Dan Patrick and the Danettes discuss which hall of famers and future hall of famers have had disappointing careers compared to their original projections/expectations
Harper definitely hasn't had a disappointing career. Barring injury, he most likely reaches 500 home runs, and may win a third MVP. He's also been the best player on a pennant-winning team (I know not a WS-winning team, but still very impressive) and has proven to be a solid player in the postseason. The amount of pressure on him as a teenager was a lot, and for him not to crumble under it is very impressive. A bunch of great Hall of Famers never won a WS, including his contemporary, Mike Trout, who may never win one.
Trout and Ohtani combined haven't gotten the Angels to the post season, let alone the World Series. For them it seems to be pitching (sans Ohtani, who is exceptional) that is their weakness. o
He definitely has not had a disappointing career, but if Arod is going to get hammered for choking then Harper should too. Last year against the Astros and this year against the Dbacks he wasn't very good.
@@baronvonnembles Yes he has. Barry Bonds never won a world series. Does that mean he hasn't met expectations. Baseball is a team game. You're only as good as the next guy.
That's a tremendous pick, and of course, hockey goes overlooked. To be called the next Great One and live up to the expectations without being a physical presence is absurd.
I watched Yao's entire career. He was way more VERY GOOD then HOF great. HOF worthy is making numerous all-nba teams, being a perennial MVP candidate, being considered one of the best players of your era if not generation etc. Yao Ming was never on THAT level. He was a 2nd tier star. He was not Shaq or Duncan's level. And Bill Walton was the unquestioned best player on the only Portland Blazer team to ever win an NBA title. A healthy Bill Walton was just greater than any healthy version of Yao.
@@Chalk89 I'm really not missing the point. I'm saying that is completely ridiculous and illogical to say Yao was a disappointment but Walton wasn't based on expectations. Yao's career was cut short due to injuries, just like Walton's. But Dan was flat out clueless with his opinion.
I am not exactly sure how Bryce Harper is a disappointment. He is a two time NL MVP and made one of the biggest plays in Phillies history to take his team to the World Series. The Nats didn't trade him, he signed in Philly as a free agent. Also, Harper's career isn't over. I think you would be hard pressed to convince Nats or Phillies fans that Bryce hasn't lived up to the hype and has not been a disappointment.
As dan stated the media made it seemed like he was the next lebron James of the MLB and as mentioned he finished 2x in MVP voting in his first in ten years and a average .280 that’s pretty average. So the production didn’t quite meet the expectations
@@markfennell1604 - Yeah but comparing NBA to MLB is problematic to begin with. Also winning 2 MVP awards in your first 10 years is not average. LeBron also didn't start winning titles until he started getting better players around him. He did take an average Cleveland team to the NBA Finals where they lost pretty easily. Again, Harper's career isn't over yet. He could still win a title and that seems like the thing they are focused in on as far as disappointing careers. Just a weird conversation. Dan Marino had a great career but never won a title. Was he a disappointment? I don't think so and certainly didn't think that when I watched him play. These are team sports so you need to be on a good team to win. One player can't do it alone in the NBA and certainly not in MLB.
@@nates9029 also winning MVP in baseball is way easier because they have two MVPs 1 in AL 1 in NL whereas in football and basketball there’s only 1 MVP.
Agree with the initial thread sentiments - Bryce might have choked the other night, in game 7, but he's no disappointment ... And calling 2 MVP awards and averaging .280 "DISAPPOINTING" is crazy af. 🙄 Dude's a stud ... Also don't forget post season stats.
Yao Ming did NOT have a HOF career. I don’t even believe he quite played at a HOF level. He was very good and made a bunch of all-star teams mainly because of the Chinese fan base. Very good player at his best but ultimately a bit overhyped.
The Naismith hall of fame isn’t just for what you did in the NBA. Yao played very well in 3 Olympics and in China before the NBA. I agree he didn’t do enough during his NBA career but his body of work does.
