so they have even more advantages now and that mean they’re technically a polearm user which would just make the line up for polearm users even more broken.
Yae Miko is 500 years old, she wasn't around during the archon war. Even still, Xiao was there, too. Zhongli was there, too. Venti was there, too. Ganyu was there, too. Polearms win
@@ikuas3881 i agree with you, mona cannot read the future of visionless yet still can use elemental power people so if zhongli decided to get xiao to teleport him above the jade chamber, one meteor and the entire team gone
for sure catalyst will win, what they lack in strength they gain in strategy. they have the jade chamber to hide and rest in while strategizing. klee has very powerful bombs and can explode the other members with lots of damage. kokomi and mona can work together to find the perfect strategy. yanfei is half adeptus so that will certainly help her in combat even if she isn't the strongest. lisa knows a lot of secrets and that may help kokomi and mona as well. ningguang can bribe the opponents and if that doesn't work she can make the jade chamber fall on them. sucrose has knowledge of alchemy and will be able to summon mini anemo hypostases. and barbara can heal her teammates very efficiently and will work as a nurse. yae miko can summon her powerful kitsune and youkai spirits that have fought in the war in inazuma and are very experienced.
The main problem is that one attack from a Xiao, Zhongli or a Venti would most likely instantly kill most if not all of them. They can't exactly strategize for something as unpredictable as Xiao, since he can move instantaneously, and they're also at an insane disadvantage for not having any archons or adepti fighters. I love Yanfei, am a Yanfei main, but lore wise, she's just a lawyer with antlers. The only way for them to win is by using leaks, so Spoilers If we are counting leaks and Scaramouche is part of the team, then they have a fighting chance.
@@ikuas3881 Agreed. The fact that both Xiao and Zhongli both have thousands of years of experience in the Archon War is just straight up a clear win for polearm wielders.
@@ikuas3881 I don't think Scaramouche will even give them a chance, cause Yae could easily destroy him, she even said that herself. But she didn't cause he's not all that. Also, Xiao's mask may keep him contained due to it's "Curse" So I think, even if Xiao's that strong, he would be laid back by his curse.
@@pussywillow642 Even with that disadvantage Xiao is a lot stronger and more skilled than most of the catalyst users combined, and I and not even counting Zhongli or Venti.
@@pussywillow642 The thing with Yae was an obvious bluff. She says that she had Scaramouche "On his knees and begging for her to let him go" when in reality all she did was give him the gnosis. "How else was I supposed to make him leave?" Scaramouche is on par if not stronger than the Raiden Shogun puppet. He's crazy strong. As for Xiao's curse, people don't understand that this man uses his power all day, and while he does feel the consequences, it rarely ever happens that he can't fight anymore. We only know of one such time.
even if the jade chacber got destroyed mona could just have teleported them out of there and to another high place like the high liyue place also shenhe would proboly wont be able to hit the jade chamber cuz the jade chamber will be above land so shenhe cant just macigly freze it also ningnuag could also have added a future where it can go up very higher into the sky
@@rexlapis4726 Xiao said that he would aid the traveler whenever, he just has to hear his name. Meaning Xiao can hear anything anywhere and teleport anywhere. There's no competition, the Jade Chamber is useless. He can quite literally just teleport the team to a different region, because we know he can teleport people with him.
I think that in the Claymore Team Diluc would try and make a plan. After what i saw in the Darkknight Hero or what it is called he`s pretty good at making a plan out of random stuff and could use the tactic with the slimes again even though Kaeya would prob prepare for something like that if they know that Dilucs making the plans.
I feel like catalyst have the biggest advantage- They can teleport with the weapon, do mental, physical, and elemental damage, can easily avoid attacks and won't even need to worry about getting hit since they can attack from far distances, even so if a opponent were to come close half of them can see the future and move out the way.
Nah, I’d still think the catalyst team would win. Mona is a literally knows the future with zero mistakes, although she can’t see venti or zhongli, venti by himself wouldn’t be that difficult to deal with if Lisa had to unleash her true potential (if we see by lore), plus if their strategy doesn’t work or zhongli summons his meteor, mona can just teleport everyone to some other place like guizhong ballista or dragonspine, and she would just know when xiao would teleport directly to the place, and then yea miko is way too smart and probably as strong as xiao, so she would probably deal with him easily through her cunning traps. Then kokomi would probably strategically find a better high ground again in that location and then stick to the original plan. Plus, sucrose can summon hybrids and dangerous beings, with the support of Klee she can do catastrophic reactions, so they will never be outnumbered. If team members still receive some damage, Barbara and kokomi would just heal them again. Yanfei is adeptus too so that helps. You see? Almost everyone in that team has a great contribution to give, and they probably have the best and most number of brains in all three nations. But again, this all excludes ei. So still not sure who would win.
I would love to see this video concept again after the other 4 nation get release. Would be cool to see Catalyst Team with Dendro and Cryo Archon fighting again Polearm Team with Geo and Electro Archon. (Also I think Heizou being more of physical fighter in Catalyst Team would help in some points)
Zhongli is only weaker than his prime, which was when he had his Gnosis. There is nothing that imply that he is weaker than in the Archon War. In fact, multiple voice lines states that he is getting stronger. So even if every character goes against Zhongli except Raiden, he would easily win.
I think you should add some a little bit of story in the video like gorou and kojou sara wouldn't cooperate because there enemies so its gonna make them weaker or something like that
I think catalysts would win, although they may be weak. Strategy is most important, and saying that they have 2 healers (one of them being one of the best healers) it could boost them by far in durability and potentially stamina. Also don’t forget Lisa graduated in sumeru at top of her school which indicates that she has a supremely high IQ which boosts their strategic thoughts and just makes other teams more confused as into the fact that catalyst users could intentionally make a very complicated plan to just completely fumble and confuse other teams to deceive them into offends against other teams then making them fighting against each-other and leaving the catalysts being the victors easily. (This is just my suspection)
I actually would rank them like this team polearms 1st Team bows 2nd Team catalysts 3rd Ans I would keep the other teams at the same ranks I feel like if vint boy through a black hole near the jade chamber he can gather all the characters on the jade chamber so the jade chamber would be useless and their best chance of surviving is if mona teleport them away but that also will make the jade chamber useless even tartag , ganyu can destroy it tartag by using his form ganyu with her Q and her rpgs
3:28 that furious Treasure Hoarder with wood paddle the stupidest human ever existed, Ganyu is here... but he literally smacking the air and turn left.. even Itto is smarter than him 🧠🧠
I liked your opinions but at 8:37 and 8:44 and 8:53 like you said but mona can see the future so before xiao teleports there mona can teleport them faster or when shenhe trys ayaka’s burst mona can see the future and teleport jade chamber and others more high place so i think catalyst team will win
Definitely between bow team and catalyst team. They have some of the most powerful characters in the lore (venti, yae miko, ganyu, klee) and they're the most well balanced in all regards. Catalysts have the edge in strategy and bows have the power and range advantage. So I think it'd be the bow users that win
I think I’d go either of the long range weapon teams. Both have highly intelligent members, healers, a wide range of general skills and pretty decent outside resources. They both could very well pick off other teams from a distance and they’re both likely to make good use of the interactions between elements. Which would triumph over the other though, I just couldn’t say.
Haven't finished, but I'm betting Sword since they have a lot of good members, and traveler can use 3 elements at once, and is extremely broken. The downside, is that best boy Bennett's luck is so bad, it bends reality to manifest rocks that hit him