@@wesyoung9150That’s the biggest reason why the NBA needs its own Hall of Fame just like the NFL and Major league Baseball. It’s too many guys that had good to average NBA Careers that ended up in the basketball HOF just because of their international or college credits. It just diminishes the whole legitimacy of making it in.
@@Riles3152 I agree they need to be separate. They group in women’s players/coaches, announcers, owners. To me that takes away the accomplishments of the NBA players.
@@keen7 Is this suppose to offend me?? NONE of them deserve to be in the HOF then 😭 It should be the highest standards to get in, otherwise just call it "The Hall Of Fame AND Very Good" Still doesn't change the overwhelming evidence that Yao Ming was not more than "Very Good" as an NBA player. With all due respect to him.
Ken Griffey Jr. might be a disappointment. Injuries aside, that 1997 season with the Mariners feels like the closest he got to a ring. I'd include Tracy McGrady, Dan Marino, Chris Webber, and Grant Hill to the conversation, as well.
At his best Griffey was arguably if not outright the best player in baseball, who played on highly talented but ultimately underachieving Mariners teams in the mid-late 90's. Not sure how he was a disappointment when he had almost a 100% vote into the MLB HOF. That's almost unheard of for that sport. Also, Grant Hill 100% didn't reach his potential because of knee injuries. The other names I can understand.
@Riles3152 Good point. I think the injuries are what I tend to remember about Griffey's latter career. I put him in the same category as LeBron in terms of his potential coming into the league. But there is no doubt he is one of the greats.
Dan, u get paid well to know about sports. Harper wasn't traded to the Phillies, he signed like a 13 year , 300 million dollar contract as a free agent. Jesus dude.
I was NFL bound until them Sebring Lightning bolt boys took out my knees in the Heartland Championship game of the 7th grade Junior high school round of 64 in 1997. Them good ole days as the running back for them Hardee Junior High Wildcats.
**My 2¢:** 🤔💭I disagree w/ Dan's #BryceHarper take ... Although he did choke in game 7 yesterday, by leaving all those base runners stranded, in the total scheme of things, he's no disappointment and has lived up to the hype. Just no 🏆 [yet.]
It doesn’t happen often. One player can carry a team in baseball. In 2002, Barry bonds almost won the giants a World Series by himself. He went god mode and took them to the 7th game against the angels.
What? I'd say it is the opposite. Often the best players in the Majors are on terrible teams. You don't see that in basketball. If you have a superstar you are generally at least guaranteed a playoff spot. Mike Trout is one of if not the best baseball player of the last decade and he has only made the playoff once(9 years ago). The Giants were good in 02, but Barry's 73 home run season they didn't make the playoffs. Mark Maquire's 70 home run season they didn't make the playoffs. Arod missed the playoffs every year in Texas despite being a machine and mvp. One guy doesn't cut it.
Ken Griffey Jr has 630 home runs, and you could still rightfully say "What might have been". If he hadn't played in that concrete outfield in Cincinatti, his health may have held up, and he could have beaten Bonds on the HR chase. And he did it all without even looking at steroids. Somehow a guy who is probably a Top 10-15 player all time, still somehow had a disappointing career.
On a whim I decided to grab a player and compare his stats to Yao Ming. I wanted to choose the same era, similar style (not a heavy three point shooter). I went with Elton Brand. Now, Brand had a long career, spanned 16 seasons. However, comparing the first seven years of their careers, Elton Brand is the better player across the board... PPG - Brand 20.3, Yao 19.1 TRB - Brand 10.4, Yao 9.3 APG - Brand 2.6, Yao 1.6 BLK - Brand 2.1, Yao 1.9 And minutes per game, Brand played 38 while Yao played 32. I don't want to dog on Yao, but the fact that Elton Brand is even remotely comparable is wild and points to the obvious, the NBA HOF is not anything remotely close to what the selection process is for the NFL, MLB.
Dan Lebron insanely underachieved. The expectation was he was going to win 6 titles faster than Michael Jordan. Instead he lost 6 championships and still hasn't won 6.
I agree. Lebron has had a great career, but not as great as he makes himself out to be. If it was just the media doing it, that would be one thing, but LeBron is leading the charge to proclaim his all time greatness. Plus he's a petty pathological liar.
This could have been so much better. They should have looked at a list of all the HOFers and picked the ones that stood out. There are many more that are disappointing. They mailed this one in.
Eric Lindros comes to mind. Hall of Famer but not an all time great. Was supposed to be a true legend, ended up having a very good career but could be called a disappointment
I look at Wembanyama and I see Ralph Sampson. Same height and same string bean build. Even looks like him a bit in the face. Unless he bulks up I don't see him lasting in the NBA.
Yao Ming had injuries too. You can't say Walton didn't live up because of injuries and then insult Yao Ming who had a short career for the same reason.
A baseball player not winning a World Series isn't an indictment, but in the case of Bryce Harper, his inability to elevate his play is obvious. Last year against the Houston Astros he hit .200 and against the Arizona Diamondbacks in the NLCS he hit .217. Hard to imagine that we'd talk about him in the same breath as superstars who have postseason success.
I can't listen to the Asian hate here. Dan defending Shawn Bradley over Yao Ming. His team acknowledges injuries were the main reason that kept him down, but he refuses to accept that as an excuse. Yet only a few seconds later, he defends Bill Walton over the same thing: Injuries. You gotta be kidding me.
I never thought to look at Dan Marino's stats critically, he retired before I understood the game, what I was even watching. But, after looking at his postseason stats, quite atrocious. He threw 32 touchdowns, 24 interceptions and completed under 60% of his passes.
Dan must be having revisionist history or losing his mind Tom Brady did not go to a really good team and nobody thought Bill Belichick was anything close to a hall of fame coach at that point. The Patriots were last in their division the year before they drafted Brady and they finished 5-11 his rookie season before he took over they were poised to win anything before he became the starter.
Sorry LeBron did not over achieve, he did what he was suppose too do, given the diluted NBA league, less talent then 80's, 90's, early 2000's, at 6'8" and 260 lbs he should, sorry Dan your wrong, LeBron is not in my top 10 best NBA player because of competition
Dan is really let down by his supporting cast here. Maybe it's IQ deficiency. Let's say someone with Harper's expectations winds up with EXACTLY the same numbers as Andre Dawson, then he would be both HOF worthy and a disappointment. I don't know why that is difficult to understand.
I’m sorry…Bryce Harper a disappointment? How? By what measurement? Guy has won 2 MVP’s, on pace for 500 HR’s, is in the prime of his career, was one game away from making it to back-to-back World Series and was the main reason the Nationals had the team to win the World Series. He will most likely end up with the most HR’s in postseason history, win at least 1 World Series and win another 1-2 more MVP’s. Dan…as is becoming more frequent lately…you’re way off the mark here
He has played horribly in the big series - Astros .200, Diamondbacks .217. Also, How was Bryce 'the reason the Nationals had the team to win the world series?' Lastly, four active players have more postseason home runs than him and they aren't old guys who will be exiting the game anytime soon. He has 16 home runs in 49 games, at that rate, he'd have to really turn it on to do so.
LeBron overachieved ? 😂 he lost more than he won Losing 6. Finals take a you out automatically. He's the G.L.O.A.T. GREATES LOSER OF ALL TIME !!!!😂. DAN got this one wrong. He's a homer.
Why doesn’t the media like to acknowledge that LeBron James stacks his teams or goes to Stockton whenever he can. Sorry you can’t be considered one of the greatest players ever and constantly play on stacked teams, and not to mention, he played most of his career in the Eastern conference that had the weakest teams in the league for ever. Yeah, he came out west and won in a bubble year, but he hasn’t even sniffed it since. Sorry the truth can hurt.
I used to hold it against him (the Super team, stacking teams) but that's the NBA success model right now. I couldn't imagine him making it out of the second round if he tried to run it back with that old Cavs team that had lost to Orlando.
